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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:41:18 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:22:13 -0400, Al Klein wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:47:21 -0400, wrote: "When I robbed a man at the age of 15, I wasn't arrested." Does that make robbery legal? Your experience is only that - your experience, it's not definitive. impling that Cecil stole his license by passing the tests of the day Not even close, but your accusation is close to being libelous. the accusation is your not mine Your accusation that I implied that Cecil stole his license is mine? Not in this universe. YOU want the license as some sort of badge of honnor No, I want it to mean what it meant for decades - that the holder had demonstrated a certain level of knowledge. it has never meant that, not as a matt r of law Just as a matter of fact (before you were aware of ham radio), not in law. Now it doesn't mean anything in fact, just in law. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:41:50 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:30:02 -0400, Al Klein wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:54:10 -0400, wrote: not in my opinion which for the pruposes of posting is all that counts No, actually, "for the purposes of posting", your opinion doesn't count at all to most people. you knwo you efforts are getting boring Then ... what's your famous line? Oh, yes, bail, Markie. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:43:20 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:31:29 -0400, Al Klein wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:55:07 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:12:21 -0400, Al Klein wrote: Sorry, I don't share your religious incredulity. I don't recognize "sin" as anything but a nonsense word. you certainly a polite ham ....NOT Is that religious bigotry I'm hearing, Mark? "Accept my beliefs as fact or be labeled impolite"? if you are hearing anything seek medical help most like but you are misreading the stament You called me impolite because of my religious view. you can politely disagree with re;ligoous beliefes without labeling them as nonsense I didn't label any religious belief as nonsense - that's in your head, because you don't understand English. it is not polite to label such thigs as nonsense It's not impolite to label nonsensical things as nonsense. if you were polite youd know that If you were at least a tad intelligent, you'd know a lot that you don't know now. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On 14 Aug 2006 18:42:55 -0700, "
wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. "They didn't" ... "escape". Looks like the impostor (as far as understanding simple English) isn't me. |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Develop "b)" a little more. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: Al Klein wrote: On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Develop "b)" a little more. he sure turning out like steve even started following to most of the ngs I like to post in nice guy |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
an old friend wrote: wrote: Al Klein wrote: On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Develop "b)" a little more. he sure turning out like steve even started following to most of the ngs I like to post in nice guy Signal tracing will show it's the same transmitter. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read. It's all about implications, inferences, and vague "truths" which don't establish anything. Then you get ****ed off when others don't accept your "word" on things. I will ask directly: ARE you an olde-fahrt? Or long-timer? If so, HOW LONG? Try not to be too vague on this. Real truth will establish your "rep" in here. So far you don't have much of a "rep" except we all know you are a PRO-CODER. "They didn't" ... "escape". Looks like the impostor (as far as understanding simple English) isn't me. I can't see anyone named "They didn't" in the Google message list, nor that of "escape." Simply put, if you can't establish any bona fides for your alleged long-timerness, I'll just put you in the "imposter" list. [lots of folks from here in there...] |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, "
wrote: From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read. I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm
On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, " wrote: From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read. I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-) That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish). If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-) Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault." Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to correct your mistakes! :-) Here's some more to chew on: RFCs (Radio Frequency Chokes, inductors) in axial-lead plastic tubular packages are STILL marked with color-code bands. There's a MIL SPEC on that as all "long-time design engineers" should know; such parts are even used in commercial market electronics. It's really irrelevant HOW capacitors are marked as long anyone using them can know their value and working voltage and tolerance and apply them properly. There are 7 (seven) amateur radio licensees in the USA that could answer to "Al Klein." Are you one of those? I can say without hesitation that I am NOT a licensed amateur. I am a licensed commercial-professional in radio and have been so for 50 years, beginning in military 24/7 big-time HF communications 53 1/2 years ago. I have all sorts of valid documentation on that and some in here have seen some of that. Do you have ANYTHING in the way of ID? On the Internet? Or, are you going to scribble meaningless misdirections in here, attempting to portray some personal "outrage" for being corrected? Especially about a well-known electronic component identification method which you don't seem to know yet others can verify? I'll just put you down as an IMPOSTER poster, one of those wanna-bees who might never have been anything but really, really wants to be someone. That's up to you. I don't care. I've seen your kind on the Internet, on the Bulletin Board Systems since 1984. None have anything worthwhile to contribute but all wanting to be a SOMEBODY on screens. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On 17 Aug 2006 15:26:18 -0700, "
wrote: Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. No, first YOU misunderstood "didn't escape being color coded" as meaning "didn't get color coded". Then you tried to weasel out of looking like the ass you are by looking even more stupid. You're not worth my time. plonk |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? - Mark, Just ignore them.
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:33:22 GMT, Slow Code wrote:
wrote in : I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! and yet you dare to attack others for there mistakes take the lumps you earn OM or bow out Since I have you killfiled, I didn't see the original post, Markie, and I probably won't see your reply if you post one, but dyslexia doesn't excuse you for this one. Google has my original post, so I have no need to defend what others don't understand. Yes, Murky, it's YOUR mistake ... again. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, " wrote: From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read. I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-) That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish). If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-) Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault." Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to correct your mistakes! :-) who that we know does that Sound Like Len remind you of a certain exMarine we know and loathe Here's some more to chew on: RFCs (Radio Frequency Chokes, inductors) in axial-lead plastic tubular packages are STILL marked with color-code bands. There's a MIL SPEC on that as all "long-time design engineers" should know; such parts are even used in commercial market electronics. It's really irrelevant HOW capacitors are marked as long anyone using them can know their value and working voltage and tolerance and apply them properly. There are 7 (seven) amateur radio licensees in the USA that could answer to "Al Klein." Are you one of those? I can say without hesitation that I am NOT a licensed amateur. I am a licensed commercial-professional in radio and have been so for 50 years, beginning in military 24/7 big-time HF communications 53 1/2 years ago. I have all sorts of valid documentation on that and some in here have seen some of that. Do you have ANYTHING in the way of ID? On the Internet? Or, are you going to scribble meaningless misdirections in here, attempting to portray some personal "outrage" for being corrected? Especially about a well-known electronic component identification method which you don't seem to know yet others can verify? I'll just put you down as an IMPOSTER poster, one of those wanna-bees who might never have been anything but really, really wants to be someone. That's up to you. I don't care. I've seen your kind on the Internet, on the Bulletin Board Systems since 1984. None have anything worthwhile to contribute but all wanting to be a SOMEBODY on screens. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? - Mark, Just ignore them.
