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Woody August 28th 06 11:50 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Sorry... my bad... is it 35 now? I stand corrected.

Back to the chant...

If you can't do 35wpm, you should stay off the bands!!
Seriously people, think about it... do *you* want blood on your hands
because you're a slow-beepin loser?
Lives are on the line, in case you aren't paying attention.

This is serious business and requires a dedication as if it were... your
only purpose.

Unmotivated 25wpm losers need not apply.
rb




"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"Woody" wrote in news:FYqIg.36416$NF3.28742@trnddc05:

And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you
should stay off the bands.


20 is SLOW. But the only way to learn 35 or 40 is to learn 10, 15, 20
etc.
And the best way to do that is get on the bands and DO it instead of
making
rude noises at the people who CAN.

Phonetics on SSB are usually a lot slower than 20wpm, though.


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Woody August 28th 06 11:56 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Hey... you have proof I was dropped?? I've wondered for years as I just
can't remember the day I was born at all.
It kinda annoys me, but hey, I can't remember CW either, so I figure no loss
either way.
rb

Not to stray off-topic or break any rules, but you wouldn't happen to have a
50w VHF Spectra you'd want to sell or trade, would ya?


"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in news:2_qIg.2009$pX3.1822@trnddc07:

Eh? Now you say its ok to be slow? Make up your mind will ya? People

are
dying while you decide!
rb


This gem must've come from the other brain cell. Is that the one that
took the brunt when you were dropped?

"Al Klein" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:22:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge
wrote:

Al Klein wrote in
m:

Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well
enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not.
In CW, you can.

I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER

than
CW.

You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign
language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer
CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most
rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow.




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Woody August 29th 06 12:03 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:

So did your guy die or not?


Which one? You win some, you lose some.


Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread at
all?
CW = Gift of Life.
Fast CW = Hand of God.

It's in the Extra Class manual....

And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right now.
Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal as far as
signal-to-noise goes.


AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!
Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire
Comm-Post pile we're making, and then
people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the
thought!]
rb



Woody August 29th 06 12:17 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
The one that's looking for a VHF 50w Spectra..... hehe...

And I have to ask Dave, [and I mean seriously this time]... You really
aren't defending this thread [in this group] as
an intelligent discussion [or one that should even be here] in the first
place, are you?
rb

Radio Content:
For the acetylcholine-deficient that think I'm really trying to be a part of
this seemingly perpetual, and twisted delusion...
It's a friggin swap group.... Now sit and ponder that for just a minute....


"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"Woody" wrote in news:cfrIg.2016$pX3.1819@trnddc07:


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
wrote:


where did you encounter total stupidity? I missed it I saw someone



Uhhhh...... Start with the OP and read to this point or beyond....


Gee, which of your brain cells thought that one up?



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Woody August 29th 06 12:25 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
LOL.. Now that's what I'm looking for! What else ya got? Let's post each
reply twice from now on, OK?

In other news....

Stay on topic Dave.... the issue is *CW* saves lives,[or results in other
holistic happenings] ok?

I swear I've already explained that to ya...?

We've proven many posts ago that brain cells have nothing to do with ham
radio, this thread or those in it.
My fav site, www.hamsexy.com will explain it all.
rb

radio content:
I think I'd even consider an M1225 in trade, instead of the Spectra.

"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in news:thrIg.2006$XD1.1601@trnddc01:

Good call. Admit nothing, deny everything.

Hey, if you had to use CW to make chicken salad for a starving Latvian,
would that person starve to death?


If you had to use either of your brain cells to think of some way to FEED
a
starving Latvian would that person starve to death?


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Woody August 29th 06 12:29 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Bless you brother, I will indeed make it so.
Thanks for the reply!
rb

Radio content:
M1225 needs to be VHF and 40w, or I can't use it....

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:17:21 GMT, "Woody" wrote:

Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in
reply
to this post....
rb

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Woody August 29th 06 12:31 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Yeah, that was the problem exactly...
so I can stand on the ocean floor and see people inside the boat?
Kewl.
rb

radio content:
So what kinda radio did the boat have? I'd like to find me a nice Micom for
cheap...

wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:
I saw a C-130 fly almost directly over my house last year. Couldn't see
who
was in it though...
rb


The aluminum skin of a C130 is sort of hard to see through. The only
craft that I ever saw with a glass underbelly was a tour boat in
Florida.

But you can rest assured that neither robesin nor the CAP was flying
that C130.




Woody August 29th 06 12:47 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 


Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he
remains
woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it.


Uh, hello.... Looks like perfect qualifications for a management
position.


I like the way you think.


I usually try to avoid thought... it makes my head hurt...



Can't it be factory refurbished?


Funny thing... the stupid NASA Engineers tried to control the thing with
data bursts.... Yes, data bursts!
Can you believe those anti-CW nazis? We'd already be on Pluto if they'd
controlled it with CW.
So, sadly, no.... due to advanced technology, she's been lost....


I thought they were just to cover the beaches so the
Army doesn't get sand in their boots....


Welp, when the AF took the airplanes away from the Army in 1947...


Was it that late? I would've guess more around the late/end of the war...

Well anyway, I was just trying to stir up some jarheads with the
beaches/Army thing...

You wanna swap radios or anything?
rb



[email protected] August 29th 06 12:50 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

Woody wrote:
Yeah, that was the problem exactly...
so I can stand on the ocean floor and see people inside the boat?
Kewl.
rb

radio content:
So what kinda radio did the boat have? I'd like to find me a nice Micom for
cheap...


Only robesin can tell us what kind of radio his craft carried, but even
he doesn't know.


[email protected] August 29th 06 12:58 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

Woody wrote:

Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he
remains
woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it.

Uh, hello.... Looks like perfect qualifications for a management
position.


I like the way you think.


I usually try to avoid thought... it makes my head hurt...


You would have been right at home in the Morse Forever camp about 10
years ago.

Can't it be factory refurbished?


Funny thing... the stupid NASA Engineers tried to control the thing with
data bursts.... Yes, data bursts!
Can you believe those anti-CW nazis? We'd already be on Pluto if they'd
controlled it with CW.
So, sadly, no.... due to advanced technology, she's been lost....


Manual telegraphy? C'mon...

I thought they were just to cover the beaches so the
Army doesn't get sand in their boots....


Welp, when the AF took the airplanes away from the Army in 1947...


Was it that late? I would've guess more around the late/end of the war...


I wasn't there, but that's how the story went.

Well anyway, I was just trying to stir up some jarheads with the
beaches/Army thing...


I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and
again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia.

You wanna swap radios or anything?
rb


Probably not, but there is another group, rec.radio.amateur.equipment,
which is a lot like a hamfest. Except the food is better.


Woody August 29th 06 02:03 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Bummer...
rb

Radio Content:
Well... there is none... I guess I give up.

wrote in message
oups.com...

Woody wrote:
Yeah, that was the problem exactly...
so I can stand on the ocean floor and see people inside the boat?
Kewl.
rb

radio content:
So what kinda radio did the boat have? I'd like to find me a nice Micom
for
cheap...


Only robesin can tell us what kind of radio his craft carried, but even
he doesn't know.




Woody August 29th 06 02:10 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:

Manual telegraphy? C'mon...


You do realize I'm a disgruntled radio swap group, off-topic, post bombing
loser, right?
I'm just thinking this would be a great place for a radio swap group, that's
all.
Everything I say is usually in sarcasm.....just to add stupidity to the
stupidty....
I've given up though and I'm going back to ebay...


I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and
again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia.


