Hal:

LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS
THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point...

However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and
pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked,
"WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin

.... however, point well taken...
Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
...
hehe

Perl is obfusication personified and suitable for small jobs only.

Java , C++ and most other OO languages are scalable.

speaking of s l o w
no matter how fast they make processors
no matter how much memory
no matter how large the hard drive
as soon as they're on the market
someone will write the app
that will bring it to its knees
that's the job of M$ ;-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been
available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is
really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel
code in Linux...

... it is slow...

There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time
(but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language
is
enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding...
windows
wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are
fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they
implemented
Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it...
Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly
"compiling"
only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to
copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with
ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in
webpages...
the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows
system...
what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since
SUN
sued, you must get their binaries...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript.
Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for
i-series
(AS/400)
C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#)
You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they
are
compiled - but not to machine language.
Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework.
Java will run on most platforms.
C# will run on windows.
Java rules.
C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear.
I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me
for
OO.
When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and
servlets.


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the
"C"
programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to
use
a
scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows
XP
no
longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly
should)
java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the
SUN
Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious
webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few
are
successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java...

Warmest regards,
John