Al Klein wrote: On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:33:22 GMT, Slow Code wrote: wrote in : I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! and yet you dare to attack others for there mistakes take the lumps you earn OM or bow out Since I have you killfiled, I didn't see the original post, Markie, and I probably won't see your reply if you post one, but dyslexia doesn't excuse you for this one. Google has my original post, so I have no need to defend what others don't understand. Yes, Murky, it's YOUR mistake ... again. nope yours but then you make so many and adknowledge none of them killfile away of course it leaves little ornothing to post about |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Al Klein on Thurs, Aug 17 2006 6:46 pm
On 17 Aug 2006 15:26:18 -0700, " wrote: Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. No, first YOU misunderstood "didn't escape being color coded" as meaning "didn't get color coded". What is to "misunderstand?" Brian Burke wrote in that fashion, perhaps too colloquially for your absolutely-literal standards of English, but it was perfectly clear to most readers here. Then you tried to weasel out of looking like the ass you are by looking even more stupid. Trying to insult those who challenge your "knowledge" of electronic components isn't going to win you any points. The FACT is that capacitors and axial-lead inductors have been color-coded for decades. That can be verified by looking at component manufacturers' catalogs and several textbooks (even going back to the ITT "Green Bible" of the 50s) as well as the ARRL Handbooks (several years worth). You call that "stupid?" I wouldn't. Any self-respecting worker who has been in electronics for years wouldn't. Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Your definition of "stupidity" seems to be that of ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU or one who DOES NOT HONOR AND BOW-DOWN TO YOUR SUPPOSED MAJESTY AS AN AMATEUR. Unfortunately, those "definitions" seem endemic to pro-coders, those who insist on keeping a morse code test for amateur radio into the far future. That viewpoint is entirely EMOTIONAL based on your own experiences, has no validity in the supposed "necessity" of keeping that morse code test in USA amateur radio licensing. "You did it so everyone else has to..." That's a selfish, self-righteous viewpoint in my opinion. It confuses the actual necessities of a government regulating agency trying to mitigate many, many users of the civil radio spectrum with some fraternal-organization in-house "rules" of just one radio service out of many, "rules" that were established decades ago. You cannot support your "cause" with anything but throwing personal insults at your challengers. You have already LOST your arguments concerning the morse code test issue. You win NOTHING except in your imagination. It is even worse, perhaps sociopathic in that over-the-top self-righteousness, to claim you are a "better human being" just for having taken a morse code test...as an AMATEUR. You seem to look down your royal nose at all who wish to remove the code test from amateur radio licensing. Especially so when you cannot establish your bona fides of "long-term experience" supposedly in radio beyond amateur activities. You're not worth my time. Obviously not, "your majesty." :-) Here's a suggestion: Drop the "outraged" act and start thinking about the SUBJECT, not your own emotionalism. One good way to make you feel better to yourself is to find a morsemanship-support group. Such a group can sit around and praise one another. Makes all in the group warm and fuzzy holding the same opinion. Its also a way to hold off the future and any changes in regulations, but only within your own fantasies. An alternative is to just LEAVE rec.radio.amateur.policy. Few in here see you as the Final Arbiter of what is "good" and what is "bad" in amateurism. Leave or stay. Your choice. Matters not to me. Government will continue - in a democratic-process fashion - to serve ALL citizens, not just one group of radio spectrum users. A group, I might add, that is a distinct MINORITY of all radio users. Think on that. [few pro-coders do] |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
an old friend wrote: wrote: From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, " wrote: From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read. I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-) That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish). If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-) Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault." Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to correct your mistakes! :-) who that we know does that Sound Like Len remind you of a certain exMarine we know and loathe It's a "sort-of" reminder, Mark, but let's clear up something: I don't personally "loathe" this "exmarine." That person isn't worth much in here, always insulting those who just disagree with his viewpoint. It's not possible to have any sort of dialogue with Major Dud. :-) It's pretty much the same with all the self-righteous, ultra- conservative (about the code test) pro-coders. Sigh. As to Klein, all he seems to want in here is to FIGHT. In that regard he is a clone of Robeson and first cousin to several others in here. He is too haughty to correspond with anyone who disagrees with him. Perhaps someone once jammed an IC above his arm? He has been going around "with a chip on his 'shoulder'" ever since... :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? - Mark, Just ignore them.
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ups.com: an old friend wrote: wrote: From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, " wrote: From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read. I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-) That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish). If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-) Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault." Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to correct your mistakes! :-) who that we know does that Sound Like Len remind you of a certain exMarine we know and loathe It's a "sort-of" reminder, Mark, but let's clear up something: I don't personally "loathe" this "exmarine." That person isn't worth much in here, always insulting those who just disagree with his viewpoint. It's not possible to have any sort of dialogue with Major Dud. :-) It's pretty much the same with all the self-righteous, ultra- conservative (about the code test) pro-coders. Sigh. As to Klein, all he seems to want in here is to FIGHT. In that regard he is a clone of Robeson and first cousin to several others in here. He is too haughty to correspond with anyone who disagrees with him. Perhaps someone once jammed an IC above his arm? He has been going around "with a chip on his 'shoulder'" ever since... :-) Mark, Just ignore them. They only tease you because of the stupid things you say when you follow up. Just ignore them and they'll give up. Stop giving them reasons to tease you. It only makes you look more stupid. Take a break from the radio groups for a while, Maybe work on your moon bounce some more. SC |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Very Robesonesque. Hello Brian, This "dispute manufacturing" technique probably predates Robeson by centuries... :-) Anyway, it is an old, old technique of computer-modem comms and was seen on ARPANET back before the first BBSs existed. It's a way of bluff by the "manufacturer" to get around actually replying to some challenge made by others. That's usually accompanied by the manufacturer's veiled or outright personal insults levelled against the challenger. Robeson uses the latter more than the former. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? - Mark, Just ignore them.
Slow Code wrote: " wrote in ups.com: From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, " wrote: From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap wrote: From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: wrote: How did capacitors escape getting color coded? ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't. Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica. Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were marked with color bands and were on the market for at least 15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube and transistor architecture electronics). ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950 and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-) Try reading what I wrote. Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read. I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID! Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-) That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish). If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-) Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault." Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to correct your mistakes! :-) Here's some more to chew on: RFCs (Radio Frequency Chokes, inductors) in axial-lead plastic tubular packages are STILL marked with color-code bands. There's a MIL SPEC on that as all "long-time design engineers" should know; such parts are even used in commercial market electronics. It's really irrelevant HOW capacitors are marked as long anyone using them can know their value and working voltage and tolerance and apply them properly. There are 7 (seven) amateur radio licensees in the USA that could answer to "Al Klein." Are you one of those? I can say without hesitation that I am NOT a licensed amateur. I am a licensed commercial-professional in radio and have been so for 50 years, beginning in military 24/7 big-time HF communications 53 1/2 years ago. I have all sorts of valid documentation on that and some in here have seen some of that. Do you have ANYTHING in the way of ID? On the Internet? Or, are you going to scribble meaningless misdirections in here, attempting to portray some personal "outrage" for being corrected? Especially about a well-known electronic component identification method which you don't seem to know yet others can verify? I'll just put you down as an IMPOSTER poster, one of those wanna-bees who might never have been anything but really, really wants to be someone. That's up to you. I don't care. I've seen your kind on the Internet, on the Bulletin Board Systems since 1984. None have anything worthwhile to contribute but all wanting to be a SOMEBODY on screens. Mark, Just ignore them. Hey, "Slow," you might want to check your message headers a bit more carefully. I am not Mark. Neither am I a "mark" for con games. :-) They only tease you because of the stupid things you say when you follow up. Just ignore them and they'll give up. Oh, my, another one with "stupid." Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) Stop giving them reasons to tease you. It only makes you look more stupid. Yup, a fledgling "dispute manufacturer" busy practicing... Take a break from the radio groups for a while, Maybe work on your moon bounce some more. "Slow," I've been involved in radio for 53 years. Most of that time as a professional. As a part of that, I once "worked" a station ON the moon. No bounce needed. Quarter million mile DX. Can you top that as an amateur? :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: Slow Code wrote: " wrote in ups.com: Mark, Just ignore them. Hey, "Slow," you might want to check your message headers a bit more carefully. I am not Mark. Neither am I a "mark" for con games. :-) it seems that Slowcode think I am some secret maniolator (or is just realy stupid about programing jammer bots They only tease you because of the stupid things you say when you follow up. Just ignore them and they'll give up. Oh, my, another one with "stupid." Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) Stop giving them reasons to tease you. It only makes you look more stupid. Yup, a fledgling "dispute manufacturer" busy practicing... Take a break from the radio groups for a while, Maybe work on your moon bounce some more. "Slow," I've been involved in radio for 53 years. Most of that time as a professional. As a part of that, I once "worked" a station ON the moon. No bounce needed. Quarter million mile DX. Can you top that as an amateur? :-) I csn about match that Lenn not quite but close |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: an old friend on Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:18 pm
