Bob Miller wrote:
Jack, please explain why we need battlefield weapons in a civilian
society.

That's simple. Because the criminals are armed with battlefield
weapons. Don't know about you, but I think it's stupid to take
my 66 year-old fists to a gunfight.

How many times do you need to shoot that beautiful deer before you
drag it to the sausage maker?

Deer don't shoot back. Criminals, including terrorists do, and
sometimes with fully automatic weapons. The criminals obviously
want the ordinary citizens to be disarmed. But why should you
want exactly the same thing as the criminals?

Did you know that the crime rate is falling in the concealed-carry
states? Did you know that a majority of states are concealed-carry
states? If you were a criminal, would you really want to take on
someone who might be packin' a concealed Colt .45?
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:08:28 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:
Jack, please explain why we need battlefield weapons in a civilian
society.

That's simple. Because the criminals are armed with battlefield
weapons. Don't know about you, but I think it's stupid to take
my 66 year-old fists to a gunfight.

How many times do you need to shoot that beautiful deer before you
drag it to the sausage maker?

Deer don't shoot back. Criminals, including terrorists do, and
sometimes with fully automatic weapons. The criminals obviously
want the ordinary citizens to be disarmed. But why should you
want exactly the same thing as the criminals?

Did you know that the crime rate is falling in the concealed-carry
states? Did you know that a majority of states are concealed-carry
states?

I wonder if those same states might also have the highest number of
crimes of passion committed with firearms? Don't know, just asking.

If you were a criminal, would you really want to take on
someone who might be packin' a concealed Colt .45?

Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if
your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens
should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd
all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody
loses his/her temper.

One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on
the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a
drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month.

Bob
k5qwg

Bob Miller wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if
your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens
should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd
all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody
loses his/her temper.

One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on
the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a
drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month.

Bob
k5qwg



Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

tom
K0TAR

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:23 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if
your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens
should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd
all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody
loses his/her temper.

One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on
the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a
drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month.

Bob
k5qwg



Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.

If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg


tom
K0TAR

"Bob Miller" wrote

Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Either one is fine.

Jack

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:44:06 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:


"Bob Miller" wrote

Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away.

Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/
see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead,
one lady with a bullet in her neck.

Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley.

Typical Sunday in this town.

I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life.

Have fun.

Bob
k5qwg



Either one is fine.

Jack

"Bob Miller" wrote

"Jack Painter" wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote
Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether
or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I
will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day,
you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away.

Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/
see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead,
one lady with a bullet in her neck.

Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley.

Typical Sunday in this town.

I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life.

Have fun.

Bob
k5qwg

Either one is fine.

Jack


O.k. Bob, I'll be kind and say you are not trotting out lies, you're just
delusional, because you imagine these are normal people, when every once of
common sense you have tells you otherwise. And the news stories offer no
details whatsoever, except the area of town (Lincolnshire on the east side).
Suppose you mosey on over to that basketball court and tell us who plays
there. If they ask you, tell them you're making sure they are just normal,
reasonable law-abiding people, the kind that get mad and shoot both friends
and strangers
over trifle matters because they had a gun. Drive bys are always gang
related Bob, if you're not quick enough to understand that call your local
police and ask about it. None of your stories (2 in all, not 5) are nornal
law abiding citizens. Curb your enthusiams for sensational Dan Rather
reporting and stick to facts next time so we have something to talk about,
o.k.?

By the way, see your own link and read about the "Home Invasion Suspect
Charged with Murder" in your nice neigborhood of ordinary law abiding
folks.. Another homeowner dead, murdered in a home invasion while her
elderly parents watched her shot to death, helpless to stop the 23 year old
******* kill her in front of them. Had they been armed, there would be a
dead felon, not a dead daughter. Wish it was your daughter Bob? Want to
watch her savagely beaten and shot to death in front of you? Plead with an
insane killer for her life and then for yours? You bet you do Bob, you sorry
wipe. You're happy that poor woman is dead and would sacrifice your own
daughter too, rather than own a nasty gun and learn how to use it. No? Tell
us where you differ on these fine points here Bob.

Have a nice evening.

Jack

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:44:06 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:


"Bob Miller" wrote

Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I
will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day,
you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away.

Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/
see for yourself:


Yeah, but today's fun centers on a chain-saw attack. Completely baffles me
that two guys in a Texas bar can't come up with at least one shotgun!

--
Ed
WB6WSN

Bob Miller wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:23 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote:


Bob Miller wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if
your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens
should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd
all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody
loses his/her temper.

One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on
the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a
drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month.

Bob
k5qwg



Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.


If you
think they do, show me some evidence.


Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg


tom
K0TAR



Ok. I'd love to see details on it. I find it hard to believe, since
I've never seen an area of the country with a murder rate like that.
Got any newspaper links where I can read about them?

I will have to make one exception on my previous staement - about 6 days
ago a guy stabbed to death 3 people here in Minneapolis. I have, with
tongue not too firmly in cheek, suggested we need to investigate knife
control legislation.

TIA
tom
K0TAR

Bob Miller wrote:
One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on
the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a
drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month.

If laws can stop crime, why haven't the laws against drive-by
shootings stopped the drive-by shootings?
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