Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

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"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone
reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT.
Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and
I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

FA = FOR AUCTION

"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message
.. .
Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone
reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT.
Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and
I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

Speaking of Ebay and shipping, It is terrible the number of complaints I get
from customers regarding the way their shipment arrive at destination in the
USA. the envelopes are opened,the boxes ripped open , the contents damaged
or missing. US Customs really do a great job on even small 6 X 6 bubble
shipping envelopes. They are ****ing Paranoid scumbags if you ask me.
I receive shipments from the states that are literally intact yet inspected
by Canada customs agents.
Years ago I use to sent clothing and food items in Russia to friends we
knew. Even they received those packages intact and they lived in a communist
block country.
So I dont think that Ebay are the only ones that think they are GOD. The
lunatics at the US border have a serious ego problem also if you ask me.

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"Dan Conti" wrote in message
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d


I've advertised FAs here just recently, my auctions weren't cancelled.
I'm wondering if somehow, "maybe" someone sent E-Bay - the non tech
wizards they are, a notice that perhaps your scanner was modified or
whatever, to make them think it was illegal????? Just a thought. I've
seen other FAs in here as well, none of them complained of having their
auctions cut short.

Good thought. I was thinking the same thing. We all know it is impossible
for the 796D to be continuous coverage or modded, but eBay will go by
whatever someone tells them.

This is why I can't wait to see their response.

The ONLY auction "I" had cut short, was a "linear" I was auctioning off -
listed as NOT working, the finals pulled, for parts. I listed it I
believe for 10 meters, yet they pulled it. No big deal... But they've
never pulled my auctions for posting FA.

If NO NE dropped a dime to them about you posting FA, they will never
bother you. DO you really think eBay scours the newsgroups for
violations? They turn a blind eye until someone makes a complaint, then
they have to act.


IF you have suspects in mind, I suggest you take it up with them. Why
turn vigilante against the whole group?

I have A suspect in mind, but can never prove it. eBay will not turn over
the info on the complainant.

No vigilante, just making sure that what was good for Goose Dan, is good
for the gander.

You can thank the no-life asshole among you for it...

Dan

cl

thanks

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"cl" wrote in message
.verio.net...
FA = FOR AUCTION

"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message
.. .
Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks

--
" Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. "
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...

Hi Dan,

I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays
reasoning
for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups?

They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They
are GOD,
Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of
it.

It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay
was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about
it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA
postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to
eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until
someone reports it?

Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a
RAT. Not at al something to be proud of.
So WTB and FS
are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right?

I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the
newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts
in a shortwave group OK? and on and on?

I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year
and I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my
ISP.

Amazing.


Thanks

Mike Burch K8MB

I'll tell you guys, that really tickles my funny bone. First off a
"contract" can be formed between two individuals without even signing a
written paper.The basic act of demand and offer constitutes a "contract".
Ebay, although an American based company, operates in Canada, thus being
under the common law ruling and consumer laws. If it can be reached from
Quebec , it also falls under the Civil Code which is very clear on the
matter of cancellation of contracts. What Ebay has basically done is breach
a legally formed contract between two individuals , regardless of the items
or nature of the contract, and has literaly stepped in acting as third party
and cancelled the contract without the consentment of the parties.
That is a NO NO in any court of law. I think it's about time that people
begin voicing out the abuse from this company who freely enfringe on foreign
laws, use and culture.
I am convinced that a simple complaint to your local Consumer advocate
requesting an investigation will force Ebay to justify their act. Since
1994, Cyberspace and cybermarketing and exchanges are now integral to all
Laws in Canada and Quebec. Ebay is no exception.
I'm not trying to show off here mind you, I studied law a few years ago.
Thanks

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"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...

"Ed" wrote in message
. 93.175...


I will re-post it
on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the
newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap.



I'd be interested in seeing that particular rule.... if you would please
provide a link. It doesn't seem logical to me that EBay would prohibit
the
advertising of their own auction on other sites, when such advertising
can
only further EBay's chance of increased profits through the EBay sale
going
as high as possible.



Ed

I've advertised FAs here just recently, my auctions weren't cancelled. I'm
wondering if somehow, "maybe" someone sent E-Bay - the non tech wizards
they are, a notice that perhaps your scanner was modified or whatever, to
make them think it was illegal????? Just a thought. I've seen other FAs in
here as well, none of them complained of having their auctions cut short.

The ONLY auction "I" had cut short, was a "linear" I was auctioning off -
listed as NOT working, the finals pulled, for parts. I listed it I believe
for 10 meters, yet they pulled it. No big deal... But they've never pulled
my auctions for posting FA.