wrote: Slow Code wrote: " wrote in ups.com: Mark, Just ignore them. Hey, "Slow," you might want to check your message headers a bit more carefully. I am not Mark. Neither am I a "mark" for con games. :-) it seems that Slowcode think I am some secret maniolator (or is just realy stupid about programing jammer bots He seems CONFUSED. Maybe that's a result of hearing all that beeping morse code? :-) He sent his "reply" to me TWICE... tsk,tsk :-) "Slow," I've been involved in radio for 53 years. Most of that time as a professional. As a part of that, I once "worked" a station ON the moon. No bounce needed. Quarter million mile DX. Can you top that as an amateur? :-) I csn about match that Lenn not quite but close Noooooo. I worked a STATION on the moon, namely one of the ALSEP (Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package). Sent a command to the SWS (Solar Wind Spectrometer) part, got the response back on earth. Two-way. The ALSEPs are now silent, nobody can work them. :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: wrote: Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Very Robesonesque. Hello Brian, This "dispute manufacturing" technique probably predates Robeson by centuries... :-) Anyway, it is an old, old technique of computer-modem comms and was seen on ARPANET back before the first BBSs existed. It's a way of bluff by the "manufacturer" to get around actually replying to some challenge made by others. That's usually accompanied by the manufacturer's veiled or outright personal insults levelled against the challenger. Robeson uses the latter more than the former. His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Very Robesonesque. Hello Brian, This "dispute manufacturing" technique probably predates Robeson by centuries... :-) Anyway, it is an old, old technique of computer-modem comms and was seen on ARPANET back before the first BBSs existed. It's a way of bluff by the "manufacturer" to get around actually replying to some challenge made by others. That's usually accompanied by the manufacturer's veiled or outright personal insults levelled against the challenger. Robeson uses the latter more than the former. His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. Quite true, Brian. Those of us who were here 1 to 2 years ago had an eyefull of his continuous - but faulty - efforts to "tell" us all about His fantasy of things. :-) Mainly it was his abject refusal to back down when faced with definitive directives by the government (DoD) in regard to the Military Affiliate Radio System. Weeks went by without his admitting that the Directive existed. His final communication on the subject would NOT openly admit to error but was laced with more personal insults on his challengers. Sad. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not. You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and implied a number of things, all without any referencible data. Very Robesonesque. Hello Brian, This "dispute manufacturing" technique probably predates Robeson by centuries... :-) Anyway, it is an old, old technique of computer-modem comms and was seen on ARPANET back before the first BBSs existed. It's a way of bluff by the "manufacturer" to get around actually replying to some challenge made by others. That's usually accompanied by the manufacturer's veiled or outright personal insults levelled against the challenger. Robeson uses the latter more than the former. His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. Quite true, Brian. Those of us who were here 1 to 2 years ago had an eyefull of his continuous - but faulty - efforts to "tell" us all about His fantasy of things. :-) Little Billy Beeper had him pegged - he's nuts. Mainly it was his abject refusal to back down when faced with definitive directives by the government (DoD) in regard to the Military Affiliate Radio System. Such complete ignorance of MARS, yet somehow, he claims that he was the Assistant NCOIC of a NMC MARS Station on Okinawa. Simply unbeleivable. Weeks went by without his admitting that the Directive existed. His final communication on the subject would NOT openly admit to error but was laced with more personal insults on his challengers. Sad. Accusations and insults. Whichever grad student locks on to him first is one lucky SOB. All the work is done. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: From: on Thurs, Aug 10 2006 8:48 pm Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap Al Klein wrote: On 9 Aug 2006 19:14:54 -0700, wrote: You couldn't be more wrong. If there were practical exams for SSB, FM, AM, FSTV, SSTV, RTTY (which is pretty darned old), packet, PSK, etc, then it would be CRYSTAL clear that a Morse Code exam is valid. However, there are no such practical exams for the other modes. So there need be no exam for Morse Code, either. That's my point - there's no test any longer. For anything more than the ability to memorize answers. Lots of memorization was required in your day. It's only a bad thing in 1992 to present. I think I get your drift... Selective amnesia. "No one had to memorize anything" prior 1992. Not in grade school, not in college, not in industry, not in real life. Strange perception... Selective amnesia... With the advent of the No-Code Technician license, memorization became a bad, bad thing. Ummm? There's no Morse Code test anymore? The International Morse Code test for United States amateur radio license classes General and Extra have NEVER GONE AWAY. That is especially true in the perception of the ARRL which still manages to insert the "necessities" for morsemanship in nearly everything it publishes. It's been six decades since Hiram Percy became ultimate DX but they still keep on with their demand that all [US] amateurs be proficient in that old mode. Most issues of QST have a minimum of at least one walk down memory lane, usually with a key or keyer in one hand. The Conditional was whatever class was being tested for, but not at an FCC office. It had nothing to do with the class, only with the location. What current exam? Memorizing answers and writing them down isn't a test. So what is it that you fear? Klein fears CHANGE and, perhaps, feelings of obsolescence. I think everyone has some of that to one degree or another. It's unhealthy to allow that fear to paralyze you. Someone who has been a regular worker in electronics (radio is a subset of electronics) ought to damn well know and recognize that the state of the art in electronics has been CONSTANTLY changing. It's sometimes a chore to keep up, whether it be 1950 or 2000 or any time in-between. There will be new challenges before us tomorrow, but we won't know about them. We will still be arguing if a morse code exam is necessary. You'd probably be weeded out pretty quickly. I doubt it - if I couldn't pass an Extra theory exam - a real one, not the nonsense that passes for one these days - I'd lose my job in a second. Mmmm. I see. You are a careerist in the electronics industry and it ****es you off that hobbyists have equal "status" as you in amatuer radio. I've run across a lot of that in the past 20 years... I've run across a lot of that my entire life. :-) I think Klein wants recognition as a "professional amateur" or "amateur professional." I'm not sure which... He's a professional whiner. What if you addressed what I said when you answer me? Your dishonest tactics are transparent. You're the one that