This is a newsgroup...emails are harvested just to sell to spammers. You may
not mind getting a ton of email, but I do. However, remove the obvious from
my
munged email and send the reply on over. Name is Andrew, company is
privately
held (Bradford International), I work with Sara Lee, Kayser Roth, Golden
Lady,
Grupo Synkro, and others. ¿Basta?

And it was YOU who stated that this was "commercial"....not I, sir. Thus, it
is up to you to prove so.

BIIYC

A

Well, so you want to be an Honest Andrew; good start. Pleased to meet you.
Now, since you feel uncomfortable discussing who you really are (last name?),
it seems to me you'd be most comfortable taking my original suggestion: take it
off-line and ID. Look forward to your e-mail.

73,
Chip N1IR

Well, so you want to be an Honest Andrew; good start. Pleased to meet you.
Now, since you feel uncomfortable discussing who you really are (last name?),
it seems to me you'd be most comfortable taking my original suggestion: take
it
off-line and ID. Look forward to your e-mail.

73,
Chip N1IR

Sheesh, how stubborn/bull-headed are you??? If my customers had to go thru
this much to get info, I would have closed down years ago. You have my email
addy...just send the bloody info. All I have asked for is info on who is using
mandelbrot ("fractal") style antennas in a commercial application which can be
accessed either via the 'Net or via literature which can be requested (i.e., a
company which is producing such antennas for commercial sale).

A

Sheesh, how stubborn/bull-headed are you??? If my customers had to go thru
this much to get info, I would have closed down years ago. You have my email

Please forget all the above. The customer just called...he has found a source
of similar products in Europe and will be purchasing from them.
A

Sheesh, how stubborn/bull-headed are you??? If my customers had to go thru
this much to get info, I would have closed down years ago.

I presume your customers have the advantage in that you identify yourself to
them, Andrew.

I have no idea who you are.

As I said, drop me a line. I've already gone the extra mile.

Best wishes,
Chip N1IR

Please forget all the above. The customer just called...he has found a
source
of similar products in Europe and will be purchasing from them.
A

Then you can tell your customer that you failed to identify yourself and your
customer's needs.

Somehow, I suspect you will not do so.

Cheers,

Chip N1IR

Then you can tell your customer that you failed to identify yourself and your
customer's needs.

Somehow, I suspect you will not do so.

Not only have been told, they wish not to be identified and agreed with the
approach, as they're more interested in viable/available technology....the
European company is under the same conditions (and it turns out that they have
been following these exchanges).
A

I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.

They may be good innovations then, just hindered by his approach.

Andrey

PS: If someone has commercial request for Antenna design, I can help too - I
do it for living. No fractals, just whips, patches, dipoles, loops, arrays -
everything from the classic books. I am an older guy. And of course,
matching, tuning, conforming and any sorts of customization. I have several
patents too, though I do not think of them as anything special.


--
Andrey Gleener R&D Services Ltd.
4775 Gilpin Crt. Burnaby
BC V5G 3A1
Tel: 604 844 7578
EMail:







"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:54:57 +0100, "Mark"
wrote:

I've looked at the Fractantenna web site and there is only marketing info
available.

Hi Mark,

And the intent in being obscure, or coy, is another marketing
technique to churn a amateur newsgroup for commercial interest. When
drawn into these banalities, the marketeer then steers the sucker
through the maze of claims to elicit a public declaration "sure this
looks good." Once having secured this admission from the prospect,
the marketeer then has the leverage to ask "what is keeping you from
giving me your money?"

All very standard and by the book [consult the recent activities of
Mr. Spitzer, Attorney General for New York for other material found in
"the book"].

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.

They may be good innovations then, just hindered by his approach.

Andrey

PS: If someone has commercial request for Antenna design, I can help too - I
do it for living. No fractals, just whips, patches, dipoles, loops, arrays -
everything from the classic books. I am an older guy. And of course,
matching, tuning, conforming and any sorts of customization. I have several
patents too, though I do not think of them as anything special.


--
Andrey Gleener R&D Services Ltd.
4775 Gilpin Crt. Burnaby
BC V5G 3A1
Tel: 604 844 7578
EMail:

Yup. Just what I expected.

Get the competitor nonsense off the NG. It's interference of business.

I hate to be right...

Chip N1IR

European company is under the same conditions (and it turns out that they
have
been following these exchanges).
A

I would also be paranoid if I were them:-)

Thanks for building up the data base though.

73,
Chip N1IR

Andrey said:

Fractal antennas ... turned out to be useless. That's how I understand it.
It is not a myth, as someone here said it. Drawing "fractal dipole" is shown
in "Antennas for all applications" - there is such a book. It,
anecdotically, does not do you much of anything.
Looks fancy, that's it.

There were bunch of articles promising miracles, but it did not work
according to the promises, otherwise we would hear about it, see them
around.

Andrey



and later....


If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.

They may be good innovations then, just hindered by his approach.

Andrey

PS: If someone has commercial request for Antenna design, I can help too - I
do it for living. No fractals, just whips, patches, dipoles, loops, arrays -
everything from the classic books. I am an older guy. And of course,
matching, tuning, conforming and any sorts of customization. I have several
patents too, though I do not think of them as anything special.


--
Andrey Gleener R&D Services Ltd.
4775 Gilpin Crt. Burnaby
BC V5G 3A1
Tel: 604 844 7578
EMail:


Andrey, I have long noticed that having a competitor as a source of
non-factual comment is the norm in this industry, You just happened to get
caught...

Ah yes, the antenna industry: one of the few business fields without a trade
organization--ever wonder why?

73,
Chip N1IR