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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:thrIg.2006$XD1.1601@trnddc01:
Good call. Admit nothing, deny everything. Hey, if you had to use CW to make chicken salad for a starving Latvian, would that person starve to death? If you had to use either of your brain cells to think of some way to FEED a starving Latvian would that person starve to death? -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:cfrIg.2016$pX3.1819@trnddc07:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: where did you encounter total stupidity? I missed it I saw someone Uhhhh...... Start with the OP and read to this point or beyond.... Gee, which of your brain cells thought that one up? -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:2_qIg.2009$pX3.1822@trnddc07:
Eh? Now you say its ok to be slow? Make up your mind will ya? People are dying while you decide! rb This gem must've come from the other brain cell. Is that the one that took the brunt when you were dropped? "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:22:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: Al Klein wrote in : Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:FYqIg.36416$NF3.28742@trnddc05:
And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you should stay off the bands. 20 is SLOW. But the only way to learn 35 or 40 is to learn 10, 15, 20 etc. And the best way to do that is get on the bands and DO it instead of making rude noises at the people who CAN. Phonetics on SSB are usually a lot slower than 20wpm, though. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"an old freind" wrote in
ps.com: Al Klein wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 59... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. I do that firaly well as long as it is a a langauge fro gruop I know I can take down serbian in crylllic even though I don't what they are saying it is simply a skill For that matter I hear and resend Morse as long as I don't try to decipher it As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. YOU can and you then claim that you have that skill it is valid your values in the ARS refuse to accept that notion different strokes for different folks If instead of CW testng we had a choice a various tests to take that would stand muster the current value Morse well outside of it value withut even realy testing its abilty to do a QSO were the test based sending and receiveing where the receiveing could send bak pse senf all after ... and before what then take a test to show that he was able to comincate the test would have more vailiity but it doesn't the CW tests do noy even show that the testee can use CW over the air We have three tests her in Canada now. The Basic gets you on the air. If you get an 80% or higher score you get HF privileges with that. You're limited in power and must use commercially built, approved gear. If you want to roll your own gear or put up a repeater or something, then write the Advanced. You'll get full HF privileges. If you want to be known as morse proficient, then take the code test. That will get you on HF even if you just PASSED your Basic. But if you already have the Advanced, then it will get you a nic shiny morse endorsement and a sense of accomplishment. And no, the sky didn't fall any further than it already did when we dropped the code requirement for Basic and made it VHF only. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in
news:U5qIg.36408$NF3.27574@trnddc05: Well... no, I got the point just fine. I can't imagine being surrounded by Spanish-speaking people needing a code interp, or being on a CW freq anyway, while some emergency happens to be taking place. Well, it certainly happened to me. Of course I can't say whether it actually SAVED any lives. Because maybe they would have been saved anyway, though it sure helped that I could figure out what was wrong. But you see, a lot of ships used CW at that time. And yeah, I'm elite like that... I have a gift for gab... just like a monkey can be trained to tap out a code of communication, I can parrot what I hear. It [or 50wpm CW] isn't intelligence in any way, it's just a stupid circus trick. Once again..... this wasn't or isn't the issue 50wpm is relatively easy. Now back in 1975 when I was out on Sable Island, I broke in on some guys on 80m with my nice new computer, programmed to send morse from the terminal keyboard (but still requiring a human ear to hear). They were going 65 and wanted to know if I could "copy the morse code." One kid there used to QSO me and he'd start out at 60 and ramp up. He was 13. anyway... No one said there were no pros to the mode, just that the whole "save a life" thing is laughable. This argument jumps from an issue of speed, then to the generation gap, then to simple name-calling banter. It's quite humorous and totally stupid. Kudos to the OP troll! LOL rb Well, to be honest, I leave my keyer set at 25wpm. That's a good steady speed for general working. I'm only likely to speed it up if I'm in a contest or something. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you..... the "Whole Point" in the Apples and
Oranges War: "Dave Oldridge" But you see, a lot of ships used CW at that time. So, what say we just forget this whole thing a swap some radios? rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you..... the "Whole Point" in the Apples and Oranges War: "Dave Oldridge" But you see, a lot of ships used CW at that time. So, what say we just forget this whole thing a swap some radios? rb I'kk be glad to as soonas the R&O comes out |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Ah, my bad... sry.
rb Radio content: There used to be a radio swap group here.... wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:43 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Yeah, yoo big chikin. LOL I dare you to pick up a mic and do a radio test on 3.865 by saying "Beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeep"! rb well as a etech I realy should not try that one "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Listen here... I will not stand by and watch millions of innocent people die
needlessly as more an more people shun the gift of life by scoffing at CW. It's genocide I tell you, and the government just sits by and watches it happen!! rb radio content: Now we're really ridin' a continuous wave..... too bad we're in the sewer.... "Not Lloyd" anon@anon wrote in message ... "Woody" wrote in message news:FYqIg.36416$NF3.28742@trnddc05... And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you should stay off the bands. rb Aw, fer Chrissake Woody, kwit yer cryin' and whinin'. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Sorry... my bad... is it 35 now? I stand corrected.