Big Ol' Kudos to you bro. Somalians suck. I think there are indeed places
that qualify as Fourth-world countries.
Somalia, Nigeria, etc... LOL..
rb



Woody August 29th 06 02:17 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Good on ya then! Do upgrade whenever you can, coz hammin' can be fun if you
can find a decent bunch to hang with.
Learning 5wpm is pretty easy and gives you a new "toy" or "language" to play
with if you are so inclined.
The big plus being the new privileges and theory, and all the hi-tech
progression in radio going on in the 21st Century!
There's lots to get into.
Gud luck,
rb



wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:38:54 GMT, "Woody" wrote:

Ah, my bad... sry.
rb

np I expect the FCC to help me correct that soon enough
Radio content:
There used to be a radio swap group here....


indeed and all kinds of radio gruops

wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:43 GMT, "Woody" wrote:

Yeah, yoo big chikin. LOL

I dare you to pick up a mic and do a radio test on 3.865
by saying "Beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeep"!

rb
well as a etech I realy should not try that one

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[email protected] August 29th 06 02:38 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

Woody wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:

Manual telegraphy? C'mon...


You do realize I'm a disgruntled radio swap group, off-topic, post bombing
loser, right?
I'm just thinking this would be a great place for a radio swap group, that's
all.
Everything I say is usually in sarcasm.....just to add stupidity to the
stupidty....
I've given up though and I'm going back to ebay...


Alright. List your stuff. Maybe someone is interested.

I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and
again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia.


Big Ol' Kudos to you bro. Somalians suck. I think there are indeed places
that qualify as Fourth-world countries.
Somalia, Nigeria, etc... LOL..
rb


It sucked.

Just got a message on the somalia reflector today. Seems the al qaida
is well liked in somalia because the country has been through 15 years
of chaos and lawlessness, and the islamists are now imposing their law.
I guess any law is better than none.

Reminds me, in part, how hitler came to power.


[email protected] August 29th 06 02:44 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

Woody wrote:
Never ever saw a
CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page


Big blue jumpsuits... never seen anything else...


Robesin's flight suit is sage green. Looks like a real one.

, and a male nurses uniform.


Wanna explain what a male nurses uniform is??


He said it wasn't a dress. Culots, maybe?

Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse?


Wow, that sounds rather condescending....


How else would you describe the best job in the world?

Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got

that 1,000 yard stare.


Yeah, those "real" radio ops really have it tough, don't they? There should
be a reality show called
"Two-Way Trauma: Life in the radio room."

rb


Hah!!! I'm sure he could make up stories. I'm real sure of it.


Dave Oldridge August 29th 06 02:51 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
"Woody" wrote in news:gDKIg.7926$Xl5.5330@trnddc06:


"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:

So did your guy die or not?


Which one? You win some, you lose some.


Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread
at all?
CW = Gift of Life.
Fast CW = Hand of God.


Where did anyone actually say that in this thread?

It's in the Extra Class manual....

And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right
now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal
as far as signal-to-noise goes.


AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!
Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire
Comm-Post pile we're making, and then
people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the
thought!]
rb


Well, at the moment my radio is on 3729 LSB. But it will shortly be on
3652 CW.


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Dave Oldridge August 29th 06 02:52 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
"Woody" wrote in news:2QKIg.7929$Xl5.2566@trnddc06:

The one that's looking for a VHF 50w Spectra..... hehe...

And I have to ask Dave, [and I mean seriously this time]... You really
aren't defending this thread [in this group] as
an intelligent discussion [or one that should even be here] in the
first place, are you?


Nope. It's not about antennas, so that makes it off topic in the group I'm
posting in.


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Woody August 29th 06 02:25 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Excellent point!
?
rb

"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"Woody" wrote in news:gDKIg.7926$Xl5.5330@trnddc06:


"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:

So did your guy die or not?

Which one? You win some, you lose some.


Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread
at all?
CW = Gift of Life.
Fast CW = Hand of God.


Where did anyone actually say that in this thread?

It's in the Extra Class manual....

And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right
now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal
as far as signal-to-noise goes.


AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!
Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire
Comm-Post pile we're making, and then
people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the
thought!]
rb


Well, at the moment my radio is on 3729 LSB. But it will shortly be on
3652 CW.


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ICQ 1800667




Woody August 29th 06 02:38 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
If you'll check the address bar when you reply, you might notice that you're
posting in a swap group, scanner group, policy group, and antenna group....
IOW, you're just as guilty as the rest of us. :-)
rb



"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
9...
"Woody" wrote in news:2QKIg.7929$Xl5.2566@trnddc06:

The one that's looking for a VHF 50w Spectra..... hehe...

And I have to ask Dave, [and I mean seriously this time]... You really
aren't defending this thread [in this group] as
an intelligent discussion [or one that should even be here] in the
first place, are you?


Nope. It's not about antennas, so that makes it off topic in the group
I'm
posting in.


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Woody August 29th 06 02:56 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Who's gonna see a single want ad in 300 postings about nothing?
Who wants to pilfer 300 postings about nothing to find a sale ad?
On the Somalia thing,
Do you mean extremists/terrorists that claim to follow Islam, or just basic
Islamists?
It looks like you mean the former.

Please understand that Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists/extremists, it
doesn't matter what religion they
claim to follow.

rb


wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:

Manual telegraphy? C'mon...


You do realize I'm a disgruntled radio swap group, off-topic, post
bombing
loser, right?
I'm just thinking this would be a great place for a radio swap group,
that's
all.
Everything I say is usually in sarcasm.....just to add stupidity to the
stupidty....
I've given up though and I'm going back to ebay...


Alright. List your stuff. Maybe someone is interested.

I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and
again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia.


Big Ol' Kudos to you bro. Somalians suck. I think there are indeed places
that qualify as Fourth-world countries.
Somalia, Nigeria, etc... LOL..
rb


It sucked.

Just got a message on the somalia reflector today. Seems the al qaida
is well liked in somalia because the country has been through 15 years
of chaos and lawlessness, and the islamists are now imposing their law.
I guess any law is better than none.

Reminds me, in part, how hitler came to power.




[email protected] August 29th 06 04:30 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Woody wrote:
Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb


All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

:-)




[email protected] August 29th 06 04:46 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Woody wrote:
So you guys got sidetracked and missed the CW call so both your guys died.
You are the weakest link.
Goodbye.
rb

wrote in message
oups.com...
rom: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm


"Sidetracked?!?" :-)

I put this message into the Captain ARRL Superpower Decryption
machine and the machine broke down.

Last I looked (which was yesterday) there were NO Public Safety
radio services which used "CW" for either "life-saving" or distress
calls. The USCG doesn't monitor the OLD 500 KHz international
maritime distress and safety frequency any more. International
Civil Aviation Organization long ago stopped any need for carrying
"CW"-proficient air crew on over-ocean flights.

This "vital need" of maintaining a "pool of trained (morsemen)
operators" in the mighty amateur radio (militia?) ranks is a
wigment of olde-tyme morsemen's imagination.

In truth, I haven't checked out the Civil Air Patrol. Maybe they
have some kind of "need" for morsemen even though they use
121.5 MHz for emergencies just like all the CIVIL airways do.
[transponder squawk to 77 or 7700 if that is installed; 243 MHz
if a REAL military aircraft]

We'll have to see what the "pilot in command" of a TN CAP
two-seater has to say on that...if he isn't "busy" with his
"life-saving air patrols." :-)




[email protected] August 30th 06 12:21 AM

If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
 

wrote:
Woody wrote:


Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb


All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

:-)


There's some real gems in there.

Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.

"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people"
do this sort of stuff.

"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.

"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.

"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you
give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.

