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Troll ...

JS

Jim Kelley wrote:

...

Jim:

Have you read about the quantum phenomenon(s) which begin when you even
start getting close to absolute zero? I can just imagine attempting
logical measurements ...

Warmest regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
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Stupid troll, go back to your bridge ...

Ignorant, babbling twit, get an education.

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John Smith I wrote:
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Troll ...

Ignorant moron.

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Cecil Moore wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in news:aqfuh.4372$O02.4066
*Only* within the frame of reference where the second
was defined which didn't exist for the first 2/3
of the history of the universe.

Actually, the second is defined as a certain exact number of
oscillations of a cesium atom in the same reference frame as the
observer.

The same problem still exists. The cesium atom didn't
exist before the first super nova. How can the time
be calculated between the Big Bang and the first super
nova if cesium didn't exist?

There are other entropic processes that can be calibrated against the
cesium.


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John Smith I wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:

...

Jim:

Have you read about the quantum phenomenon(s) which begin when you even
start getting close to absolute zero? I can just imagine attempting
logical measurements ...

Warmest regards,
JS

Jim:

This gives a "glimpse" of what I mean, the above was vague ...

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/phy99194.htm

Regards,
JS

Jim Kelley wrote:
The two are entirely different.

No, they are both earth-centric concepts invented
by man. That makes them alike, not different.
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Jim Kelley wrote:
You'd have to be able to demonstrate that relativistic effects single
out particular units of measurement to the exclusion of others without
having an effect on the observed phenomena and all within the same
reference frame before being able to substantiate any claim that the
result of a particular measurement is arbitrary. Can you demonstrate that?

Relativistic effects certainly single out measurements
of time - also length in the direction of velocity.

It has been demonstrated numerous times that the velocity
of a clock affects the length of its second. What is
the velocity of the cesium clock on Earth?
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Cecil Moore wrote:

No, they are both earth-centric concepts invented
by man. That makes them alike, not different.

Sort of blurs the line between the plausible and the absurd, Cecil.
The fact that two things might share a particular trait does not
eliminate their differences.

jk

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No aether.

Are you saying there's no structure to space?
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