forgot the circuit, not me. Get ****ed at your own self. When in doubt of an effective reply, these Fundamentalist Morseodists must resort to some form of denigration. Sigh, they never learn... My dishonest, transparent tactics... Odd, saying what you mean and meaning what you say have become dishonest. Quit putting words in my mouth. I wasn't complaining to anyone, and we weren't discussing remembering 50 year old tests. Correct. "WE" weren't discussing it. YOU were. YOU were discussing how you can't draw what you can't remember. This is an indicator that Klein isn't used to computer-modem communications. He isn't looking beyond his own screen and understanding that others are separated from it in time and space. "He" was obviously talking about "old days" of "His." He is not considering that others do not share his viewpoints. I regret to inform Mr Klein that I do not agree with him. Considering the Type of Oscillator and "names," he has put Names as somehow "essential" to the circuit. NO SUCH THING. An oscillator is simply an amplifier of just-barely-past-unity gain with positive feedback. The Names were tacked on by academics long, long ago as IDENTIFICATION of the general form of amplification-with-positive-feedback. I'm surprised that Klein allows any feedback in his oscillator circuits. One can build a Colpitts oscillator, make it work, and continue calling it a Hartley. Won't make a bit of difference to the circuit...electrons don't give a damn about human labels. They work by THEIR laws, not humans' with their imperative labels. By the way, on a quick bit of checking, I've got text references to about 11 different oscillator forms, not just two (with his unknown third type)...and I'm not counting free-running multi- vibrators which are also very much an "oscillator." Talk of any kind of vibrator might draw inuendo from robesin. Maybe we should have one - show the ability to put a clean PSK signal on the air. Show the ability to interpret a waterfall display. Show the ability to tell the difference between various digital modes. The bands would be pretty QRM-free. YES!!! [ no... ] Huh? Lets let the FCC tell us that it is impractical to have everyone take mode exams. Or lets let the council of VECs tul us the same thing. If you are ever going to save your beloved Morse Code test, this is the only way you're going to do it. The only way to "save his beloved morse code test" is to have the ARRL exercise some BETTER brainwashing than it has been doing for decades. The League is still trying to use its old persuasion and, so far, hasn't been able to get memberships from the 3/4 of all licensed US radio amateurs who are NOT ARRL members... If the league pushes the morse testing issue too hard, it will become obvious to the 25% that are members. I think it is you who don't know where you're going with this discussion. It's gone beyond your having grief over your favorite mode to actually having to think about the future of the service. Conggrats. Another couple of years of RRAP tutoring and you just might become a rational being. I disagree, Brian. Klein is a MORSEMAN. They don't change. They are rooted in old days long gone, brainwashed early into thinking that morsemanship is "essential" to "best" radio communication. It isn't...easily proved by ALL the OTHER radio services giving up on morse code as a mode (if they had it once) or never requiring it since a radio service began. Actuarial tables abound to deal with that kind of thinking. Who said that? We absolutely NEED relevant exams. That is my whole argument! So you're in favor of exams that test knowledge of theory? "Draw the schematic of ..."? "Explain why long path 2400 bps is impossible on 14 MHz"? That kind of relevance? Sure. But you have to ask yourself one question. Can the average VE administer such an exam? If not, can your average GS-7 FCC employee administer such an exam? If you set up an exam that only an engineer can administer, then your government isn't going to accept it. So be realistic in your zeal. Klein hasn't considered the simple fact that, by law, the VEs do NOT have to be trained test-adminsters. They are simply VOLINTEERS who have the requisite license class and GIVE OF THEIR OWN TIME to adminster tests. VEs are accountable only to the FCC in that volunteer testing. VEs' only "penalty" in mis-administering an amateur test is a reduction in license class or forteiture of their amateur license. Klein and his "tests aren't like they were in 'my' time" bitchers and moaners HAD their chance to keep privatization in testing from happening long ago. Legal means to stop it by NPRM Commentary didn't make their case. Privatization happened for BOTH amateur and commercial licenses. Now their whine is long past its time and has turned to vinegar. Yep. Testing must become more "legitimate" for hobbyists than for professionals. Or the "pick the answer with the resistor like we showed you in the example" kind of relevance? The exam can be anything your VEC wants it to be. We learned this when the ARRL went from administering a Morse Code Exam at 5WPM to administering a Farnsworth Exam at 13-15WPM. True enough, Brian, but expect ten kinds of flak from the other morsepersons in here on that... :-) Quack, Quack! Water off a duck's back. The VEC can LEGALLY generate a Question Pool with ONE HUNDRED times the minimum required number of questions. With electronic transmittal over the Internet the Question Pool can be updated within 24 hours to ALL VE groups. But everytime the NCVEC solicits for questions and participants for the QP revisions, guys like Klein are silent; absent. Say the FCC requires a minimum of 50 questions on a written test element. If the VEC QPC generates the Question-Answer pool with FIVE THOUSAND QUESTIONS (and answers), it should be obvious that mere "memorization" sufficient to pass that written test element is out of the question. Anyone who CAN memorize that prodigious amount is already gifted as an eidetic and those are extremely rare among humans. Klein will claim that all are eidetic, and the new QP is unfair. What all that concentration on the "written tests" is about is just a DIVERSION to keep from replying on the singular morse code test continuation. The morsemen just haven't been able to come up with sufficently-valid reasons to keep the morse test (other than the emotional ones) so they smoke-screen by bringing up the writtens. Old tactic of theirs. Old and tired. How do you draw a schematic Memorization. Correct. and explain the functions of parts by memorizing answers? Memorization. Correct again. You can't explain phase shift by memorizing "10k" or "coil". You can't memorize the def of phase shift? C'mon, aren't you supposed to be in the industry? We don't know WHERE, Brian, or for WHOM. :-) Sounds like Jim. I used radios in the military. I never used a CW key in the military. I never jammed another operator, although Brandywine asked me to reduce power once. But you had to learn how to use the radios. I did? They just gave you a radio and said "use it"? On/Off and PTT. What else is there??? [ ahem..."volume" and "squelch" to name two... :-) ] Oh, yeh, a magnetic compass and a chart where the