"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots
and lots of inuendo.

Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says
he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated
by the VA. "Ask the VA."

Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.

Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of
some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not
blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP
volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?

Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.

Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.

Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.

Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't
know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.

A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.

Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.

Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.

I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...

So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like
the way I think.

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.


[email protected] August 30th 06 12:42 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

Woody wrote:

Who's gonna see a single want ad in 300 postings about nothing?


Seinfeld ran for eight years and it was all about nothing. People
cried at the end.

Who wants to pilfer 300 postings about nothing to find a sale ad?
On the Somalia thing,
Do you mean extremists/terrorists that claim to follow Islam, or just basic
Islamists?


Here's one:

""Somali Islamist gunmen undergo military training
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx...ticleid=281612

{EXCERPT} Mail & Guardian Online, South Africa Somalia's dominant
Islamic movement on Tuesday launched intensive military training for
hundreds of its gunmen under a plan to create instruments of
statehood......""

It looks like you mean the former.

Please understand that Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists/extremists, it
doesn't matter what religion they
claim to follow.

rb


Here's another:

""SOMALIA, THE BLACK HOLE OF ANARCHY

BY AHMED Q. BURSALIID

In mid July 2005 The U.S. intelligence agents, working with local
warlords, have carried out counter terrorist operations to seize
sus*pects. "Somalia remains the theatre for a shadowy
confrontation involving local Ji*hadis, foreign Al Qaeda operatives
and in*telligence services from a number of re*gional and
Western countries," says a report by the International Crisis Group
in 2005. The report says the "dirty war be*tween terrorists and
counter-terrorist oper*atives in Mogadishu appears to have
en*tered a new and more vicious stage that threatens to push the
country further towards Jihadism and extremist violence un*less its
root causes are properly addressed."

The Somali transitional federal government was formed in neighbouring
Kenya in 2004 and moved into Somalia June 2005. However, the
administration has failed to relocate to Mogadishu, the Somali capital,
because the city was considered unsafe. Due to the insecurity of
Mogadishu, the TFG relocated to Jawhar, which it later decided to move
to Baidoa.

Warlords and leaders of Islamic courts have been fighting in Mogadishu
for about five months. This led to the loss of hundreds of civilians
and
destruction of properties. Somalia, which had been in a state of
anarchy
for more than a decade, has once again gone to war; this war was
somehow
different from previous ones. The nature of this war is seen to have
some religious and political clash while previous ones were much
related
to tribal and feudal conflicts. Each one of the conflicting parties is
claiming that the other group is related to Al-Qaeda when the reality
is
somehow different from that. After months of armed conflicts within the
capital city of Somalia, Union of Islamic Courts took the lead with
enormous points by eliminating the warlords who took hostage the
country
and its people for 16 years.



United States of America, which earlier denied any allegation of
helping
or giving hand to the warlords in the fight to weed out the Islamic
Militia in Somalia shortly after the takeover admitted that it had been
supporting warlords to destabilise the Islamic militia. America has
been
an active player in the politics of Somalia, and until now its policy
towards restoring peace and stability in the war -torn Somalia is
somehow obscure.



Somalis believe that it is the right time to take advantage to restore
the lost hope of good governance in the country as Union of Islamic
Courts led by Sheikh Sharif imposed law and order on Mogadishu, which
was seen neither for 16 years. Hundreds of families from overseas
countries returned back to Mogadishu, the capital city of Somalia since
the takeover took place.



At first Transitional Federal Government welcomed the political change,
which took place in Mogadishu as the Union of Islamic Courts disarmed a
pack of US-backed warlords that took the country and its people hostage
for more than a decade. But soon after the Islamic Militia started to
capture some other cities, the TFG warned the Union of Islamic Courts
of
capturing farther cities. A big gap of political misunderstanding came
in between the Transitional Federal Government and the Union of Islamic
Courts, after the president of fragile Transitional Federal Government
requested peacekeeping forces from the African Union. As the new Somali
constitution inked in Kenya says, "Peacekeeping forces should not
come from the neighbouring countries (Ethiopia, Kenya and
Djibouti)". Likewise, the parliament passed a motion, which it was
requesting peacekeeping troops to Somalia without paying attention to
the classification of peacekeeping forces from AU countries and of
front
line countries. This has created an escalation of political crisis in
Somalia. Ethiopia, which is the common enemy of Somalia has sent its
troops to Somalia in an attempt to protect the Transitional Federal
Government.



This time, Arab League took the political platform of Somalia to
mediate
the two conflicting parties. TFG and UIC were invited to attend a
mediation conference held on June 2006 in Sudan to settle their
differences. After a reconciliation conference, presided over by
Sudanese president Omar Hassan Albashir, the current chairman of Arab
League, the reconciliation process derailed with unknown reasons but it
is believed that Ethiopia was the main figure, which made the
reconciliation process fail as the outcome of the meeting could not
meet
the criteria of Ethiopia's plan to Somalia and then, President
Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, a well-known pro-Ethiopian warlord and his loyal
prime minister Ali Mohamed Gedi, a vet scientist started to advocate
the
legality of Ethiopian Army presence in Somalia.



The Somalis are of the opinion that the involvement of Ethiopian Army
in
the peacekeeping operations in Somalia could cause havoc and
deterioration of the political condition of the country in any case as
Ethiopia is an old aged enemy of Somalia in East Africa. While a vast
majority of the Somali public strongly opposed to deployment of
Ethiopian troop into Somalia under any pretext, president Yusuf's
political stance towards the deployment of Ethiopian troops in Somalia
is clear and also in action by denying the presence of Ethiopian troops
in Somalia just to protect his presidential seat.

Since the reconciliation conference in Sudan derailed a number of
ministers resigned due to the political misunderstanding between TFG
and
UIC. Prime minister declared that he would be nominating successors of
the resigned 24 ministers. In addition to that, the prime minister
himself survived after the Somali parliament passed a motion of no
confidence against him recently.



Moreover, Prime minister of Ethiopia Milez zanawi whose government
earlier denied any presence of Ethiopian troops in Somalia told BBC
that
his government has sent troops to Somalia to protect the Transitional
Federal Government from the Union of Islamic Courts. While on the other
hand, Eritrea is also believed to be an active supporter for the Union
of Islamic Courts. Somalis believe that the support from both Ethiopia
and Eritrea respectively is much related to a proxy war in between
them.
US government warned Ethiopia and Eritrea stop the proxy war they are
playing in the Somali territory.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]""


Dave Oldridge August 30th 06 06:02 AM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
"Woody" wrote in news:NrXIg.2771$N84.1234@trnddc08:

If you'll check the address bar when you reply, you might notice that
you're posting in a swap group, scanner group, policy group, and
antenna group.... IOW, you're just as guilty as the rest of us. :-)


Yep, I only very rarely set followups.



--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

[email protected] August 30th 06 12:48 PM

If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
 

wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
Woody wrote:


Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb

All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

:-)


There's some real gems in there.

Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.


acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve


Five??? What are they for?

"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people"
do this sort of stuff.


his other selves perhaps


I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are
others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP
uniform....

"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.


yep whow much safer we are for him


Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse
911....

"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.


and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults


Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie.

"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you
give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.


or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself)

"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots
and lots of inuendo.


that is you todd Han and scores of others


Everybody's gay.

Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says
he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated
by the VA. "Ask the VA."


well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of
my old unit


Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his
"discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer.

Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.


maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP


Yikes!!!

Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of
some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not
blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP
volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?


I know that does worry me too


Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about.

Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.

Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.

Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.


has he ever listed them?


Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would
just raise more questions about seven hostile actions.

Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't
know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.

A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.

Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.

Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.

I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...

So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like
the way I think.


prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all


I'm not a Morse bot.

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.


me neither

looks liek we will win


With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks,
no one has won anything.


Woody August 30th 06 08:06 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Bummer.. well, there's a bunch of ways to test, flashing lights and other
ways. If dyslexia is a problem, just have to get someone to read off the
dit-dah sequences while you memorize them, or use a recorded audio lesson.
There's always a way!
gud luck,
rb

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:17:34 GMT, "Woody" wrote:

Good on ya then! Do upgrade whenever you can, coz hammin' can be fun if
you
can find a decent bunch to hang with.
Learning 5wpm is pretty easy and gives you a new "toy" or "language" to
play
with if you are so inclined.

easy for some I spent 5 years at it in my teens for a Novice license
and neve got a novice license

instead it was learned I have serious case os dyslexia andfew of its
fellow travlers
The big plus being the new privileges and theory, and all the hi-tech
progression in radio going on in the 21st Century!
There's lots to get into.
Gud luck,
rb



wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:38:54 GMT, "Woody" wrote:

Ah, my bad... sry.
rb

np I expect the FCC to help me correct that soon enough
Radio content:
There used to be a radio swap group here....

indeed and all kinds of radio gruops

wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:43 GMT, "Woody" wrote:

Yeah, yoo big chikin. LOL

I dare you to pick up a mic and do a radio test on 3.865
by saying "Beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeep"!

rb
well as a etech I realy should not try that one

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Woody August 30th 06 08:14 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
Good point on the seinfeld thing.. lol..
and yep, those Al Qaeda guys are insane idiots, for sure.
No good can come from anything they have a hand in.
rb

wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:

Who's gonna see a single want ad in 300 postings about nothing?


Seinfeld ran for eight years and it was all about nothing. People
cried at the end.

Who wants to pilfer 300 postings about nothing to find a sale ad?
On the Somalia thing,
Do you mean extremists/terrorists that claim to follow Islam, or just
basic
Islamists?


Here's one:

""Somali Islamist gunmen undergo military training
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx...ticleid=281612

{EXCERPT} Mail & Guardian Online, South Africa Somalia's dominant
Islamic movement on Tuesday launched intensive military training for
hundreds of its gunmen under a plan to create instruments of
statehood......""

It looks like you mean the former.

Please understand that Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists/extremists, it
doesn't matter what religion they
claim to follow.

rb


Here's another:

""SOMALIA, THE BLACK HOLE OF ANARCHY

BY AHMED Q. BURSALIID

In mid July 2005 The U.S. intelligence agents, working with local
warlords, have carried out counter terrorist operations to seize
sus*pects. "Somalia remains the theatre for a shadowy
confrontation involving local Ji*hadis, foreign Al Qaeda operatives
and in*telligence services from a number of re*gional and
Western countries," says a report by the International Crisis Group
in 2005. The report says the "dirty war be*tween terrorists and
counter-terrorist oper*atives in Mogadishu appears to have
en*tered a new and more vicious stage that threatens to push the
country further towards Jihadism and extremist violence un*less its
root causes are properly addressed."

The Somali transitional federal government was formed in neighbouring
Kenya in 2004 and moved into Somalia June 2005. However, the
administration has failed to relocate to Mogadishu, the Somali capital,
because the city was considered unsafe. Due to the insecurity of
Mogadishu, the TFG relocated to Jawhar, which it later decided to move
to Baidoa.

Warlords and leaders of Islamic courts have been fighting in Mogadishu
for about five months. This led to the loss of hundreds of civilians
and
destruction of properties. Somalia, which had been in a state of
anarchy
for more than a decade, has once again gone to war; this war was
somehow
different from previous ones. The nature of this war is seen to have
some religious and political clash while previous ones were much
related
to tribal and feudal conflicts. Each one of the conflicting parties is
claiming that the other group is related to Al-Qaeda when the reality
is
somehow different from that. After months of armed conflicts within the
capital city of Somalia, Union of Islamic Courts took the lead with
enormous points by eliminating the warlords who took hostage the
country
and its people for 16 years.



United States of America, which earlier denied any allegation of
helping
or giving hand to the warlords in the fight to weed out the Islamic
Militia in Somalia shortly after the takeover admitted that it had been
supporting warlords to destabilise the Islamic militia. America has
been
an active player in the politics of Somalia, and until now its policy
towards restoring peace and stability in the war -torn Somalia is
somehow obscure.



Somalis believe that it is the right time to take advantage to restore
the lost hope of good governance in the country as Union of Islamic
Courts led by Sheikh Sharif imposed law and order on Mogadishu, which
was seen neither for 16 years. Hundreds of families from overseas
countries returned back to Mogadishu, the capital city of Somalia since
the takeover took place.



At first Transitional Federal Government welcomed the political change,
which took place in Mogadishu as the Union of Islamic Courts disarmed a
pack of US-backed warlords that took the country and its people hostage
for more than a decade. But soon after the Islamic Militia started to
capture some other cities, the TFG warned the Union of Islamic Courts
of
capturing farther cities. A big gap of political misunderstanding came
in between the Transitional Federal Government and the Union of Islamic
Courts, after the president of fragile Transitional Federal Government
requested peacekeeping forces from the African Union. As the new Somali
constitution inked in Kenya says, "Peacekeeping forces should not
come from the neighbouring countries (Ethiopia, Kenya and
Djibouti)". Likewise, the parliament passed a motion, which it was
requesting peacekeeping troops to Somalia without paying attention to
the classification of peacekeeping forces from AU countries and of
front
line countries. This has created an escalation of political crisis in
Somalia. Ethiopia, which is the common enemy of Somalia has sent its
troops to Somalia in an attempt to protect the Transitional Federal
Government.



This time, Arab League took the political platform of Somalia to
mediate
the two conflicting parties. TFG and UIC were invited to attend a
mediation conference held on June 2006 in Sudan to settle their
differences. After a reconciliation conference, presided over by
Sudanese president Omar Hassan Albashir, the current chairman of Arab
League, the reconciliation process derailed with unknown reasons but it
is believed that Ethiopia was the main figure, which made the
reconciliation process fail as the outcome of the meeting could not
meet
the criteria of Ethiopia's plan to Somalia and then, President
Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, a well-known pro-Ethiopian warlord and his loyal
prime minister Ali Mohamed Gedi, a vet scientist started to advocate
the
legality of Ethiopian Army presence in Somalia.



The Somalis are of the opinion that the involvement of Ethiopian Army
in
the peacekeeping operations in Somalia could cause havoc and
deterioration of the political condition of the country in any case as
Ethiopia is an old aged enemy of Somalia in East Africa. While a vast
majority of the Somali public strongly opposed to deployment of
Ethiopian troop into Somalia under any pretext, president Yusuf's
political stance towards the deployment of Ethiopian troops in Somalia
is clear and also in action by denying the presence of Ethiopian troops
in Somalia just to protect his presidential seat.

Since the reconciliation conference in Sudan derailed a number of
ministers resigned due to the political misunderstanding between TFG
and
UIC. Prime minister declared that he would be nominating successors of
the resigned 24 ministers. In addition to that, the prime minister
himself survived after the Somali parliament passed a motion of no
confidence against him recently.



