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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Well... no, I got the point just fine. I can't imagine being surrounded by
Spanish-speaking people needing a code interp, or being on a CW freq anyway, while some emergency happens to be taking place. And yeah, I'm elite like that... I have a gift for gab... just like a monkey can be trained to tap out a code of communication, I can parrot what I hear. It [or 50wpm CW] isn't intelligence in any way, it's just a stupid circus trick. Once again..... this wasn't or isn't the issue anyway... No one said there were no pros to the mode, just that the whole "save a life" thing is laughable. This argument jumps from an issue of speed, then to the generation gap, then to simple name-calling banter. It's quite humorous and totally stupid. Kudos to the OP troll! LOL rb "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . 159... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Thank you.
rb "Cecil Moore" wrote in message et... Al Klein wrote: Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. Spanish words are easy to write even if one doesn't understand them. In general, unlike English, there is usually only one possible way to pronounce and to spell a Spanish word. You hear "a-di-os". You write a-d-i-o-s. You don't need to know what it means. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
And for the millionth time, all you control/speed freaks just don't get
it...... If I could take down a message in CW at 200wpm in High German, guess what? It'll take me hours to locate a German to translate it. SO..... shot down yet again, a big burning ball of fire falling from the sky beepin' SOS till ya hit the water right next to a burning boat... Let's get back on point please. The question was if you had to use CW to save a life, would that person die? The answer is simple. If the person in question knows CW, then no, and if the person in question doesn't know CW, then yes. How hard is that? Why can't everyone keep to the issue? rb "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 02:32:01 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. Spanish words are easy to write even if one doesn't understand them. Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. In general, unlike English, there is usually only one possible way to pronounce and to spell a Spanish word. You hear "a-di-os". You write a-d-i-o-s. You don't need to know what it means. When it's spoken very quickly and in a panic, it's more like "adhyose". Understandable, if weird looking, to a Spaniard. Try some other languages, though - those you've never heard spoken before. See how well you do. Then see how well you do in CW ... oh, you already know that, don't you? -.-. is the same, whether it's hard, soft or unpronounced. Whether you put a cedilla on it or not, a Spaniard will understand it. So will a Turk, even though it sounds more like - -.-. But would you write "Con" for something that sounds like Tchonn? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Murderer!
rb "Cecil Moore" wrote in message . net... Al Klein wrote: Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm which is the whole point. If one speaks faster, I may not be able to copy it. If one sends CW to me faster than 13 wpm, for sure I cannot copy it even in English. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Hi-quality Maui Wowie bud, bra.... you know, da kine Mary-Jane....
rb "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:52:28 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Ok.... you just ruined your whole argument.... you're now comparing
commercial and professional ops to amateur ops. What is your point? The issue here is hobby radio operated by hobbyists. The dark question has yet to be asked anyway... "Should amateur radio ops be held to professional standards?" Or maybe it's something about saving a life with CW... it's kinda muddy at this point.... rb "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Excuse me? If you are going to operate on a worldwide basis, you should be
well versed on world languages so you don't have that problem. Ask any hi-speed op and they should agree. The funny part being most all foreign ops know English and most US natives are small appliance bulbs in a world of Xenon driving lights. rb "an old friend" wrote in message ups.com... Al Klein wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? if you get a message in turkish in most of the USA you still have a useless message since where are yo going to find some that read the lang |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Git'em Cecil....
I'm still wondering why he thinks we'd be in the CW band in the first place. I've killed millions with my lax attitude towards listening in, and figure I'll be guilty of genocide before I'm done! rb "Cecil Moore" wrote in message om... Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
LOL.... I assume you think you've made a point at any time?