satellite is. Darn you "kids!" Weren't any of those newfangled gizmos like "satellites" when I was in the Army. :-) 1957. The Russians. Sputnik. CW beacon signal on 20M. And I wasn't born yet. But the technilogy was worthwhile and moved forward - without morse code. The AN/PRC-8 backpack VHF transceivers (one of which I wore in PIP Training) also had VFO frequency control along with a built-in "crystal calibrator." Nothing like the "channel selection" of a later synthesized AN/PRC-25 (also FM on VHF). Interesting engineering feat with that VFO control over a military temperature and vibration environment. Copied from the old SCR-300 "walkie-talkie" of WW2, devised by Motorola (also FM on VHF). But, I digress, that was Practical Theory as applied by professional engineering, used by professional military people...didn't have the majesty of AMATEURISM and all its nobility (and class distinctions). Now we've got FM repeater satellites getting kicked out by the dozens. Hams today don't - they memorize a few answers, buy equipment and get on the air - with no understanding of what they're doing, and no desire to learn. Then it hasn't changed much since you were first licensed. When I was licensed you had to show an understanding of theory, by answering questions that were more than just multiple choice from a published answer pool. Yes, you had to memorize paragraphs instead of multiple choices. Big deal. Good grief, all that crying and wailing over Test Privatization! Maybe we should take up a collection to send him some Kleenex? Robesin will interpret that as some kind of sexual inuendo. Seems to me that COLLEGE-level course tests that I took had a LOT of memorization. Maybe we should all slam the academic world for doing the same "memorization?" Hey, why not, all those who failed college level courses can get a Wailing Wall! Bill Gates at the wailing wall? My state drivers' license testing is done from multiple-choice and that requires MUCH memorization of the applicable laws. While the CA DMV does not publish the EXACT answers, the have lots and lots of examples, not only well-publicized but available free in little booklets at each DMV office. Maybe Klein wants me to take an ME degree course in automotive engineering just to drive our Malibu MAXX? :-) I sure hope he doesn't answer that question. You may, but I can see from many of the comments that have been posted here that a lot of people don't. They don't want to learn, they want to get on the air. Period. W3RV didn't wait to get a ham license before operating! He just wanted to get on the air. Period. Point? All you wonderful OF's taking trips down memory lane forget that some of your brother hams were bootleggers. It's only the unwashed No-code Techs that operate illegally. Hi!!! What a stinking load. Brian, if you check out the "official" history of the ARRL you will find out that they BEGAN in trying to circumvent the commercial telegram system with a relaying of messages past the commercial boundaries and FEES. If that were reported today, the journalists would call it "hacking." Oh, oh. If you must retain a Morse Code Exam, then you must also administer practical exams for SSB, FM, AM, FSTV, SSTV, RTTY (which is pretty darned old), packet, PSK, etc. I have no problem with that. Then go for it. It is the ONLY legitimate recourse you have for retaining the Morse Code exam. Best of luck. I hope he tries it. I'm anxious to find out how much hostility he will engender from his fellow amateurs who are VEs...how they have to spend many more hours (of their own time) in testing each license applicant (separately). Ought to go over like a concrete balloon... Forced learning of Morse Code... Trained as an EE. Spent years designing RF circuitry, then went into digital design. "Is", not yet "was" - I'm still alive. Are you drawing a pension from it? "Was." Are you drawing a paycheck from it? "Is." And it's so typical for Old Timers to forget that not everyone in the ARS are CAREERIST PROFESSIONALS. Bitching and Moaning about how everyone else doesn't know as much as them. Klein has yet to define his own label, whether it is "professional amateur" or "amateur professional." He seems undecided. I'm one of the (chronological) Olde Fahrts in this group but I pray to God that I won't ever get as bad as some of them with their retro attitudes and fixations with modes of their long- ago youth, the ultra importance of CLASS and RANK. Geez. You'd think that some of them regard amateur radio like the USMC! ["the few, the ultra proud (of morsemanship)"] I'm just a beginner. Passed my Novice Exam in November 1986. Let's have a test that shows whether the testee knows anything. Remember that you are handsomely compensated for your professional knowledge. Amateur Radio is a non-compensated hobby. Some of these Olde Fahrts seem to think their amateurism is on some kind of "higher plane" than ordinary, plebian, work. They be BETTER than the pros and keep reinforcing each other with that pipe-dream. After all, the ARRL keeps reminding them of their greatness, their "service to their country" (by having their hobby). To hear them talk the nation would immediately fall apart without these federally-licensed hobbyists! Don't know if you've heard yet, but the ARRL and robesin announced that MARS and TSA have an agreement for armageddon communications. We'll have to get Mr. Webster to work coming up with a better definition of the hobby. Is it "professional amateurism" or "amateur professionalism?" I opt for the latter but others may differ. Beep, beep... Didit. |
Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like hams, they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW is important and fun. All they see is hams gabbing on a microphone like any CB'er can do. SC Actually a lot of tghe boy scouts know morse code, they still arent intersted in ham radio. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dirk" wrote in message ... Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a lives. :-( Hams could save more lives by supporting a blood drive than than standing by waiting for that emergency to use morse code. I hear about hams supporting public service, my daughter DID 75 hrs of public service last year as a ten year old Girl Scout. I learned CW even got up to 20 wpm but I dont think it should be any more of a requirement than any other mode of operation. There is a lot of hams who may not be able to save anyones lives but they could save their own by turning off the radio for an hour and taking a walk |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 1:55 pm
wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: His, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." would make a good, quick, clean case study for some grad student of psychology. It has all of the elements of that pathology and google serves it up in seconds. Quite true, Brian. Those of us who were here 1 to 2 years ago had an eyefull of his continuous - but faulty - efforts to "tell" us all about His fantasy of things. :-) Little Billy Beeper had him pegged - he's nuts. True enough. :-( Mainly it was his abject refusal to back down when faced with definitive directives by the government (DoD) in regard to the Military Affiliate Radio System. Such complete ignorance of MARS, yet somehow, he claims that he was the Assistant NCOIC of a NMC MARS Station on Okinawa. Simply unbeleivable. It gets worse. Go to the QRZ bio page for K4YZ and use his link to his AOL Home Page. There he claims not only an Assistant "CHOP" (presumably CHief OPerator) but as THE CHOP of another MARS station! He'd never mentioned being at that 2nd MARS station in here. Weeks went by without his admitting that the Directive existed. His final communication on the subject would NOT openly admit to error but was laced with more personal insults on his challengers. Sad. Accusations and insults. Whichever grad student locks on to him first is one lucky SOB. All the work is done. Yeah, but look at the MASSIVE outpouring of his claims, insults, and generally vague, undetailed personal history of his. Whoever takes it on will probably need a dozen file cabinets to store all the printouts! :-) [a fine example of today's Extra class amateur licensee...] |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
jawod wrote: [a fine example of today's Extra class amateur licensee...] You want to slam all Extras because of one lid? Perhaps that same psych grad student has some prime real estate closer to (your) home? well there Is Robeson and Wismen Heil is better than them but.. How many example does one need? right now the sample rate isn't very good of Extras that are not members of NCI given your non disclosed call status you certainly don't count |
Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
Slow Code wrote: "Jimmie D" wrote in : Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like hams, they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW is important and fun. that is becuase it isn't important and fun for some it is neither but it is not important in the modern world period |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: jawod on Sun, Aug 20 2006 8:45 pm
[a fine example of today's Extra class amateur licensee...] You want to slam all Extras because of one lid? Tsk, tsk, tsk, anony-mousie "Jawod," that LID is doing the "slamming," not I. :-) Why are YOU so upset, "Jawod?" You don't exist. You are a mere figment of your own imagination. The FCC doesn't license figments... Perhaps that same psych grad student has some prime real estate closer to (your) home? Which home? The one in California or the one in Washington (state)? :-) As far as the southern home is concerned, its address has been printed with every article I had published in HAM RADIO magazine. It's still the same address. No problem on "knowing psych" people. Graduates...of USC, (University of California) of UI (University of Illinois), of University of Wisconsin at Madison. "Students?" Not greatly acquainted with any, only their instructors. My wife has two Masters Degrees, one of which required a thorough education in mental health...and she was licensed in two states for private practice. "Jawod," what you just attempted to do was INTIMIDATE through suggestion. Old, old BLUFF. Didn't work, of course, but you just had to try the bully game, didn't you? :-) That bluff-intimidation ploy has been used for years and years on BBSs and Internet...almost always by those too cowardly to reveal their true identity. [few of us would be "scared" if we found out how you REALLY are...] Try not to be such a blatant bull****ter in the future, OK? Beep, beep and bye-eeee... |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm
wrote: From: on Thurs, Aug 10 2006 8:48 pm Al Klein wrote: On 9 Aug 2006 19:14:54 -0700, wrote: That's my point - there's no test any longer. For anything more than the ability to memorize answers. Lots of memorization was required in your day. It's only a bad thing in 1992 to present. I think I get your drift... Selective amnesia. "No one had to memorize anything" prior 1992. Not in grade school, not in college, not in industry, not in real life. Strange perception... Selective amnesia... With the advent of the No-Code Technician license, memorization became a bad, bad thing. Tsk. Brian, there's another individual for study by that psych student. Ummm? There's no Morse Code test anymore? The International Morse Code test for United States amateur radio license classes General and Extra have NEVER GONE AWAY. That is especially true in the perception of the ARRL which still manages to insert the "necessities" for morsemanship in nearly everything it publishes. It's been six decades since Hiram Percy became ultimate DX but they still keep on with their demand that all [US] amateurs be proficient in that old mode. Most issues of QST have a minimum of at least one walk down memory lane, usually with a key or keyer in one hand. ARRL views itself as "representative" of the ARS. Unfortunately, the 'ARS' stands for Amateur Radiotelegraphy Society. What current exam? Memorizing answers and writing them down isn't a test. So what is it that you fear? Klein fears CHANGE and, perhaps, feelings of obsolescence. I think everyone has some of that to one degree or another. It's unhealthy to allow that fear to paralyze you. Yes and no. When it comes to Status-Rank-Privilege the fear of LOSS of those seems to take on a life of its own. They are SOMEBODIES at present, complete with federally-authorized permission and certificates (suitable for framing) to "prove" that. Take away the status, the rank, and perhaps privileges and they are (in their own perception) "lesser beings." That seems to work with the normal prime survival rule in humans. Someone who has been a regular worker in electronics (radio is a subset of electronics) ought to damn well know and recognize that the state of the art in electronics has been CONSTANTLY changing. It's sometimes a chore to keep up, whether it be 1950 or 2000 or any time in-between. There will be new challenges before us tomorrow, but we won't know about them. We will still be arguing if a morse code exam is necessary. True. "Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday." :-) Mmmm. I see. You are a careerist in the electronics industry and it ****es you off that hobbyists have equal "status" as you in amatuer radio. I've run across a lot of that in the past 20 years... I've run across a lot of that my entire life. :-) I think Klein wants recognition as a "professional amateur" or "amateur professional." I'm not sure which... He's a professional whiner. :-) What if you addressed what I said when you answer me? Your dishonest tactics are transparent. You're the one that forgot the circuit, not me. Get ****ed at your own self. When in doubt of an effective reply, these Fundamentalist Morseodists must resort to some form of denigration. Sigh, they never learn... My dishonest, transparent tactics... Odd, saying what you mean and meaning what you say have become dishonest. Klein is just a teeny bit more civil than Major Dud. Robeson just shouts "LIAR! LIAR!" :-) Quit putting words in my mouth. I wasn't complaining to anyone, and we weren't discussing remembering 50 year old tests. Correct. "WE" weren't discussing it. YOU were. YOU were discussing how you can't draw what you can't remember. This