Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 9/5/2010 8:08 PM, tom wrote:
On 9/5/2010 7:50 PM, K wrote:
I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

K

"John Smith" wrote in message
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On 9/5/2010 4:37 PM, tom wrote:

...
We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day,
but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into
account by the GPS system."

especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.
S*




What a maroon.

tom
K0TAR

In deep space, light should go 100% unimpeded by any magnetic fields.
In an atmosphere, plasma, or other media, I would think light can be
affected, fiber optics can even bend light using a physical force
acting on the media carrying the light, instead of a magnetic field.

In deep space, there is almost nothing but ether, and ether, the
gravitational ether of Einstein, needs to be bent with gravity, and
when the ether is bent, some distortion of the path of light should
certainly be detected ... but that debated experiment, someone already
mentioned, carries on.

Regards,
JS


Ditto on maroon.

tom
K0TAR


Due to top posting, I responded to the previous person. Sorry.

I prefer top posting myself, but this group does not.

tom
K0TAR

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 9/5/2010 6:19 PM, tom wrote:


Due to top posting, I responded to the previous person. Sorry.

I prefer top posting myself, but this group does not.

tom
K0TAR


Us maroons think you are missing something:
http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=12673

Is you license the highest degree you possess? ROFLOL

Don't even worry about looking like a non-conforming idiot; That is the
least of your problems. :-(

Regards,
JS

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 9/5/2010 6:47 PM, John Smith wrote:

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Us maroons think you are missing something:
http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=12673

Is you license the highest degree you possess? ROFLOL

Don't even worry about looking like a non-conforming idiot; That is the
least of your problems. :-(

Regards,
JS

Uh, this link, instead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto-optic_effect

And, I'll worry about looking like a URL-post bungling idiot! ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 8/31/2010 3:54 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Does God have DNA? If not, where did Jesus' Y DNA come from? If yes,
can God be killed?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

OK, Cecil, you asked the question, and we did not sleep until we had
your answer. I believe this is an answer to that question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGLPA...layer_embedded

Sunday, September fifth, two-thousand and ten ... and you were there!

Regards,
JS

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On 9/5/2010 8:17 PM, John Smith wrote:

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OK, Cecil, you asked the question, and we did not sleep until we had
your answer. I believe this is an answer to that question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGLPA...layer_embedded

Sunday, September fifth, two-thousand and ten ... and you were there!

Regards,
JS

AND!!! LORDY, LORDY, LORDY!

There is MORE! (get it while it is hot! grin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TIpf...1&feature=fvwp

Regards,
JS

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

"John Smith" wrote
...
On 9/5/2010 4:37 PM, tom wrote:

...
We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day,
but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into
account by the GPS system."

especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.

In deep space, light should go 100% unimpeded by any magnetic fields. In
an atmosphere, plasma, or other media,

No deep space. Everywhere is the Interstellar Medium. There happens the
interesting things with the light.:
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/l...kyway/ism.html

I would think light can be affected, fiber optics can even bend light
using a physical force acting on the media carrying the light, instead of
a magnetic field.

In deep space, there is almost nothing but ether, and ether, the
gravitational ether of Einstein, needs to be bent with gravity, and when
the ether is bent, some distortion of the path of light should certainly
be detected ... but that debated experiment, someone already mentioned,
carries on.

In "deep space" are also stars so the electroms, ions, atoms and dust have
the different temperatures and density. Speed of all waves are the
temperature dependent. The refraction index also.
S*

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On Sep 5, 5:16*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Sep 4, 6:06 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



"Cecil Moore"
...
On Sep 3, 1:14 pm, John Smith wrote:

Seriously, though, the real question is "Where did the ether come
from?"
Apparently, human intelligence and logic has not yet evolved to be

able to handle such questions although Ayn Rand came close decades
ago.

Always were the two ethers. Normal for the normal electric waves and the
"special" for the EM waves.

The normal is that by Ludwig Lorenz and the second by H. Lorentz.

The normal is the rare plazma (electrons, ions, atoms and dust).
The special is in many forms.

The normal is produced by the Sun. The special - I do not know.
'normally' when something has to be called 'special' it means that it

doesn't represent the real world... not 'special' relativity is just a
subset of 'general' relativity. *if the 'normal' is created by the sun
and we now know that there is a discontinuity at the edge of the solar
system where our solar wind is deflected by the galactic plasma... and
indeed there are major discontinuities around the earth due to our
magnetic field... why are there not distortions in the waves traveling
in the plasma?

All is like with the sound waves in the wind.

if waves travel in water and the water is moving the

waves move with the water, why can we not measure the difference in
speed or direction of waves carried in the moving solar plasma,

We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into
account by the GPS system."

of course, but this was not detecting aether movement, it was
detecting acceleration from the rotation of the earth as predicted by
special relativity.



especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? *why are

light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.
S*

those effect require a material that is sensitive to the field. it is
not the fields themselves that are interacting it is the fields and
the materials.

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

On Sep 5, 7:50*pm, "K" wrote:
I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

Let's call it "quantum ether" to distinguish it from the earlier
obsolete concepts. Yes, dark energy seems to make up ~70% of the
universe which is mostly space so there is little doubt that quantum
ether space is related to dark energy in some way.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_matter.html
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Recognit... Dark Matter via Hubble & computer enhancement
 

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100824.html



On 9/6/2010 7:30 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Sep 5, 7:50 pm, wrote:
I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

Let's call it "quantum ether" to distinguish it from the earlier
obsolete concepts. Yes, dark energy seems to make up ~70% of the
universe which is mostly space so there is little doubt that quantum
ether space is related to dark energy in some way.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_matter.html
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Recognition of the Aether presence or not
 

"K1TTT" wrote
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On Sep 5, 5:16 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity
of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into
account by the GPS system."

of course, but this was not detecting aether movement, it was
detecting acceleration from the rotation of the earth as predicted by
special relativity.

In 1905 Einstein wrote: "Examples of this sort, together with the
unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to the
``light medium,'' suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as
of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute
rest."

In "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result"
(motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' )

As you see after 1925 all predictions of SR and EM are the tales used in
schools to teach the math.
S*