Christopher Cox wrote:

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This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what an
accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris

The old failed logic recycled one more time; go keep track of who had
licenses before code was dropped ... eat your lotus blossoms--it always
worked before ...

JS

John Smith I wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote:

...
This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what
an accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris

The old failed logic recycled one more time; go keep track of who had
licenses before code was dropped ... eat your lotus blossoms--it always
worked before ...

The idea that BPL cam about in order to punish Hams who like Morse code
is a new one.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIa -

Michael Coslo wrote:

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The idea that BPL cam about in order to punish Hams who like Morse
code is a new one.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIa -

Now, there is the mindset which got us here in the first place, don't
you get it?

Hams are just NOT important enough to justify punishment, they simply
are holding onto a fraction of the public airwaves which can be placed
to much better use ... get real.

JS

John Smith I wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

...

The idea that BPL cam about in order to punish Hams who like Morse
code is a new one.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIa -


Now, there is the mindset which got us here in the first place, don't
you get it?

Hams are just NOT important enough to justify punishment, they simply
are holding onto a fraction of the public airwaves which can be placed
to much better use ... get real.

Define 'better.'

John Smith I wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

...
The idea that BPL cam about in order to punish Hams who like Morse
code is a new one.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIa -

Now, there is the mindset which got us here in the first place, don't
you get it?

Actually no, I don't. A side effect of BPL might be to harm the bands
that amateurs operate on, but I can't even imagine the people who push
this merde having a thought of inconveniencing Morse code lovers.


Hams are just NOT important enough to justify punishment, they simply
are holding onto a fraction of the public airwaves which can be placed
to much better use ... get real.

HF is an unruly beast, and not well suited to any kind of distance
limiting needs. Years ago there were wireless home phones around 11
meters. They didn't work too well. A large part of that was HF type
problems of static, big antennas and propagation effects.

Anyone who wants to work in HF, especially digitally, will have to
reckon with those effects. The political types who promote use of HF for
this seldom understand that.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo wrote:

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Anyone who wants to work in HF, especially digitally, will have to
reckon with those effects. The political types who promote use of HF for
this seldom understand that.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Actually, no, not everyone has to study HF to see if your argument holds
water or not.

YOU just need to see a BPL modem at work--it'll blow away any doubts you
may have as to it being suited to HS data xfer over power-lines ...

JS

John Smith I wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote:

...

This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what
an accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris


The old failed logic recycled one more time; go keep track of who had
licenses before code was dropped ... eat your lotus blossoms--it always
worked before ...

JS

John,

You are making some poor assumptions. I do not frequent the radio HF
spectrum. While I have operated CW before, it has been years ago,
largely to gain privileges to HF. I make my living in the Voip/Data
world and would like to push broadband consumption like a utility.

That being said, I liken BPL to pee'ing into a stream. While I might not
get my drinking water from it, someone or thing probably does. Just
because BPL is not polluting spectrum I might be using today does not
mean its not polluting someone else. Additionally, BPL's maximum data
rate of 2 Mbps makes it late coming and soon not even considered broadband.

I do not understand why you would fight for something you probably would
not even want in the future. Lets lay down some fiber, or at least
twisted pair.

The facts are old, arguments for BPL vary because of their faulty logic,
not the other way around.

Chris

Christopher Cox wrote:

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Your ideas are great, IF, and that is a big IF, those lines are open to
cheap access by all and available for use by ALL devices (basically the
cost of repair/maintain). Otherwise BPL should stand vanguard and be
used to remove control from phone companies/BIG_MONEY ...

Regards,
JS