"Andrey" wrote in message
...
I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan
Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.


Guess what Andrey... that company was founded by Nathan Cohen. And Fractenna
has been signing his posts as Chip, N1IR. An ARRL call sign search turns up

COHEN, NATHAN L, N1IR (Extra)
(address withheld)



So I guess you're right. He has a vested interest in arguing for fractal
antennas, yes?

John

"Fractenna" wrote in message
...
Sheesh, how stubborn/bull-headed are you??? If my customers had to go
thru
this much to get info, I would have closed down years ago.

I presume your customers have the advantage in that you identify yourself
to
them, Andrew.

I have no idea who you are.

As I said, drop me a line. I've already gone the extra mile.

Best wishes,
Chip N1IR

And when did you fully identify YOURSELF, Chip? Were we supposed to look on
your Fractal Antenna Systems Web site? From that site:

"Fractal Antenna Systems, Inc. was founded in 1995 by Nathan Cohen, now a
recently retired Boston University telecommunications professor and radio
astronomer."

And from the ARRL call sign server:

COHEN, NATHAN L, N1IR (Extra)

Wow! Together we strong!




"John Smith" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Andrey" wrote in message
...
I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan
Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company
(pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.


Guess what Andrey... that company was founded by Nathan Cohen. And
Fractenna
has been signing his posts as Chip, N1IR. An ARRL call sign search turns
up

COHEN, NATHAN L, N1IR (Extra)
(address withheld)



So I guess you're right. He has a vested interest in arguing for fractal
antennas, yes?

John

The dingbat wants your ID so that he can send you a laughable (but annoying)
threatening legaleze mumbo-jumbo e-mail. It is much more relaxing to taunt
the lunacy from a slightly more annonymous position.

The dingbat has one valid point. There are nearly infinitely more 'fractal'
shapes than simple shapes. This means, as he says, that the solution space
is vastly increased by using fractal-shaped antennas to provide some weird
combination of parameters.

What he won't acknowledge is that there are *infinitely again* more
non-fractal squiggly shapes than pure fractal shapes (turtles upon turtles
all the way down). Therefore, his patents are apparently worthless because,
even if there were some applications that happened to 'allow' a fractal
antenna solution, anyone could take the fractal antenna solution and
randomize it a bit (loop until better) to make it slightly nonfractal (and
better at the same time!) and off you go.

It must be annoying to have spent the entire bundle on this and only now
realize that it is absolutely trivial to walk around the patents.

That would be if, big if, anyone cared to.

I hereby place all slightly non-fractal squiggly antennas into the public
domain.

rom: "Le plume de ma taunt"
Date: 10/21/2004 7:37 PM Eastern

I hereby place all slightly non-fractal squiggly antennas into the public
domain.

The poster's screenname says it all...

73,
Chip N1IR

So I guess you're right. He has a vested interest in arguing for fractal
antennas, yes?

John

Hi "John",

I have a vested interest in the accuracy of my comments to Andrey, which he
solicited.

What's YOUR interest, :"John"?

No one is selling fractal antennas on this NG, John.

My motivations were to take the commercial stuff off-line (hardly a hidden
agenda) and to counter hi targeted statements with some relevant fact and query
on his supposed sources. his was apparently to introduce commercial
interference.

I imagine that some person on this NG with his head in the sand doesn't know
who I am at this point--but I doubt it.

I am amused, however, to have you think that I am so unwilling to 'fess up to
my background. See, for example:
www.qrz.com

Do a look-up on N1IR. That's pretty transparent.

Are you expecting me to feel put-out in some way by these histrionics?:-)

Anyway, don't do this purely for my enjoyment:-)

73,
Chip N1IR

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:16:21 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

"Fractal Antenna Systems, Inc. was founded in 1995 by Nathan Cohen, now a
recently retired Boston University telecommunications professor and radio
astronomer."

Hi John,

Your information is incomplete. The records at that time described it
as a small extension campus largely devoted to Home Economics studies.
There could be some confusion about just who you have researched
however. Some years ago we had at least half a dozen "personalities"
all writing from this account or claiming to be different individuals
(or the same individual, it was hard to tell).

One common modus operandi was in (their/his/her) attempting to build a
data base by cultivating personal and business information in this
group, then sending harassing correspondence. If there is any doubt
about who/what/when/why the archives are choked with this Soap Opera.
Simply Google search the newsgroups with terms: "suit," "our lawyers,"
"your lawyers," "cease," "copyright infringement," and the ever famous
"protected by patents pending." Correlate these terms to recognizable
authors and all should come into resolution. :-)

Boy, I've met some goofballs during my days with the Voter's Drive.
Makes this stuff seem like a tired retread - wait! It IS a tired
retread.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

[F]rom: "Le plume de ma taunt"


"Fractenna"
The poster's screenname says it all...

I presume that you meant 'e-mail address' vice 'screen name' (assuming that
you aimed at the obvious target, and missed).

The screen name ("Le plume de ma taunt") is actually hilarious - I hope that
the humour wasn't wasted on you. 'taunt' vice 'tante' - get it? Ah, forget
it.

Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a third time...

It IS a tired
retread.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC



Please ID the "techno-fraud" which you expose in your fractal antenna
website--that's your word. And what patents do you claim your amateur web page
has manage to render useless? Hmmm:-)?

And what exactly is this early 1800's prior art you allude to that renders
fractal antennas as public domain? Perhaps you have a knowledge base which
extends before Hertz, and even Maxwell:-)?

I am sure I am not the only one who would share the fascination of details to
your claims.

You are not a man short of words; use a few words to flesh it out, kindly.

73,
Chip N1IR

Subject: Fractal Antennas
From: "This is a 'screenname'"
Date: 10/21/2004 9:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

[F]rom: "Le plume de ma taunt"


"Fractenna"
The poster's screenname says it all...

I presume that you meant 'e-mail address' vice 'screen name' (assuming that
you aimed at the obvious target, and missed).

The screen name ("Le plume de ma taunt") is actually hilarious - I hope that
the humour wasn't wasted on you. 'taunt' vice 'tante' - get it? Ah, forget
it.

Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a third time...


Sisna...I'm glad I met 'ya. Good luck to YOU Mr. Bogus:-)

73,
Chip N1IR