wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

wrote:

No aether.


Nobody said anything about aether. The medium through
which EM waves flow is space which indeed does have
a structure. Space is definitely not nothing.


I showed you my references, now you show me yours.

There is a medium that does NOT have Nitrogen, Oxygen, Hydrogen, and noxious
carbon based gases. That medium is not compressed by the effects of gravity. Any
molecules present have very large inter molecule dimensions, maybe even miles.

The medium does have the presence of EM energy in the form of x-rays and gamma
rays [among other more exotic energy forms], it also contains ionizing particles
[neutrons, protons and electrons], it does support gravitational fields, and it
has both a dielectric constant and a permeability. The ratio of dielectric
constant to permeability is approximately 377 ohms.

This medium supports EM radiation from deep space to the local earth. What do
you choose to call it?

Dave wrote:

...
This medium supports EM radiation from deep space to the local earth.
What do you choose to call it?


Dave:

You have arrived!

Is not a rose by any other name ... ?

Warmest regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote in news:SIxuh.76115$wP1.56143
@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net:

Dave Oldridge wrote:
There are other entropic processes that can be calibrated against the
cesium.

Who did that before cesium existed?

Nobody that I know of, but we're getting to the point where we can see
almost that far back.


--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

Dave Oldridge wrote:
Nobody that I know of, but we're getting to the point where we can see
almost that far back.

Seems to me all we can see is back to the point where
things are moving away from our relative position at
less than the speed of light. Did you know that the
red shift is quantitized, i.e. not continuous, even
within the same galaxy?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:22:38 GMT, Dave Oldridge
wrote:

The same problem still exists. The cesium atom didn't
exist before the first super nova. How can the time
be calculated between the Big Bang and the first super
nova if cesium didn't exist?

There are other entropic processes that can be calibrated against the
cesium.

Hi Dave,

You have been snookered into answering a complaint manufactured (as
usual) from the misapplication of relationships. The resonance of
Cesium is not a function of time. Time is not a function of Cesium's
resonance (the incorrect correlation drawn, to which you are
responding).

There is no dependency between the two. It is our dependency in our
usage of one to measure the other. The sophism above is much like
saying sound did not exist before someone was close enough to hear the
falling tree. The excitation of gas molecules we call sound existed
long before the appearance of the first amoeba, much less apes in
falling trees. Both sound and time are phenomenological terms for
simple and rational physical processes that exist without dependence
on us.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
The resonance of Cesium is not a function of time.

Maybe not, but the frequency of the resonance of
Cesium is a function of time, e.g. cycles/second.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
Richard Clark wrote:
The resonance of Cesium is not a function of time.

Maybe not, but the frequency of the resonance of
Cesium is a function of time, e.g. cycles/second.

Cecil:

I for one think it has already been shown, we simply do not understand
time. Given that is correct, how can we possibly know if the
"vibration" of cesium is a function of it--heck, maybe if we ever
achieve in stopping the vibs of cesium, time will stop? grin

The problem here is in construction of a "true ruler" to measure with
.... of course, we always have our "units" ...

Regards,
JS

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:45:19 -0800, John Smith I
wrote:

we simply do not understand
we possibly know
we ever achieve
we always have

Brett,

For someone with faux anonymity, you certainly work to drape yourself
in marginal pluralism.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:

...
Brett,

For someone with faux anonymity, you certainly work to drape yourself
in marginal pluralism.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard:

It is safe to call me John, I can guarantee you--that is my REAL first
name (well, Johnathan)--Smith is my "pen name."

I have used other "pen names" in the past ... (appears as if you have
been "one of my fans in the past"--though I don't remember you using
your correct name there, perhaps IRC?)

As to the latter, I have been "draped" in worse ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
I for one think it has already been shown, we simply do not understand
time. Given that is correct, how can we possibly know if the
"vibration" of cesium is a function of it--heck, maybe if we ever
achieve in stopping the vibs of cesium, time will stop? grin

It's pretty obvious that frequency is a function of time.
Velocity is a function of time. Time is also a function
of velocity. Velocity is a function of length. Length is
also a function of velocity. Go figger.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com