L. wrote:
"jawod" wrote in message ...



RE-READ IT - there were TWO people here in the beginning "splitting hairs"
about the use of or perhaps MIS use of the word "memorization. One was
leaning towards "memorizing" "ANSWERS" purely to satisfy an exam....... i.e;
ABCD.......... it isn't quite that simple. On the other hand, the other
argument was in the "true" sense of the word - TO MEMORIZE (commit to memory
for life).
what it has been about is that couple of folks want to make out that
somehow the NoCodeTechs are some how doing something altogether
different from what has been done for years

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
t...
jawod wrote:
If MENSA membership is important to you, fine. Most of us find it a bit
pretentious and downright silly.

Ditto for the Morse code testing requirement.
That was the whole point.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Let me set something straight. "I" was NOT beating my chest about "CODE". I
was only in the argument with regard to the use/misuse of the word
"Memorization". "I" think code has its place - but not as it once did. It
sure isn't keeping the bands clean by keeping it in place. "I" don't use
code - that often. I think also, it "can" be fun to learn for those who may
want to try it. Some people may - as has been proven, still - others won't -
which also has been proven. THAT IS MY stance on code. As to the
"mis"spelling of "genius", hey - what can I say - I'm human, I DO make
mistakes. I don't rely on "spell check" techniques - so ............ an
error does tend to sneak through from time to time. It doesn't matter one
iota to me if you do code or not. "I" surely am not here to pass judgement
on you or anyone else by that ability or inability (since some DO have
trouble getting it). OR lack of interest "may" be more specific. I have
quite a few people I talk to on the bands who are "NO CODE Techs. They're
not interested in the code - OR wanting to climb any higher in license
class. Its cool with me....... That is their thing - not mine. It sure
doesn't mean we can't have a decent conversation - be it on the air via
repeater, simplex, computer mode or face to face.



L.

L. wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
t...
jawod wrote:
If MENSA membership is important to you, fine. Most of us find it a bit
pretentious and downright silly.

Ditto for the Morse code testing requirement.
That was the whole point.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Let me set something straight. "I" was NOT beating my chest about "CODE
you are however enging a deabte flaming people on side of the map that
tend to get you "counter battery fire sir

face it or not as you choose

a MENSA
level IQ is worth magnitudes more to its possessor than is Morse
code skill even within the Amateur Radio Service. If all the coded
hams with IQ's less than 100 were transformed into nocode techs
with MENSA level IQ's, the ARS would be much better off and a lot
less prone to silliness. The ARRL might even stop publishing those
gross technical errors, e.g. reflections don't exist.
Cecil

you're trolling, aren't you?

If you truly believe this stuff, you're in sadder shape than I thought.

Your MENSA membership is dreck, dribble, dross. With code, there is, at
least, some grounding in practicality: a real world function.

"Whew! I knew I was a genius but now I have PROOF!" How completely sad.

MENSA has perverted the very nature of IQ in a manner not dissimilar to
the way Home Owner Associations have perverted the notion of individual
freedoms (guaranteed by our Constitution).

Enjoy your little trophy but I'm sure you'll keep yourself insulated
from the derision you richly deserve when you bring it up in this newsgroup.

I can tell that you're not a bad guy...but, the mensa thing makes you
seem, I don't know, ...(fill in the blank)

Be Good.
Hell, be more egalitarian for once in your life!
We all share a HOBBY!!!!

John
AB8O

On 12 Aug 2006 15:42:50 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

oncce you accpet that much of the testing involves memizztion the
question then comes down to where is your beef?

Those who memorize answers instead of learning concepts - what you
would have seen at the beginning of the thread had you paid attention.

you tread awfully close to libel there AL

Look up the definition of "libel". Part of it is "malicious
defamation". Calling a penny a cent isn't malicious, nor is it
defamatory.

ask an lawyer if you don't believe me

You need to take your own advice. Also you need to ask an English
teacher - you don't seem to know the definitions of a lot of very
common words.

On 12 Aug 2006 15:43:51 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:41:33 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:
There's a difference between memorizing a formula or method and memorizing
specific answers to specific questions. The former is called learning, and
can be applied to many situations. The latter is called laziness, and
teaches nothing that can be used for any other purpose.

That is just hair-splitting.

The same hair splitting as the difference between stealing money and
earning it - they're both methods of obtaining it.

again you tread close to libel and flatout insaity

There's nothing either malicious not defamatory in that. ("Who" am I
defaming? "Hair"?)

But, since you don't know the difference between "learning" and
"memorizing", nor which subjects fall into which category, you
probably can't see the parallel.

and again

Telling you something true about yourself isn't actionable, unless
done with certain intent, which you'd be hard-pressed to prove.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:13:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:24:46 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

Your claim to know what I'm thinking better than I do? Only if your
age is a single digit.

sure I know better

Then you're claiming to be a child.

your beef has nothing to do with the tests it is to do with end of the
Hazing ritual that is a bout to occour

There's a hazing rule in ham radio? Since when?

sure there is it is called Morse Code testing

You don't win points by redefining words, you just make yourself look
desperate.

no refining word HERE at any rate

If you don't even know the difference between refining and redefining
(they're not even close in meaning), there's no way you can discuss
it. But testing for a license isn't hazing by any accepted definition
regardless of what's being tested for.

you are dancing around sutblies in the menaing of emorizing like mad

In your mind, because you can't understand the simple distinctions.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:10:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:09:02 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

Why don't you stay out of discussions you don't understand? We know
you're a fool, why keep proving it? Read Samuel Clemens, at least.

why don't you stay out of discussions that show so as aold fool not
honest enough he blowing smoke

Parroting what I say doesn't make you look educated.

you are arguing over a difference that does not exist certain not as a
some sharp line

In your mind.

http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

The fact that you posted something on your blog doesn't make it
definitive, or even correct.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:14:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:09:47 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:01:51 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

So exactly what is the "formula or method" for determining Extra
frequency privileges outside of memorizing them?

Since frequency assignments aren't theory, your question is both
irrelevant and incompetent.

since feq assignment are large part of the test they go to the core of
the matter

Another case of your commenting on something you don't understand.
"The core of the matter" is the difference between rote memorization
and understanding - which you don't understand.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:14:59 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:18:11 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

Any knowledgeable person knows that knowledge is valuable for its own
sake.

and also knows that not all knowledge is equaly valuable

There's a difference between "knowledge" as a class and specific
knowledge - something evidently outside the scope of your knowledge.