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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
uhhhh..... good point. Not sure what your point applies to... but OK, we all
agree that radio is a useful invention. What were we talking about again? rb "David G. Nagel" wrote in message ... an old friend wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: Dirk wrote: Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a lives. How many times in the entire history of amateur radio has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would think there would be a book full of examples by now. A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic. how many life were saved thereby the Carpathia wheard the call and arrived to save some folks what role did the ARS playing in saving even one life that sorry day? We aren't talking about failure to receive a CW SOS. Those ships that responded did so after receiving word of the sinking by radio. They saved many lives from the lifeboats which would otherwise have been lost to the cold. Dave N |
Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message m... Reg Edwards wrote: But there's nothing to prevent people who appreciate and love the language of Morse, the way it sings, its universality, its beauty, from continuing to use it way into the future. The same is true of sailing ships, hot-air balloons, and horses. Do what turns you on and leave the @#$%&$ federal government out of it. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ======================================== I like watching gleaming reciprocating stationary steam engines with 8 feet diameter flywheels. They turn me on too. The government doesn't interfere. But there's not many about these days. ;o( Turbines leave me cold! ---- Reg. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
The Titanic knew their coordinates.... didn't slow the influx of H20....
The responding ships had radios too... didn't turn their props any faster.... Answer to the question.... there was no system then. CW can punch through if there is a human on the other end, where GPS/packet says 'no signal'.... GPS is faster, where CW takes longer.... so one is obsolete, the other inferior. rb "Cecil Moore" wrote in message .com... Dave wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic. Yep!! It happened once! If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system had existed at the time, how would things have turned out? Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Good Lord, are you saying that a 1 jigawatt transmitter and an Infinity
times Pi speed ham operator couldn't telepathically float a swamped ship, and thwart hypothermia of people in the water??? How crass. Can you tell I'm off today and quite bored? LOL rb "Dave" wrote in message . .. Cecil Moore wrote: Dave wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic. Yep!! It happened once! If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system had existed at the time, how would things have turned out? Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete? C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. Does that mean we're virtually obsolete? RE Titanic: The same result would have happened. The ship hit an iceberg in poor visibility. I don't think icebergs carry GPS transponders these days. Now, the Titanic's GPS; does it have transponder capability? The older GPS units do not. Anyway, after the crew slipped by the iceberg that ripped it open, the radio op gets on the air and reports "SOS" or equivalent. The nearest ships respond. Under conditions similar to 1914{?} the Titanic still sinks. Many people still die. But, now we know to 20 feet exactly where the ship was when it sank. GPS won't make a difference. Neither will CW today. I still enjoy CW. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Hey, if an alien force ever invades our planet and demands that we pass a
40wpm code test or they will annihilate the planet, then yes, it would! Never say never. rb ps: Yeah, all is see on these groups is stupidity... might as well enjoy it. :-) no offense to the OP's here.... just making a generalized statement about this whole thread and others like it. "Cecil Moore" wrote in message om... Dave wrote: C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. Does that mean we're virtually obsolete? My favorite mode is CW and it's a fun mode but it is never going to save the world. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
.....and ammo, for control of rabid cw ops who finally figure out there's no
one listening and come to steal said food and water.... rb "Cecil Moore" wrote in message . com... Slow Code wrote: With an attitude like that it probably won't. Better keep a microphone handy. Actually, what I keep handy is food and water. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Wow.... so you could almost say the reason there was such a disaster
[notwithstanding the time period and simple circumstance] is that all these radio operators [and companies] were acting like a bunch of egotistical morons, each thinking their way to be better, and that most vessels communications, wireless ops and policies were almost.............. amateur........... in nature? LOL... rb "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... clfe wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... It was before the Titanic hit the iceberg that the Titanic CW operator told the Californian CW operator to get off the air. He considered his normal Titanic CW message traffic to have priority over any CW traffic that the Californian might need to pass. Turns out the Californian's CW operator was the only person in the world who could have saved the life of the Titanic's CW operator. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp In that case then - I stand corrected, I was unaware of that. It's totaly untrue. The Californian's radio operator ignored the Titanic's distress signals because the Titanic was a Marconi ship and the Californian was a Telefunken ship. The operators were not allowed to communicate with the competing company's operators under any circumstances under penalty of being put off the ship at first landing, with no hope of getting home or being hired by the other company. I recently blogged about it: http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/2006/06/22/ Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
And I say I agree with the problem that mentioned for the cw being needed
and life saving station for the pc with no code. It'll never work and if it does it will only be working a pc and if that is not the person then it is not the same so you can say it didn't work anyway because it wasn't a person that needed it. So there. rb "Bill Turner" wrote in message ... ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On 12 Jul 2006 10:24:55 -0700, "an old freind" wrote: if i was at my home station is no they would not die and I am as no code as they come I down right hate the mode and yet y pc and station is quite able to work cw as needed to save a life if it was needed ------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------ He apparently hates English too. Bill, W6WRT |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Well there ya have it folks.... 50wpm saves lives. So how does it work?