IF you have suspects in mind, I suggest you take it up with them. Why turn
vigilante against the whole group?

cl

"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...
DeWayne wrote:

think they're GOD,


As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they?


Yep

Ebay kind of reminds me of Microsoft. Hopefully MS will have some hot
competition one of these days!

Sorry for budding in Dan, But what you say is very true about Ebay. I
recently posted a switch key for sale and the bids were going great until
Ebay pulled the rug from under me removing the add saying that the key I was
selling received complaints from "certain " people and that it was still in
use today...blah blah blah. Who the hell does Ebay think they are ? The
authorities watch dog ?

Sorry to hear about it. Isn't it a sick, sinking feeling when an
auction you are running is suddenly yanked?

At least you were given a reason.

I have now sent in THREE inquiries asking why the listing was removed,
with NO response from eBay.

Apparently they are arrogant now that they remove your auction and don't
even tell you why.

Christ I pay at least 200$ a month in advertising not to mention the
substantial "cuts" Paypal takes off MY earnings.
Needless to say that I for one am very ****ed also and especially sickened
by the abusive Capitalistic Tyrant ways Ebay demonstrates. TOO BAD we dont
have other options as popular as FleaBay.

Someone else will invent a better mousetrap, make a billion bucks and
get as big and arrogant as ePAY. It's a vicious cycle.

Dan

"Ad Hoc Guy" sputtered incoherently in
:

I'll tell you guys, that really tickles my funny bone. First off
a "contract" can be formed between two individuals without even
signing a written paper.The basic act of demand and offer
constitutes a "contract".


Demand and offer don't make a contract in any sense of the word.

contract:
An agreement between persons which obliges each party to do or not to
do a certain thing. Technically, a valid contract requires an offer
and an acceptance of that offer, and, in common law countries,
consideration.
www.duhaime.org/dictionary/dict-c.htm

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You have no right to be here
And whether you can hear it or not,
the Universe is laughing behind your back

"Five-eleven's your height, one-ninety your weight
You cash in your chips around page ninety-eight."

Isnt Amazon.com a competitor to Ebay ? or is it a flop ?

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"DeWayne" wrote in message
...

"Dan Conti" wrote in message
...
DeWayne wrote:

think they're GOD,


As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they?


Yep

Ebay kind of reminds me of Microsoft. Hopefully MS will have some hot
competition one of these days!

Sky,
We had a case recently where a girl and a guy were transfering funds back
and forth to earn air mile points with their credit card. Ebay spied on her
and cut off her ACCOUNT. Yet there is a serious LOOPHOLE in this consumer
point earnings on Ebay and Paypal.. She had her boyfriend open an account
and they are at it again, transfering $500 back and forth and earning
points....makes me smile,
"laws are made to be broken,contoured and ridiculed" That's what it's all
about....

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"Sky King" wrote in message
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Hey Dan, if you post to newsgroups, do one at a time, that is not
considered spamming.
Also, If you read the ebay rules on newsgroups they don't want you to
advertise ebay on the groups.
You are just using FA for your own personal auction and not promoting
ebay.
Also, it says ebay will not take any action if somebody else posted your
auction, or if they can't confirm
an e-mail address that is not registered with ebay. Many people do look
at the auctions listed FA: on the groups.
Some people are cry babies, some with potty mouths who bitch about it.
These people should use their filters so
they won't see anything with FA:.
A friend of mine that uses ebay posted his auction on the groups a few
months ago. Now, he ran into a cry baby and said he complained to ebay.
Well that auction went on.
This jerk used a false e-mail address to post thinking he was safe. As
my buddy said to him on the newsgroups (which the baby spammed) YOU has
been reported to
to your provider. He told them this guy is causing trouble on the groups
and is spamming and using a made up address.
The newsgroup moderators don't take kind to that.
Guess what? My buddy posted more auctions and the "baby rat" was never
heard from again. My buddy assumed that his own provider banned him since
he never posted again. Seems it does not pay to be a schmuck!

Dan Conti wrote:

eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the
internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services of
it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who
think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least).

eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from
it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send
them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they,
they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more
about THAT later...

I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also
made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT
NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what
the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US
capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as
far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding
an item TOO HIGH.

The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my
scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened,
never used scanner.

But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice......

***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer
available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number
correctly.
If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction
canceled***

I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION.

eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far
as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your
auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO
e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far
no response. This is NO WAY to do business.

I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning
bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason....

Other then what I THINK happened.

Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG
dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my
auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can
formulate some potential suspects for yourself.

Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and
hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because
someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks
more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT *******
Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm.

Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight
FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is
unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on
eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups,
not even rec.radio.swap.

However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting
ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the
rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale
newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by
eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it.

Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading.

Dan