Back to the chant... If you can't do 35wpm, you should stay off the bands!! Seriously people, think about it... do *you* want blood on your hands because you're a slow-beepin loser? Lives are on the line, in case you aren't paying attention. This is serious business and requires a dedication as if it were... your only purpose. Unmotivated 25wpm losers need not apply. rb "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:FYqIg.36416$NF3.28742@trnddc05: And as previously stated, slow equals death. If you can't do 20wpm you should stay off the bands. 20 is SLOW. But the only way to learn 35 or 40 is to learn 10, 15, 20 etc. And the best way to do that is get on the bands and DO it instead of making rude noises at the people who CAN. Phonetics on SSB are usually a lot slower than 20wpm, though. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Hey... you have proof I was dropped?? I've wondered for years as I just
can't remember the day I was born at all. It kinda annoys me, but hey, I can't remember CW either, so I figure no loss either way. rb Not to stray off-topic or break any rules, but you wouldn't happen to have a 50w VHF Spectra you'd want to sell or trade, would ya? "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:2_qIg.2009$pX3.1822@trnddc07: Eh? Now you say its ok to be slow? Make up your mind will ya? People are dying while you decide! rb This gem must've come from the other brain cell. Is that the one that took the brunt when you were dropped? "Al Klein" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:22:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: Al Klein wrote in m: Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. I can do it (and have done so) using phonetics. But that's SLOWER than CW. You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08: So did your guy die or not? Which one? You win some, you lose some. Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread at all? CW = Gift of Life. Fast CW = Hand of God. It's in the Extra Class manual.... And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal as far as signal-to-noise goes. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!! Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire Comm-Post pile we're making, and then people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the thought!] rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
The one that's looking for a VHF 50w Spectra..... hehe...
And I have to ask Dave, [and I mean seriously this time]... You really aren't defending this thread [in this group] as an intelligent discussion [or one that should even be here] in the first place, are you? rb Radio Content: For the acetylcholine-deficient that think I'm really trying to be a part of this seemingly perpetual, and twisted delusion... It's a friggin swap group.... Now sit and ponder that for just a minute.... "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:cfrIg.2016$pX3.1819@trnddc07: wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: where did you encounter total stupidity? I missed it I saw someone Uhhhh...... Start with the OP and read to this point or beyond.... Gee, which of your brain cells thought that one up? -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
LOL.. Now that's what I'm looking for! What else ya got? Let's post each
reply twice from now on, OK? In other news.... Stay on topic Dave.... the issue is *CW* saves lives,[or results in other holistic happenings] ok? I swear I've already explained that to ya...? We've proven many posts ago that brain cells have nothing to do with ham radio, this thread or those in it. My fav site, www.hamsexy.com will explain it all. rb radio content: I think I'd even consider an M1225 in trade, instead of the Spectra. "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:thrIg.2006$XD1.1601@trnddc01: Good call. Admit nothing, deny everything. Hey, if you had to use CW to make chicken salad for a starving Latvian, would that person starve to death? If you had to use either of your brain cells to think of some way to FEED a starving Latvian would that person starve to death? -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Bless you brother, I will indeed make it so.
Thanks for the reply! rb Radio content: M1225 needs to be VHF and 40w, or I can't use it.... wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:17:21 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb count that amoug so blessings http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Yeah, that was the problem exactly...
so I can stand on the ocean floor and see people inside the boat? Kewl. rb radio content: So what kinda radio did the boat have? I'd like to find me a nice Micom for cheap... wrote in message ups.com... Woody wrote: I saw a C-130 fly almost directly over my house last year. Couldn't see who was in it though... rb The aluminum skin of a C130 is sort of hard to see through. The only craft that I ever saw with a glass underbelly was a tour boat in Florida. But you can rest assured that neither robesin nor the CAP was flying that C130. |
If you heard Mark calling Mayday, would you switch to a different repeater?
