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January 26th 07, 01:15 AM
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Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote: The human defined unit of time called the second is simply a way to measure time. The universe doesn't age one second with each passing second of subjective-arbitrary Earth time so what good is any estimate of the age of the universe? A scientist living somewhere else in the universe will get an entirely different result. One of the cornerstones of science is that if the results are not reproducible everywhere at every time then they are invalid. Nonsense. The universe most certainly does age one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second was defined. If a scientist living somewhere else in the universe uses the same frame of reference, he will get the same result. If he uses a different frame of reference, he will get a different result which can be converted to our frame of reference and the result will be the same. GPS satellites are in a different frame of reference but manage to provide results that agree with our frame of reference. What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 01:32 AM
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January 26th 07, 02:25 AM
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John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. Garbage in, garbage out ... A frame of reference which is in error is subject to that rule ... end of story. Babbling word salad. Then again, there are those without a snowball's chance in hell of ever understanding what frame of reference means. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 02:29 AM
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January 26th 07, 03:05 AM
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John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... ever understanding what frame of reference means. Nope, sounds like my goldfish in the bowl would satisfy some here ... Sounds like you either need more education or less alcohol/drugs. Maybe both. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 03:08 AM
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January 26th 07, 04:15 AM
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John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... Sounds like you either need more education or less alcohol/drugs. Maybe both. Jim: Well, gee, good thing we don't go on sounds, because you sound like the MOST stupid idiot I have ever had the displeasure to chat with, but hey, I continue to give you the benefit of the doubt  Hang in there buddy ... Everything I've posted about time and reference frames can be trivially verified. If you want to remain an ignorant, arm waving babbler, that's your choice. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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January 26th 07, 04:26 AM
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The universe most certainly does age one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second was defined. *Only* within the frame of reference where the second was defined which didn't exist for the first 2/3 of the history of the universe. What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. My point exactly! -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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January 26th 07, 05:25 AM
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Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote: The universe most certainly does age one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second was defined. *Only* within the frame of reference where the second was defined which didn't exist for the first 2/3 of the history of the universe. Babble. The universe has aged one second with each passing second within the frame of reference where the second is defined whether or not there was anyone around to define a second and will continue to age at that rate in that frame whether or not there is anyone around who could take notice of the fact. And since the frame of reference is a defined thing and not a physical reality, it doesn't matter if the Earth continues to exist or not either. You seem to have a lot of difficulty with this concept. What I really don't understand is why understanding frames of reference is so difficult for many evidently otherwise intelligent people. My point exactly! So your are saying you don't understand what a frame of reference is? It is getting kind of obvious. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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