Moreover, Prime minister of Ethiopia Milez zanawi whose government
earlier denied any presence of Ethiopian troops in Somalia told BBC
that
his government has sent troops to Somalia to protect the Transitional
Federal Government from the Union of Islamic Courts. While on the other
hand, Eritrea is also believed to be an active supporter for the Union
of Islamic Courts. Somalis believe that the support from both Ethiopia
and Eritrea respectively is much related to a proxy war in between
them.
US government warned Ethiopia and Eritrea stop the proxy war they are
playing in the Somali territory.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]""



[email protected] August 30th 06 11:21 PM

If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
 

wrote:
On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
Woody wrote:

Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb

All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

:-)

There's some real gems in there.

Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.

acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve


Five??? What are they for?


one was fr reporting him the BoN another for Daring to mention is
daughter (the one with dat 28dec) one forcontacting CAP, another
daring to make a true stament about his daugter last month, another
for asking if his wfe was fireproof to project her from Robeson
flaming pants


Liar, liar, pants on fiar. He still hasn't made the connection.

Welp, I don't think any female is part of his life so you might as well
quit asking.

"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people"
do this sort of stuff.

his other selves perhaps


I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are
others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP
uniform....


most likely

he must have some persona that is not the asshole stev is , since he
does go out in the world and hasn't been mrudered yet


That must be it. Persona #28.

"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.

yep whow much safer we are for him


Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse
911....


indeed


"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.

and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults


Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie.


not true sometime it takes more than 5minutes of reading to make
obvious after all you must first decided if he is serious


No smiley's!

"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you
give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.

or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself)

"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots
and lots of inuendo.


that is you todd Han and scores of others


Everybody's gay.


except Steve of course and all these gay men wantsteve's body (not)
same sort of insanity as wismen


He's always talking about resting his chin on his chest...

Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says
he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated
by the VA. "Ask the VA."

well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of
my old unit


Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his
"discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer.


indeed

Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.

maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP


Yikes!!!


that would explain things

Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of
some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not
blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP
volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?

I know that does worry me too


Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about.


exactly sorry if I was unclear

Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.

Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.

Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.

has he ever listed them?


Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would
just raise more questions about seven hostile actions.


I assume the good conuct is not amoug them


Says he's got those. Persona #29?

Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't
know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.

A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.

Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.

Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.

I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...

So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like
the way I think.

prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all


I'm not a Morse bot.


exactly and only bots like himself are welcome

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.

me neither

looks liek we will win


With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks,
no one has won anything.


indeed


I'm curious if the sour grapes will manifest itself as bad behavio[u]r
on the air?


Slow Code August 31st 06 12:21 AM

If you saw Mark at a hamfest, would you wave or give him the finger?
 
wrote in :

On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
Woody wrote:

Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say
anything in reply to this post....
rb

All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

:-)

There's some real gems in there.

Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.

acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve


Five??? What are they for?


one was fr reporting him the BoN another for Daring to mention is
daughter (the one with dat 28dec) one forcontacting CAP, another
daring to make a true stament about his daugter last month, another
for asking if his wfe was fireproof to project her from Robeson
flaming pants


"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other
people" do this sort of stuff.

his other selves perhaps


I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are
others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP
uniform....


most likely

he must have some persona that is not the asshole stev is , since he
does go out in the world and hasn't been mrudered yet

"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.

yep whow much safer we are for him


Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse
911....


indeed

"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.

and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults


Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie.


not true sometime it takes more than 5minutes of reading to make
obvious after all you must first decided if he is serious

"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and
you give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.

or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself)

"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with
lots and lots of inuendo.


that is you todd Han and scores of others


Everybody's gay.


except Steve of course and all these gay men wantsteve's body (not)
same sort of insanity as wismen


Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired.
Says he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been
rehabilitated by the VA. "Ask the VA."

well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of
my old unit


Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his
"discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer.


indeed

Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.

maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP


Yikes!!!


that would explain things

Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer"
of some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green
(not blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most
CAP volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?

I know that does worry me too


Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about.


exactly sorry if I was unclear

Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.

Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.

Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.

has he ever listed them?


Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would
just raise more questions about seven hostile actions.


I assume the good conuct is not amoug them

Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa.
Doesn't know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.

A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.

Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.

Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.

I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...

So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't
like the way I think.

prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all


I'm not a Morse bot.

exactly and only bots like himself are welcome

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.

me neither

looks liek we will win


With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks,
no one has won anything.

indeed
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/




L. August 31st 06 01:31 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

"Opus-" wrote in message
...

I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the
fray.


lots snipped

The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am
in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I
have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that
potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing
interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a
safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of
potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea.
Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your
technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW.
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html
This seems fair, to me.

As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested
years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is
considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread
and butter.


I'm not sure I recall all the other posters idea of investment - but
"mine" - was referring to the time/cost how ever little - "spent" or
"Invested" - if you will - in the way of time to study or prepare for the
exam - acquire equipment AND to actually go on the air to make use of it.
So - yes it "can" be looked as an investment - even if in a "minimal" sense
of the word.

IN the way I "think" you're referring to - as an investment towards a
"rewarding career" or leap forward into life - eh - depends on the person.
Many do NOT make electronics their lifes work. BUT, many have started from
ham (some from CB and then ham) and went on into some electronics or
electrical field. So for "them" - it "was" an investment of sorts - into
their future.

Just like another part of this thread where "memory and memorization" was
being used, hacked, slanged - the word "investment" could also go that
direction. It is all in how you want to look at it and perceive it.

Just my 2 cents!

L.



an old friend August 31st 06 03:49 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

L. wrote:
"Opus-" wrote in message
...


As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested
years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is
considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread
and butter.


I'm not sure I recall all the other posters idea of investment - but
"mine" - was referring to the time/cost how ever little - "spent" or
"Invested" - if you will - in the way of time to study or prepare for the
exam - acquire equipment AND to actually go on the air to make use of it.
So - yes it "can" be looked as an investment - even if in a "minimal" sense
of the word.


but that doesn't count of course like My g-5500 totor set isn't an
investment in my station

these folks are just in to what I call the "S&M" school of licensure


[email protected] August 31st 06 09:51 PM

If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
 
From: on Wed, Aug 30 2006 4:48 am


wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote:
wrote:
Woody wrote:


Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb


All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.


He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.


There's some real gems in there.


Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.


acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve


Five??? What are they for?


Class A uniforms for when Stebie joins the CAP Judge Advocate
General's office and goes on TV. :-)

"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people"
do this sort of stuff.


his other selves perhaps


I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are
others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP
uniform....


Oh, wow, what a thought! Major Dud could have his very own
newsgroup featuring all his personnae! :-)


"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.


yep whow much safer we are for him


Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse
911....


Hey! Rebolutionary! 911 operators call Him! :-)


"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.


and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults


Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie.


Absolutely true. 'Robitussin' probably has an empty sex
life and takes out his frustrations on everyone else.
Something on the order of Saddam Hussein now...and about
as Yiddish as Hussein... :-)


"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you
give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.


or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself)


"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots
and lots of inuendo.

that is you todd Han and scores of others


Everybody's gay.


...but morsemen aren't happy. :-(


Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says
he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated
by the VA. "Ask the VA."


well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of
my old unit


Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his
"discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer.


At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having
presented ANY third-party references or documents or even
personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum.

If Robeson comes clean and ever shows any documentation now,
he is in for tons of remarks of his past claims that he can
never weasel out of, not even with the gratuitous personal
insults he normally uses against challengers.

If Robeson continues on his fraudulent claims, then he is
only repeating his present behavior, convincing no one, and
building only his own warped fantasy. The rest of us will be
stuck with his personal blog output.


Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.


maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP


Yikes!!!


The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with
the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of
in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the
NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of
'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have
some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's
military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will
(by their own statements) accept membership by civilians.


Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of
some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not
blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP
volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?


