On 1/12/2014 12:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:31:23 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:

On 1/11/2014 11:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:41:20 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:

I didn't say they were unknown. Just that professional integrators
(including us) use better quality connectors.

Could I trouble you for a photo or part number for the crimp type F
connectors that you are using? I want to see what I'm missing.

I can't post an image to the list, and distributors websites require
logins. It won't do you any good anyway - you won't find them on ebay
and the link. Sale is restricted by the manufacturers to professionals.

Ah, secret sauce. A secret connector manufacturer and model number
obtainable only from a secret distributor. No doubt made exclusively
for professionals. The secret manufacturer probably made you sign an
NDA before he would sell you the connectors. He can't have
unprofessional hams using his secret connectors. The unobtainium
plating probably makes it difficult for you to take a photograph and
post it.


Nope, professional grade connectors which are only available to
professionals. But you obviously know more than the professionals about
our business and our product.

We know what is good and what is not. You don't need to tell us our job.

That's the problem. You haven't said anything about what you do, what
type of systems you work on, how you do it, what connectors you use,
what tools you use, where you obtain them, and the relative merits of
your system to those in use by Comcast and Charter. You offer nothing
that can be used, except that everything that I've been doing is
wrong, that every connector that I use is junk, and that everyone in
your area uses secret connectors and has magic cutters that last
nearly forever.


No, and it doesn't matter. But even though you don't know, you know
better then I what I do, and what components I should be using.

Sorry. I don't use the cheap stuff available to you. No, they're not
"secret sauce". But they aren't available on Ebay (or at Radio Shack).

And unlike what you have told me, I haven't said ANYTHING you do is
wrong. Neither did I say anything you use is junk. I just said
PROFESSIONALS don't use it.

You might know what is good for "professionals", but I have no clue
what that might be. For me, questioning authority, trying something
different, and testing assumptions is a learning experience. I'm
doing a 10 year running experiment on the effectiveness of using 1"
PTFE wrap over commodity RF connectors for waterproofing. I'm testing
75 ohm coax where 50 ohms is standard. I use F connectors in a ham
radio environment for which they were never intended. I've designed
and build some rather odd antennas. I question and verify
conventional wisdom, claims, standards, test results, and
specifications. I've made both big and small mistakes, irritated the
experts, and occasionally inspired vendors into modifying their data
sheets and claims. I look for new ideas that I can use (or steal) and
had hoped that perhpas your secret F connector was in some way better
than the common Snap-n-Seal connector. I'm disappointed.



But you seem to be telling me left and right what I should and should
not be using.

You want to learn? Go to school. Learn what professionals use.

I'm not about to waste my time here on usenet trying to educate someone
who argues with everything I say.

I'm outta here.

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:32:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:

Nope, professional grade connectors which are only available to
professionals.

Please advise when you are able to identify or photograph your secret
connectors. I would also be interested in the name of your
distributor that has a private stock of professional only connectors,
but since I don't intend to buy from them, that's optional.

But you obviously know more than the professionals about
our business and our product.

I've been very careful to only mention what I do, and what the local
cable companies are doing. My only suggestion to you was to measure
the loss and view the reflections of an "impedance bump" artificially
produced with a squashed coax cable. If you would like me to tell you
how to run your business and manage your product, please email for my
list of services and I will provide an estimate.

No, and it doesn't matter. But even though you don't know, you know
better then I what I do, and what components I should be using.

True. I know nothing about what you are doing, what you are using,
and how you are doing it. Most commonly, you only indicate what you
are NOT doing. That's not very helpful.

But you seem to be telling me left and right what I should and should
not be using.

See above. Except for testing your "impedance bump" theory of
attenuation, I haven't told you what you should be doing or using. I
normally charge for commercial advice.

You want to learn? Go to school. Learn what professionals use.

That probably wouldn't be a bad idea if I had the time. I could use
some more wallpaper. However, if I do go back to skool, it will
probably be to teach. Learning how to use compression connectors does
not require a class. There are YouTube videos and instruction
documents that are more than adequate. Some people learn best from a
formal classroom education. I do better getting my hands dirty.

I'm not about to waste my time here on usenet trying to educate someone
who argues with everything I say.

It's called a discussion, which has been interesting, but not very
informative.

I'm outta here.

Please come back when you are able to identify your secret connectors.



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