It's a simple yes or no question.... If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? Stay on point please. Sheesh, why would we be in the CW band in the first place, and then why taking down code or voice in a foreign language we don't understand? That Mister, *must* be the epitome of ham.... You know, there are children starving in South America, Babies being slaughtered at birth in India, and you think some stupid ham op parked in a chair in poshville USA has a clue about anything that really matters? Oh! I know CW, I know CW! I passed a message once and saved the world! And for the next 30 years I bumbled around in my back yard drinking beer, eating donuts and doing nothing for anyone except my own self. Arrogant Americans lost in space. That's thick. rb "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:12:14 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: About your lack of content, yes. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Yeah, yoo big chikin. LOL
I dare you to pick up a mic and do a radio test on 3.865 by saying "Beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeep"! rb "an old friend" wrote in message ps.com... Al Klein wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:12:14 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. David's choice was Spanish. My choice was a language one couldn't understand. Pay attention. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. About your lack of content, yes. nope your efforts to keep chaning to rules it is tranperant as see though as your cowardly nature |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
It's all in the same language... Eastern Deuphus.
rb "Phil Wheeler" wrote in message ... Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. But in what language? ;) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you
should stay off the bands. rb "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... Al Klein wrote in : On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message .159... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Eh? Now you say its ok to be slow? Make up your mind will ya? People are
dying while you decide! rb "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:22:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: Al Klein wrote in m: Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . .. Not an exact date, though it's probably in the archives of the Canadian Coast Guard, my employer at the time. Bam... burnin' beepin' ball of fire trailing smoke to the white bubbly patch in the ocean.... [next to the beepin' burnin' boat]... Let's get with it people.... are we have a commercial radio argument or an amateur radio argument??? If commercial then we all agree, argument is moot. If amateur, it doesn't matter as it's just a hobby, argument is moot. Make up your mind folks. Either this is a stupid argument or it's a stupid point to argue. [hint: its the one that's stupid] rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
So did your guy die or not?
rb "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . .. [snip] Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31. Dee, N8UZE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I thought it was illegal to change modes during the EMF stage... ??
You should be able to remodulate your carrier to offset the gravimetric effect on the signal as it nears subspace. I scavenged a modulator wheel from an electronic piano and work it with the left hand whilst straight-keying with my right, as obviously this can't be done with a keyer or bug of any kind. Manual manipulation of each character's component time/phase is a must to get a synch. rb "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Dee Flint" wrote in : "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . .. [snip] Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31. True, I've never had much success during 2 metere aurora openings with anything BUT CW. It ain't CW by the time it gets to the other end, but it's still readable there. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: where did you encounter total stupidity? I missed it I saw someone Uhhhh...... Start with the OP and read to this point or beyond.... rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Good call. Admit nothing, deny everything.
Hey, if you had to use CW to make chicken salad for a starving Latvian, would that person starve to death? rb I'm not responsible for your perceptual difficulties. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Never ever saw a
CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page Big blue jumpsuits... never seen anything else... , and a male nurses uniform. Wanna explain what a male nurses uniform is?? Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? Wow, that sounds rather condescending.... Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. Yeah, those "real" radio ops really have it tough, don't they? There should be a reality show called "Two-Way Trauma: Life in the radio room." rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post.... rb wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Me either.
rb wrote in message ups.com... RLW wrote: wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Well, doggone it, Lennie. Next thing ya know he'll be posting over the callsign of another Amateur. Nope...ya just cain't believe guys like that, can you Len? I don't believe his bs. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
So you guys got sidetracked and missed the CW call so both your guys died.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye. rb wrote in message oups.com... rom: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-) Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. I don't believe his bs. Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully, that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here now. I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT naming a single military radio that was operational during his alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is classified!" :-) Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military radios operational between the times of those two are easily recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences between families but the same case and general form). The operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick- look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list. Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link lists for other sites that have them. Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear. MARS doesn't normally use such. :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I saw a C-130 fly almost directly over my house last year. Couldn't see who