I know that does worry me too


Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about.


...unless one is under the flight path of this "pilot in
command." :-)


Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.


Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.


Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.


has he ever listed them?


Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would
just raise more questions about seven hostile actions.


One doesn't get a Good Conduct Medal for fighting in a bar
outside of Camp Pendleton... :-)


Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't
know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.


"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.


Wayyyy too many times... :-)


A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.


[ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ]


Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.


Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.


I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...


No? :-) It's like reading "Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft-
Ebbing...for fun... :-)


So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like
the way I think.


prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all


Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant
who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-)

I'm not a Morse bot.

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.


me neither


looks liek we will win


With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks,
no one has won anything.


The morsemen have been so brainwashed into believing their own
efficacy in radio that it is impossible to "win" anything,
certainly not with the ARRL publishing house constantly implying
that morsemanship is the "best" skill an amateur could have.
Amateur morsemen are so wrapped up in their personal skill that
they are unable to come to terms with any amateur or
professional radio person who doesn't care for it. To them,
US amateur radio is ALL ABOUT manual radiotelegraphy. Tsk.




[email protected] August 31st 06 10:10 PM

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 
From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 30 2006 12:02 pm

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:18:12 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
Al Klein said:


Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would
expect you to be able to understand that.


Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements?


In lieu of any other meaningful test (and there currently is none), it
shows a willingness to put in a minimum amount of effort.


Gotta love your argument "technique," Big Al...it's your way or
the highway...! :-)


But, given that many professional people like myself are stretched for time, what good does all the licensing
and code requirements do for you besides build up boundries to doing something new and fun?


You might ask that about anything. Given that insert group here
like myself are stretched for time, what do all the requirements for
insert something here do for anyone?


Poor Big Al...he must have had a TERRIBLE time learning to be an
amateur when he was only Lil Al... :-)


I'm in a pretty technical field, and I study to keep up in that field everyday, the last thing I want to do,
is have to spend my weekends studying to talk on a radio.


So don't. Buy a CB, FRS or GMRS radio and talk all you like. Those
are the services created for folks who just want to talk on the radio.


Seems like that's all the extras and generals I hear on HF
doing...just talking on the radio... :-)


If less stringent requirements were there, I could
easily afford the tools of the trade, and would like to just jump in and start working with a ham setup. I'm
particularly interested in exploring the amateur radio/computer connections.


You won't like that - you'll have to devote a lot of your precious
time to learning things - electronics, both theoretical and practical,
programming, reading a waterfall display, keeping your signal
distortion-free ...

You can't just plug a radio into a computer and start using them.
Digital communications doesn't work if you do it that way.


No? You mean you can't buy a rig from HRO, unbox it, and
connect it, and have it work right away? :-)

There's several transceivers on the market that DO that,
Big Al. Have you kept up with radio technology since
Spark was outlawed?

Can you give me valid reasons as to what useful purpose in today's age they serve?


No, since someone who wants instant gratification can't be bothered to
listen to why that's the wrong way to do something. Your time is
probably much to valuable to spend it learning enough to understand
why you can't learn enough in an instant.

Go memorize some test answers, get a code-free tech, hook your
computer up to your radio and, in 6 months, you'll have your radio up
for sale on eBay, because "it doesn't really work".


Is eBay where you sold your radios, Big Al? :-)

Hey, Big Al, have you written the QPC yet about those simple,
easy-to-memorize questions on writtens? No? Why not?

Have you written the FCC yet about the anyone-can-get-a-ham-
license and tell 'em "what for?" [it's easy to submit a
petition to get back to them good ol days you want, FCC tells
you the procedure on their website] No? Why not?

Maybe you ought to write your congressperson, then. Tell THEM
that US amateur radio testing has gone down (your imaginative)
toilet and DEMAND that something be DOME about it!

You sure are ANGRY about things, Big Al. Maybe you need some
tranquilizers or mental therapy? No, you say? Okay, then I'll
just put you down in the Cranky Old Coot category. Here, have
a Foxtrot Uniform with my best wishes... :-)




Slow Code September 1st 06 01:06 AM

If you saw KB9RQZ next to a large mud puddle would you drive close and splash him?
 
wrote in :

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:34 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

wrote in
m:

On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700,
wrote:
but you are a bad one wanting to take away the preledges other earned
for themselves



You don't want to earn radio "preledges" Mark. You're too lazy to put
forth an effort to earn them.

SC

[email protected] September 1st 06 01:23 AM

If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
 

wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 30 2006 4:48 am


wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote:
wrote:
Woody wrote:


Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb


All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.


He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.


There's some real gems in there.


Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.


acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve


Five??? What are they for?


Class A uniforms for when Stebie joins the CAP Judge Advocate
General's office and goes on TV. :-)



The CAP has a JAG? I think robesin just likes to collect suits.

I'm going to have to find an organization chart and locate the JAG's
office.

"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people"
do this sort of stuff.


his other selves perhaps


I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are
others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP
uniform....


Oh, wow, what a thought! Major Dud could have his very own
newsgroup featuring all his personnae! :-)


Sgt York-Robesin and Chesty Puller-Robesin. And probably Sgt
Schultz-Robesin from Hogan's Heroes, and Corporal Agarn-Robesin from
F-Troop.

Then there's Walter Mitty-Robesin from fiction.

"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.


yep whow much safer we are for him


Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse
911....


Hey! Rebolutionary! 911 operators call Him! :-)


He knows everything. But he'll never get the call.

He taught the 911 Ops that there's a dash between the digits, i.e.,
9-1-1, and they can't find the dash on th{i]er dialpads, even in
reverse.

"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.


and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults


Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie.


Absolutely true. 'Robitussin' probably has an empty sex
life and takes out his frustrations on everyone else.
Something on the order of Saddam Hussein now...and about
as Yiddish as Hussein... :-)


Queezay and Oooday had a rape room. Don't know if Saddam participated.


Perhaps if robesin had been captured on one of his seven hostile forays
behind enemy lines, we might have known the truth about Saddam.

"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you
give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.


or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself)


"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots
and lots of inuendo.
that is you todd Han and scores of others


Everybody's gay.


...but morsemen aren't happy. :-(


It's not the Gay 90's anymore. But maybe before the 1st decade of the
new millenium lets out, we'll have a decision from the FCC.

Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says
he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated
by the VA. "Ask the VA."


well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of
my old unit


Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his
"discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer.


At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having
presented ANY third-party references or documents or even
personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum.


The sad thing is, even if he were to finally tell the truth no one
would believe him.

If Robeson comes clean and ever shows any documentation now,
he is in for tons of remarks of his past claims that he can
never weasel out of, not even with the gratuitous personal
insults he normally uses against challengers.


And so, robesin can never come clean. He will go to his grave with
lies heaped up, pushing up the daisies.

If Robeson continues on his fraudulent claims, then he is
only repeating his present behavior, convincing no one, and
building only his own warped fantasy. The rest of us will be
stuck with his personal blog output.


We know better. We are stuck with nothing, the nothing that is
robesin.

Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.


maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP


Yikes!!!


The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with
the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of
in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the
NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of
'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have
some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's
military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will
(by their own statements) accept membership by civilians.


So they would be free to raid the armory? Yikes!

Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of
some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not
blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP
volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?


I know that does worry me too


Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about.


...unless one is under the flight path of this "pilot in
command." :-)


I pity anyone under that flight path. They don't know the danger they
might be in.

And the CAP and American Taxpayers are liable.

Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.


Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.


Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.


has he ever listed them?


Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would
just raise more questions about seven hostile actions.


