Well, leave it to me--said that all wrong and only caught it on the re-read--which--naturally--I did AFTER posting...

I should have made it apparent that whatever ant I hook to it, will, of course--have to mimic that capacitive reactance you mentioned...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message ...
Hmmm, I have googled Richard... but not found anything other than standard baluns/auto-transformers and all too boring methods of using them... and yes, I could go expermenting on my own with these--was mainly hoping someone has walked this path before and already gleaned the best method, or at least could get me ranting, raving and thinking!!! grin My bark is MUCH worse than my bite yanno....

I didn't mean what the capacitve reactance of the pull-up whip was--itself, I meant to mean the input impedance which the input at the bottom of that whip expected to see...

It seems obivious they have provided some +J Ohms just past the bottom of that whip (or maybe not?)... however, input be high impedance and 1K+ ohms--and some non-reactive load could be assumed to be expected by it?

Warmest regards,
John

"Richard Clark" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 28 May 2005 20:35:59 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Boring.

I was wondering what the impedance the collapsed whip would present, and =

Hi Brett,

Depends on the frequency. EZNEC would answer that in a heartbeat.
Given your preference for backing into problem, at 10MHz, at 1M in
length, 1 - J 1Kohms.

what sort or a balun/auto-transformer could be used between a longwire =
(or other ant), gnd and the pull-up whip to improve reception...

Aw c'mon now, Google will give you this in another heartbeat.

... anyone ever done any experimenting or unique ideas?

Pons and Fleishman comes to mind - with many imitators....

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 28 May 2005 21:16:48 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Well, leave it to me--said that all wrong and only caught it on the re-read--which--naturally--I did AFTER posting...

I should have made it apparent that whatever ant I hook to it, will, of course--have to mimic that capacitive reactance you mentioned...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message ...
Hmmm, I have googled Richard... but not found anything other than standard baluns/auto-transformers and all too boring methods of using them... and yes, I could go expermenting on my own with these--was mainly hoping someone has walked this path before and already gleaned the best method, or at least could get me ranting, raving and thinking!!! grin My bark is MUCH worse than my bite yanno....

I didn't mean what the capacitve reactance of the pull-up whip was--itself, I meant to mean the input impedance which the input at the bottom of that whip expected to see...

It seems obivious they have provided some +J Ohms just past the bottom of that whip (or maybe not?)... however, input be high impedance and 1K+ ohms--and some non-reactive load could be assumed to be expected by it?

Warmest regards,
John

"Richard Clark" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 28 May 2005 20:35:59 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Boring.

I was wondering what the impedance the collapsed whip would present, and =

Hi Brett,

Depends on the frequency. EZNEC would answer that in a heartbeat.
Given your preference for backing into problem, at 10MHz, at 1M in
length, 1 - J 1Kohms.

what sort or a balun/auto-transformer could be used between a longwire =
(or other ant), gnd and the pull-up whip to improve reception...

Aw c'mon now, Google will give you this in another heartbeat.

... anyone ever done any experimenting or unique ideas?

Pons and Fleishman comes to mind - with many imitators....

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 28 May 2005 21:16:48 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
This is still boring.

Well, leave it to me--said that all wrong and only caught it on the =
re-read--which--naturally--I did AFTER posting...

I should have made it apparent that whatever ant I hook to it, will, of =
course--have to mimic that capacitive reactance you mentioned...

And you had to post a 170 line message to pass on 4 lines of
information? This goes from boring to lazy.

The capacitive reactance comes free with the whip.

You will drum up a 100 responses on what's better - what is odder is
that all those great ideas haven't become ordinary after 50 years or
more. And after, what, 17 - 18 years? no one's figured out how to
power NYC with a Zippo's full of cold fusion either. Strange thing
about invention - doesn't seem to work all the time (or worse,
anytime).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

That is why I top post, so I can ignore the house cleaning...
Now, if there were a setting somewhere in this cheap M$ product which said something like, "Include no more that ??? lines of previous posts in reply..."--I'd use it! grin

Yes Richard, I still have not given up--perhaps there are people comming up with fresh ideas--even when I can't...

Warmest regards
John

"Richard Clark" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 28 May 2005 21:16:48 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
This is still boring.

Well, leave it to me--said that all wrong and only caught it on the =
re-read--which--naturally--I did AFTER posting...