Turn up the speaker really loud and place it [face down] on the person's chest, while an op in South America tapped out universally accepted words that would mimic an atrioventricular rhythm? Wrong theatre? OK... Maybe if a person is trapped on a sinking ship in the Indian Ocean you, in Siberia, could tap out a message to someone in Madagascar [who happened to be awake at an odd hour] and that person also owned a large SAR chopper, they could jump in it, saving the time of relaying to anyone else, and go pluck them from certain death? OH, or better yet... if your neighbor is also a ham.... and your wife fell over with an AMI, you could call your neighbor, give him a freq, then the two of you get set up and running, then you can send a 50wpm message asking your neighbor to call an ambulance? BTW, if the phones are down, you ask him to get in his car and drive down to the local EMS agency, and bring them to you. Life saved! I'm impressed. rb "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... (Dirk) wrote in : Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a lives. The person would not die on my watch, as long as I could get a signal out and someone on the other end could copy it. I'd probably have to practice a bit to get back up over 50wpm, but I can do 25 or 30 all day long. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Not true.... commercial stations ID with CW all the time. It's great for
zero-priority use. rb "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. "clfe" wrote in : "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. wrote in s.com: If you asked the same question to someone who had only passed 5 wpm and then, like me, never used it, then I suspect the victim wouldn't make it. But then in most countries there is NO morse code testing any more, so there are plenty of hams now who've never learnt atall. For decades there have been no code VHF hams in most countries anyway. To "some" extent, I "may" have to disagree. I held a class once for "No Code Tech" and one of the guys - a man in his 70s asked if he could go for the code test even though I wasn't teaching code. He said he had learned it years ago in the service - but may be rusty. Let me tell you - when he was done testing, he had PERFECT copy. Was he practicing all along? We'll never know - nor did I ask. He has since passed on. Some people DO have a good memory and retain quite well. Others - lose things almost immediately if not used. Some of us, it takes a while to lose it and we usually do. Lou It is possible that someone could learn at 5wpm, not use it for years, and still be able to use it, but I wouldn't want to bet my life on it. More to the point is I can't magine a scenario in which CW would be the only mode available, and that hams are about the only remaining users of CW. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
LOL...... amen, brother...
Don't continue to show intelligence, though.... it disturbs the natives.... rb "Fred McKenzie" wrote in message ... In article , "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: Assuming some weird contrived scenario where I had the equipment to send CW but not phone, it would depend what frequencies it worked on. I think this is the nature of the premise on which the original post was based. Compare it to a similar situation, where a film camera user is debating a digital camera user: "If you came upon a drowning man, and you had to choose whether to save him or photograph his demise, what kind of film would you use?" |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Ha... yeah, only a ham radio operator would use a non-digital camera.....
and then it would have to be a daguerreotype. rb "Brian Denley" wrote in message ... an old friend wrote: Slow Code wrote: (Fred McKenzie) wrote in : In article , "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: "If you came upon a drowning man, and you had to choose whether to save him or photograph his demise, what kind of film would you use?" Getting rid of CW is like choosing the kind of film. Ham radio is drowning and the anti-code hams want us to think tossing it bricks will make it float better. Dumbing things down is never an improvement. nobody is talking about dummbing anything down you are indeed you advocate dummbing down radio and giving hf only to the unintelgent SC Knowing CW is NO indication of any level of intelligence, technical or otherwise! BTW film is seeing it's last days too. Ask Kodak! -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html |
Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
Why would they be? 10th graders aren't interested in listening to a bunch of
60yr old men act like 8th graders. :-) rb "Jimmie D" wrote in message .. . Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like hams, they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW is important and fun. All they see is hams gabbing on a microphone like any CB'er can do. SC Actually a lot of tghe boy scouts know morse code, they still arent intersted in ham radio. |
Morse Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
LOL
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: You can hear the change in noise as a carrier goes on and off. It's extremely difficult to copy high speed CW like that if the signal is strong, but a weak signal or slower CW is just as easy to copy as noise as it is to copy as a pure tone. T1 doesn't mean uncopyable, it just means ragged tone. So now amateurs and SWL's should be Morse code proficient not only using tones but using the swishing sound made when a BFO is not present? The swishing sound is coming from aliens. Try making the same sounds back to them. You might get a more intelligent conversation going than the one in this cross posted thread. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
..... yup, and to complete the circle we should also learn both the older and
