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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
From: an old freind on Tues, Aug 22 2006 4:16 pm
K4YZ wrote: an old freind wrote: K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge Robeson or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help Get help for what? well a pro needs to way but Id say meglomanina paranoia, pathological lying for starts Give up on Robesin, Mark. He MUST remain "right" and He "must" rule. He isn't interested in civility. Once an "enemy" of his, always an enemy in his mind. Sick way to be but he is that way, repeatedly. He just proved it in the message you replied to. He is setting the example for all hams. Not going to help the amateur ranks in getting more hams but that is not, apparently, his point. Robesin needs to come out on TOP in his own mind, be chieftan, be the warlord. He also wants rec.radio.amateur. policy all his own to do with as he sees fit. [probably to have his daily fits in...] Ech... but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues Absolutely true, Mark. He tries to belittle his "enemies" so that He looks good. Problem is, it is working in reverse and he is only belittling himself. |
Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
But there's nothing to prevent people who appreciate and love the language of Morse, the way it sings, its universality, its beauty, from continuing to use it way into the future. It is the beauty of Morse, in plain English, never mind the abbreviations, which boy scouts and others who show an interest should be taught to appreciate. ---- Reg, G4FGQ I completely agree with you N2UBP |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I agree.
rb wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:19:25 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Um.... you know, just saying "I agree" would have been a lot simpler and saved you 2 pages of typing.... LOL. rb len likes to carry on as is his right http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Possibly, because try as I might, I can't really remember much about that day.... I had pyloric stenosis, if that counts? So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Now that's true... I'd require a CW setup of some kind in order to send my name; or anything else for that matter. Or as previously pointed out, hack up a headphone jack and tippy tap the wires together. Either way, I don't see my life depending on it at any time, so I'll just let my CW skills continue to rust. However; your argument does make me wonder how non-hams even have a chance at life in this world... ?? Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. BTW, I noticed you conveniently left out the specific year in which said burning boat was offshore with an obsolete CW outfit, and how your CW expertise put out a fire.... but I'm guessing we're talking many a year ago, so again, a moot point. Actually, The boat thing in general is really killing me... If these numb-nuts are offshore and not on the correct USCG freqs and/or unaware of how to properly tune their radios in an emergency, then it isn't CW saving lives, it's the grace of God that somebody happened to be on their freq at that time. But again, what boats are out there with a CW rig???? That's crazy, bubba. :-) rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:10:08 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Well there ya have it folks.... 50wpm saves lives. So how does it work? Turn up the speaker really loud and place it [face down] on the person's chest, while an op in South America tapped out universally accepted words that would mimic an atrioventricular rhythm? Did someone drop you on your head at birth? wy wouldyou ask that did someone drop you on yours? No, but when I'm confronted with TOTAL stupidity, it's a possible explanotion for it. The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. a date when was the last Ham Morse saved a life at any speed car and drive down to the local EMS agency, and bring them to you. Life saved! I'm impressed. rb So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. I can send anything I like the proof of that is before you I have a pc Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. good for you I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). ok you have a date for that I'll accept it as a life saved by CW if you do http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ Not an exact date, though it's probably in the archives of the Canadian Coast Guard, my employer at the time. Hey, I worked at Halifax Coast Guard radio from 1977 until 1995, 18 years at the one station. We handled a number of SOS calls on CW and were able to save lives some of the time (not always. alas). But with trained operators on both ends of the signal path, CW was pretty much always an easier go than SSB. And SITOR was pretty much a joke. Half the ships couldn't get it going. INMARSAT is what put CW out of business in the marine industry. And a nasty solar flare or two could put INMARSAT out of business. You pays your money and you takes your chances. I'm not sure that a ship equipped with a complex satellite radio with a lot of moving parts and a technician is all that much better off than a ship was when they were equipped with an MF-HF CW and SSB radio station and a radio operator who was also a trained technician. All is well until something breaks and the nearest part is 500 miles away over water. CW was still in use for a some ship-to-shore work when I retired in 1995. When I went to the high arctic in 1964 it was our main means of communication with the south. We eventually converted that to RTTY and SSB, but neither was really as effective as the CW that preceded. Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:1o2Hg.19713$Te.3938@trnddc07:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Possibly, because try as I might, I can't really remember much about that day.... I had pyloric stenosis, if that counts? So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Now that's true... I'd require a CW setup of some kind in order to send my name; or anything else for that matter. Or as previously pointed out, hack up a headphone jack and tippy tap the wires together. Either way, I don't see my life depending on it at any time, so I'll just let my CW skills continue to rust. However; your argument does make me wonder how non-hams even have a chance at life in this world... ?? Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. My point is, my bad Spanish might not have recognized the word "fuego" if it was spoken fast among a lot of other words. But on CW it came across loud and clear. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Except you'll be a lot slower because you'll need phonetic spellings for everything. Believe me, I know. I've done this. For a living for many years. BTW, I noticed you conveniently left out the specific year in which said burning boat was offshore with an obsolete CW outfit, and how your CW expertise put out a fire.... but I'm guessing we're talking many a year ago, so again, a moot point. Not that long ago, really. Early 1990's if I remember. Actually, The boat thing in general is really killing me... If these numb-nuts are offshore and not on the correct USCG freqs and/or unaware of how to properly tune their radios in an emergency, then it isn't CW saving lives, it's the grace of God that somebody happened to be on their freq at that time. But again, what boats are out there with a CW rig???? That's crazy, bubba. :-) rb This was on 500khz (and 484). CW was the mode of operation on those frequencies until well into the 90's. Cheap SSB radios were plentiful. So were some SITOR lashups. But what finally killed it was INMARSAT. So now, instead of getting nailed by solar flares on HF, you get nailed by them on INMARSAT and have to wait 6 to 9 months for a new launch. Meanwhile you're limping along on SSB using a phonetic alphabet to send traffic at a SLOWER rate. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 59... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . .. [snip] Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31. Dee, N8UZE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 59... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. I do that firaly well as long as it is a a langauge fro gruop I know I can take down serbian in crylllic even though I don't what they are saying it is simply a skill For that matter I hear and resend Morse as long as I don't try to decipher it As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. YOU can and you then claim that you have that skill it is valid your values in the ARS refuse to accept that notion different strokes for different folks If instead of CW testng we had a choice a various tests to take that would stand muster the current value Morse well outside of it value withut even realy testing its abilty to do a QSO were the test based sending and receiveing where the receiveing could send bak pse senf all after ... and before what then take a test to show that he was able to comincate the test would have more vailiity but it doesn't the CW tests do noy even show that the testee can use CW over the air |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. In another recent post, Robesin keeps referring to a "CV." That's an acronym for the Latin 'curriculum vitae,' a list of life experiences (education, work experience). Maybe he meant "constant velocity" as in "CV joints" because he's always "spun up" about one thing or another. He tries to "spin" his claims to be the truth. Still no evidence presented. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. Spanish words are easy to write even if one doesn't understand them. In general, unlike English, there is usually only one possible way to pronounce and to spell a Spanish word. You hear "a-di-os". You write a-d-i-o-s. You don't need to know what it means. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
wrote: wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. The ARRL is trying to soften their image - the latest QST shows a person using a, gulp, microphone on the FRONT cover! Good grief! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! It may be for some. Just inside is yet another article on building a code key - from a door hinge. Oh, goody...HIGH TECH construction article. They didn't mention wether you should use oil or conductive grease on the hinge. Would they follow that with another article on the door itself? Like, I mean, making the door a jar? :-) Wow! We almost leaped from a door hinge to a jar head. Ahem...my reference was the old fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes." :-) That's the one where a full-of-himself ruler ordered some new clothes and the tailor buttered him up (while not sewing any new clothes) so much that the Emperor bought into this pandering to his ego and appeared in public with his "new clothes" (he was naked). Needless to say, the public laughed and laughed at this ridiculous spectacle. :-) Robeson has been all full of himself in here about his alleged "USMC service" yet he has presented zero-point-zero evidence from anyone else (or any legitimate agency) that he ever served on active USMC duty for any of his claimed "18 years." Even though he NOW thinks of himself AS the amateur radio service personified (anything against him is somehow against ALL radio amateurs), he is still parodying the "Emperor." This just in from The ARRL Letter, Vol. 25, No. 33, August 18, 2006 "ARRL First Vice President Kay Craigie, N3KN, represented the League at the Global Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Conference 2006." "Craigie stressed that Amateur Radio needs to avoid "being dazzled by our own press clippings into thinking that we are the big dog in emergency telecommunications."" She refers to robesin-like attitudes within the ARS. Oh. My. God. ! ! ! Tsk, just because NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, ESPN, and PBS haven't covered the tremendously fantastic wonderfullest huge contribution to saving lives and property via ham radio? Gosh, there are all sorts of clippings from obscure weekly and biweekly newspapers dutifully cut-and-pasted into messages here from Robesin & Co. And probably at least as credible as the rest of the news they carry. Maybe I'll have to write the Department of Defense and say that "Major" Robesin said that radio amateurs run MARS! He did. They should fortwith cease and desist publishing DoD Directives on thinking that they started it and keep running it! They live in a fantasy world. Maybe I missed the "news" on the Home and Garden Channel...I don't watch that much... Right and all the other radio services are switching to morse code for all emergency communications a la ham radio The American Public would sue them for slow service and wrongful deaths. ...the sky has truly fallen! The other shoe would drop. didit! Dahdah comrade. :-) bb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 02:32:01 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. Spanish words are easy to write even if one doesn't understand them. Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. In general, unlike English, there is usually only one possible way to pronounce and to spell a Spanish word. You hear "a-di-os". You write a-d-i-o-s. You don't need to know what it means. When it's spoken very quickly and in a panic, it's more like "adhyose". Understandable, if weird looking, to a Spaniard. Try some other languages, though - those you've never heard spoken before. See how well you do. Then see how well you do in CW ... oh, you already know that, don't you? -.-. is the same, whether it's hard, soft or unpronounced. Whether you put a cedilla on it or not, a Spaniard will understand it. So will a Turk, even though it sounds more like - -.-. But would you write "Con" for something that sounds like Tchonn? |
If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
an old fraud wrote: I use him for punching bag hopeing he might give it up Markie, you are everybody's punching bag. did you catch the bit where he claims that he is acting as MY firend I am gald I was not drinking something , i might have choked to death We can only hope you would choke to death...... in a few day weeks or months I will quit this feild signing off here as KB9RQZ/AE That will never happen, you are too stupid to pass the theory tests. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm which is the whole point. If one speaks faster, I may not be able to copy it. If one sends CW to me faster than 13 wpm, for sure I cannot copy it even in English. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm which is the whole point. If one speaks faster, I may not be able to copy it. If one sends CW to me faster than 13 wpm, for sure I cannot copy it even in English. interesting how Al Keeps changing the condictions franticaly trying to make a point -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:52:28 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm
wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. |
If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 8:10 pm
wrote: wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. The ARRL is trying to soften their image - the latest QST shows a person using a, gulp, microphone on the FRONT cover! Good grief! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! It may be for some. I pity the Al-Code-Ah and their absurd zealousness of the old. Just inside is yet another article on building a code key - from a door hinge. Oh, goody...HIGH TECH construction article. They didn't mention wether you should use oil or conductive grease on the hinge. They should use "RF Grease" - same stuff to lower VSWR on feedlines... Would they follow that with another article on the door itself? Like, I mean, making the door a jar? :-) Wow! We almost leaped from a door hinge to a jar head. Oh, my! :-) Now comes the "outrage" from a wanna-be jar head. I was thinking more of the image of Jar-Jar Binks having come to earth in Newington and invading the editors offices of QST. [see the 4th "Star Wars" film to find out who Jar-Jar Binks is and morsemen should quit viewing "Independence Day" for the umpteenth time... :-) ] This just in from The ARRL Letter, Vol. 25, No. 33, August 18, 2006 "ARRL First Vice President Kay Craigie, N3KN, represented the League at the Global Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Conference 2006." "Craigie stressed that Amateur Radio needs to avoid "being dazzled by our own press clippings into thinking that we are the big dog in emergency telecommunications."" She refers to robesin-like attitudes within the ARS. Oh. My. God. ! ! ! Tsk, just because NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, ESPN, and PBS haven't covered the tremendously fantastic wonderfullest huge contribution to saving lives and property via ham radio? Gosh, there are all sorts of clippings from obscure weekly and biweekly newspapers dutifully cut-and-pasted into messages here from Robesin & Co. And probably at least as credible as the rest of the news they carry. Weeklies and bi-weeklies serve their communities okay. It's when their reporters get overly ambitious and start copying copy from other sources when they get into trouble. Maybe I'll have to write the Department of Defense and say that "Major" Robesin said that radio amateurs run MARS! He did. We KNOW Major Dud said that in here over and over and over and over and over and over again, but did he really write DoD? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right and all the other radio services are switching to morse code for all emergency communications a la ham radio The American Public would sue them for slow service and wrongful deaths. Well, the reporting of those civil court cases would be NEW COPY for the papers! Wanna bet that the ARRL would try to spin that off as "good for the ARS?" :-) ...the sky has truly fallen! The other shoe would drop. The end is near... doo-dah, doo-dah... |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. Since I can copy CW at 13 wpm, that seems to be a reasonable comparison. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Well, doggone it, Lennie. Next thing ya know he'll be posting over the callsign of another Amateur. Nope...ya just cain't believe guys like that, can you Len? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? if you get a message in turkish in most of the USA you still have a useless message since where are yo going to find some that read the lang |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I knew a SSgt that was also a Major. When he had on his Major Uniform, he strutted around escorting the JrCAPs to the chow hall to show them how it's really done. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. But he's very visible, with or without that new suit of clothes. Either way, it's bad for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Like kepone at the bottom of the James. Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. So what's the hold up? Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. He never thought that a mere Army or Air Force NCO would know anything about MARS. Very, very unfortunate for him. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Yes. Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? Was that you or Frank that nailed that one? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) There is supposed to be a form of self-afflicted asphyxia but to talk of it wouldn't be polite. Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. Seven hostile actions, I'm told. I can't imagine being short-sheeted 7 times by members of my flight. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Yep. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. So what's the hold up? most likely the fact that some at the FCC wouldlike to plase the ARRL as long as it costs them nothing ut the cpsts are starting to build since NVEC realy needs to know soon what the general license involves so they can write the new pool |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
RLW wrote: wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Well, doggone it, Lennie. Next thing ya know he'll be posting over the callsign of another Amateur. Nope...ya just cain't believe guys like that, can you Len? I don't believe his bs. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
rom: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm
wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-) Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. I don't believe his bs. Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully, that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here now. I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT naming a single military radio that was operational during his alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is classified!" :-) Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military radios operational between the times of those two are easily recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences between families but the same case and general form). The operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick- look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list. Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link lists for other sites that have them. Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear. MARS doesn't normally use such. :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:12:14 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. David's choice was Spanish. My choice was a language one couldn't understand. Pay attention. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. About your lack of content, yes. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:12:14 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. David's choice was Spanish. My choice was a language one couldn't understand. Pay attention. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. About your lack of content, yes. nope your efforts to keep chaning to rules it is tranperant as see though as your cowardly nature |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dee Flint" wrote in
: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . .. [snip] Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31. True, I've never had much success during 2 metere aurora openings with anything BUT CW. It ain't CW by the time it gets to the other end, but it's still readable there. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote in
: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . 159... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:22:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge
wrote: Al Klein wrote in : Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: from: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-) I attended 3 weeks of CWPC training at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. It hosts CAP HQ. Didn't see any CAP uniforms there, either. Odd, though. The new owner of robesin's old vanity callsign, K4CAP, resides in Montgomery, Alabama. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. I don't believe his bs. Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully, that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here now. Some of the whacko Anon's have championed robesin's cause, whatever it might be. I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT naming a single military radio that was operational during his alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is classified!" :-) Scuse me while I blow the pepsi out of my nose. Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military radios operational between the times of those two are easily recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences between families but the same case and general form). The operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick- look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list. Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link lists for other sites that have them. Too much work for robesin. So he just "classified" everything. He was definitely confused by Major Vincent and his key on a necklace. Hah! Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear. MARS doesn't normally use such. :-) If he was involved in MARS, it was probably just to eavesdrop on morale calls from a lonely GI to his wife or girlfriend back home. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. But in what language? ;) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
And ever so slowly we creep up on the *actual* point....
pick a freq, pick a mode, pick a language, pick a moment in time. *Nothing* is perfect and CW or no CW, it's about circumstance, not code. Then again, you can back it up one more and acknowledge the foolishness of the whole CW argument. As it stands, hams are so crazy they somehow think they are the only hope for mankind. I pray that farce never becomes fact! Everything has it's place. Ham radio is a novelty. CW is a novelty within the same. That's all.... As long as there are 40wpm ops out there that can't program a radio, it's just a bunch of ding-dongs arguing amongst each other, looking like a bunch of ding-dongs. And it goes both ways.... no reason to ditch CW but this "my tapper is faster than your tapper" stupidity is just phallic and pathetic. Which finally brings us to the overall problem... As usual, the last word in any hammy hashing is the same. Control freaks needing to feel in control, and the subject matters not. That's why these goofy threads carry on forever. rb "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:1o2Hg.19713$Te.3938@trnddc07: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Possibly, because try as I might, I can't really remember much about that day.... I had pyloric stenosis, if that counts? So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Now that's true... I'd require a CW setup of some kind in order to send my name; or anything else for that matter. Or as previously pointed out, hack up a headphone jack and tippy tap the wires together. Either way, I don't see my life depending on it at any time, so I'll just let my CW skills continue to rust. However; your argument does make me wonder how non-hams even have a chance at life in this world... ?? Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. My point is, my bad Spanish might not have recognized the word "fuego" if it was spoken fast among a lot of other words. But on CW it came across loud and clear. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Except you'll be a lot slower because you'll need phonetic spellings for everything. Believe me, I know. I've done this. For a living for many years. BTW, I noticed you conveniently left out the specific year in which said burning boat was offshore with an obsolete CW outfit, and how your CW expertise put out a fire.... but I'm guessing we're talking many a year ago, so again, a moot point. Not that long ago, really. Early 1990's if I remember. Actually, The boat thing in general is really killing me... If these numb-nuts are offshore and not on the correct USCG freqs and/or unaware of how to properly tune their radios in an emergency, then it isn't CW saving lives, it's the grace of God that somebody happened to be on their freq at that time. But again, what boats are out there with a CW rig???? That's crazy, bubba. :-) rb This was on 500khz (and 484). CW was the mode of operation on those frequencies until well into the 90's. Cheap SSB radios were plentiful. So were some SITOR lashups. But what finally killed it was INMARSAT. So now, instead of getting nailed by solar flares on HF, you get nailed by them on INMARSAT and have to wait 6 to 9 months for a new launch. Meanwhile you're limping along on SSB using a phonetic alphabet to send traffic at a SLOWER rate. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
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