I should have made it apparent that whatever ant I hook to it, will, of =
course--have to mimic that capacitive reactance you mentioned...

And you had to post a 170 line message to pass on 4 lines of
information? This goes from boring to lazy.

The capacitive reactance comes free with the whip.

You will drum up a 100 responses on what's better - what is odder is
that all those great ideas haven't become ordinary after 50 years or
more. And after, what, 17 - 18 years? no one's figured out how to
power NYC with a Zippo's full of cold fusion either. Strange thing
about invention - doesn't seem to work all the time (or worse,
anytime).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sun, 29 May 2005 08:51:22 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
119 Line response to a 25 line post, and with only 6 lines of new
content.

In article ,
Richard Clark wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2005 08:51:22 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
119 Line response to a 25 line post, and with only 6 lines of new
content.

Snip

He responded to your post that way because you are full of it. Most of
what you posted is either wrong, off topic or unhelpful. Take your
pick.

Just about anyone reading rec.radio.shortwave has connected some wire
to a portable radio and gotten an improvement in being able to hear a
weak signal.

About the only right, on topic comment you made out of a long post was
about signal to noise being most important factor in the receiving
antenna system.

AND...

I'm not somebody's old wife.

I'm not a CB'er.

I have a clear head.

I understand how BALUNs work.

I did not imagine it or indulge in wishful thinking and the improvement
wasn't just by chance.

I'm not waiting to buy a Chinese portable.

I understand the economics of electronic engineering.

Since most of your 119 line post is pure disregard for anyone else's
experience or opinion I may have missed some.

If you can't make a non condescending on topic post then go away please.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon:

Don't take offense to Richard, believe it or not, I have kinda grown to like his banter, do you like Shakespeare? Richard does that to... all joking aside, Richard is ok, he is just different...

But, thanks for your post... I am glad others have "wondered" my "wonders" and experimented as I...

Warmest regards,
John
"Telamon" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Richard Clark wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2005 08:51:22 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
119 Line response to a 25 line post, and with only 6 lines of new
content.

Snip

He responded to your post that way because you are full of it. Most of
what you posted is either wrong, off topic or unhelpful. Take your
pick.

Just about anyone reading rec.radio.shortwave has connected some wire
to a portable radio and gotten an improvement in being able to hear a
weak signal.

About the only right, on topic comment you made out of a long post was
about signal to noise being most important factor in the receiving
antenna system.

AND...

I'm not somebody's old wife.

I'm not a CB'er.

I have a clear head.

I understand how BALUNs work.

I did not imagine it or indulge in wishful thinking and the improvement
wasn't just by chance.

I'm not waiting to buy a Chinese portable.

I understand the economics of electronic engineering.

Since most of your 119 line post is pure disregard for anyone else's
experience or opinion I may have missed some.

If you can't make a non condescending on topic post then go away please.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sun, 29 May 2005 21:15:15 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

About the only right, on topic comment you made out of a long post was
about signal to noise being most important factor in the receiving
antenna system.

Hi OM,

That was not me, and given that inaccuracy in reporting (says
something doesn't it?) makes the following suspect:

AND...

I'm not somebody's old wife.

I'm not a CB'er.

I have a clear head.

I understand how BALUNs work.

I did not imagine it or indulge in wishful thinking and the improvement
wasn't just by chance.

I'm not waiting to buy a Chinese portable.

I understand the economics of electronic engineering.

Since most of your 119 line post is pure disregard for anyone else's
experience or opinion I may have missed some.

This last comment of course, is prophetic by example with an obvious
negative expectation. ;-)

If you can't make a non condescending on topic post then go away please.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 28 May 2005 21:16:48 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Boring.

Whatever Brett did to his posting apparatus, the text now falls off
the right edge of the screen (in an Agent reader), requiring back and
forth scrolling to read anything.

bob
k5qwg

Bob:

I have put on an ancient compiler here... borland turbo pascal... don't know if it related--all started then (and a LOT of other weird stuff to--running windows xp with sp2 and all patches up to date), bear with me while I seek a solution--please... it is microsoft junk yanno... frown

Warmest regards,
John

"Bob Miller" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 28 May 2005 21:16:48 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Boring.

Whatever Brett did to his posting apparatus, the text now falls off
the right edge of the screen (in an Agent reader), requiring back and
forth scrolling to read anything.

bob
k5qwg