hehe

Perl is obfusication personified and suitable for small jobs only.

Java , C++ and most other OO languages are scalable.

speaking of s l o w
no matter how fast they make processors
no matter how much memory
no matter how large the hard drive
as soon as they're on the market
someone will write the app
that will bring it to its knees
that's the job of M$ ;-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been
available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is
really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel
code in Linux...

... it is slow...

There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time
(but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language
is
enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows
wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are
fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they
implemented
Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it...
Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly
"compiling"
only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to
copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with
ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in
webpages...
the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows
system...
what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since
SUN
sued, you must get their binaries...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript.
Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series
(AS/400)
C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#)
You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they
are
compiled - but not to machine language.
Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework.
Java will run on most platforms.
C# will run on windows.
Java rules.
C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear.
I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me
for
OO.
When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and
servlets.


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the
"C"
programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to
use
a
scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows
XP
no
longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly
should)
java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the
SUN
Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious
webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few
are
successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java...

Warmest regards,
John

Hal:

LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS
THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point...

However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and
pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked,
"WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin

.... however, point well taken...
Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
...
hehe

Perl is obfusication personified and suitable for small jobs only.

Java , C++ and most other OO languages are scalable.

speaking of s l o w
no matter how fast they make processors
no matter how much memory
no matter how large the hard drive
as soon as they're on the market
someone will write the app
that will bring it to its knees
that's the job of M$ ;-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been
available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is
really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel
code in Linux...

... it is slow...

There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time
(but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language
is
enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding...
windows
wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are
fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they
implemented
Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it...
Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly
"compiling"
only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to
copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with
ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in
webpages...
the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows
system...
what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since
SUN
sued, you must get their binaries...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript.
Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for
i-series
(AS/400)
C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#)
You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they
are
compiled - but not to machine language.
Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework.
Java will run on most platforms.
C# will run on windows.
Java rules.
C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear.
I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me
for
OO.
When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and
servlets.


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the
"C"
programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to
use
a
scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows
XP
no
longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly
should)
java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the
SUN
Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious
webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few
are
successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java...

Warmest regards,
John

Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report
generation.
And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages.

To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol
and the procedural languages.
You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking
(and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me)
Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold')
at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough.
Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts
its a different way of thinking about programming.

google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little
more insight into the OO-way.



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL
IS
THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point...

However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and
pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I
asked,
"WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin

... however, point well taken...
Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/

Warmest regards,
John

There is no Object Orientated Assembly Language (by definition)--it is the
way you write the assembly code which will either make it OOP specification
compliant, or not--I was lucky, I naturally wrote code that way, when it
made/makes sense... from the start I seen myself showing up with a briefcase
full of cdroms, all containing code from past projects, and written with
procedure/function calls, containing data which was appropriate for each,
using NO global data (well, sometimes ya gotta), appropriate use of dynamic
and static .dll calls, so as to be sane, etc, etc... and constructing whole,
new programs from what has already been built with highly structured code...

This is all OOP is--however, the "Pseudo-Intellectuals" immediately start
banding about such terms, and do not understand that these terms are based
on very simple principals--and that one does NOT need an "Object Orientated
Language" to create such code--and yes, except for all data having to be
global in the past, in Perl, you could have always written OOP in Perl if
you had chosen (for the most part, that has all changed, now you can keep
data and variables local)--sometimes, I still choose not to...

Java is a scripting language which can be "compiled", it is not a good
language--it is popular with scriptkiddies (black hats) which think "C code"
is difficult for others to understand--it is "C Syntax" and I am writing my
memoirs in "C" !!!! grin

In the industry we watch out for people showing up and using "OOP" as they
would George Bushes' name, or as a holy mantra--it shows they are either
fresh out of college, or "Weekend Programmers", or worse, scriptkiddies...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
.. .
Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report
generation.
And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages.

To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol
and the procedural languages.
You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking
(and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me)
Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold')
at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough.
Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts
its a different way of thinking about programming.

google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little
more insight into the OO-way.



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL
IS
THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your
point...

