"Dave" wrote in message
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"Jon Mcleod" wrote in message
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PN2222A wrote:

You will want to apply the field directly to conductive plates which are
in contact with the meat -- if you have any air gap between a plate and
the meat,
the voltage drop will essentially be all across the air gap, none across
the test sample.

I've been thinking about this. There is a question on how to get an
e-field into the meat, and there is a question about whether bacteria
exist in the meat.

i think its normally assumed that bacteria contaminate the surface of cut
meat during handling and from exposure to the air. ground meat is more
likely to contain bacteria because it is ground... that is, the outer,
possibly contaminated, surface is cut and chopped and put in contact with
lots more meat surface, so bacteria can get spread throughout the
mixture... and of course there is always the contamination probability on
the grinding equipment which is much more complicated than a simple knife
or saw used for sliced meats.


along the lines of another poster i would propose an alternate experiment
that could be much more closely controlled. instead of starting with
unknown contamination in meat, which is in itself a non-homogonous
substance, it would be easier to setup and control a standard Petri dish
contaminated with known bacteria samples. Those should be easily provided
by any decent biology lab, and can be properly analyzed and scored using
standard methods for measuring bacterial growth. Those methods are well
documented, and again, any decent biology lab should be able to assist in
the analysis.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:07:22 -0700, PN2222A wrote:

"Jon Mcleod" wrote in message

All these are nice ideas and a marvel to engineering but I must say
this....

*******
Whether it's radiated or E-fielded to kill the bacteria, there will still
be **** ON MY FOOD!
*********

Why can't they just stop the contamination as I don't want any crap on my
food! I think it's very disgusting and would avoid radiated or
electrified foods as I believe manufactures would find they could offset
their cost be being less cleanly as long as they were not killing people.

No Spam wrote:
On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:07:22 -0700, PN2222A wrote:

"Jon Mcleod" wrote in message

All these are nice ideas and a marvel to engineering but I must say
this....

*******
Whether it's radiated or E-fielded to kill the bacteria, there will still
be **** ON MY FOOD!
*********


Well put! I notice that the rules have been changed so that veggies
will be irradiated to kill the e.coli and salmonella bacteria on them.

But as you say, the food will still be spiced with whatever excrement is
present.

This will of course have the end effect of making the food filthier, as
teh new Attitude will be "The radiation will get the germs, so I don't
have to clean it.

I guess we'll have to change the name to "Jalepeno Poopers".

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Michael Coslo wrote:

Well put! I notice that the rules have been changed so that veggies
will be irradiated to kill the e.coli and salmonella bacteria on them.

Actually, e-field could be a much better way to kill bacteria on the
surface of vegetables, if this whole kooky idea works. I mean, holy
crap, if they're using it to cure brain tumors, it can probably
sterilize the food without genetically damaging it.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:55:47 -0400, Jon Mcleod
wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:

Well put! I notice that the rules have been changed so that veggies
will be irradiated to kill the e.coli and salmonella bacteria on them.

Actually, e-field could be a much better way to kill bacteria on the
surface of vegetables, if this whole kooky idea works. I mean, holy
crap, if they're using it to cure brain tumors, it can probably
sterilize the food without genetically damaging it.

Hi All,

All of this remains highly suppositional and suspicious both. One
need only graze beneath a common 110KV transmission line to experience
field levels of 1KV/ft (33V/cm) to find no lower bacterial risk (and
frequent claims to the contrary of these fields having healative
powers).

As for this last parenthetical, it demonstrates you can pick any topic
and populate it with vapid ideas that embrace conflicting claims for
the same weak evidence.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Jon Mcleod wrote in
m:

Michael Coslo wrote:

Well put! I notice that the rules have been changed so that veggies
will be irradiated to kill the e.coli and salmonella bacteria on them.

Actually, e-field could be a much better way to kill bacteria on the
surface of vegetables, if this whole kooky idea works. I mean, holy
crap, if they're using it to cure brain tumors, it can probably
sterilize the food without genetically damaging it.

It's already an FDA approved device, first application I've heard of
is pasturization of apple juice. Google PEF (pulsed electric field)
Diversified Technologies in MA manufactured the device. They're experts
in generating pulses for the DOD and seem to be venturing into new
applications now.