One doesn't get a Good Conduct Medal for fighting in a bar
outside of Camp Pendleton... :-)


Probably why he rests his chin on his chest. Can't hold it high.

Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't
know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.


"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.


Wayyyy too many times... :-)


Froot Loops.

A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.


[ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ]


I'm sure that that amateur radio dealer became aware of robesin's
remarks.

Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.


Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.


I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...


No? :-) It's like reading "Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft-
Ebbing...for fun... :-)


Ordinary sex is good enough for me.

So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like
the way I think.


prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all


Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant
who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-)


Sorry Anderson Amateur Radio IS NOT Boot Camp!

I'm not a Morse bot.

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.


me neither


looks liek we will win


With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks,
no one has won anything.


The morsemen have been so brainwashed into believing their own
efficacy in radio that it is impossible to "win" anything,
certainly not with the ARRL publishing house constantly implying
that morsemanship is the "best" skill an amateur could have.
Amateur morsemen are so wrapped up in their personal skill that
they are unable to come to terms with any amateur or
professional radio person who doesn't care for it. To them,
US amateur radio is ALL ABOUT manual radiotelegraphy. Tsk.



The day of reckoning is coming.


[email protected] September 1st 06 03:28 AM

If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
 

wrote:
wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 30 2006 4:48 am


wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote:
wrote:
Woody wrote:


Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb

All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

There's some real gems in there.

Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.

acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve

Five??? What are they for?


Class A uniforms for when Stebie joins the CAP Judge Advocate
General's office and goes on TV. :-)



The CAP has a JAG? I think robesin just likes to collect suits.


He loves UNIFORMS, Brian, not suits. ANY uniform. :-)

I'm going to have to find an organization chart and locate the JAG's
office.


I was jesting on the "JAG" part. :-) Robeson-Robesin has been on
such a jag trying to impress folks (as a fraud) that his posts have
enough material for at least two seasons of "JAG - a personal
story."

"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people"
do this sort of stuff.

his other selves perhaps

I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are
others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP
uniform....


Oh, wow, what a thought! Major Dud could have his very own
newsgroup featuring all his personnae! :-)


Sgt York-Robesin and Chesty Puller-Robesin. And probably Sgt
Schultz-Robesin from Hogan's Heroes, and Corporal Agarn-Robesin from
F-Troop.

Then there's Walter Mitty-Robesin from fiction.


Don't forget the skirt-wearing guy from MASH. :-)

"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.

yep whow much safer we are for him

Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse
911....


Hey! Rebolutionary! 911 operators call Him! :-)


He knows everything. But he'll never get the call.

He taught the 911 Ops that there's a dash between the digits, i.e.,
9-1-1, and they can't find the dash on th{i]er dialpads, even in
reverse.


Sunnuvagun!

"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.

and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults

Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie.


Absolutely true. 'Robitussin' probably has an empty sex
life and takes out his frustrations on everyone else.
Something on the order of Saddam Hussein now...and about
as Yiddish as Hussein... :-)


Queezay and Oooday had a rape room. Don't know if Saddam participated.


Them's Hussein sons? Could they do morse code? :-)

Perhaps if robesin had been captured on one of his seven hostile forays
behind enemy lines, we might have known the truth about Saddam.

"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you
give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.

or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself)

"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots
and lots of inuendo.
that is you todd Han and scores of others

Everybody's gay.


...but morsemen aren't happy. :-(


It's not the Gay 90's anymore. But maybe before the 1st decade of the
new millenium lets out, we'll have a decision from the FCC.


Maybe. Who knows what the ARRL backroom boys are doing in DC?


Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says
he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated
by the VA. "Ask the VA."

well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of
my old unit

Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his
"discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer.


At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having
presented ANY third-party references or documents or even
personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum.


The sad thing is, even if he were to finally tell the truth no one
would believe him.


That's one of my points...

If Robeson comes clean and ever shows any documentation now,
he is in for tons of remarks of his past claims that he can
never weasel out of, not even with the gratuitous personal
insults he normally uses against challengers.


And so, robesin can never come clean. He will go to his grave with
lies heaped up, pushing up the daisies.


"Hedgerow flowers," Brian, also known as weeds...

If Robeson continues on his fraudulent claims, then he is
only repeating his present behavior, convincing no one, and
building only his own warped fantasy. The rest of us will be
stuck with his personal blog output.


We know better. We are stuck with nothing, the nothing that is
robesin.


We got plenty o' nuthin... [from the song]


Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.

maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP

Yikes!!!


The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with
the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of
in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the
NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of
'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have
some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's
military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will
(by their own statements) accept membership by civilians.


So they would be free to raid the armory? Yikes!


The armories would no doubt be empty if full activation happens.

Prolly better quarters for their monthly meetings, though...


Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of
some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not
blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP
volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?

I know that does worry me too

Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about.


...unless one is under the flight path of this "pilot in
command." :-)


I pity anyone under that flight path. They don't know the danger they
might be in.

And the CAP and American Taxpayers are liable.


Well, be thankful we aren't in TN.


Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP

HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.

Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.

Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.

has he ever listed them?

Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would
just raise more questions about seven hostile actions.


One doesn't get a Good Conduct Medal for fighting in a bar
outside of Camp Pendleton... :-)


Probably why he rests his chin on his chest. Can't hold it high.


Sounds plausible...

Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't
know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.


Wayyyy too many times... :-)


Froot Loops.


We've been exposed to his cereal killing of the truth...


A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.


[ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ]


I'm sure that that amateur radio dealer became aware of robesin's
remarks.


Tsk on me, I missed those exchanges.


Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.

Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.

I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...


No? :-) It's like reading "Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft-
Ebbing...for fun... :-)


Ordinary sex is good enough for me.


I think Robeson wants to experience OTHERS' sex lives...

So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like
the way I think.

prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all


Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant
who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-)


Sorry Anderson Amateur Radio IS NOT Boot Camp!


Guess the wannabe DILL sergeant told me, huh? :-)

I'm not a Morse bot.

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.

me neither

looks liek we will win

With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks,
no one has won anything.


The morsemen have been so brainwashed into believing their own
efficacy in radio that it is impossible to "win" anything,
certainly not with the ARRL publishing house constantly implying
that morsemanship is the "best" skill an amateur could have.
Amateur morsemen are so wrapped up in their personal skill that
they are unable to come to terms with any amateur or
professional radio person who doesn't care for it. To them,
US amateur radio is ALL ABOUT manual radiotelegraphy. Tsk.



The day of reckoning is coming.


Ah reckon y'all are raht... :-)


[email protected] September 1st 06 09:11 PM

If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
 
From: on Thurs, Aug 31 2006 8:27 pm


wrote:


At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having
presented ANY third-party references or documents or even
personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum.


The sad thing is, even if he were to finally tell the truth no one
would believe him.


That's one of my points...


indeed ut if he told something convincing enough I might pretend to
believe just for the sake of peace


So far, Robeson has NOT been convincing. He IMPLIES and ALLUDES
to things but hardly ever states anything outright and then
never with any referencible sources that anyone can access.

Robeson has tried to construct an edifice, indeed almost a
temple in which we should all venerate his mighty
accomplishments AND, at the same time, has leveled barrages
of personal insults and deragatory accusations against all
challengers. That latter action negated his mighty
constructs and established his fraud. That 'edifice' has
to be torn down...if for no other reason than being an
eyesore to us in his field of dreams.


The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with
the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of
in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the
NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of
'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have
some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's
military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will
(by their own statements) accept membership by civilians.


So they would be free to raid the armory? Yikes!