Or have a party. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. Uh, hello.... Looks like perfect qualifications for a management position. I like the way you think. I usually try to avoid thought... it makes my head hurt... Can't it be factory refurbished? Funny thing... the stupid NASA Engineers tried to control the thing with data bursts.... Yes, data bursts! Can you believe those anti-CW nazis? We'd already be on Pluto if they'd controlled it with CW. So, sadly, no.... due to advanced technology, she's been lost.... I thought they were just to cover the beaches so the Army doesn't get sand in their boots.... Welp, when the AF took the airplanes away from the Army in 1947... Was it that late? I would've guess more around the late/end of the war... Well anyway, I was just trying to stir up some jarheads with the beaches/Army thing... You wanna swap radios or anything? rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: Yeah, that was the problem exactly... so I can stand on the ocean floor and see people inside the boat? Kewl. rb radio content: So what kinda radio did the boat have? I'd like to find me a nice Micom for cheap... Only robesin can tell us what kind of radio his craft carried, but even he doesn't know. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. Uh, hello.... Looks like perfect qualifications for a management position. I like the way you think. I usually try to avoid thought... it makes my head hurt... You would have been right at home in the Morse Forever camp about 10 years ago. Can't it be factory refurbished? Funny thing... the stupid NASA Engineers tried to control the thing with data bursts.... Yes, data bursts! Can you believe those anti-CW nazis? We'd already be on Pluto if they'd controlled it with CW. So, sadly, no.... due to advanced technology, she's been lost.... Manual telegraphy? C'mon... I thought they were just to cover the beaches so the Army doesn't get sand in their boots.... Welp, when the AF took the airplanes away from the Army in 1947... Was it that late? I would've guess more around the late/end of the war... I wasn't there, but that's how the story went. Well anyway, I was just trying to stir up some jarheads with the beaches/Army thing... I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia. You wanna swap radios or anything? rb Probably not, but there is another group, rec.radio.amateur.equipment, which is a lot like a hamfest. Except the food is better. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Bummer...
rb Radio Content: Well... there is none... I guess I give up. wrote in message oups.com... Woody wrote: Yeah, that was the problem exactly... so I can stand on the ocean floor and see people inside the boat? Kewl. rb radio content: So what kinda radio did the boat have? I'd like to find me a nice Micom for cheap... Only robesin can tell us what kind of radio his craft carried, but even he doesn't know. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message ups.com... Woody wrote: Manual telegraphy? C'mon... You do realize I'm a disgruntled radio swap group, off-topic, post bombing loser, right? I'm just thinking this would be a great place for a radio swap group, that's all. Everything I say is usually in sarcasm.....just to add stupidity to the stupidty.... I've given up though and I'm going back to ebay... I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia. Big Ol' Kudos to you bro. Somalians suck. I think there are indeed places that qualify as Fourth-world countries. Somalia, Nigeria, etc... LOL.. rb |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Good on ya then! Do upgrade whenever you can, coz hammin' can be fun if you
can find a decent bunch to hang with. Learning 5wpm is pretty easy and gives you a new "toy" or "language" to play with if you are so inclined. The big plus being the new privileges and theory, and all the hi-tech progression in radio going on in the 21st Century! There's lots to get into. Gud luck, rb wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:38:54 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Ah, my bad... sry. rb np I expect the FCC to help me correct that soon enough Radio content: There used to be a radio swap group here.... indeed and all kinds of radio gruops wrote in message . .. On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:43 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Yeah, yoo big chikin. LOL I dare you to pick up a mic and do a radio test on 3.865 by saying "Beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeep"! rb well as a etech I realy should not try that one "an old friend" wrote in message groups.com... http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Woody wrote: Manual telegraphy? C'mon... You do realize I'm a disgruntled radio swap group, off-topic, post bombing loser, right? I'm just thinking this would be a great place for a radio swap group, that's all. Everything I say is usually in sarcasm.....just to add stupidity to the stupidty.... I've given up though and I'm going back to ebay... Alright. List your stuff. Maybe someone is interested. I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia. Big Ol' Kudos to you bro. Somalians suck. I think there are indeed places that qualify as Fourth-world countries. Somalia, Nigeria, etc... LOL.. rb It sucked. Just got a message on the somalia reflector today. Seems the al qaida is well liked in somalia because the country has been through 15 years of chaos and lawlessness, and the islamists are now imposing their law. I guess any law is better than none. Reminds me, in part, how hitler came to power. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page Big blue jumpsuits... never seen anything else... Robesin's flight suit is sage green. Looks like a real one. , and a male nurses uniform. Wanna explain what a male nurses uniform is?? He said it wasn't a dress. Culots, maybe? Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? Wow, that sounds rather condescending.... How else would you describe the best job in the world? Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. Yeah, those "real" radio ops really have it tough, don't they? There should be a reality show called "Two-Way Trauma: Life in the radio room." rb Hah!!! I'm sure he could make up stories. I'm real sure of it. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:gDKIg.7926$Xl5.5330@trnddc06:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08: So did your guy die or not? Which one? You win some, you lose some. Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread at all? CW = Gift of Life. Fast CW = Hand of God. Where did anyone actually say that in this thread? It's in the Extra Class manual.... And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal as far as signal-to-noise goes. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!! Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire Comm-Post pile we're making, and then people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the thought!] rb Well, at the moment my radio is on 3729 LSB. But it will shortly be on 3652 CW. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:2QKIg.7929$Xl5.2566@trnddc06:
The one that's looking for a VHF 50w Spectra..... hehe... And I have to ask Dave, [and I mean seriously this time]... You really aren't defending this thread [in this group] as an intelligent discussion [or one that should even be here] in the first place, are you? Nope. It's not about antennas, so that makes it off topic in the group I'm posting in. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Excellent point!