newer versions of it, because you never know when some poor 90yr old ex-radio op is gonna fire up his spark-gap and send out a distress call using non-international code..... It's all about being prepared, ppl.... rb "Tom" wrote in message ... "Cecil Moore" wrote in message .net... Al Klein wrote: How honest is it to memorize answers to a test? How honest is it to memorize Morse code? Or should Morse code be derived from first principles? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Lets face it folks to be a well rounded Ham one should learn CW. You never know when it will come in handy. I am not that good at it, maybe a step or less above a Novice, but I like to fool around with it. One ought to think about learning it in do time even though it is not required. My 2 cents worth. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Won't work.... memorizing is learning. You know where you live because you
memorized it. You know what a diode is because you read it somewhere. Reading a book or taking a class on radio would require you retain [memorize] what you are told or read. The information on radio should be kept secret, and the real test would be this: Here's a radio. Take it with you. Come back in 30 days and explain how it works. Then you get your owner's license, and can buy a radio. Next test is to listen on-air to the CW [as there is no reason to use phone, if you already speak a language.] and figure out the code without any text or charts. Then you get your operator's license. When you can do that, then you can act like you've accomplished something. rb "Cecil Moore" wrote in message . .. K4YZ wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: Then why isn't knowledge of Morse code and the CW mode sufficient? Why must someone be forced to memorize the individual characters? Probably, Cecil, since it would then make it difficult to pass the test. You missed the point. The Morse code skill exam requires memorizing the characters. Memorizing is being condemned as an evil act. Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
This reply has absolutely no significance or meaning. It was just a good
place to add a reply. Helps even out the sawtooth shape of the posts as I scroll down them. rb "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Bill Turner wrote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On 4 Aug 2006 14:18:12 -0700, "an old freind" wrote: i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not, time change ignorance fixed ------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------ Text like the above is what comes out when I try to copy CW. can you still read it when you do it Bill, W6WRT 20 WPM Extra, but just barely |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Woody on Tues, Aug 22 2006 12:50 pm
The Titanic knew their coordinates.... didn't slow the influx of H20.... The responding ships had radios too... didn't turn their props any faster.... The year was 1912...NINETY-FOUR YEARS AGO. Answer to the question.... there was no system then. The predecessor organization for SOLAS had not yet made 500 KHz the international distress and safety frequency. "SOLAS" is an acronym for Safety Of Life At Sea. CW can punch through if there is a human on the other end, where GPS/packet says 'no signal'.... GPS is faster, where CW takes longer.... so one is obsolete, the other inferior. The International Maritime Community settled the 'morse issue.' They DROPPED it in favor of GMDSS (Global Marine Distress and Safety System), a semi-automated system which can be operated by anyone of the bridge crew on a ship (it needs little instruction on use). GMDSS messages are automatically routed to ground stations (note plural) via satellite relay. Those ground stations can coordinate rescue missions. A shipboard GMDS station doesn't HAVE to have a GPS receiver to feed it position data but all those which have one have no complaint about this alleged "loss of signal." Position data can be entered manually to a GMDS station. The bridge crew will have a running record of the ship's position in either event. The United States Coast Guard has DROPPED continuous monitoring of the 500 KHz distress frequency some years ago. Several other countries have done so. A following question is WHO will you believe on the efficacy of communications? The entire international maritime community or a bunch of myth-happy amateur morsemen? In a sentient, intelligent mind, ANY form of communications is good for use in matters involving life and death. The FCC thinks (rightly) so and says as much in Part 1 of Title 47 C.F.R. [Part 97 is not the entirety of regulations on amateur radio in the USA] -------------------- In a preceding message set: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message Dave wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic. Yep!! It happened once! It happened NINETY-FOUR YEARS AGO. If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system had existed at the time, how would things have turned out? I have to fault Cecil's erudite and intelligent mindset on that...although his motor looks good in his picture. :-) One CANNOT base any intelligent argument about ALTERNATE universes of different times and places. It hasn't happened in our present time-space continuum. In 1912 "radio" was in its infancy, having been first shown and demonstrated as a communications medium just 16 years prior. There were extremely few ships which had vacuum tubes as active devices to aid those first "radios." The tube was only 6 years old, the triode invented in 1906. To argue about "GPS" (which is not an integral part of GMDSS but can be) versus morse code is ludicrous. GPS relies on a time-frequency standard within each of the 24 GPS satellites which is comparable to the best time- frequency source at NIST. [the quartz crystal oscillator wasn't yet invented in 1912] Each satellite needs solid-state circuitry to make it function within a relatively small package. [the best "solid-state" device of 1912 was a galena crystal detector with its famous "cat's whisker"] The whole GPSS needed rocketry advanced enough to put all the satellites into orbit. [rocketry wasn't perfected for that purpose until after WW2] Those rockets needed launch guidance aided by radar systems. [radar, or rather a primitive system of it, wasn't tried until 1932 in a harbor area of France] However, "morse code" was used in the landline Morse-Vail Telegraph System working before the American Civil War and simple enough to turn a spark transmitter on and off as on the Titanic. Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete? On-off keyed CW. Except in the mindset of the ARRL. The IARU knows better. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm
wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm If the league pushes the morse testing issue too hard, it will become obvious to the 25% that are members. I don't think so. The Amateur Radiotelegraphy Society is very firmly SET in their ideas of keeping the "heritage" and "tradition" of being a living museum of archaic radio. Those firm believers and worshippers at the Church of St. Hiram are disciples and they haven't had their last supper yet. I have no objection to them trying to prservs thier mode the ARS is big enough even for unproductive thing It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. Don't know if you've heard yet, but the ARRL and robesin announced that MARS and TSA have an agreement for armageddon communications. Heh heh, I wouldn't doubt it... :-) [via "giant meteor bounce?" ... off the earth, that is? :-) ] I thought Robesin had put on his (invisible) USMC uniform and was busy pounding brass with the USCG offshore from Beirut to evacuate US civilians? :-) now that remark I must take you to task for the last thing we want to sugest that robeson might wear is something invisible now that image IS a sexauly distrubing one Ahem...my reference was the old fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes." :-) i thougt as much OTOH the image of robeson nude is still well To me it is UNwell... :-) That's the one where a full-of-himself ruler ordered some new clothes and the tailor buttered him up (while not sewing any new clothes) so much that the Emperor bought into this pandering to his ego and appeared in public with his "new clothes" (he was naked). Needless to say, the public laughed and laughed at this ridiculous spectacle. :-) indeed i laugh at him myself ruefully with the added though that this is thebest the procoder can muster Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Robeson has been all full of himself in here about his alleged "USMC service" yet he has presented zero-point-zero evidence from anyone else (or any legitimate agency) that he ever served on active USMC duty for any of his claimed "18 years." Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] In another recent post, Robesin keeps referring to a "CV." That's an acronym for the Latin 'curriculum vitae,' a list of life experiences (education, work experience). In the electronics industry, indeed in MOST industries, those applying for jobs don't present a curriculum vitae, just a RESUME of education-work experience. Some academics may use "CV" but Personnel departments still look over resumes. Just one more little gaffe on Robesin's part, trying to LOOK experienced when he is NOT. Even though he NOW thinks of himself AS the amateur radio service personified (anything against him is somehow against ALL radio amateurs), he is still parodying the "Emperor." Another sign of his megalomania, purporting to "represent all" and, by extension, anyone against Him is "against all radio amateurs." Robesin desperately needs SOMETHING to hold up his self-esteem and he uses amateur radio for that selfish purpose. It is like his infamous snot-on-the- moustache CAP flight suit picture, big on rank, title, and with implications of status. CAP is NOT about amateur radio but Robesin keeps on harping about it as if it "proved" something about his amateur radio abilities. He does the same with his "ER nurse qualifications" but those have absolutely nothing to do with radio, amateur or professional. But, challenge Robesin or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? |
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K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge (Anderson) or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. (Anderson) MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with (Anderson) in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Um.... you know, just saying "I agree" would have been a lot simpler and
saved you 2 pages of typing.... LOL. rb wrote in message oups.com... From: Woody on Tues, Aug 22 2006 12:50 pm The Titanic knew their coordinates.... didn't slow the influx of H20.... The responding ships had radios too... didn't turn their props any faster.... The year was 1912...NINETY-FOUR YEARS AGO. Answer to the question.... there was no system then. The predecessor organization for SOLAS had not yet made 500 KHz the international distress and safety frequency. "SOLAS" is an acronym for Safety Of Life At Sea. CW can punch through if there is a human on the other end, where GPS/packet says 'no signal'.... GPS is faster, where CW takes longer.... so one is obsolete, the other inferior. The International Maritime Community settled the 'morse issue.' They DROPPED it in favor of GMDSS (Global Marine Distress and Safety System), a semi-automated system which can be operated by anyone of the bridge crew on a ship (it needs little instruction on use). GMDSS messages are automatically routed to ground stations (note plural) via satellite relay. Those ground stations can coordinate rescue missions. A shipboard GMDS station doesn't HAVE to have a GPS receiver to feed it position data but all those which have one have no complaint about this alleged "loss of signal." Position data can be entered manually to a GMDS station. The bridge crew will have a running record of the ship's position in either event. The United States Coast Guard has DROPPED continuous monitoring of the 500 KHz distress frequency some years ago. Several other countries have done so. A following question is WHO will you believe on the efficacy of communications? The entire international maritime community or a bunch of myth-happy