However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and
pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I
asked,
"WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin

... however, point well taken...
Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/

Warmest regards,
John

I'm glad you finally see it all my way.
:-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
There is no Object Orientated Assembly Language (by definition)--it is the
way you write the assembly code which will either make it OOP
specification
compliant, or not--I was lucky, I naturally wrote code that way, when it
made/makes sense... from the start I seen myself showing up with a
briefcase
full of cdroms, all containing code from past projects, and written with
procedure/function calls, containing data which was appropriate for each,
using NO global data (well, sometimes ya gotta), appropriate use of
dynamic
and static .dll calls, so as to be sane, etc, etc... and constructing
whole,
new programs from what has already been built with highly structured
code...

This is all OOP is--however, the "Pseudo-Intellectuals" immediately start
banding about such terms, and do not understand that these terms are based
on very simple principals--and that one does NOT need an "Object
Orientated
Language" to create such code--and yes, except for all data having to be
global in the past, in Perl, you could have always written OOP in Perl if
you had chosen (for the most part, that has all changed, now you can keep
data and variables local)--sometimes, I still choose not to...

Java is a scripting language which can be "compiled", it is not a good
language--it is popular with scriptkiddies (black hats) which think "C
code"
is difficult for others to understand--it is "C Syntax" and I am writing
my
memoirs in "C" !!!! grin

In the industry we watch out for people showing up and using "OOP" as they
would George Bushes' name, or as a holy mantra--it shows they are either
fresh out of college, or "Weekend Programmers", or worse, scriptkiddies...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
.. .
Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report
generation.
And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of
languages.

To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than
Cobol
and the procedural languages.
You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking
(and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me)
Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold')
at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough.
Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts
its a different way of thinking about programming.

google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a
little
more insight into the OO-way.



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE
H3LL
IS
THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your
point...

However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and
pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I
asked,
"WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin

... however, point well taken...
Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/

Warmest regards,
John

Hal:

Too bad really--makes for a boring discussion...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
...
I'm glad you finally see it all my way.
:-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
There is no Object Orientated Assembly Language (by definition)--it is
the
way you write the assembly code which will either make it OOP
specification
compliant, or not--I was lucky, I naturally wrote code that way, when it
made/makes sense... from the start I seen myself showing up with a
briefcase
full of cdroms, all containing code from past projects, and written with
procedure/function calls, containing data which was appropriate for each,
using NO global data (well, sometimes ya gotta), appropriate use of
dynamic
and static .dll calls, so as to be sane, etc, etc... and constructing
whole,
new programs from what has already been built with highly structured
code...

This is all OOP is--however, the "Pseudo-Intellectuals" immediately start
banding about such terms, and do not understand that these terms are
based
on very simple principals--and that one does NOT need an "Object
Orientated
Language" to create such code--and yes, except for all data having to be
global in the past, in Perl, you could have always written OOP in Perl if
you had chosen (for the most part, that has all changed, now you can keep
data and variables local)--sometimes, I still choose not to...

Java is a scripting language which can be "compiled", it is not a good
language--it is popular with scriptkiddies (black hats) which think "C
code"
is difficult for others to understand--it is "C Syntax" and I am writing
my
memoirs in "C" !!!! grin

In the industry we watch out for people showing up and using "OOP" as
they
would George Bushes' name, or as a holy mantra--it shows they are either
fresh out of college, or "Weekend Programmers", or worse,
scriptkiddies...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
.. .
Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report
generation.
And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of
languages.

To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than
Cobol
and the procedural languages.
You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking
(and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me)
Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold')
at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough.
Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO
concepts
its a different way of thinking about programming.

google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a
little
more insight into the OO-way.



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE
H3LL
IS
THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your
point...

However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and
pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I
asked,
"WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin

... however, point well taken...
Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/

Warmest regards,
John

Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and
Python.
(All 3 are object-oriented)
Special permission was needed for other languages
I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of
development.
Large projects -
with many developers of varying degrees of competence -
are easier to manage
using OO design.

If someone gives a coder a job like:
"write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and
return a abc class..."
he can go right to work. -and -
someone else can be coding a different method for the same class.

regardless of the language
when you code
you'll find some patterns
we all use
over and over
the difference is
syntax