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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. In another recent post, Robesin keeps referring to a "CV." That's an acronym for the Latin 'curriculum vitae,' a list of life experiences (education, work experience). Maybe he meant "constant velocity" as in "CV joints" because he's always "spun up" about one thing or another. He tries to "spin" his claims to be the truth. Still no evidence presented. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. Spanish words are easy to write even if one doesn't understand them. In general, unlike English, there is usually only one possible way to pronounce and to spell a Spanish word. You hear "a-di-os". You write a-d-i-o-s. You don't need to know what it means. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 02:32:01 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. Spanish words are easy to write even if one doesn't understand them. Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. In general, unlike English, there is usually only one possible way to pronounce and to spell a Spanish word. You hear "a-di-os". You write a-d-i-o-s. You don't need to know what it means. When it's spoken very quickly and in a panic, it's more like "adhyose". Understandable, if weird looking, to a Spaniard. Try some other languages, though - those you've never heard spoken before. See how well you do. Then see how well you do in CW ... oh, you already know that, don't you? -.-. is the same, whether it's hard, soft or unpronounced. Whether you put a cedilla on it or not, a Spaniard will understand it. So will a Turk, even though it sounds more like - -.-. But would you write "Con" for something that sounds like Tchonn? |
If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
an old fraud wrote: I use him for punching bag hopeing he might give it up Markie, you are everybody's punching bag. did you catch the bit where he claims that he is acting as MY firend I am gald I was not drinking something , i might have choked to death We can only hope you would choke to death...... in a few day weeks or months I will quit this feild signing off here as KB9RQZ/AE That will never happen, you are too stupid to pass the theory tests. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm which is the whole point. If one speaks faster, I may not be able to copy it. If one sends CW to me faster than 13 wpm, for sure I cannot copy it even in English. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm which is the whole point. If one speaks faster, I may not be able to copy it. If one sends CW to me faster than 13 wpm, for sure I cannot copy it even in English. interesting how Al Keeps changing the condictions franticaly trying to make a point -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:52:28 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Ever try taking dictation at 100wpm spoken speed in a foreign language? I have. Even in one I understand, it's difficult. In one I don't understand it's impossible. Maybe you're better than I am. I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm
wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. |
If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 8:10 pm
wrote: wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. The ARRL is trying to soften their image - the latest QST shows a person using a, gulp, microphone on the FRONT cover! Good grief! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! It may be for some. I pity the Al-Code-Ah and their absurd zealousness of the old. Just inside is yet another article on building a code key - from a door hinge. Oh, goody...HIGH TECH construction article. They didn't mention wether you should use oil or conductive grease on the hinge. They should use "RF Grease" - same stuff to lower VSWR on feedlines... Would they follow that with another article on the door itself? Like, I mean, making the door a jar? :-) Wow! We almost leaped from a door hinge to a jar head. Oh, my! :-) Now comes the "outrage" from a wanna-be jar head. I was thinking more of the image of Jar-Jar Binks having come to earth in Newington and invading the editors offices of QST. [see the 4th "Star Wars" film to find out who Jar-Jar Binks is and morsemen should quit viewing "Independence Day" for the umpteenth time... :-) ] This just in from The ARRL Letter, Vol. 25, No. 33, August 18, 2006 "ARRL First Vice President Kay Craigie, N3KN, represented the League at the Global Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Conference 2006." "Craigie stressed that Amateur Radio needs to avoid "being dazzled by our own press clippings into thinking that we are the big dog in emergency telecommunications."" She refers to robesin-like attitudes within the ARS. Oh. My. God. ! ! ! Tsk, just because NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, ESPN, and PBS haven't covered the tremendously fantastic wonderfullest huge contribution to saving lives and property via ham radio? Gosh, there are all sorts of clippings from obscure weekly and biweekly newspapers dutifully cut-and-pasted into messages here from Robesin & Co. And probably at least as credible as the rest of the news they carry. Weeklies and bi-weeklies serve their communities okay. It's when their reporters get overly ambitious and start copying copy from other sources when they get into trouble. Maybe I'll have to write the Department of Defense and say that "Major" Robesin said that radio amateurs run MARS! He did. We KNOW Major Dud said that in here over and over and over and over and over and over again, but did he really write DoD? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right and all the other radio services are switching to morse code for all emergency communications a la ham radio The American Public would sue them for slow service and wrongful deaths. Well, the reporting of those civil court cases would be NEW COPY for the papers! Wanna bet that the ARRL would try to spin that off as "good for the ARS?" :-) ...the sky has truly fallen! The other shoe would drop. The end is near... doo-dah, doo-dah... |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. Since I can copy CW at 13 wpm, that seems to be a reasonable comparison. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Well, doggone it, Lennie. Next thing ya know he'll be posting over the callsign of another Amateur. Nope...ya just cain't believe guys like that, can you Len? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? if you get a message in turkish in most of the USA you still have a useless message since where are yo going to find some that read the lang |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I knew a SSgt that was also a Major. When he had on his Major Uniform, he strutted around escorting the JrCAPs to the chow hall to show them how it's really done. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. But he's very visible, with or without that new suit of clothes. Either way, it's bad for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Like kepone at the bottom of the James. Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. So what's the hold up? Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. He never thought that a mere Army or Air Force NCO would know anything about MARS. Very, very unfortunate for him. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Yes. Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? Was that you or Frank that nailed that one? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) There is supposed to be a form of self-afflicted asphyxia but to talk of it wouldn't be polite. Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. Seven hostile actions, I'm told. I can't imagine being short-sheeted 7 times by members of my flight. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Yep. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. So what's the hold up? most likely the fact that some at the FCC wouldlike to plase the ARRL as long as it costs them nothing ut the cpsts are starting to build since NVEC realy needs to know soon what the general license involves so they can write the new pool |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
RLW wrote: wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Well, doggone it, Lennie. Next thing ya know he'll be posting over the callsign of another Amateur. Nope...ya just cain't believe guys like that, can you Len? I don't believe his bs. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
rom: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm
wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-) Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. I don't believe his bs. Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully, that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here now. I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT naming a single military radio that was operational during his alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is classified!" :-) Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military radios operational between the times of those two are easily recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences between families but the same case and general form). The operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick- look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list. Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link lists for other sites that have them. Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear. MARS doesn't normally use such. :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:12:14 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. David's choice was Spanish. My choice was a language one couldn't understand. Pay attention. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. About your lack of content, yes. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
David's choice was Spanish. My choice was a language one couldn't understand. Pay attention. Sorry Al, here's what you said: Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. Your words, not David's. You implied *Spanish* couldn't be copied with a mic by a non-Spanish speaking person. I showed that it can be done. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:12:14 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. David's choice was Spanish. My choice was a language one couldn't understand. Pay attention. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. About your lack of content, yes. nope your efforts to keep chaning to rules it is tranperant as see though as your cowardly nature |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dee Flint" wrote in
: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . .. [snip] Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31. True, I've never had much success during 2 metere aurora openings with anything BUT CW. It ain't CW by the time it gets to the other end, but it's still readable there. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote in
: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message . 159... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:22:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge
wrote: Al Klein wrote in : Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the coercive force of the federal government to enforce your preferences instead of mine? Of course you are! -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:54:31 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the coercive force of the federal government to enforce your preferences instead of mine? Of course you are! Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer. plonk |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:54:31 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the coercive force of the federal government to enforce your preferences instead of mine? Of course you are! Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer. well are you still tlaking to anybody here AL your problem is that we all see your number way to well for your comfort |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer. My MENSA membership number is 1006281. What's yours? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer. My MENSA membership number is 1006281. What's yours? now ccil must not be boastfull he was just expresing his own stupidity -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: from: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-) I attended 3 weeks of CWPC training at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. It hosts CAP HQ. Didn't see any CAP uniforms there, either. Odd, though. The new owner of robesin's old vanity callsign, K4CAP, resides in Montgomery, Alabama. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. I don't believe his bs. Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully, that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here now. Some of the whacko Anon's have championed robesin's cause, whatever it might be. I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT naming a single military radio that was operational during his alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is classified!" :-) Scuse me while I blow the pepsi out of my nose. Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military radios operational between the times of those two are easily recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences between families but the same case and general form). The operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick- look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list. Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link lists for other sites that have them. Too much work for robesin. So he just "classified" everything. He was definitely confused by Major Vincent and his key on a necklace. Hah! Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear. MARS doesn't normally use such. :-) If he was involved in MARS, it was probably just to eavesdrop on morale calls from a lonely GI to his wife or girlfriend back home. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote in
: On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:54:31 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the coercive force of the federal government to enforce your preferences instead of mine? Of course you are! Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer. plonk ROFL |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Cecil Moore wrote in news:XzIHg.720$Cq4.117
@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net: Al Klein wrote: You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the coercive force of the federal government to enforce your preferences instead of mine? Of course you are! Not me. MY federal government dropped the code requirement a while back--and with my blessing. The sky didn't fall (at least not any further than it already had). But having used CW professionally for years, I know both its strengths and its weaknesses. Its main weakness is that not everyone can do it. PSK31 and PACTOR get a bit of an edge on it when there is no large ionospheric phase distortion happening, but require significantly more equipment. Back in 1976 when I was doing weather observing for a living on Sable Island, we were required to send the results of two balloon soundings and hourly surface observations to Halifax by RTTY. At night that 2mhz RTTY circuit often became impossible. Nor was the AM circuit any good. I frequently got out a key and sent it on CW. It was actually funny when one of the department's high mucky-muck techs came out to the island to fix the problem. I pointed out that verticals were great on 2mhz for a 192 mile path in the daytime but that they got bogged down in DX signals and QRN at night and suggested that he could improve things by giving us dipoles at both ends for night use. I also suggested that a properly designed VHF link would be superior. He laughed at me. Funny thing is, that man's son went out to Sable afterwards and installed a beacon that I could ALWAYS hear in Halifax, running 8 watts on 144mhz. The thing is, you don't always know what is saving a life. Those weather observations may have made no difference to anything or they may have made a huge difference to how someone flew a 747. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 VA7CZ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Cecil Moore wrote in news:KPJHg.39$6R7.22
@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com: Al Klein wrote: Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer. My MENSA membership number is 1006281. What's yours? I don't bother with low-IQ clubs myself. Or high-IQ ones for that matter. I did do some work on the question of human intelligence back in the 60's. It was interesting. We used factor analysis (now called PCA) and came to the conclusion that it is a six-dimensional vector quantity--to the extent you can measure it at all. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: David's choice was Spanish. My choice was a language one couldn't understand. Pay attention. Sorry Al, here's what you said: Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. Your words, not David's. You implied *Spanish* couldn't be copied with a mic by a non-Spanish speaking person. I showed that it can be done. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp I'll bet copying a message by voice from someone with the cyrillic alphabet would end up a lot better results than copying the same message with cw. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
My MENSA membership number is 1006281. What's yours? What's your Social Security number? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Klein wrote: As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. But in what language? ;) |
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