amateur morsemen? In a sentient, intelligent mind, ANY form of communications is good for use in matters involving life and death. The FCC thinks (rightly) so and says as much in Part 1 of Title 47 C.F.R. [Part 97 is not the entirety of regulations on amateur radio in the USA] -------------------- In a preceding message set: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message Dave wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic. Yep!! It happened once! It happened NINETY-FOUR YEARS AGO. If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system had existed at the time, how would things have turned out? I have to fault Cecil's erudite and intelligent mindset on that...although his motor looks good in his picture. :-) One CANNOT base any intelligent argument about ALTERNATE universes of different times and places. It hasn't happened in our present time-space continuum. In 1912 "radio" was in its infancy, having been first shown and demonstrated as a communications medium just 16 years prior. There were extremely few ships which had vacuum tubes as active devices to aid those first "radios." The tube was only 6 years old, the triode invented in 1906. To argue about "GPS" (which is not an integral part of GMDSS but can be) versus morse code is ludicrous. GPS relies on a time-frequency standard within each of the 24 GPS satellites which is comparable to the best time- frequency source at NIST. [the quartz crystal oscillator wasn't yet invented in 1912] Each satellite needs solid-state circuitry to make it function within a relatively small package. [the best "solid-state" device of 1912 was a galena crystal detector with its famous "cat's whisker"] The whole GPSS needed rocketry advanced enough to put all the satellites into orbit. [rocketry wasn't perfected for that purpose until after WW2] Those rockets needed launch guidance aided by radar systems. [radar, or rather a primitive system of it, wasn't tried until 1932 in a harbor area of France] However, "morse code" was used in the landline Morse-Vail Telegraph System working before the American Civil War and simple enough to turn a spark transmitter on and off as on the Titanic. Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete? On-off keyed CW. Except in the mindset of the ARRL. The IARU knows better. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in message news:N6JGg.27193$uV.6302@trnddc08... uhhhh..... good point. Not sure what your point applies to... but OK, we all agree that radio is a useful invention. What were we talking about again? rb "David G. Nagel" wrote in message ... an old friend wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: Dirk wrote: Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a lives. How many times in the entire history of amateur radio has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would think there would be a book full of examples by now. A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic. how many life were saved thereby the Carpathia wheard the call and arrived to save some folks what role did the ARS playing in saving even one life that sorry day? We aren't talking about failure to receive a CW SOS. Those ships that responded did so after receiving word of the sinking by radio. They saved many lives from the lifeboats which would otherwise have been lost to the cold. Dave N |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
t... jawod wrote: If MENSA membership is important to you, fine. Most of us find it a bit pretentious and downright silly. Ditto for the Morse code testing requirement. That was the whole point. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp As the little munchin said in the Wizard of Oz - opening up the window to Dorothy's insistent knocking - and she finally got her point across - "well now - that's a horse of a different color - why didn't you say so!" L. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm If the league pushes the morse testing issue too hard, it will become obvious to the 25% that are members. I don't think so. The Amateur Radiotelegraphy Society is very firmly SET in their ideas of keeping the "heritage" and "tradition" of being a living museum of archaic radio. Those firm believers and worshippers at the Church of St. Hiram are disciples and they haven't had their last supper yet. I have no objection to them trying to prservs thier mode the ARS is big enough even for unproductive thing It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. The ARRL is trying to soften their image - the latest QST shows a person using a, gulp, microphone on the FRONT cover! Just inside is yet another article on building a code key - from a door hinge. Don't know if you've heard yet, but the ARRL and robesin announced that MARS and TSA have an agreement for armageddon communications. Heh heh, I wouldn't doubt it... :-) [via "giant meteor bounce?" ... off the earth, that is? :-) ] I thought Robesin had put on his (invisible) USMC uniform and was busy pounding brass with the USCG offshore from Beirut to evacuate US civilians? :-) now that remark I must take you to task for the last thing we want to sugest that robeson might wear is something invisible now that image IS a sexauly distrubing one Ahem...my reference was the old fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes." :-) That's the one where a full-of-himself ruler ordered some new clothes and the tailor buttered him up (while not sewing any new clothes) so much that the Emperor bought into this pandering to his ego and appeared in public with his "new clothes" (he was naked). Needless to say, the public laughed and laughed at this ridiculous spectacle. :-) Robeson has been all full of himself in here about his alleged "USMC service" yet he has presented zero-point-zero evidence from anyone else (or any legitimate agency) that he ever served on active USMC duty for any of his claimed "18 years." Even though he NOW thinks of himself AS the amateur radio service personified (anything against him is somehow against ALL radio amateurs), he is still parodying the "Emperor." This just in from The ARRL Letter, Vol. 25, No. 33, August 18, 2006 "ARRL First Vice President Kay Craigie, N3KN, represented the League at the Global Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Conference 2006." "Craigie stressed that Amateur Radio needs to avoid "being dazzled by our own press clippings into thinking that we are the big dog in emergency telecommunications."" She refers to robesin-like attitudes within the ARS. didit! |