was in it though... rb wrote in message ups.com... wrote: from: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-) I attended 3 weeks of CWPC training at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. It hosts CAP HQ. Didn't see any CAP uniforms there, either. Odd, though. The new owner of robesin's old vanity callsign, K4CAP, resides in Montgomery, Alabama. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. I don't believe his bs. Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully, that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here now. Some of the whacko Anon's have championed robesin's cause, whatever it might be. I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT naming a single military radio that was operational during his alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is classified!" :-) Scuse me while I blow the pepsi out of my nose. Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military radios operational between the times of those two are easily recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences between families but the same case and general form). The operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick- look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list. Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link lists for other sites that have them. Too much work for robesin. So he just "classified" everything. He was definitely confused by Major Vincent and his key on a necklace. Hah! Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear. MARS doesn't normally use such. :-) If he was involved in MARS, it was probably just to eavesdrop on morale calls from a lonely GI to his wife or girlfriend back home. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in message news:FYqIg.36416$NF3.28742@trnddc05... And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you should stay off the bands. rb Aw, fer Chrissake Woody, kwit yer cryin' and whinin'. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message oups.com... I knew a SSgt that was also a Major. When he had on his Major Uniform, he strutted around escorting the JrCAPs to the chow hall to show them how it's really done. Cool, so he could wear one of each rank per shoulder and you can just call him Sgt. Major. Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. Uh, hello.... Looks like perfect qualifications for a management position. He never thought that a mere Army or Air Force NCO would know anything about MARS. It's the 4th planet from the Sun, and there's a probe thingy driving in uncontrollable circles around Deuphus Prime. Very, very unfortunate for him. Not good for the probe either... Seven hostile actions, I'm told. I can't imagine being short-sheeted 7 times by members of my flight. The marines can fly? I thought they were just to cover the beaches so the Army doesn't get sand in their boots.... rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Yeah, but with the VNER sanctions, you can't get the ALE to link up with
them to start the whole CVAC anyway. rb "an old friend" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. So what's the hold up? most likely the fact that some at the FCC wouldlike to plase the ARRL as long as it costs them nothing ut the cpsts are starting to build since NVEC realy needs to know soon what the general license involves so they can write the new pool |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I knew a SSgt that was also a Major. When he had on his Major Uniform, he strutted around escorting the JrCAPs to the chow hall to show them how it's really done. Cool, so he could wear one of each rank per shoulder and you can just call him Sgt. Major. Yikes! Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. Uh, hello.... Looks like perfect qualifications for a management position. I like the way you think. He never thought that a mere Army or Air Force NCO would know anything about MARS. It's the 4th planet from the Sun, and there's a probe thingy driving in uncontrollable circles around Deuphus Prime. Careful. You might get him excited with the probe talk. Very, very unfortunate for him. Not good for the probe either... Can't it be factory refurbished? Seven hostile actions, I'm told. I can't imagine being short-sheeted 7 times by members of my flight. The marines can fly? I thought they were just to cover the beaches so the Army doesn't get sand in their boots.... Welp, when the AF took the airplanes away from the Army in 1947... ....this guy named Sikorsky came along and sold them some helicopters. Anyway, they were a lot of fun and the idea really caught on. Now the marines have them, too. Robesin says he worked on helicopters in some capacity, and got hisself involved in 7 hostile actions. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: I saw a C-130 fly almost directly over my house last year. Couldn't see who was in it though... rb The aluminum skin of a C130 is sort of hard to see through. The only craft that I ever saw with a glass underbelly was a tour boat in Florida. But you can rest assured that neither robesin nor the CAP was flying that C130. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:
So did your guy die or not? Which one? You win some, you lose some. In more than twenty years there were lots. You see until 1995 CW was still being used for serious ship-to- shore comms. SSB is OK for phone calls but if you want written copy, you need something that works. And, though we tried it with some fairly good equipment, RTTY just didn't cut it. What did the job was INMARSAT. Satellite comms can take place on VHF, UHF and SHF bands that don't restrict bandwidth. And they can do that because the antenna is finally high enough to make a real difference. And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal as far as signal-to-noise goes. Of course, if a big solar flare takes out a whole bunch of sats, we're gonna have a comm squeeze. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:thrIg.2006$XD1.1601@trnddc01:
Good call. Admit nothing, deny everything. Hey, if you had to use CW to make chicken salad for a starving Latvian, would that person starve to death? If you had to use either of your brain cells to think of some way to FEED a starving Latvian would that person starve to death? -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:cfrIg.2016$pX3.1819@trnddc07:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: where did you encounter total stupidity? I missed it I saw someone Uhhhh...... Start with the OP and read to this point or beyond.... Gee, which of your brain cells thought that one up? -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:2_qIg.2009$pX3.1822@trnddc07:
Eh? Now you say its ok to be slow? Make up your mind will ya? People are dying while you decide! rb This gem must've come from the other brain cell. Is that the one that took the brunt when you were dropped? "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:22:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: Al Klein wrote in : Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:FYqIg.36416$NF3.28742@trnddc05:
And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you should stay off the bands. 20 is SLOW. But the only way to learn 35 or 40 is to learn 10, 15, 20 etc. And the best way to do that is get on the bands and DO it instead of making rude noises at the people who CAN. Phonetics on SSB are usually a lot slower than 20wpm, though. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"an old freind" wrote in
ps.com: Al Klein wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 59... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. I do that firaly well as long as it is a a langauge fro gruop I know I can take down serbian in crylllic even though I don't what they are saying it is simply a skill For that matter I hear and resend Morse as long as I don't try to decipher it As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. YOU can and you then claim that you have that skill it is valid your values in the ARS refuse to accept that notion different strokes for different folks If instead of CW testng we had a choice a various tests to take that would stand muster the current value Morse well outside of it value withut even realy testing its abilty to do a QSO were the test based sending and receiveing where the receiveing could send bak pse senf all after ... and before what then take a test to show that he was able to comincate the test would have more vailiity but it doesn't the CW tests do noy even show that the testee can use CW over the air We have three tests her in Canada now. The Basic gets you on the air. If you get an 80% or higher score you get HF privileges with that. You're limited in power and must use commercially built, approved gear. If you want to roll your own gear or put up a repeater or something, then write the Advanced. You'll get full HF privileges. If you want to be known as morse proficient, then take the code test. That will get you on HF even if you just PASSED your Basic. But if you already have the Advanced, then it will get you a nic shiny morse endorsement and a sense of accomplishment. And no, the sky didn't fall any further than it already did when we dropped the code requirement for Basic and made it VHF only. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in
news:U5qIg.36408$NF3.27574@trnddc05: Well... no, I got the point just fine. I can't imagine being surrounded by Spanish-speaking people needing a code interp, or being on a CW freq anyway, while some emergency happens to be taking place. Well, it certainly happened to me. Of course I can't say whether it actually SAVED any lives. Because maybe they would have been saved anyway, though it sure helped that I could figure out what was wrong. But you see, a lot of ships used CW at that time. And yeah, I'm elite like that... I have a gift for gab... just like a monkey can be trained to tap out a code of communication, I can parrot what I hear. It [or 50wpm CW] isn't intelligence in any way, it's just a stupid circus trick. Once again..... this wasn't or isn't the issue 50wpm is relatively easy. Now back in 1975 when I was out on Sable Island, I broke in on some guys on 80m with my nice new computer, programmed to send morse from the terminal keyboard (but still requiring a human ear to hear). They were going 65 and wanted to know if I could "copy the morse code." One kid there used to QSO me and he'd start out at 60 and ramp up. He was 13. anyway... No one said there were no pros to the mode, just that the whole "save a life" thing is laughable. This argument jumps from an issue of speed, then to the generation gap, then to simple name-calling banter. It's quite humorous and totally stupid. Kudos to the OP troll! LOL rb Well, to be honest, I leave my keyer set at 25wpm. That's a good steady speed for general working. I'm only likely to speed it up if I'm in a contest or something. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you..... the "Whole Point" in the Apples and
Oranges War: "Dave Oldridge" But you see, a lot of ships used CW at that time. So, what say we just forget this whole thing a swap some radios? rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you..... the "Whole Point" in the Apples and Oranges War: "Dave Oldridge" But you see, a lot of ships used CW at that time. So, what say we just forget this whole thing a swap some radios? rb I'kk be glad to as soonas the R&O comes out |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Ah, my bad... sry.
rb Radio content: There used to be a radio swap group here.... wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:43 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Yeah, yoo big chikin. LOL I dare you to pick up a mic and do a radio test on 3.865 by saying "Beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeep"! rb well as a etech I realy should not try that one "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Listen here... I will not stand by and watch millions of innocent people die
needlessly as more an more people shun the gift of life by scoffing at CW. It's genocide I tell you, and the government just sits by and watches it happen!! rb radio content: Now we're really ridin' a continuous wave..... too bad we're in the sewer.... "Not Lloyd" anon@anon wrote in message ... "Woody" wrote in message news:FYqIg.36416$NF3.28742@trnddc05... And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you should stay off the bands. rb Aw, fer Chrissake Woody, kwit yer cryin' and whinin'. |
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