? rb "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:gDKIg.7926$Xl5.5330@trnddc06: "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08: So did your guy die or not? Which one? You win some, you lose some. Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread at all? CW = Gift of Life. Fast CW = Hand of God. Where did anyone actually say that in this thread? It's in the Extra Class manual.... And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal as far as signal-to-noise goes. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!! Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire Comm-Post pile we're making, and then people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the thought!] rb Well, at the moment my radio is on 3729 LSB. But it will shortly be on 3652 CW. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
If you'll check the address bar when you reply, you might notice that you're
posting in a swap group, scanner group, policy group, and antenna group.... IOW, you're just as guilty as the rest of us. :-) rb "Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:2QKIg.7929$Xl5.2566@trnddc06: The one that's looking for a VHF 50w Spectra..... hehe... And I have to ask Dave, [and I mean seriously this time]... You really aren't defending this thread [in this group] as an intelligent discussion [or one that should even be here] in the first place, are you? Nope. It's not about antennas, so that makes it off topic in the group I'm posting in. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Who's gonna see a single want ad in 300 postings about nothing?
Who wants to pilfer 300 postings about nothing to find a sale ad? On the Somalia thing, Do you mean extremists/terrorists that claim to follow Islam, or just basic Islamists? It looks like you mean the former. Please understand that Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists/extremists, it doesn't matter what religion they claim to follow. rb wrote in message ups.com... Woody wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Woody wrote: Manual telegraphy? C'mon... You do realize I'm a disgruntled radio swap group, off-topic, post bombing loser, right? I'm just thinking this would be a great place for a radio swap group, that's all. Everything I say is usually in sarcasm.....just to add stupidity to the stupidty.... I've given up though and I'm going back to ebay... Alright. List your stuff. Maybe someone is interested. I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia. Big Ol' Kudos to you bro. Somalians suck. I think there are indeed places that qualify as Fourth-world countries. Somalia, Nigeria, etc... LOL.. rb It sucked. Just got a message on the somalia reflector today. Seems the al qaida is well liked in somalia because the country has been through 15 years of chaos and lawlessness, and the islamists are now imposing their law. I guess any law is better than none. Reminds me, in part, how hitler came to power. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote:
Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go through Google archives since before they bought it from DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of postings in the same venal manner he continues to use... especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which he has never, ever proved through any third-party references, digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ. He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers without the aid of Stan Lee. :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote:
So you guys got sidetracked and missed the CW call so both your guys died. You are the weakest link. Goodbye. rb wrote in message oups.com... rom: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm "Sidetracked?!?" :-) I put this message into the Captain ARRL Superpower Decryption machine and the machine broke down. Last I looked (which was yesterday) there were NO Public Safety radio services which used "CW" for either "life-saving" or distress calls. The USCG doesn't monitor the OLD 500 KHz international maritime distress and safety frequency any more. International Civil Aviation Organization long ago stopped any need for carrying "CW"-proficient air crew on over-ocean flights. This "vital need" of maintaining a "pool of trained (morsemen) operators" in the mighty amateur radio (militia?) ranks is a wigment of olde-tyme morsemen's imagination. In truth, I haven't checked out the Civil Air Patrol. Maybe they have some kind of "need" for morsemen even though they use 121.5 MHz for emergencies just like all the CIVIL airways do. [transponder squawk to 77 or 7700 if that is installed; 243 MHz if a REAL military aircraft] We'll have to see what the "pilot in command" of a TN CAP two-seater has to say on that...if he isn't "busy" with his "life-saving air patrols." :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
George Orwell wrote:
Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. Balance of original post has been REDACTED. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Dave wrote:
George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. the use is hazing why not just coem out and say that Balance of original post has been REDACTED. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Dave wrote:
George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. In other words, you just can't come up with a valid reason other than some emotional-traditional one, can you? What is the return on that "investment?" Being good enough to do 1930s radio operating? In a diversified HOBBY? What you really seem to be saying is that "everyone has to do it because you did it...so there, nyah, nyah..." :-) Balance of original post has been REDACTED. You have been redacted. You have been rejected. You have been inducted. Here's a news flash: The job of the FCC (the agency that grants amateur radio licenses...and hundreds of others...) is to regulate and mitigate all USA civil radio. It does not tailor ham tests to some nebulous "tradition" of the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS). I.E., it has no reason to demand anyone take a manual morse code test except under the lobbying by the ARRL. If you want to "preserve" the ARS as requiring morsemanship for all privileges below 30 MHz, then you need to make up a Petition and submit it to the FCC. You can even ask them to RENAME the ARS to Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. The FCC allows such petitioning. They even explain how to do it on their website. Tell the FCC that you insist on maintaining 1930s standards of radio communication well beyond 2030 by keeping that morse code test forever and ever. The ARRL will love you for it. Go for it! |
If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
I'll say it again ... INVESTMENT!!