If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
K4YZ wrote: LenCan'tPassThe wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Geee? Robesin is still forging attributes... Some things just never change. Don't know if you've heard yet, but the ARRL and robesin announced that MARS and TSA have an agreement for armageddon communications. Heh heh, I wouldn't doubt it... "Armageddon"...?!?! No one announced "armageddon" in any release that I am aware of. Why did you? Yet more evidence of why it's better to have Lennie "Can't Pass An Exam" Anderson on the outside looking in. Steve, K4YZ The ARRL Letter, Vol. 25, No. 33, August 18, 2006 ARRL First Vice President Kay Craigie, N3KN, represented the League at the Global Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Conference 2006: "Craigie stressed that Amateur Radio needs to avoid "being dazzled by our own press clippings into thinking that we are the big dog in emergency telecommunications."" |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in
news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Well there ya have it folks.... 50wpm saves lives. So how does it work? Turn up the speaker really loud and place it [face down] on the person's chest, while an op in South America tapped out universally accepted words that would mimic an atrioventricular rhythm? Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Wrong theatre? OK... Maybe if a person is trapped on a sinking ship in the Indian Ocean you, in Siberia, could tap out a message to someone in Madagascar [who happened to be awake at an odd hour] and that person also owned a large SAR chopper, they could jump in it, saving the time of relaying to anyone else, and go pluck them from certain death? OH, or better yet... if your neighbor is also a ham.... and your wife fell over with an AMI, you could call your neighbor, give him a freq, then the two of you get set up and running, then you can send a 50wpm message asking your neighbor to call an ambulance? BTW, if the phones are down, you ask him to get in his car and drive down to the local EMS agency, and bring them to you. Life saved! I'm impressed. rb So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm If the league pushes the morse testing issue too hard, it will become obvious to the 25% that are members. I don't think so. The Amateur Radiotelegraphy Society is very firmly SET in their ideas of keeping the "heritage" and "tradition" of being a living museum of archaic radio. Those firm believers and worshippers at the Church of St. Hiram are disciples and they haven't had their last supper yet. I have no objection to them trying to prservs thier mode the ARS is big enough even for unproductive thing It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. Don't know if you've heard yet, but the ARRL and robesin announced that MARS and TSA have an agreement for armageddon communications. Heh heh, I wouldn't doubt it... :-) [via "giant meteor bounce?" ... off the earth, that is? :-) ] I thought Robesin had put on his (invisible) USMC uniform and was busy pounding brass with the USCG offshore from Beirut to evacuate US civilians? :-) now that remark I must take you to task for the last thing we want to sugest that robeson might wear is something invisible now that image IS a sexauly distrubing one Ahem...my reference was the old fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes." :-) i thougt as much OTOH the image of robeson nude is still well To me it is UNwell... :-) That's the one where a full-of-himself ruler ordered some new clothes and the tailor buttered him up (while not sewing any new clothes) so much that the Emperor bought into this pandering to his ego and appeared in public with his "new clothes" (he was naked). Needless to say, the public laughed and laughed at this ridiculous spectacle. :-) indeed i laugh at him myself ruefully with the added though that this is thebest the procoder can muster Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. Robeson has been all full of himself in here about his alleged "USMC service" yet he has presented zero-point-zero evidence from anyone else (or any legitimate agency) that he ever served on active USMC duty for any of his claimed "18 years." Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. In another recent post, Robesin keeps referring to a "CV." That's an acronym for the Latin 'curriculum vitae,' a list of life experiences (education, work experience). Maybe he meant "constant velocity" as in "CV joints" because he's always "spun up" about one thing or another. In the electronics industry, indeed in MOST industries, those applying for jobs don't present a curriculum vitae, just a RESUME of education-work experience. Some academics may use "CV" but Personnel departments still look over resumes. Just one more little gaffe on Robesin's part, trying to LOOK experienced when he is NOT. Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Even though he NOW thinks of himself AS the amateur radio service personified (anything against him is somehow against ALL radio amateurs), he is still parodying the "Emperor." Another sign of his megalomania, purporting to "represent all" and, by extension, anyone against Him is "against all radio amateurs." Robesin desperately needs SOMETHING to hold up his self-esteem and he uses amateur radio for that selfish purpose. It is like his infamous snot-on-the- moustache CAP flight suit picture, big on rank, title, and with implications of status. CAP is NOT about amateur radio but Robesin keeps on harping about it as if it "proved" something about his amateur radio abilities. He does the same with his "ER nurse qualifications" but those have absolutely nothing to do with radio, amateur or professional. But, challenge Robesin or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. |
If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. The ARRL is trying to soften their image - the latest QST shows a person using a, gulp, microphone on the FRONT cover! Good grief! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Just inside is yet another article on building a code key - from a door hinge. Oh, goody...HIGH TECH construction article. Would they follow that with another article on the door itself? Like, I mean, making the door a jar? :-) Ahem...my reference was the old fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes." :-) That's the one where a full-of-himself ruler ordered some new clothes and the tailor buttered him up (while not sewing any new clothes) so much that the Emperor bought into this pandering to his ego and appeared in public with his "new clothes" (he was naked). Needless to say, the public laughed and laughed at this ridiculous spectacle. :-) Robeson has been all full of himself in here about his alleged "USMC service" yet he has presented zero-point-zero evidence from anyone else (or any legitimate agency) that he ever served on active USMC duty for any of his claimed "18 years." Even though he NOW thinks of himself AS the amateur radio service personified (anything against him is somehow against ALL radio amateurs), he is still parodying the "Emperor." This just in from The ARRL Letter, Vol. 25, No. 33, August 18, 2006 "ARRL First Vice President Kay Craigie, N3KN, represented the League at the Global Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Conference 2006." "Craigie stressed that Amateur Radio needs to avoid "being dazzled by our own press clippings into thinking that we are the big dog in emergency telecommunications."" She refers to robesin-like attitudes within the ARS. Oh. My. God. ! ! ! Tsk, just because NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, ESPN, and PBS haven't covered the tremendously fantastic wonderfullest huge contribution to saving lives and property via ham radio? Gosh, there are all sorts of clippings from obscure weekly and biweekly newspapers dutifully cut-and-pasted into messages here from Robesin & Co. Maybe I'll have to write the Department of Defense and say that "Major" Robesin said that radio amateurs run MARS! They should fortwith cease and desist publishing DoD Directives on thinking that they started it and keep running it! Maybe I missed the "news" on the Home and Garden Channel...I don't watch that much... Right and all the other radio services are switching to morse code for all emergency communications a la ham radio...the sky has truly fallen! didit! Dahdah comrade. :-) |
If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
From: an old freind on Tues, Aug 22 2006 4:16 pm
K4YZ wrote: an old freind wrote: K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge Robeson or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help Get help for what? well a pro needs to way but Id say meglomanina paranoia, pathological lying for starts Give up on Robesin, Mark. He MUST remain "right" and He "must" rule. He isn't interested in civility. Once an "enemy" of his, always an enemy in his mind. Sick way to be but he is that way, repeatedly. He just proved it in the message you replied to. He is setting the example for all hams. Not going to help the amateur ranks in getting more hams but that is not, apparently, his point. Robesin needs to come out on TOP in his own mind, be chieftan, be the warlord. He also wants rec.radio.amateur. policy all his own to do with as he sees fit. [probably to have his daily fits in...] Ech... but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues Absolutely true, Mark. He tries to belittle his "enemies" so that He looks good. Problem is, it is working in reverse and he is only belittling himself. |
Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
But there's nothing to prevent people who appreciate and love the language of Morse, the way it sings, its universality, its beauty, from continuing to use it way into the future. It is the beauty of Morse, in plain English, never mind the abbreviations, which boy scouts and others who show an interest should be taught to appreciate. ---- Reg, G4FGQ I completely agree with you N2UBP |
If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
wrote: From: an old freind on Tues, Aug 22 2006 4:16 pm K4YZ wrote: an old freind wrote: K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge Robeson or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help Get help for what? well a pro needs to way but Id say meglomanina paranoia, pathological lying for starts Give up on Robesin, Mark. He MUST remain "right" and He "must" rule. He isn't interested in civility. Once an "enemy" of his, always an enemy in his mind. Sick way to be but he is that way, repeatedly. He just proved it in the message you replied to. I use him for punching bag hopeing he might give it up did you catch the bit where he claims that he is acting as MY firend I am gald I was not drinking something , i might have choked to death He is setting the example for all hams. Not going to help the amateur ranks in getting more hams but that is not, apparently, his point. Robesin needs to come out on TOP in his own mind, be chieftan, be the warlord. he is great as bad example. I use robeson posts as warning to people all the time I have specail set book marked to us as warning fo r where their behavoir might lead He also wants rec.radio.amateur. policy all his own to do with as he sees fit. [probably to have his daily fits in...] in a few day weeks or months I will quit this feild signing off here as KB9RQZ/AE Ech... but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues Absolutely true, Mark. He tries to belittle his "enemies" so that He looks good. Problem is, it is working in reverse and he is only belittling himself. indeed |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I agree.
rb wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:19:25 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Um.... you know, just saying "I agree" would have been a lot simpler and saved you 2 pages of typing.... LOL. rb len likes to carry on as is his right http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Possibly, because try as I might, I can't really remember much about that day.... I had pyloric stenosis, if that counts? So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Now that's true... I'd require a CW setup of some kind in order to send my name; or anything else for that matter. Or as previously pointed out, hack up a headphone jack and tippy tap the wires together. Either way, I don't see my life depending on it at any time, so I'll just let my CW skills continue to rust. However; your argument does make me wonder how non-hams even have a chance at life in this world... ?? Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. BTW, I noticed you conveniently left out the specific year in which said burning boat was offshore with an obsolete CW outfit, and how your CW expertise put out a fire.... but I'm guessing we're talking many a year ago, so again, a moot point. Actually, The boat thing in general is really killing me... If these numb-nuts are offshore and not on the correct USCG freqs and/or unaware of how to properly tune their radios in an emergency, then it isn't CW saving lives, it's the grace of God that somebody happened to be on their freq at that time. But again, what boats are out there with a CW rig???? That's crazy, bubba. :-) rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in
: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:10:08 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Well there ya have it folks.... 50wpm saves lives. So how does it work? Turn up the speaker really loud and place it [face down] on the person's chest, while an op in South America tapped out universally accepted words that would mimic an atrioventricular rhythm? Did someone drop you on your head at birth? wy wouldyou ask that did someone drop you on yours? No, but when I'm confronted with TOTAL stupidity, it's a possible explanotion for it. The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. a date when was the last Ham Morse saved a life at any speed car and drive down to the local EMS agency, and bring them to you. Life saved! I'm impressed. rb So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. I can send anything I like the proof of that is before you I have a pc Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. good for you I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). ok you have a date for that I'll accept it as a life saved by CW if you do http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ Not an exact date, though it's probably in the archives of the Canadian Coast Guard, my employer at the time. Hey, I worked at Halifax Coast Guard radio from 1977 until 1995, 18 years at the one station. We handled a number of SOS calls on CW and were able to save lives some of the time (not always. alas). But with trained operators on both ends of the signal path, CW was pretty much always an easier go than SSB. And SITOR was pretty much a joke. Half the ships couldn't get it going. INMARSAT is what put CW out of business in the marine industry. And a nasty solar flare or two could put INMARSAT out of business. You pays your money and you takes your chances. I'm not sure that a ship equipped with a complex satellite radio with a lot of moving parts and a technician is all that much better off than a ship was when they were equipped with an MF-HF CW and SSB radio station and a radio operator who was also a trained technician. All is well until something breaks and the nearest part is 500 miles away over water. CW was still in use for a some ship-to-shore work when I retired in 1995. When I went to the high arctic in 1964 it was our main means of communication with the south. We eventually converted that to RTTY and SSB, but neither was really as effective as the CW that preceded. Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:1o2Hg.19713$Te.3938@trnddc07:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Possibly, because try as I might, I can't really remember much about that day.... I had pyloric stenosis, if that counts? So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Now that's true... I'd require a CW setup of some kind in order to send my name; or anything else for that matter. Or as previously pointed out, hack up a headphone jack and tippy tap the wires together. Either way, I don't see my life depending on it at any time, so I'll just let my CW skills continue to rust. However; your argument does make me wonder how non-hams even have a chance at life in this world... ?? Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. My point is, my bad Spanish might not have recognized the word "fuego" if it was spoken fast among a lot of other words. But on CW it came across loud and clear. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Except you'll be a lot slower because you'll need phonetic spellings for everything. Believe me, I know. I've done this. For a living for many years. BTW, I noticed you conveniently left out the specific year in which said burning boat was offshore with an obsolete CW outfit, and how your CW expertise put out a fire.... but I'm guessing we're talking many a year ago, so again, a moot point. Not that long ago, really. Early 1990's if I remember. Actually, The boat thing in general is really killing me... If these numb-nuts are offshore and not on the correct USCG freqs and/or unaware of how to properly tune their radios in an emergency, then it isn't CW saving lives, it's the grace of God that somebody happened to be on their freq at that time. But again, what boats are out there with a CW rig???? That's crazy, bubba. :-) rb This was on 500khz (and 484). CW was the mode of operation on those frequencies until well into the 90's. Cheap SSB radios were plentiful. So were some SITOR lashups. But what finally killed it was INMARSAT. So now, instead of getting nailed by solar flares on HF, you get nailed by them on INMARSAT and have to wait 6 to 9 months for a new launch. Meanwhile you're limping along on SSB using a phonetic alphabet to send traffic at a SLOWER rate. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 59... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . .. [snip] Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31. Dee, N8UZE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 59... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. I do that firaly well as long as it is a a langauge fro gruop I know I can take down serbian in crylllic even though I don't what they are saying it is simply a skill For that matter I hear and resend Morse as long as I don't try to decipher it As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. YOU can and you then claim that you have that skill it is valid your values in the ARS refuse to accept that notion different strokes for different folks If instead of CW testng we had a choice a various tests to take that would stand muster the current value Morse well outside of it value withut even realy testing its abilty to do a QSO were the test based sending and receiveing where the receiveing could send bak pse senf all after ... and before what then take a test to show that he was able to comincate the test would have more vailiity but it doesn't the CW tests do noy even show that the testee can use CW over the air |
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