Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On Sep 7, 10:06*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Sep 5, 5:16 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity
of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into
account by the GPS system."
of course, but this was not detecting aether movement, it was

detecting acceleration from the rotation of the earth as predicted by
special relativity.

In 1905 Einstein wrote: "Examples of this sort, together with the

unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to the
``light medium,'' suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as
of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute
rest."

In "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result"
(motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' )

no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of
the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no
motion with respect to a fix or any other aether... otherwise the
result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or
year, which was not detected.

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 9/7/2010 3:08 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of
the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no
motion with respect to a fix or any other aether... otherwise the
result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or
year, which was not detected.

On the surface, that statement simply sounds insane. It is always noon
on some portion of the planet and it is always summer somewhere ...

Regards,
JS

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

John Smith wrote:
and it is always summer somewhere ...

"summer" is kind of ill defined..
but what about at the instant of the equinox? precisely the same amount
of north and south hemispheres are illuminated, etc.

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Sep 7, 10:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity
of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this
day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into account by the GPS system."

In 1905 Einstein wrote: "Examples of this sort, together with the
unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to
the ``light medium,'' suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as
well as
of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute
rest."

In "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result"
(motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' )

no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of
the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no
motion with respect to a fix

You assume that the ether is fix. The same did Maxwell. But Maxwell did it
before MMX.
You should know (after MMX and MGX) that the ether is not fix. It rotates
with the Sun but not rotate with the Earth (it was predicted by Stokes in
1845).

or any other aether...

They "detected no motion" with respect to Stokes ether.

otherwise the result would have had a predictable variation due to time of
day or
year, which was not detected.

The results of MMX and MGX prove the Stokes ether.
S*

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On Sep 8, 8:08*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Sep 7, 10:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity
of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this
day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into *account by the GPS system."

In 1905 Einstein wrote: "Examples of this sort, together with the
unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to
the ``light medium,'' suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as
well as
of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute
rest."

In "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result"
(motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' )
no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of

the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no
motion with respect to a fix

You assume that the ether is fix. The same did Maxwell. But Maxwell did it
before MMX.
You should know (after MMX and MGX) *that the ether is not fix. It rotates
with the Sun but not rotate with the Earth (it was predicted by Stokes in
1845).

or any other aether...

They "detected no motion" with respect to Stokes ether.

otherwise the result would have had a predictable variation due to time of
day or

year, which was not detected.

The results of MMX and MGX prove the Stokes ether.
S*

why don't you just go back to Opticks, thats only about 100 years
older than the almost 200 year old Stokes aether... you are still
going backwards dragging up old disproved theories.

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 9/8/2010 4:43 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
why don't you just go back to Opticks, thats only about 100 years
older than the almost 200 year old Stokes aether... you are still
going backwards dragging up old disproved theories.

YEAH! It is their imagination that mass-less light gets sucked into a
black hole ... actually those things are radiators!

Regards,
JS

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Sep 8, 8:08 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity
of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this
day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into account by the GPS system."

The results of MMX and MGX prove the Stokes ether. "It rotates
with the Sun but not rotate with the Earth (it was predicted by Stokes in
1845).

why don't you just go back to Opticks, thats only about 100 years
older than the almost 200 year old Stokes aether... you are still
going backwards dragging up old disproved theories.

Is GPS system 200 year old and disproved?
S*

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On Sep 9, 12:27*am, John Smith wrote:
YEAH! It is their imagination that mass-less light gets sucked into a
black hole ... actually those things are radiators!

Hawking radiation seems to be caused by the quantum soup complementary
virtual particles that wink in and out of existence in space. Instead
of being spontaneously annihilated, one of the complementary virtual
particles falls into the black hole and one escapes thus becoming a
real particle.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 9/9/2010 4:36 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Hawking radiation seems to be caused by the quantum soup complementary
virtual particles that wink in and out of existence in space. Instead
of being spontaneously annihilated, one of the complementary virtual
particles falls into the black hole and one escapes thus becoming a
real particle.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Tomorrow, it is going to be all over the net, "Cecil says every time God
winks a particle of light falls into a black hole; And a new one is born!"

Regards,
JS

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
On Sep 5, 7:50 pm, "K" wrote:
I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

Let's call it "quantum ether" to distinguish it from the earlier
obsolete concepts.

Now I'll listen.

People trying to resurrect old and not very plausible theories by
equating quantum soup to "aether", or even phlogiston is a great way to
dismiss their ideas. Maybe the flat earthers are right too - we just
haven't found the right proof yet.

- Mike -