If an activity is to have value it must have INVESTMENT. Whether it be Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Little League coach, Soccer MOM, fishing, poker playing, or just watching tv. All require INVESTMENT if it is to have value. If you don't/can't make the INVESTMENT, find something else to become involved with. It has nothing to do with hazing. - - - an old friend wrote: Dave wrote: George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. the use is hazing why not just coem out and say that Balance of original post has been REDACTED. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"George Orwell" wrote in message ... Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? I can't really see in today's era, the need for them? I've been surfing around looking at ham and talking to an old friend that had a license and it look interesting to me. But, given that many professional people like myself are stretched for time, what good does all the licensing and code requirements do for you besides build up boundries to doing something new and fun? If you will read Part 97 (the rules that govern amateur radio), the government doesn't care about you doing something new and fun. The section on basis and purpose makes it quite clear that their objectives are quite different. They want people knowledgeable in ham radio and who are interested in expanding that knowledge. I'm in a pretty technical field, and I study to keep up in that field everyday, the last thing I want to do, is have to spend my weekends studying to talk on a radio. If less stringent requirements were there, I could easily afford the tools of the trade, and would like to just jump in and start working with a ham setup. I'm particularly interested in exploring the amateur radio/computer connections. I have no problem informally looking up information and learning on my own (heck, that's what I'm doing in the USENET group to begin with)...but, I just don't have the time for archaic rules, regulations and codes that as far as I can see...really serve no real purpose but, to keep out busy people that might like to participate. Until and unless you have actually participated in amateur radio in a wide variety of aspects, it is difficult to asses which rules, regulations, knowledge, etc are archaic and which should remain as requirements. Notice that the majority of people advocating ditching requirements are those who have not yet passed those requirements, regardless of their age. Note that the majority of people advocating keeping the requirements have passed them and have experience in amateur radio again regardless of their age. As far as "busy people" go, again refer to the basis and purpose as given in the rules. The government is not concerned about your choice of how you use your time. It has no bearing on what their goals are. Can you give me valid reasons as to what useful purpose in today's age they serve? Every piece of knowledge has its uses. The difficult part is winnowing through it and decide what should be tested and what should not. Here's why I think code should still be tested: 1. It is still one of the basic building blocks of ham radio. For example, one of the "hot" digital modes is PSK31. The developer drew upon personal experience and incorporated features derived from that mode to make a robust digital mode. 2. Because it is not "book learning", too many people will avoid it since it is different than the type of learning they are accustomed to. They will falsely think it is hard when in reality it is different. Requiring them to learn it gets them over that resistance hump. 3. Each and every mode has its strong points and weak points. Each of us that participate in ham radio should attempt to gain personal experience in those modes so that we know by that personal experience what those strengths and weaknesses are. If you are interested, I could construct various scenarios where mode X is the best mode. However, unless you specifically want to know, I won't clutter up the newsgroup at this time with discussions that have been repeated many times by many people already. Dee, N8UZE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
LenAnderson, You have obviously made an INVESTMENT in your technical profession.
Make one in your participation in the radio service!! Amateur Radio is a SERVICE!!! If you only think of it as a hobby your thinking is flawed. /s/ Dave, BSEE, Program Chief Engineer-retired, LGM-118A(RS), MK21/W87 http://www.strategic-air-command.com/missiles/Peacekeeper/Peacekeeper_Missile_Home_Page.htm - - - |
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