is an indicator that Klein isn't used to computer-modem communications. He isn't looking beyond his own screen and understanding that others are separated from it in time and space. "He" was obviously talking about "old days" of "His." He is not considering that others do not share his viewpoints. I regret to inform Mr Klein that I do not agree with him. I also don't agree with him. Maybe he's gotten the message? Considering the Type of Oscillator and "names," he has put Names as somehow "essential" to the circuit. NO SUCH THING. An oscillator is simply an amplifier of just-barely-past-unity gain with positive feedback. The Names were tacked on by academics long, long ago as IDENTIFICATION of the general form of amplification-with-positive-feedback. I'm surprised that Klein allows any feedback in his oscillator circuits. Positive feedback (pro-code type) allowed. Negative feedback is "dishonest." :-) Maybe we should have one - show the ability to put a clean PSK signal on the air. Show the ability to interpret a waterfall display. Show the ability to tell the difference between various digital modes. The bands would be pretty QRM-free. YES!!! [ no... ] Huh? Lets let the FCC tell us that it is impractical to have everyone take mode exams. Or lets let the council of VECs tul us the same thing. Klein, armed only with an air of self-importance and inflated claims of experience, is shooting from the lip. IF and only IF such a "practical test" were imposed, the time of testing EACH license applicant would increase dramatically. VEs would have to spend at least a day's worth of time on each applicant. I think VEs would object to such enforced labor in a Volunteer task. As with other proponents of a "practical test," Klein hasn't explained WHO will maintain the equipment necessary for such "practical tests" nor make up the much-more-complicated test tasks and grading. Who will pay for the equipment that would cover "everything" as to modes and operations? The FCC? The VECs? Who will pay the VEs for their (essentially) "jobs"? Klein assigns an importance and ability of AMATEUR activities in radio far higher than professional ones. This is wrong, but it serves his and other pro-coders self-image of being "better" because they passed tests lobbied-for by those of the same mindset. If the league pushes the morse testing issue too hard, it will become obvious to the 25% that are members. I don't think so. The Amateur Radiotelegraphy Society is very firmly SET in their ideas of keeping the "heritage" and "tradition" of being a living museum of archaic radio. Those firm believers and worshippers at the Church of St. Hiram are disciples and they haven't had their last supper yet. I think it is you who don't know where you're going with this discussion. It's gone beyond your having grief over your favorite mode to actually having to think about the future of the service. Conggrats. Another couple of years of RRAP tutoring and you just might become a rational being. I disagree, Brian. Klein is a MORSEMAN. They don't change. They are rooted in old days long gone, brainwashed early into thinking that morsemanship is "essential" to "best" radio communication. It isn't...easily proved by ALL the OTHER radio services giving up on morse code as a mode (if they had it once) or never requiring it since a radio service began. Actuarial tables abound to deal with that kind of thinking. That's a draconian sort of realism...but, unfortunately true. Believers can be extremely stubborn. "The only way you'll stop morse code is to pry my code key from my cold, dead fingers" isn't an idle threat. Morsemen as SOMEBODIES and they will hold that banner high even as they crumble. Yep. Testing must become more "legitimate" for hobbyists than for professionals. Self-inflation of importance, meaningless in reality. The exam can be anything your VEC wants it to be. We learned this when the ARRL went from administering a Morse Code Exam at 5WPM to administering a Farnsworth Exam at 13-15WPM. True enough, Brian, but expect ten kinds of flak from the other morsepersons in here on that... :-) Quack, Quack! Water off a duck's back. :-) The VEC can LEGALLY generate a Question Pool with ONE HUNDRED times the minimum required number of questions. With electronic transmittal over the Internet the Question Pool can be updated within 24 hours to ALL VE groups. But everytime the NCVEC solicits for questions and participants for the QP revisions, guys like Klein are silent; absent. That shows they are only whining, not thinking. In order to preserve their self-image of importance they have to continue whining on how they are so self-important. If they REALLY CARED about their sacred amateurism they would get busy and work at preserving things. Perhaps mumifying instead of preservation... What all that concentration on the "written tests" is about is just a DIVERSION to keep from replying on the singular morse code test continuation. The morsemen just haven't been able to come up with sufficently-valid reasons to keep the morse test (other than the emotional ones) so they smoke-screen by bringing up the writtens. Old tactic of theirs. Old and tired. It is, but they are self-important because of a singular skill test that makes them "better" than others..."better" in ways not even remotely connected to that singular skill test. Seems to me that COLLEGE-level course tests that I took had a LOT of memorization. Maybe we should all slam the academic world for doing the same "memorization?" Hey, why not, all those who failed college level courses can get a Wailing Wall! Bill Gates at the wailing wall? Nah...Bill G. QUIT Harvard "to pursue other interests." :-) He could probably BUY Harvard now...and have lots more left in his petty-cash box. :-) Oh, yeah, and Bill Gates is PRO-CODE! Only problem for hams is that the "code" isn't morse but programming code... :-) Brian, if you check out the "official" history of the ARRL you will find out that they BEGAN in trying to circumvent the commercial telegram system with a relaying of messages past the commercial boundaries and FEES. If that were reported today, the journalists would call it "hacking." Oh, oh. It is TRUE according to the ARRL's own history. But, they've written it (cleverly) so that it LOOKS like some kind of noble thing that "wasn't cheating anyone." :-) Some of these Olde Fahrts seem to think their amateurism is on some kind of "higher plane" than ordinary, plebian, work. They be BETTER than the pros and keep reinforcing each other with that pipe-dream. After all, the ARRL keeps reminding them of their greatness, their "service to their country" (by having their hobby). To hear them talk the nation would immediately fall apart without these federally-licensed hobbyists! Don't know if you've heard yet, but the ARRL and robesin announced that MARS and TSA have an agreement for armageddon communications. Heh heh, I wouldn't doubt it... :-) [via "giant meteor bounce?" ... off the earth, that is? :-) ] I thought Robesin had put on his (invisible) USMC uniform and was busy pounding brass with the USCG offshore from Beirut to evacuate US civilians? :-) |
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