"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:24:45 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:
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Hi John,

Historically, there have been MANY authors, all making claims to be
different persons OR there has been ONE author claiming to be
different persons FROM ONE account that is not a professional address.
ALL supposed authors claim to be working for a commercial business
selling fractal antennas. However, this is strictly speculation as
absolutely no evidence of this commercial pursuit is apparent in ANY
correspondence.

Stilted or otherwise, the confusion resides at one common point
originating these messages. In just the past week I've seen several
messages posted by two sides of a dialogue BOTH claiming to be the
same correspondent from different addresses. Signatures at the bottom
of a post are a wholly insecure means of asserting identity. Further,
individuals attempting to draw you into commercial correspondence
through non-commercial addresses (accounts) are the leading form of
Phishing. I hope this last term is not lost on you.


It is not. Thanks.

John


73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:56:36 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:
Phishing. I hope this last term is not lost on you.

It is not. Thanks.

Hi John,

This term relates to the practice of "look alike" email,
correspondence and web pages that purport to be legitimate businesses.
One such example
http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a...E92455EF9C46A6
16C9A2BDF01BE7%26io%3d%26sv%3dza5cb0deb%26o%3d0%26 ask%3dphishing%2bebay%26uip%3d1813385b%26en%3dbm%2 6eo%3d-100%26pt%3d%26ac%3d7%26qs%3d0%26pg%3d1%26u%3dhttp% 3a%2f%2fmyjeeves.ask.com%2faction%2fsnip&Complete= 1
(obtained by simply googling the terms "phishing ebay" and taking the
first hit that leads you to fraudwatchinternation.com).
There are literally DOZENs of fraud alerts for emails originating from
AOL (notorious for its simple access by simply opening an account from
one of any of 100 million CDROMS in the mail).

Anyway, the fraud proceeds by using lookalike names to the legitimate
commercial entity. Now, this lookalike is only slightly off from the
legitimate name such that you might be willing to follow the
directions from correspondence purporting to be from ebay.org or
ebaypurchasing.com or ebayaccounts.net or any of a number of variants
such as these. Another form of "spoofing" (giving the appearance of
legitimacy where the intent is to defraud) is to offer links to
legitimate commercial entities (often seen on the web page in the
traditional blue color) while the underlying html script points to
another address. In other words you click on what appears to be
ebay.com and you end up at 127.000.000.001 which is really the address
of a con artist. You cut a deal thinking you have been working with
ebay, and you have opened your account with Ossama.

This is all called "Phishing." The allusion is like it sounds, they
are fishing for your financial information to raid your bank and
credit.

Myself, I cannot think of going blind into any kind of correspondence
that starts out like this (a recent example from today):
Here is Lucy Mcgraw. I write to you because we are accepting your mortgage application.
Our office confirms you can get a $220.000 loÀn for a $252.00 per month payment.
Approval process will take 1 minute, so please fill out the form on our website:

http://hunter-crescent.net-cash.net

Thank you.

Best Regards Lucy Mcgraw
First Account Manager

You should note that there are many red flags waving here. The odd
salutation; the misspelled word loan; the absurd low rate against the
principle, the promise of a quick application; and certainly a curious
signature that in NO WAY resembles the non-professional email account
name of that originated the correspondence.
This lure screams Sucker Alert from end to end and is classic
phishing.

Click on the address and you can well expect to divulge something to
THEIR advantage in 1 minute!

Phishing. I trust this term is no longer lost on you.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:56:36 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:
Phishing. I hope this last term is not lost on you.

It is not. Thanks.

Hi John,

Sorry, it occured to me through my reading double negatives that I
appear to have taken you for being a neophyte. On reflection, I can
appreciate the warnings were overkill.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Dagnab it, Richard, double negatives or not, I appreciate the tutorial.
Certain neurological events have reduced further my already modest ability
and quickness in grasping, eg, phishing, sans elmering such as you provided.
Otoh, it (the reduction) isn't all bad. I've recovered a portion of the
longlost ability of looking at things with the eyes of a child, which eyes
can overlook at least some of the egregious compartmentalization rife in
adult discourse.

If nothing else, I get a kick out of your rhetorical flourishes, usually,
once they sink in ;o)

Best regards's,

David Windisch, N3HE

"Impeach Kirchhoff and Ohm."

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:56:36 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:
Phishing. I hope this last term is not lost on you.

It is not. Thanks.

Hi John,

Sorry, it occured to me through my reading double negatives that I
appear to have taken you for being a neophyte. On reflection, I can
appreciate the warnings were overkill.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Hi John,

Historically, there have been MANY authors, all making claims to be
different persons OR there has been ONE author claiming to be
different persons FROM ONE account that is not a professional address.
ALL supposed authors claim to be working for a commercial business
selling fractal antennas. However, this is strictly speculation as
absolutely no evidence of this commercial pursuit is apparent in ANY
correspondence.

Stilted or otherwise, the confusion resides at one common point
originating these messages. In just the past week I've seen several
messages posted by two sides of a dialogue BOTH claiming to be the
same correspondent from different addresses. Signatures at the bottom
of a post are a wholly insecure means of asserting identity. Further,
individuals attempting to draw you into commercial correspondence
through non-commercial addresses (accounts) are the leading form of
Phishing. I hope this last term is not lost on you.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Hi Richard,

This READS like language, but doesn't really say anything, IMO.

Please ID the "techno-fraud" which you expose in your fractal antenna
website--that's your word. And what patents do you claim your amateur web page
has managed to render useless? You said this too.Hmmm:-)?

And what exactly is this early 1800's prior art you allude to that renders
fractal antennas as public domain? Perhaps you have a knowledge base which
extends before Hertz, and even Maxwell:-)?

I am sure I am not the only one who would share the fascination of details to
your claims.

You are not a man short of words; use a few concise words to flesh it out,
kindly.

73,
Chip N1IR

European company is under the same conditions (and it turns out that they
have
been following these exchanges).

That's nice.

For sixty million, apparently, I imagine they may send you antennas for free:-)

Unfortunately you can't count investor money as sales revenue...

Are they profitable yet? I know a company that is:-)

73,
Chip N1IR

STUFF IT, DIP****!

"Fractenna" wrote in message
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You are not a man short of words; use a few concise words to flesh it out,
kindly.

73,
Chip N1IR

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:56:36 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:
Phishing. I hope this last term is not lost on you.

It is not. Thanks.

Hi John,

Sorry, it occured to me through my reading double negatives that I
appear to have taken you for being a neophyte. On reflection, I can
appreciate the warnings were overkill.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


No apologies necessary. I don't mind being taken for a neophyte, just please
don't take me for an expert.

Thanks for the interesting insight.

John

European company is under the same conditions (and it turns out that they
have
been following these exchanges).

That's nice.

For sixty million, apparently, I imagine they may send you antennas for
free:-)

Unfortunately you can't count investor money as sales revenue...

Are they profitable yet?

Don't know, don't care now. As I don't get a commission on their sales, I've
gone on to another project. I do know that they have promised samples to them
by Nov. 15th for the RFID tags.

Off to LA and another project now. BTW, never did get that "commercial"
application info.....

A

Off to LA and another project now. BTW, never did get that "commercial"
application info.....


Never got the form from you....can't proceed without info.

73,
Chip N1IR