The armories would no doubt be empty if full activation happens.


well they would be defending things like the kitchen sinks and the
bathrooms


In reality, the STATE Guards (not all states have them) are
little more than state political constructs to enable a few
to play soldier and otherwise establish their machismo. Part
of that is the ever-present "conspiracy theory" coupled with
some kind of imaginative armageddon scenario of a doomed
future where everything in a state is in ruins or anarchy but
the "state guard" can step in and "restore order."

The curious thing about the latter is that some of the Believers
in the efficacy of morsemanship think in the same manner...that
only amateur radio survives the worst emergency and that only
morsemanship can be used to call for help. That is patently
absurd in light of reality but founded on the mythos of morse
that grew following the Titanic disaster of 94 years ago.

As to fully-activated National Guard units, the states have
various plans to keep the NG structures and land intact,
usually using civilian personnel (law enforcement, probably)
and that does not require a lot of personnel. In the field
of communications for the REAL public safety agencies, those
agencies are well-supplied with many forms of communication
of their own (outnumbering amateur licensees according to EIA
data of about 15 years ago) that is NOT part of the "telephone
infrastructure" that many ham-patriots erroneously think
"always fails in an emergency." Most public safety agencies
in the USA have established emergency-scenario plans and
they periodically train/drill for those procedures. Very few
amateur radio local organizations do that.



A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.


[ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ]


I'm sure that that amateur radio dealer became aware of robesin's
remarks.


Tsk on me, I missed those exchanges.


me too


For several months past I simply did not bother accessing Google
for this newsgroup. It was a waste of time when the macho
middle-school mental-adolescents came in and talked trash and
filth to anyone. How many of those anony-mousies were actual
amateur radio licensees is unknown and irrelevant. The known
licensed amateurs just didn't do anything about them. That
presents a very BIG negative on the amateurs' ability "to
police their own." They couldn't. They can't despite their
brags about such "policing."

Robeson once made claims that he was IN one of the local Los
Angeles HRO stores, with "friends while visiting them." A big
problem with that was that was his claimed time-line and NOT
being able to describe, even in minor detail, the locations
or the surrounding territory. The first HRO in northern L.A.
was in Van Nuys, CA, in the center of the San Fernando Valley.
[bought my Icom R70 there years ago] That HRO moved to
Burbank, CA, a few years ago, at the corner of Buena Vista
and Victory (a major intersection with shops at all four
corners). It is across the street from a relatively new
food supermarket having a huge elevated sign visible from
all four corners. Robeson could not describe that sign, let
alone the location, even though it was easily visible (he
didn't name the supermarket). It is very familiar to me since
my wife and I shop there regularly. Robeson couldn't name a
single store in the mini-mall across the street from the
market even though there's a Radio Shack outlet next to that
HRO. That HRO has now moved again (they had a window sign
announcing that for weeks) and we will see if Robeson wants
to repeat all of his lies about being in any one of them. :-)


Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant
who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-)


Sorry Anderson Amateur Radio IS NOT Boot Camp!


Guess the wannabe DILL sergeant told me, huh? :-)


well real boot camp would pleasenter than what Robesin would devise

I know Boot camp was accuauly the most fun I had in the army


Brian and I were being sarcastic about "boot camp." The
US Army and the USAF *never* had "boot camp." In those
branches is was called BASIC TRAINING. It still is and
is usually referred to familiarly as just "Basic."

I "took Basic" at Camp Gordon (now Fort Gordon) which was
in 1952 a Signal Corps center and now THE Center for Army
Signal Corps. We had to learn basic infantryman
soldiering, how to "close with the enemy and destroy
them." No fun in that part of Georgia near Agusta. The
only communications taught in Basic were courier duties
and connecting/using an EE-8 Field Telephone plus laying
field wire (real grunt work carrying that auto-pay-out
wire box on a back pack). After 8 weeks of Basic we were
assigned to Signal Schools...Field Radio and TTY at
Gordon, radar-microwave-photography at Ft. Monmouth, NJ.
For me, "fun" didn't begin until Monmouth and the ability
to actually handle radios, examine their guts and theory,
use them on the air.

Things have changed greatly in military communications
since 54 years ago. The Field Radio MOS long since became
extinct and with it the need to learn manual radio-
telegraphy. HF radio is still taught but more as an
adjunct to VHF radios common from small units to battalion
level...the SINCGARS family of digital voice/data, optional
frequency-hopping and encrypted modes with a quarter million
produced since 1989 and all operational...to be replaced
soon with a compatible but upgraded family of radios with
more and better features. HT-sized SINCGARS-compatible
radios are being used in Iraq and Afghanistan now (you can
see them on news telecasts). The ONLY radiotelegraphy
classes are centered at the Military Intelligence School
at Ft. Huachuca and that for (passive, listening-only)
Intercept Analysis purposes, not communications.

Some non-active or never-serving morsemen in here have
insisted that Special Forces "use" radiotelegraphy since
a Special Forces Communications Sergeant MOS is required
to know that. Special Forces are very macho in image
but they, like the USN SEALs, are a very small group of
specialists, for (as their name implies) Special
operations. The major Army and land-force marines effort
is done by regular land soldiers. "Behind the lines"
(quaint euphemism) comms can be done by regular land
signal units by encrypted data over VHF-UHF, relay by
aircraft or satellite, extemely hard to intercept. Even
in the 1990 First Gulf War there was no "CW" used from
"Behind enemy lines." The AN/PSC-3 did that or, in a
few locations inside Iraq, by VHF voice or data.

The extreme mobility of USA land forces now, and in 1990,
is described in the many land-forces reports done on the
First Gulf War, namely Operation "73-Easting." The final
hundred hours of the First Gulf War outdid the best
panzerfaust actions of Rommel in North Africa of 1942-
1943. About two orders of magnitude better. One thing
that the American military did copy from Rommel's units
was "Nevis" or NVIS, Near Vertical Incidence Skywave,
short-distance ionospheric bounce that some hams deride
as "cloud burning." Nevis works rather well and has been
a field procedure in USA-USMC-USAF land-to-land comms for
at least a quarter century.

World War 2 was over 61 years ago. Vietnam War was
over 33 years go. The First Gulf War started (and
finished almost as quickly) 16 years ago. The Korean
War went into a state of perpetual Truce 53 years ago.
Amateur morsemen still gorge their imaginations on
the Titanic disaster CW comms of 94 years ago. Time
has gone on and technology has changed...for all but
those hidebound morsemen are still pipe-dreaming their
imagined glory and self-steam after watching old WW2
movies on late-night TV, demanding that future amateurs
learn morse to defend their homeland. :-)




Slow Code September 2nd 06 01:36 AM

If you saw KB9RQZ standing next to a large mud puddle would you drive close and splash him?
 
wrote in :

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:06:39 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

wrote in
m:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:34 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

wrote in
m:

On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700,
wrote:
but you are a bad one wanting to take away the preledges other earned
for themselves



You don't want to earn radio "preledges" Mark. You're too lazy to put
forth an effort to earn them.

I have earned them



You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham
radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn
them.

You're too friggen lazy to put forth an effort to earn anymore
priviledges, that's why you want ham radio dumbed down.

Now, if I lived near you, I would do CW practice for you to upgrade. I
honestly would. What you should do if you have an HF receiver is to try
to find some code on air to practice copying.

Maybe you could talk N9OGL into making Omega One a code practice station.
He could send Code practice runs in between all the ****ty songs he plays.

SC


an old friend September 2nd 06 03:30 AM

trolling right along
 

Slow Code wrote:
wrote in :


You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham
radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn
them.


funy how for all you claim to be better than I and better than those
that agree with me on code tesing Our view is going to prevail

trolling right along



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