On Sep 22, 7:20*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Indeed, the bell jar, being made of the large molecules of our matter
would appear as a very large screen, or even like a layer of gravel to a
liquid/gas, to the quantum-structure-nature of ether ...

Consider that the ether may be made out of exotic dark
matter capable of occupying the same space as the glass
in the jar, indeed providing the very structure that
allows the glass to exist in the form that we perceive.

It is possible to consider that as a possible explanation provided
that the hypothesis of exotic dark matter can ever be shown to exist
physically, which it can't. It can be used hypothetcally as a possible
explanation for the alleged expansion of the universe, which
originates from observations using our Hubble peep hole, from which
can see a only tiny portion of the total volume of the universe,
backwards in time. For that hypothesis to be true, of course we must
verify that alleged exotic matter, which cannot be observed, has a
negative gravitational force relative to physical mass, something not
intuitively obvious; this Hubble observation is where the advocates of
exotic matter get their most support. And here we are putting the cart
one light year ahead of the horse by considering that it is, or may
be, the so called ether for light. Other plausible hypotheses such as
an alternation of expansion and contraction cycles, possibly as a
damped waceform, do not depend on the abstraction of exotic matter at
all.

wrote:
It is possible to consider that as a possible explanation provided
that the hypothesis of exotic dark matter can ever be shown to exist
physically, which it can't.

Sorry, that is incorrect. It has been shown there is more
matter associated with galaxies than we can see. The part
we can see is thought to be about 5% of the universe. Dark
matter possesses conventional gravity and apparently makes
up about 30% of the universe.

For that hypothesis to be true, of course we must
verify that alleged exotic matter, which cannot be observed, has a
negative gravitational force relative to physical mass, ...

Sorry, that is incorrect. The thing thought to be responsible
for the expansion of the universe is Dark Energy causing an
expansion pressure. Dark Energy is thought to account for
65% of the universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
"According to the general theory of relativity,
space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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wrote:
It is possible to consider that as a possible explanation provided
that the hypothesis of exotic dark matter can ever be shown to exist
physically, which it can't.

Sorry, that is incorrect. It has been shown there is more
matter associated with galaxies than we can see. The part
we can see is thought to be about 5% of the universe. Dark
matter possesses conventional gravity and apparently makes
up about 30% of the universe.

For that hypothesis to be true, of course we must
verify that alleged exotic matter, which cannot be observed, has a
negative gravitational force relative to physical mass, ...

Sorry, that is incorrect. The thing thought to be responsible
for the expansion of the universe is Dark Energy causing an
expansion pressure. Dark Energy is thought to account for
65% of the universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
"According to the general theory of relativity,
space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein

It's amazing how far into space people will go without even stepping off the
planet.

Don't get me wrong, It's good to explore in the best we can, but one thing
brings me back to reality. No one of us seems to be able to keep straight
in our heads, all of the details of all the theories, observations, problems
and their interdependence and conflicts. It seems that every conclusion
presented that I can have hope of researching in great enough detail,
reveals leaps of faith.

Reminds me a whole lot of the Psychology and Philosophy courses I took to
round out my transcripts. All the GREAT GENIUSES in those fields got tunnel
vision and went way out on a limb even to the point of developing their own
dialect. The lesson learned of all that, was that humanity is so versatile
that no one could point to one theory that held up in the broader range of
human experience.

What does that leave us with? Tools that can be applied if we know where
they can be used, but only if they hold when we put work to them.

The end result though, is that humanity is so versatile

JB wrote:
The end result though, is that humanity is so versatile

Human knowledge is expanding exponentially. The
more we know, the more we know that we don't know.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
"According to the general theory of relativity,
space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein