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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Woody wrote: Who's gonna see a single want ad in 300 postings about nothing? Seinfeld ran for eight years and it was all about nothing. People cried at the end. Who wants to pilfer 300 postings about nothing to find a sale ad? On the Somalia thing, Do you mean extremists/terrorists that claim to follow Islam, or just basic Islamists? Here's one: ""Somali Islamist gunmen undergo military training http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx...ticleid=281612 {EXCERPT} Mail & Guardian Online, South Africa Somalia's dominant Islamic movement on Tuesday launched intensive military training for hundreds of its gunmen under a plan to create instruments of statehood......"" It looks like you mean the former. Please understand that Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists/extremists, it doesn't matter what religion they claim to follow. rb Here's another: ""SOMALIA, THE BLACK HOLE OF ANARCHY BY AHMED Q. BURSALIID In mid July 2005 The U.S. intelligence agents, working with local warlords, have carried out counter terrorist operations to seize sus*pects. "Somalia remains the theatre for a shadowy confrontation involving local Ji*hadis, foreign Al Qaeda operatives and in*telligence services from a number of re*gional and Western countries," says a report by the International Crisis Group in 2005. The report says the "dirty war be*tween terrorists and counter-terrorist oper*atives in Mogadishu appears to have en*tered a new and more vicious stage that threatens to push the country further towards Jihadism and extremist violence un*less its root causes are properly addressed." The Somali transitional federal government was formed in neighbouring Kenya in 2004 and moved into Somalia June 2005. However, the administration has failed to relocate to Mogadishu, the Somali capital, because the city was considered unsafe. Due to the insecurity of Mogadishu, the TFG relocated to Jawhar, which it later decided to move to Baidoa. Warlords and leaders of Islamic courts have been fighting in Mogadishu for about five months. This led to the loss of hundreds of civilians and destruction of properties. Somalia, which had been in a state of anarchy for more than a decade, has once again gone to war; this war was somehow different from previous ones. The nature of this war is seen to have some religious and political clash while previous ones were much related to tribal and feudal conflicts. Each one of the conflicting parties is claiming that the other group is related to Al-Qaeda when the reality is somehow different from that. After months of armed conflicts within the capital city of Somalia, Union of Islamic Courts took the lead with enormous points by eliminating the warlords who took hostage the country and its people for 16 years. United States of America, which earlier denied any allegation of helping or giving hand to the warlords in the fight to weed out the Islamic Militia in Somalia shortly after the takeover admitted that it had been supporting warlords to destabilise the Islamic militia. America has been an active player in the politics of Somalia, and until now its policy towards restoring peace and stability in the war -torn Somalia is somehow obscure. Somalis believe that it is the right time to take advantage to restore the lost hope of good governance in the country as Union of Islamic Courts led by Sheikh Sharif imposed law and order on Mogadishu, which was seen neither for 16 years. Hundreds of families from overseas countries returned back to Mogadishu, the capital city of Somalia since the takeover took place. At first Transitional Federal Government welcomed the political change, which took place in Mogadishu as the Union of Islamic Courts disarmed a pack of US-backed warlords that took the country and its people hostage for more than a decade. But soon after the Islamic Militia started to capture some other cities, the TFG warned the Union of Islamic Courts of capturing farther cities. A big gap of political misunderstanding came in between the Transitional Federal Government and the Union of Islamic Courts, after the president of fragile Transitional Federal Government requested peacekeeping forces from the African Union. As the new Somali constitution inked in Kenya says, "Peacekeeping forces should not come from the neighbouring countries (Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti)". Likewise, the parliament passed a motion, which it was requesting peacekeeping troops to Somalia without paying attention to the classification of peacekeeping forces from AU countries and of front line countries. This has created an escalation of political crisis in Somalia. Ethiopia, which is the common enemy of Somalia has sent its troops to Somalia in an attempt to protect the Transitional Federal Government. This time, Arab League took the political platform of Somalia to mediate the two conflicting parties. TFG and UIC were invited to attend a mediation conference held on June 2006 in Sudan to settle their differences. After a reconciliation conference, presided over by Sudanese president Omar Hassan Albashir, the current chairman of Arab League, the reconciliation process derailed with unknown reasons but it is believed that Ethiopia was the main figure, which made the reconciliation process fail as the outcome of the meeting could not meet the criteria of Ethiopia's plan to Somalia and then, President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, a well-known pro-Ethiopian warlord and his loyal prime minister Ali Mohamed Gedi, a vet scientist started to advocate the legality of Ethiopian Army presence in Somalia. The Somalis are of the opinion that the involvement of Ethiopian Army in the peacekeeping operations in Somalia could cause havoc and deterioration of the political condition of the country in any case as Ethiopia is an old aged enemy of Somalia in East Africa. While a vast majority of the Somali public strongly opposed to deployment of Ethiopian troop into Somalia under any pretext, president Yusuf's political stance towards the deployment of Ethiopian troops in Somalia is clear and also in action by denying the presence of Ethiopian troops in Somalia just to protect his presidential seat. Since the reconciliation conference in Sudan derailed a number of ministers resigned due to the political misunderstanding between TFG and UIC. Prime minister declared that he would be nominating successors of the resigned 24 ministers. In addition to that, the prime minister himself survived after the Somali parliament passed a motion of no confidence against him recently. Moreover, Prime minister of Ethiopia Milez zanawi whose government earlier denied any presence of Ethiopian troops in Somalia told BBC that his government has sent troops to Somalia to protect the Transitional Federal Government from the Union of Islamic Courts. While on the other hand, Eritrea is also believed to be an active supporter for the Union of Islamic Courts. Somalis believe that the support from both Ethiopia and Eritrea respectively is much related to a proxy war in between them. US government warned Ethiopia and Eritrea stop the proxy war they are playing in the Somali territory. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"" |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Lloyd 4 wrote:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:18:12 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? I can't really see in today's era, the need for them? I've been surfing around looking at ham and talking to an old friend that had a license and it look interesting to me. As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. A DX pile of 100 stations on CW occupies much less bandwidth than 1 SSB station. The CW contact rate exceeds the SSB rate. As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. It's your choice: if you want to play the DX game learn the rules including 25 wpm CW. If you want to operate an appliance, but an appliance. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Dee Flint wrote:
"George Orwell" wrote in message ... Al Klein said: Until and unless you have actually participated in amateur radio in a wide variety of aspects, it is difficult to asses which rules, regulations, knowledge, etc are archaic and which should remain as requirements. Notice that the majority of people advocating ditching requirements are those who have not yet passed those requirements, regardless of their age. Note that the majority of people advocating keeping the requirements have passed them and have experience in amateur radio again regardless of their age. stop lying all the officers of NCI have passed the requirement they support doing away with |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Dave on Tues, Aug 29 2006 4:38 pm
LenAnderson, You have obviously made an INVESTMENT in your technical profession. Yes, I have. Not only has it been intellectually rewarding, it was also monetarily rewarding...for the last 54 years. Make one in your participation in the radio service!! Kiss my yes, "Dave," I've "participated" in numerous radio SERVICES of USA civil radio and in DoD contract work from below LF to Ku-Band. In these previous 54 years I've communicated from land, from the air, from the ocean surface...even once "worked" a station ON the moon. Never once in 53 years was I EVER required to either use or know on-off-keying manual radiotelegraphy. Amateur Radio is a SERVICE!!! If you only think of it as a hobby your thinking is flawed. "Dave," you are SO FLAWED that you can't think straight. Here's the real story: Go to the FULL Title 47, C.F.R., and LOOK at ALL the radio SERVICES. The word "service" used in Title 47 is a regulatory term denoting a type and kind of radio activity being regulated under a Part. Go write the FCC if you don't believe that. But, you won't believe that since you are obviously stuck in some kind of "patriotic" pipe-dream where you think a HOBBY activity is some kind of "national service." Look in Part 95, the Personal Radio SERVICES. In there you will find the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE and the Radio- Control Radio SERVICE. Those are all SERVICES, "Dave." There is NOTHING wrong with having a HOBBY. It's a fine hobby in fact. What is wrong, seriously wrong, with your (observable) thinking is that US amateur radio is some kind of quasi-military "national need" that is somehow "important to the national welfare." It isn't. Amateur radio is about as "vital to the nation" as CB or some model airplane flyers on one of the 72 MHz channels. Yes, HAMS get neat certificates from the federal government (suitable for framing) and like to go around saying "they are 'authorized' by the feds" as if that were some Nobel- laureate accomplishment. It isn't. The FCC is tasked with regulating and mitigating ALL United States civil radio. Since amateur radio transmitters emit RF that requires the FCC to regulate it. The FCC, or rather its predecessors (before 1934), decided that licensing was a way of doing that regulation. To get that license required taking a test. That TEST was never, ever any sort of academic achievement thing (FCC was never chartered to be an academic institution), just something to satisfy the FCC that a license applicant was sufficiently knowledgeable to get that license. Note: Satisfed the FCC...not the ARRL, NOT the nebulous "ham community" or even any "Hams in da Hood." Have you got that straight yet, "Dave?" Did you take some kind of oath of "service" on getting your amateur license? Raise the right hand and repeat after whoever was prompting you on the oath? No? I didn't think so. I took a REAL oath on 13 March 1952, "Dave," entering the United States Army. A Real SERVICE, "Dave." I did my "eight" and got an Honorable Discharge. From February 1953 to end of January 1956 I worked HF comms in Big Time radio. You can even download a photo essay of that from this link: http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf It's 6 MB and will take about 19 minutes download over a POTS dial-up connection. If you look closely at those 20 pages you won't find a single thing about "working CW" (on-off-keying manual telegraphy) yet the whole station ran 24/7 pushing about 220K messages a month. It would be IMPOSSIBLE to send that many (some of which were encrypted) by manual telegraphy unless the signal battalion was doubled. It didn't have to be because the messages got through and on-time. That was 53 to 51 years ago, "Dave." What do you think the military uses NOW for communications? Data, "Dave," Data. High-speed data, "Dave," not some dinky 1200 baud amateur stuff. DIGITAL. Digital can be on-line encrypted and on-line decrypted securely. You show me where the REAL Services use manual radiotelegraphy, "Dave." They don't. It is voice and/or data, most of it in the field done DIGITALLY. /s/ Dave, BSEE, Program Chief Engineer-retired, LGM-118A(RS), MK21/W87 WTF, "Dave?" So, you tacked on a bunch of undescribed acronym things supposedly project numbers or IDs. Are we to be "impressed?" I'm not. I've worked alongside and for PhDs who didn't bother with IMAGE and all that rank-status-title BS... WE got the job done, working together. Amateur radio MIGHT get something done working together. But, you olde-tymers won't. You have to RULE, holding fast to the traditions of 50 to 70 years ago...because YOU and all the olde-tymers had to do it so everyone else has to...and all you olde-tymer morsemen think that "CW" is somehow "best." It isn't "best." If you really have a BSEE instead of just PR BS about morsemanship, you would realize that. http://www.strategic-air-command.com/missiles/Peacekeeper/Peacekeeper... "Dave," amateur radio isn't about missles. Save your energy for donating DVDs of "Strategic Air Command" (starring Jimmy Stewart) to give to impressionable youngsters. I've been in the smoke-and-fire trade of rocket engines for a little while (Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International). Trust me, rocket engines do NOT use manual radiotelegraphy. BTW, SAC is GONE, "Dave." A whole reorganization in the USAF some time ago. No more "oil burner routes" or flying out to loiter near the USSR (the USSR is gone, too). BTW, there were SSB transmitters emitting 12 KHz wide RF long before SAC got the single-channel SSB stuff to use on such loitering. I know, having to keep a few of those REAL SSB transmitters running correctly. Now, "Dave," I can't fault on-off-keying CW any. The key fob for our 2005 Malibu MAXX uses that. Yes, the last vestige of high-speed CW (REAL CW) done digitally. Done by the hundreds of thousands all over the country daily. Nearly all of them operated by unlicensed NON-MORSE-TESTED civilians! That Chebbie got in our garage courtesy of "investments," "Dave." Investments in REAL work, not playing like big-time 1930s radio ops "jobs" of a long- past age by AMATEURS. Beep, beep, Life Member, IEEE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:NrXIg.2771$N84.1234@trnddc08:
If you'll check the address bar when you reply, you might notice that you're posting in a swap group, scanner group, policy group, and antenna group.... IOW, you're just as guilty as the rest of us. :-) Yep, I only very rarely set followups. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Dee Flint on Tues, Aug 29 2006 4:25 pm
Email: "Dee Flint" Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner "George Orwell" wrote in message Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? I can't really see in today's era, the need for them? I've been surfing around looking at ham and talking to an old friend that had a license and it look interesting to me. But, given that many professional people like myself are stretched for time, what good does all the licensing and code requirements do for you besides build up boundries to doing something new and fun? If you will read Part 97 (the rules that govern amateur radio), the government doesn't care about you doing something new and fun. Dee, the "rules that govern amateur radio" are the ENTIRETY of Title 47 C.F.R. I don't care that the ARRL pushes ONLY Part 97. Part 1 has plenty about amateur radio as well as a few other Parts. Look it up. It's free at the US Government Printing Office website. The section on basis and purpose makes it quite clear that their objectives are quite different. The "objectives" of the FCC are to regulate and mitigate ALL civil radio in the USA, Dee. That's what the Communications Act of 1934 and the Telecommunications Act of 1996 chartered them to do (plus quite a bit on wireline comms...which don't apply to amateur radio). The "Basis and Purpose" has a lot of POLITICAL boilerplate in it, just like most of the other Parts for other radio SERVICES. Get real. They want people knowledgeable in ham radio and who are interested in expanding that knowledge. The FCC is mainly interested in all radio services' users FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS, Dee. That's their job. The FCC doesn't "want" people a certain way, only to FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS. I'm in a pretty technical field, and I study to keep up in that field everyday, the last thing I want to do, is have to spend my weekends studying to talk on a radio. If less stringent requirements were there, I could easily afford the tools of the trade, and would like to just jump in and start working with a ham setup. I'm particularly interested in exploring the amateur radio/computer connections. "George," you've got a whole bunch in this forum who think that amateur radio is some kind of veddy formal "JOB" with absolutes on THE WAY THEY DO IT. It's almost draconian in the insistence of "correct proceedure." No one will get fired from that "job" if they don't use "correct" ways but the way they blabber on you'd think they were "supervisors." I have no problem informally looking up information and learning on my own (heck, that's what I'm doing in the USENET group to begin with)...but, I just don't have the time for archaic rules, regulations and codes that as far as I can see...really serve no real purpose but, to keep out busy people that might like to participate. Until and unless you have actually participated in amateur radio in a wide variety of aspects, it is difficult to asses which rules, regulations, knowledge, etc are archaic and which should remain as requirements. Horsepuckey. Dee, "George" is talking about GETTING INTO amateur radio. Don't give us this olde-tymer morseperson "I've operated all the modes there are" stuff. Dee, I've operated lots more modes on radio than YOU are allowed to as an amateur. Manual morse code ability IS an ARCHAIC mode of communications Dee. ALL the other US radio services have either dropped it for comms or never bothered with it in the first place. ALL. The ARRL and the olde-tyme morsepersons insist that the manual morse test "MUST" remain to "show something" about commitment and dedication. To WHOM, Dee? To YOU? To da Hams in da hood? Notice that the majority of people advocating ditching requirements are those who have not yet passed those requirements, regardless of their age. Dee, before you get to the downright-bitchy stage, may I remind you that some of us professionals in radio and electronics NEVER BOTHERED WITH AN AMATEUR RADIO TEST? I got my First 'Phone in 1956. Considerably more testing involved than a ham license test then. Could YOU get a GROL now? Could YOU get a job working with radio hardware? Note that the majority of people advocating keeping the requirements have passed them and have experience in amateur radio again regardless of their age. Yes, nine-year-old Extras possess the maturity and wisdom of the ages, all through having taken that morse test and gotten that magic certificate (suitable for framing). As far as "busy people" go, again refer to the basis and purpose as given in the rules. The government is not concerned about your choice of how you use your time. It has no bearing on what their goals are. Dee, you are LECTURING again. [just how long have you been in ANY radio?] Dee, go look at some 1990 documents on the creation of the no-code-test Technician license. There's a copy available for free download on the NCI website. Over 16 years ago the FCC said outright that it didn't think the manual morse code test suited their purpose in granting an amateur radio license. The FCC said the same thing in last year's NPRM. I DO have to remind you that the FCC's only job is to REGULATE all civil radio in the USA. Their only task is to do that and mitigate matters of interference with other radio services (plus wireline but that's not concerning amateurs). Theirs is not to brainwash hams...that's the ARRL's task. Can you give me valid reasons as to what useful purpose in today's age they serve? [stand by for the LITANY from the Church of St. Hiram] Every piece of knowledge has its uses. The difficult part is winnowing through it and decide what should be tested and what should not. Ahem, to olde-tyme morsepersons, manual morse code skill MUST be tested for any radio privileges below 30 MHz. That's engraved in everlasting marble and protected by nuclear-blast armor plate. Here's why I think code should still be tested: 1. It is still one of the basic building blocks of ham radio. Horsepucky. It was only the first mode used...had to be in the primitive-technology of early radio using "spark." Spark is outlawed now, Dee. For example, one of the "hot" digital modes is PSK31. The developer drew upon personal experience and incorporated features derived from that mode to make a robust digital mode. More sinning-by-omission, Dee. Peter Martinez, G3PLX, innovated PSK31. Using the available Information Theory rules he knew about, derived from commercial and military technology. It was field-tested for years in Europe by many amateurs there before it got any publicity over here. "Hot" is over a decade OLD, Dee. In 1974 Peter was doing great things with polyphase networks for voice SSB...it was written up in RSGB's member- ship magazine. I doubt the ARRL bothered with publicizing it. 2. Because it is not "book learning", too many people will avoid it since it is different than the type of learning they are accustomed to. They will falsely think it is hard when in reality it is different. Requiring them to learn it gets them over that resistance hump. So...morsemanship really IS a barrier. You admit it. 3. Each and every mode has its strong points and weak points. Each of us that participate in ham radio should attempt to gain personal experience in those modes so that we know by that personal experience what those strengths and weaknesses are. Oh my, there we go on the lecture circuit again. Dee, I started out working as an Illustrator. That's an artist who draws/paints things as they really are. I have an aptitude for that. It is as natural to me to draw, fairly well I might add, as a physically-endowed athlete is to sports or another with a musical aptitude is to playing an instrument. The ability to "advance" in manual morse code skill is NOT a "natural" one but an aptitude in only a few of us. The US military even tested for that aptitude in all recruits of the 1940s and 1950s. [I got okay marks in that, by the way...:-) ] The first radio operators used manual morse code. First, it was fine for the primitive state of the art. Second, it was a mature mode in the wireline communications, a technology even more primitive than radio of that time. Telegraphers weren't taken off the street...they either had the aptitude or they didn't. Once "radio" got going, the telegraphers (downsized from wireline comms by those new-fangled teleprinter thingies) made much of their "abilities" using on-off-keying manual morse. The Morse Mythos was born and grew like wildfire. Good, good newsprint copy! But, as time progressed there came NEW modes, much faster and more accurate, without need of morse specialists at each end of a circuit. The radio telegraphers were downsized. They retired and turned to amateur radio of pre-WW2 times. Morse was still king of the modes and ARRL (by the 1930s) was hailing the king as the "best" for all amateurs. None of this newfangled thing called "voice" for them although they did pay lip-service to it. By 1940 the ARRL was King of the membership organizations (through their publications) and they maintained that morsemanship was the epitome of amateur comms. They kept that up after WW2 and on into the single-channel SSB start in the 1950s...again paying lip- service to this newfangled SSB. And you know what? ARRL is STILL trying to promote morsemanship even if sinning-by omission once more. Back before WRC-03 (that's over three years ago) the IARU took a position that the amateur radio license tests for morse ability was NOT mandatory...make it an option for each administration. Lots of folks went along with that, but NOT the ARRL. League was almost vehement in opposition. OK, the ITU-R amateur radio regulations were CHANGED, going along the lines of the IARU position. [that's the International Amateur Radio Union, Dee] Ah, but NOW the ARRL takes a neutral position, won't go either way...they just say that all amateurs must obey the law...but they lobbied last year to keep SOME manual morse testing for the under-30-MHz privileges. 92 years after being formed, the ARRL just can't give up and change to what OTHER folks want... If you are interested, I could construct various scenarios where mode X is the best mode. "X-Files" was cancelled, Dee. [cousin Gillian got a vacation] However, unless you specifically want to know, I won't clutter up the newsgroup at this time with discussions that have been repeated many times by many people already. Please, go on, Dee. I want to hear from your vast experience in radio and all your guru-like knowledge of what is "best" for radio amateurs. Especially WHY everyone has to emulate the olde-tyme amateur days, the ones before you were born. Beep, beep, Life Member, IEEE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message ups.com... From: Dave on Tues, Aug 29 2006 4:38 pm LenAnderson, You have obviously made an INVESTMENT in your technical profession. Yes, I have. Not only has it been intellectually rewarding, it was also monetarily rewarding...for the last 54 years. Make one in your participation in the radio service!! Kiss my yes, "Dave," I've "participated" in numerous radio SERVICES of USA civil radio and in DoD contract work from below LF to Ku-Band. In these previous 54 years I've communicated from land, from the air, from the ocean surface...even once "worked" a station ON the moon. Never once in 53 years was I EVER required to either use or know on-off-keying manual radiotelegraphy. Amateur Radio is a SERVICE!!! If you only think of it as a hobby your thinking is flawed. "Dave," you are SO FLAWED that you can't think straight. Here's the real story: Go to the FULL Title 47, C.F.R., and LOOK at ALL the radio SERVICES. The word "service" used in Title 47 is a regulatory term denoting a type and kind of radio activity being regulated under a Part. Go write the FCC if you don't believe that. But, you won't believe that since you are obviously stuck in some kind of "patriotic" pipe-dream where you think a HOBBY activity is some kind of "national service." Look in Part 95, the Personal Radio SERVICES. In there you will find the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE and the Radio- Control Radio SERVICE. Those are all SERVICES, "Dave." There is NOTHING wrong with having a HOBBY. It's a fine hobby in fact. What is wrong, seriously wrong, with your (observable) thinking is that US amateur radio is some kind of quasi-military "national need" that is somehow "important to the national welfare." It isn't. Amateur radio is about as "vital to the nation" as CB or some model airplane flyers on one of the 72 MHz channels. Yes, HAMS get neat certificates from the federal government (suitable for framing) and like to go around saying "they are 'authorized' by the feds" as if that were some Nobel- laureate accomplishment. It isn't. The FCC is tasked with regulating and mitigating ALL United States civil radio. Since amateur radio transmitters emit RF that requires the FCC to regulate it. The FCC, or rather its predecessors (before 1934), decided that licensing was a way of doing that regulation. To get that license required taking a test. That TEST was never, ever any sort of academic achievement thing (FCC was never chartered to be an academic institution), just something to satisfy the FCC that a license applicant was sufficiently knowledgeable to get that license. Note: Satisfed the FCC...not the ARRL, NOT the nebulous "ham community" or even any "Hams in da Hood." Have you got that straight yet, "Dave?" Did you take some kind of oath of "service" on getting your amateur license? Raise the right hand and repeat after whoever was prompting you on the oath? No? I didn't think so. I took a REAL oath on 13 March 1952, "Dave," entering the United States Army. A Real SERVICE, "Dave." I did my "eight" and got an Honorable Discharge. From February 1953 to end of January 1956 I worked HF comms in Big Time radio. You can even download a photo essay of that from this link: http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf It's 6 MB and will take about 19 minutes download over a POTS dial-up connection. If you look closely at those 20 pages you won't find a single thing about "working CW" (on-off-keying manual telegraphy) yet the whole station ran 24/7 pushing about 220K messages a month. It would be IMPOSSIBLE to send that many (some of which were encrypted) by manual telegraphy unless the signal battalion was doubled. It didn't have to be because the messages got through and on-time. That was 53 to 51 years ago, "Dave." What do you think the military uses NOW for communications? Data, "Dave," Data. High-speed data, "Dave," not some dinky 1200 baud amateur stuff. DIGITAL. Digital can be on-line encrypted and on-line decrypted securely. You show me where the REAL Services use manual radiotelegraphy, "Dave." They don't. It is voice and/or data, most of it in the field done DIGITALLY. /s/ Dave, BSEE, Program Chief Engineer-retired, LGM-118A(RS), MK21/W87 WTF, "Dave?" So, you tacked on a bunch of undescribed acronym things supposedly project numbers or IDs. Are we to be "impressed?" I'm not. I've worked alongside and for PhDs who didn't bother with IMAGE and all that rank-status-title BS... WE got the job done, working together. Amateur radio MIGHT get something done working together. But, you olde-tymers won't. You have to RULE, holding fast to the traditions of 50 to 70 years ago...because YOU and all the olde-tymers had to do it so everyone else has to...and all you olde-tymer morsemen think that "CW" is somehow "best." It isn't "best." If you really have a BSEE instead of just PR BS about morsemanship, you would realize that. http://www.strategic-air-command.com/missiles/Peacekeeper/Peacekeeper... "Dave," amateur radio isn't about missles. Save your energy for donating DVDs of "Strategic Air Command" (starring Jimmy Stewart) to give to impressionable youngsters. I've been in the smoke-and-fire trade of rocket engines for a little while (Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International). Trust me, rocket engines do NOT use manual radiotelegraphy. BTW, SAC is GONE, "Dave." A whole reorganization in the USAF some time ago. No more "oil burner routes" or flying out to loiter near the USSR (the USSR is gone, too). BTW, there were SSB transmitters emitting 12 KHz wide RF long before SAC got the single-channel SSB stuff to use on such loitering. I know, having to keep a few of those REAL SSB transmitters running correctly. Now, "Dave," I can't fault on-off-keying CW any. The key fob for our 2005 Malibu MAXX uses that. Yes, the last vestige of high-speed CW (REAL CW) done digitally. Done by the hundreds of thousands all over the country daily. Nearly all of them operated by unlicensed NON-MORSE-TESTED civilians! That Chebbie got in our garage courtesy of "investments," "Dave." Investments in REAL work, not playing like big-time 1930s radio ops "jobs" of a long- past age by AMATEURS. Beep, beep, Life Member, IEEE Oh, my. Lennie is pontificating yet again. Bragging. Reminding us, The Great Unwashed, of his deeds of electronic daring-do. Listen up, gents and Gentiles, as Lenny regales us with his words of wisdom and his off-beat Mississippi brand of home-spun humor. Good to see he is doing so over his own name this time rather than over the callsign of another. YAWN! |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message ups.com... From: Dee Flint on Tues, Aug 29 2006 4:25 pm Email: "Dee Flint" Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.scanner "George Orwell" wrote in message Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? I can't really see in today's era, the need for them? I've been surfing around looking at ham and talking to an old friend that had a license and it look interesting to me. But, given that many professional people like myself are stretched for time, what good does all the licensing and code requirements do for you besides build up boundries to doing something new and fun? If you will read Part 97 (the rules that govern amateur radio), the government doesn't care about you doing something new and fun. Dee, the "rules that govern amateur radio" are the ENTIRETY of Title 47 C.F.R. I don't care that the ARRL pushes ONLY Part 97. Part 1 has plenty about amateur radio as well as a few other Parts. Look it up. It's free at the US Government Printing Office website. The section on basis and purpose makes it quite clear that their objectives are quite different. The "objectives" of the FCC are to regulate and mitigate ALL civil radio in the USA, Dee. That's what the Communications Act of 1934 and the Telecommunications Act of 1996 chartered them to do (plus quite a bit on wireline comms...which don't apply to amateur radio). The "Basis and Purpose" has a lot of POLITICAL boilerplate in it, just like most of the other Parts for other radio SERVICES. Get real. They want people knowledgeable in ham radio and who are interested in expanding that knowledge. The FCC is mainly interested in all radio services' users FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS, Dee. That's their job. The FCC doesn't "want" people a certain way, only to FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS. I'm in a pretty technical field, and I study to keep up in that field everyday, the last thing I want to do, is have to spend my weekends studying to talk on a radio. If less stringent requirements were there, I could easily afford the tools of the trade, and would like to just jump in and start working with a ham setup. I'm particularly interested in exploring the amateur radio/computer connections. "George," you've got a whole bunch in this forum who think that amateur radio is some kind of veddy formal "JOB" with absolutes on THE WAY THEY DO IT. It's almost draconian in the insistence of "correct proceedure." No one will get fired from that "job" if they don't use "correct" ways but the way they blabber on you'd think they were "supervisors." I have no problem informally looking up information and learning on my own (heck, that's what I'm doing in the USENET group to begin with)...but, I just don't have the time for archaic rules, regulations and codes that as far as I can see...really serve no real purpose but, to keep out busy people that might like to participate. Until and unless you have actually participated in amateur radio in a wide variety of aspects, it is difficult to asses which rules, regulations, knowledge, etc are archaic and which should remain as requirements. Horsepuckey. Dee, "George" is talking about GETTING INTO amateur radio. Don't give us this olde-tymer morseperson "I've operated all the modes there are" stuff. Dee, I've operated lots more modes on radio than YOU are allowed to as an amateur. Manual morse code ability IS an ARCHAIC mode of communications Dee. ALL the other US radio services have either dropped it for comms or never bothered with it in the first place. ALL. The ARRL and the olde-tyme morsepersons insist that the manual morse test "MUST" remain to "show something" about commitment and dedication. To WHOM, Dee? To YOU? To da Hams in da hood? Notice that the majority of people advocating ditching requirements are those who have not yet passed those requirements, regardless of their age. Dee, before you get to the downright-bitchy stage, may I remind you that some of us professionals in radio and electronics NEVER BOTHERED WITH AN AMATEUR RADIO TEST? I got my First 'Phone in 1956. Considerably more testing involved than a ham license test then. Could YOU get a GROL now? Could YOU get a job working with radio hardware? Note that the majority of people advocating keeping the requirements have passed them and have experience in amateur radio again regardless of their age. Yes, nine-year-old Extras possess the maturity and wisdom of the ages, all through having taken that morse test and gotten that magic certificate (suitable for framing). As far as "busy people" go, again refer to the basis and purpose as given in the rules. The government is not concerned about your choice of how you use your time. It has no bearing on what their goals are. Dee, you are LECTURING again. [just how long have you been in ANY radio?] Dee, go look at some 1990 documents on the creation of the no-code-test Technician license. There's a copy available for free download on the NCI website. Over 16 years ago the FCC said outright that it didn't think the manual morse code test suited their purpose in granting an amateur radio license. The FCC said the same thing in last year's NPRM. I DO have to remind you that the FCC's only job is to REGULATE all civil radio in the USA. Their only task is to do that and mitigate matters of interference with other radio services (plus wireline but that's not concerning amateurs). Theirs is not to brainwash hams...that's the ARRL's task. Can you give me valid reasons as to what useful purpose in today's age they serve? [stand by for the LITANY from the Church of St. Hiram] Every piece of knowledge has its uses. The difficult part is winnowing through it and decide what should be tested and what should not. Ahem, to olde-tyme morsepersons, manual morse code skill MUST be tested for any radio privileges below 30 MHz. That's engraved in everlasting marble and protected by nuclear-blast armor plate. Here's why I think code should still be tested: 1. It is still one of the basic building blocks of ham radio. Horsepucky. It was only the first mode used...had to be in the primitive-technology of early radio using "spark." Spark is outlawed now, Dee. For example, one of the "hot" digital modes is PSK31. The developer drew upon personal experience and incorporated features derived from that mode to make a robust digital mode. More sinning-by-omission, Dee. Peter Martinez, G3PLX, innovated PSK31. Using the available Information Theory rules he knew about, derived from commercial and military technology. It was field-tested for years in Europe by many amateurs there before it got any publicity over here. "Hot" is over a decade OLD, Dee. In 1974 Peter was doing great things with polyphase networks for voice SSB...it was written up in RSGB's member- ship magazine. I doubt the ARRL bothered with publicizing it. 2. Because it is not "book learning", too many people will avoid it since it is different than the type of learning they are accustomed to. They will falsely think it is hard when in reality it is different. Requiring them to learn it gets them over that resistance hump. So...morsemanship really IS a barrier. You admit it. 3. Each and every mode has its strong points and weak points. Each of us that participate in ham radio should attempt to gain personal experience in those modes so that we know by that personal experience what those strengths and weaknesses are. Oh my, there we go on the lecture circuit again. Dee, I started out working as an Illustrator. That's an artist who draws/paints things as they really are. I have an aptitude for that. It is as natural to me to draw, fairly well I might add, as a physically-endowed athlete is to sports or another with a musical aptitude is to playing an instrument. The ability to "advance" in manual morse code skill is NOT a "natural" one but an aptitude in only a few of us. The US military even tested for that aptitude in all recruits of the 1940s and 1950s. [I got okay marks in that, by the way...:-) ] The first radio operators used manual morse code. First, it was fine for the primitive state of the art. Second, it was a mature mode in the wireline communications, a technology even more primitive than radio of that time. Telegraphers weren't taken off the street...they either had the aptitude or they didn't. Once "radio" got going, the telegraphers (downsized from wireline comms by those new-fangled teleprinter thingies) made much of their "abilities" using on-off-keying manual morse. The Morse Mythos was born and grew like wildfire. Good, good newsprint copy! But, as time progressed there came NEW modes, much faster and more accurate, without need of morse specialists at each end of a circuit. The radio telegraphers were downsized. They retired and turned to amateur radio of pre-WW2 times. Morse was still king of the modes and ARRL (by the 1930s) was hailing the king as the "best" for all amateurs. None of this newfangled thing called "voice" for them although they did pay lip-service to it. By 1940 the ARRL was King of the membership organizations (through their publications) and they maintained that morsemanship was the epitome of amateur comms. They kept that up after WW2 and on into the single-channel SSB start in the 1950s...again paying lip- service to this newfangled SSB. And you know what? ARRL is STILL trying to promote morsemanship even if sinning-by omission once more. Back before WRC-03 (that's over three years ago) the IARU took a position that the amateur radio license tests for morse ability was NOT mandatory...make it an option for each administration. Lots of folks went along with that, but NOT the ARRL. League was almost vehement in opposition. OK, the ITU-R amateur radio regulations were CHANGED, going along the lines of the IARU position. [that's the International Amateur Radio Union, Dee] Ah, but NOW the ARRL takes a neutral position, won't go either way...they just say that all amateurs must obey the law...but they lobbied last year to keep SOME manual morse testing for the under-30-MHz privileges. 92 years after being formed, the ARRL just can't give up and change to what OTHER folks want... If you are interested, I could construct various scenarios where mode X is the best mode. "X-Files" was cancelled, Dee. [cousin Gillian got a vacation] However, unless you specifically want to know, I won't clutter up the newsgroup at this time with discussions that have been repeated many times by many people already. Please, go on, Dee. I want to hear from your vast experience in radio and all your guru-like knowledge of what is "best" for radio amateurs. Especially WHY everyone has to emulate the olde-tyme amateur days, the ones before you were born. Beep, beep, Life Member, IEEE Wow! It took you so long to say so little, Len! Why not simply toss the "personal experience" gauntlet directly into her chops and challenge Dee to a battle of the electronic wits at sunrise? I'm sure it will do wonders for your machismo and, if it makes you feel that you succeeded in one-upman****, perhaps you can even send her to her corner, crying for mercy. Go ahead, Len. Dazzle her with your brilliance and browbeat her if you can. There...don't you feel better already? Was the relief good for you? Feel vindicated? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Not Lloyd wrote: wrote in message Wow! It took you so long to say so little, Len! so he is long winded? Why not simply toss the "personal experience" gauntlet directly into her chops and challenge Dee to a battle of the electronic wits at sunrise? I'm sure it will do wonders for your machismo and, if it makes you feel that you succeeded in one-upman****, perhaps you can even send her to her corner, crying for mercy. not likely Dee obviously lacks the snece for that Go ahead, Len. Dazzle her with your brilliance and browbeat her if you can. There...don't you feel better already? Was the relief good for you? Feel vindicated? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"an old friend" wrote in message ps.com... Not Lloyd wrote: wrote in message Wow! It took you so long to say so little, Len! so he is long winded? Why not simply toss the "personal experience" gauntlet directly into her chops and challenge Dee to a battle of the electronic wits at sunrise? I'm sure it will do wonders for your machismo and, if it makes you feel that you succeeded in one-upman****, perhaps you can even send her to her corner, crying for mercy. not likely Dee obviously lacks the snece for that Go ahead, Len. Dazzle her with your brilliance and browbeat her if you can. There...don't you feel better already? Was the relief good for you? Feel vindicated? "snece"? Care to 'splain that, Lucy? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:21:53 -0400, Dave wrote: I'll say it again ... INVESTMENT!! If an activity is to have value it must have INVESTMENT. Bull**** Your rudeness is clearly expressed in your one word response [above]. A more appropriate response, carrying the same meaning, but suitable for an open list, would be 'bovine defacation'! No wonder Ham Radio is going the way of CB with people who express themselves so poorly and are unwilling to work for something they value. Where your treasure is ... there your heart is! /s/ Dave I value my tech license not because I had to work for it but becuase it has been a great return on my effort if Ihad had to work twice as hard Id value it half as much http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave" wrote in message
. .. wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:21:53 -0400, Dave wrote: I'll say it again ... INVESTMENT!! If an activity is to have value it must have INVESTMENT. Bull**** Your rudeness is clearly expressed in your one word response [above]. A more appropriate response, carrying the same meaning, but suitable for an open list, would be 'bovine defacation'! No wonder Ham Radio is going the way of CB with people who express themselves so poorly and are unwilling to work for something they value. Where your treasure is ... there your heart is! /s/ Dave Dave, he can't help it, his education is "limited" and doesn't know any better - due to NO EFFORT - effort as he said was bull **** too. So you can't expect much out of someone who has apparently made effort - to do something. Mork the dork - The man is right - IT IS AN INVESTMENT - OR shall we assume your radios were given to you by the welfare office, paid for by pan handling on the street, or some other way which YOU didn't have to pay for them? ALSO - to get involved in such a hobby - ANY hobby - YOU MAKE AN INVESTMENT in time and well - whatever to enjoy it. We won't go with effort since it too is bull ****. L. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Example.
A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central Pacific Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL]. Swain's Island had just been approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American Radio relay League] as a separate DX [distance] entity and as such it qualifies as an entry into the various DX awards [DXCC being the prime award}. [DXCC means you have submitted written proof of confirmed contacts with other ham radio operators in 100 or more other countries [or entities]. The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then returned home. There is no-one there today! Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB? Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets the dial frequency. Then voice audio was added to the carrier. This addition [modulation] produced two audio signals around the carrier. One above the carrier, the other below the carrier. So, the resulting signal had the carrier and one upper side band and one lower sideband. The carrier contained 2X the power of the audio. And the audio was redundant with 1/2 the audio power in each sideband. The resulting signal can be described as Double Sideband Plus Carrier. In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:10:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote: Dave Said: As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. I've seen this DX term here and there, but, can't seem to find out what it stand for, or what a DX community is. Can you post some info or links on what this is/involves? well even if you are pulling our chain it is better than a lot of the stuff posted DX isseeking out Distant contacts for an eXchange of very basic data and ocollecting these conacts and esp proof of these conacts for various awadrd the DX comunity obviously is those into chasing down these DX contacts Thanks, noonespecial http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:18:12 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? In lieu of any other meaningful test (and there currently is none), it shows a willingness to put in a minimum amount of effort. But, given that many professional people like myself are stretched for time, what good does all the licensing and code requirements do for you besides build up boundries to doing something new and fun? You might ask that about anything. Given that insert group here like myself are stretched for time, what do all the requirements for insert something here do for anyone? I'm in a pretty technical field, and I study to keep up in that field everyday, the last thing I want to do, is have to spend my weekends studying to talk on a radio. So don't. Buy a CB, FRS or GMRS radio and talk all you like. Those are the services created for folks who just want to talk on the radio. If less stringent requirements were there, I could easily afford the tools of the trade, and would like to just jump in and start working with a ham setup. I'm particularly interested in exploring the amateur radio/computer connections. You won't like that - you'll have to devote a lot of your precious time to learning things - electronics, both theoretical and practical, programming, reading a waterfall display, keeping your signal distortion-free ... You can't just plug a radio into a computer and start using them. Digital communications doesn't work if you do it that way. Can you give me valid reasons as to what useful purpose in today's age they serve? No, since someone who wants instant gratification can't be bothered to listen to why that's the wrong way to do something. Your time is probably much to valuable to spend it learning enough to understand why you can't learn enough in an instant. Go memorize some test answers, get a code-free tech, hook your computer up to your radio and, in 6 months, you'll have your radio up for sale on eBay, because "it doesn't really work". |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Bummer.. well, there's a bunch of ways to test, flashing lights and other
ways. If dyslexia is a problem, just have to get someone to read off the dit-dah sequences while you memorize them, or use a recorded audio lesson. There's always a way! gud luck, rb wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:17:34 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Good on ya then! Do upgrade whenever you can, coz hammin' can be fun if you can find a decent bunch to hang with. Learning 5wpm is pretty easy and gives you a new "toy" or "language" to play with if you are so inclined. easy for some I spent 5 years at it in my teens for a Novice license and neve got a novice license instead it was learned I have serious case os dyslexia andfew of its fellow travlers The big plus being the new privileges and theory, and all the hi-tech progression in radio going on in the 21st Century! There's lots to get into. Gud luck, rb wrote in message . .. On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:38:54 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Ah, my bad... sry. rb np I expect the FCC to help me correct that soon enough Radio content: There used to be a radio swap group here.... indeed and all kinds of radio gruops wrote in message m... On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:43 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Yeah, yoo big chikin. LOL I dare you to pick up a mic and do a radio test on 3.865 by saying "Beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeep"! rb well as a etech I realy should not try that one "an old friend" wrote in message legroups.com... http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:24:51 -0400 (EDT), Anonyma
wrote: In my case, and I'm sure many others out there in this day in age, my TIME is what is of such short supply. I have no problem laying out cash for equipment...with most things I do, I generally jump in with both feet, buy equipment and 'learn as I go'. A GMRS license costs money. A ham license costs study (time). Your choice. Either one lets you "talk on the radio". |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Good point on the seinfeld thing.. lol..
and yep, those Al Qaeda guys are insane idiots, for sure. No good can come from anything they have a hand in. rb wrote in message ups.com... Woody wrote: Who's gonna see a single want ad in 300 postings about nothing? Seinfeld ran for eight years and it was all about nothing. People cried at the end. Who wants to pilfer 300 postings about nothing to find a sale ad? On the Somalia thing, Do you mean extremists/terrorists that claim to follow Islam, or just basic Islamists? Here's one: ""Somali Islamist gunmen undergo military training http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx...ticleid=281612 {EXCERPT} Mail & Guardian Online, South Africa Somalia's dominant Islamic movement on Tuesday launched intensive military training for hundreds of its gunmen under a plan to create instruments of statehood......"" It looks like you mean the former. Please understand that Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists/extremists, it doesn't matter what religion they claim to follow. rb Here's another: ""SOMALIA, THE BLACK HOLE OF ANARCHY BY AHMED Q. BURSALIID In mid July 2005 The U.S. intelligence agents, working with local warlords, have carried out counter terrorist operations to seize sus*pects. "Somalia remains the theatre for a shadowy confrontation involving local Ji*hadis, foreign Al Qaeda operatives and in*telligence services from a number of re*gional and Western countries," says a report by the International Crisis Group in 2005. The report says the "dirty war be*tween terrorists and counter-terrorist oper*atives in Mogadishu appears to have en*tered a new and more vicious stage that threatens to push the country further towards Jihadism and extremist violence un*less its root causes are properly addressed." The Somali transitional federal government was formed in neighbouring Kenya in 2004 and moved into Somalia June 2005. However, the administration has failed to relocate to Mogadishu, the Somali capital, because the city was considered unsafe. Due to the insecurity of Mogadishu, the TFG relocated to Jawhar, which it later decided to move to Baidoa. Warlords and leaders of Islamic courts have been fighting in Mogadishu for about five months. This led to the loss of hundreds of civilians and destruction of properties. Somalia, which had been in a state of anarchy for more than a decade, has once again gone to war; this war was somehow different from previous ones. The nature of this war is seen to have some religious and political clash while previous ones were much related to tribal and feudal conflicts. Each one of the conflicting parties is claiming that the other group is related to Al-Qaeda when the reality is somehow different from that. After months of armed conflicts within the capital city of Somalia, Union of Islamic Courts took the lead with enormous points by eliminating the warlords who took hostage the country and its people for 16 years. United States of America, which earlier denied any allegation of helping or giving hand to the warlords in the fight to weed out the Islamic Militia in Somalia shortly after the takeover admitted that it had been supporting warlords to destabilise the Islamic militia. America has been an active player in the politics of Somalia, and until now its policy towards restoring peace and stability in the war -torn Somalia is somehow obscure. Somalis believe that it is the right time to take advantage to restore the lost hope of good governance in the country as Union of Islamic Courts led by Sheikh Sharif imposed law and order on Mogadishu, which was seen neither for 16 years. Hundreds of families from overseas countries returned back to Mogadishu, the capital city of Somalia since the takeover took place. At first Transitional Federal Government welcomed the political change, which took place in Mogadishu as the Union of Islamic Courts disarmed a pack of US-backed warlords that took the country and its people hostage for more than a decade. But soon after the Islamic Militia started to capture some other cities, the TFG warned the Union of Islamic Courts of capturing farther cities. A big gap of political misunderstanding came in between the Transitional Federal Government and the Union of Islamic Courts, after the president of fragile Transitional Federal Government requested peacekeeping forces from the African Union. As the new Somali constitution inked in Kenya says, "Peacekeeping forces should not come from the neighbouring countries (Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti)". Likewise, the parliament passed a motion, which it was requesting peacekeeping troops to Somalia without paying attention to the classification of peacekeeping forces from AU countries and of front line countries. This has created an escalation of political crisis in Somalia. Ethiopia, which is the common enemy of Somalia has sent its troops to Somalia in an attempt to protect the Transitional Federal Government. This time, Arab League took the political platform of Somalia to mediate the two conflicting parties. TFG and UIC were invited to attend a mediation conference held on June 2006 in Sudan to settle their differences. After a reconciliation conference, presided over by Sudanese president Omar Hassan Albashir, the current chairman of Arab League, the reconciliation process derailed with unknown reasons but it is believed that Ethiopia was the main figure, which made the reconciliation process fail as the outcome of the meeting could not meet the criteria of Ethiopia's plan to Somalia and then, President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, a well-known pro-Ethiopian warlord and his loyal prime minister Ali Mohamed Gedi, a vet scientist started to advocate the legality of Ethiopian Army presence in Somalia. The Somalis are of the opinion that the involvement of Ethiopian Army in the peacekeeping operations in Somalia could cause havoc and deterioration of the political condition of the country in any case as Ethiopia is an old aged enemy of Somalia in East Africa. While a vast majority of the Somali public strongly opposed to deployment of Ethiopian troop into Somalia under any pretext, president Yusuf's political stance towards the deployment of Ethiopian troops in Somalia is clear and also in action by denying the presence of Ethiopian troops in Somalia just to protect his presidential seat. Since the reconciliation conference in Sudan derailed a number of ministers resigned due to the political misunderstanding between TFG and UIC. Prime minister declared that he would be nominating successors of the resigned 24 ministers. In addition to that, the prime minister himself survived after the Somali parliament passed a motion of no confidence against him recently. Moreover, Prime minister of Ethiopia Milez zanawi whose government earlier denied any presence of Ethiopian troops in Somalia told BBC that his government has sent troops to Somalia to protect the Transitional Federal Government from the Union of Islamic Courts. While on the other hand, Eritrea is also believed to be an active supporter for the Union of Islamic Courts. Somalis believe that the support from both Ethiopia and Eritrea respectively is much related to a proxy war in between them. US government warned Ethiopia and Eritrea stop the proxy war they are playing in the Somali territory. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"" |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Dave wrote:
Example. A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central Pacific Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL]. It was just last month, Dave. Swain's Island had just been approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American Radio relay League] as a separate DX [distance] entity and as such it qualifies as an entry into the various DX awards [DXCC being the prime award}. [DXCC means you have submitted written proof of confirmed contacts with other ham radio operators in 100 or more other countries [or entities]. The "Ham radio Certificate Powers"? The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then returned home. There is no-one there today! Really? The people who live there just up and left? Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB? Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets the dial frequency. The carrier is just there for setting a dial frequency? How about if one just transmitted ONE component, the carrier and then turned it on and off and regular intervals. It might be possible to use the on/off pulses to convey information, huh? In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band] Those "design techniques" were used as early as about 1927. Where is all this going? Dave K8MN |
If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
wrote: On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700, wrote: wrote: On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote: wrote: Woody wrote: Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go through Google archives since before they bought it from DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of postings in the same venal manner he continues to use... especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which he has never, ever proved through any third-party references, digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ. He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers without the aid of Stan Lee. :-) There's some real gems in there. Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with. Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served. acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve Five??? What are they for? one was fr reporting him the BoN another for Daring to mention is daughter (the one with dat 28dec) one forcontacting CAP, another daring to make a true stament about his daugter last month, another for asking if his wfe was fireproof to project her from Robeson flaming pants Liar, liar, pants on fiar. He still hasn't made the connection. Welp, I don't think any female is part of his life so you might as well quit asking. "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people" do this sort of stuff. his other selves perhaps I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP uniform.... most likely he must have some persona that is not the asshole stev is , since he does go out in the world and hasn't been mrudered yet That must be it. Persona #28. "Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have you picked up on his say so. Really. yep whow much safer we are for him Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse 911.... indeed "PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a yiddish accent. and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie. not true sometime it takes more than 5minutes of reading to make obvious after all you must first decided if he is serious No smiley's! "PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert. or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself) "HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots and lots of inuendo. that is you todd Han and scores of others Everybody's gay. except Steve of course and all these gay men wantsteve's body (not) same sort of insanity as wismen He's always talking about resting his chin on his chest... Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated by the VA. "Ask the VA." well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of my old unit Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his "discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer. indeed Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of some kind. Very short lived career. maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP Yikes!!! that would explain things Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm? I know that does worry me too Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about. exactly sorry if I was unclear Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where his old call now resides. Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck lavendar colo[u]red top. Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those medals he didn't earn. has he ever listed them? Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would just raise more questions about seven hostile actions. I assume the good conuct is not amoug them Says he's got those. Persona #29? Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is. "MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it here first. A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy. Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy. Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife. He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy. I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests... So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like the way I think. prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all I'm not a Morse bot. exactly and only bots like himself are welcome So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio. me neither looks liek we will win With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks, no one has won anything. indeed I'm curious if the sour grapes will manifest itself as bad behavio[u]r on the air? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Anonyma" wrote in message ... Dave Said: I'll say it again ... INVESTMENT!! If an activity is to have value it must have INVESTMENT. Hi Dave, Thanks for the replies, I surely didn't mean to get a flamewar going, but, it seems there are some very strong views on this. I don't mind putting an investment into something...usually when I learn something new, I research and get into it 110%. The trouble with the requirements and all there that I see is, that it puts up a very high initial investment before you can actually get in and do anything with it. I guess I question, well how do I know it will be worth all the time invested before I even get to 'play'? In my case, and I'm sure many others out there in this day in age, my TIME is what is of such short supply. I have no problem laying out cash for equipment...with most things I do, I generally jump in with both feet, buy equipment and 'learn as I go'. I'd like to do the same with ham and other radio technologies, but, in this case, I find a large wall in front of me of study and test taking, before I even get to jump on the air even once to see how much I'd like it. Does that make sense to you? Thanks for the replies, The time investment is not as much as it seems. That is even more true of someone who has experience in related fields or has experience in the art of studying. For those with some existing experience in related fields, they can often read up enough in a single weekend to pass the Technician written. This will let you get your feet wet in the VHF/UHF and higher frequencies. There's quite a lot that can be done in this area if you invest in the equipment. Again if you have some related background, the General written is not particularly time consuming to study for either. The code is only as hard as you make it by fighting yourself. If you decide that you will learn it, the average person only needs about 30 hours to get to 5wpm, assuming that a good training method is used. Getting the General license gives you all modes and all bands and the maximum power privileges. The only thing you do not get are some subsections on some of the bands that are reserved for Extra licensees. Now the Extra test is quite a bit more difficult but is not required unless you want to get into those subsections mentioned above. You spoke of "learning as you go". Basically ham radio is the same. Even the Extra class license has only scratched the surface of all that might be involved in amateur radio. The tests & licensing are to insure that you know enough not to get hurt, not to cause harm to other people, and not to make a mess on the bands. Also they are to insure that you have a grounding in the basics so you don't go spinning your wheels trying to get things working. You might ask why this is important. Let's just address the safety area for a moment. Well for example, you can actually get a burn from grabbing an antenna that is being used to transmit. If you get into microwave transmissions, you could fry your eyes (or somebody else's) if you look into the end of a wave guide while it's being used to transmit. You can get electrical shocks from feedback due to a poorly set up station. This is just a small sample of some of the things that you should be familiar with. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
If you saw Mark at a hamfest, would you wave or give him the finger?
wrote in :
On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700, wrote: wrote: On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote: wrote: Woody wrote: Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go through Google archives since before they bought it from DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of postings in the same venal manner he continues to use... especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which he has never, ever proved through any third-party references, digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ. He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers without the aid of Stan Lee. :-) There's some real gems in there. Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with. Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served. acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve Five??? What are they for? one was fr reporting him the BoN another for Daring to mention is daughter (the one with dat 28dec) one forcontacting CAP, another daring to make a true stament about his daugter last month, another for asking if his wfe was fireproof to project her from Robeson flaming pants "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people" do this sort of stuff. his other selves perhaps I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP uniform.... most likely he must have some persona that is not the asshole stev is , since he does go out in the world and hasn't been mrudered yet "Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have you picked up on his say so. Really. yep whow much safer we are for him Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse 911.... indeed "PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a yiddish accent. and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie. not true sometime it takes more than 5minutes of reading to make obvious after all you must first decided if he is serious "PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert. or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself) "HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots and lots of inuendo. that is you todd Han and scores of others Everybody's gay. except Steve of course and all these gay men wantsteve's body (not) same sort of insanity as wismen Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated by the VA. "Ask the VA." well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of my old unit Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his "discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer. indeed Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of some kind. Very short lived career. maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP Yikes!!! that would explain things Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm? I know that does worry me too Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about. exactly sorry if I was unclear Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where his old call now resides. Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck lavendar colo[u]red top. Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those medals he didn't earn. has he ever listed them? Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would just raise more questions about seven hostile actions. I assume the good conuct is not amoug them Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is. "MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it here first. A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy. Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy. Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife. He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy. I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests... So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like the way I think. prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all I'm not a Morse bot. exactly and only bots like himself are welcome So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio. me neither looks liek we will win With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks, no one has won anything. indeed http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer" wrote in message ... Dave Said: As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. I've seen this DX term here and there, but, can't seem to find out what it stand for, or what a DX community is. Can you post some info or links on what this is/involves? Thanks, noonespecial DX simply means distance. If you are talking about HF transmissions, it normally refers to countries outside your own. If you are talking about VHF and higher, it can be within your own country but at distances beyond line of site communications. The "DX community" is simply a term that refers collectively to those who are particularly interested and involved in the longer distance radio contacts. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I would like to add that DXing isn't limited to chasing awards. Some people
just like to find someone in a foreign country to ragchew with. One day I was lucky enough to come across a gentleman in Italy who simply wanted to talk not run a pileup. We spent about 1/2 an hour just chatting. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dave" wrote in message . .. Example. A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central Pacific Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL]. Swain's Island had just been approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American Radio relay League] as a separate DX [distance] entity and as such it qualifies as an entry into the various DX awards [DXCC being the prime award}. [DXCC means you have submitted written proof of confirmed contacts with other ham radio operators in 100 or more other countries [or entities]. The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then returned home. There is no-one there today! Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB? Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets the dial frequency. Then voice audio was added to the carrier. This addition [modulation] produced two audio signals around the carrier. One above the carrier, the other below the carrier. So, the resulting signal had the carrier and one upper side band and one lower sideband. The carrier contained 2X the power of the audio. And the audio was redundant with 1/2 the audio power in each sideband. The resulting signal can be described as Double Sideband Plus Carrier. In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:10:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote: Dave Said: As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. I've seen this DX term here and there, but, can't seem to find out what it stand for, or what a DX community is. Can you post some info or links on what this is/involves? well even if you are pulling our chain it is better than a lot of the stuff posted DX isseeking out Distant contacts for an eXchange of very basic data and ocollecting these conacts and esp proof of these conacts for various awadrd the DX comunity obviously is those into chasing down these DX contacts Thanks, noonespecial http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the fray. On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:34:18 -0400, Dave spake thusly: George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea. Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html This seems fair, to me. As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. But, would my investment be more valuable if, for example, if an additional year of carpentry training were required for me to be certified? I mean, after all, cars had wood frames and bodies at one time so a mechanic would have needed carpentry skills...back in the 1930's. Such an investment would be a bad one. The skills would have no value and do nothing to enhance my skills as a mechanic. The extra investment would have no return with regards to being a mechanic. Carpentry would not make me a better mechanic and would not prove to the world that I really wanted to be a mechanic. CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. But then again, a mechanic *might* need to do urgent bodywork on an 1930's wood-bodied ambulance and therefore save somebodys life. ;-) {hehe...sorry..just had to pour on more coal..} Just about as likely a scenario as CW being the only way to save a life. But then, if I were stranded on a desert island and found some old war time aircraft wreckage, I could modify a magneto to be a spark generator and spark out an S.O.S. My mechanical skills help me there. Well......could happen!! -- \|||/ Kilroy was Here. (@@) ____ooO_(_)_Ooo___________________________________ _ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| |___|____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____ | |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_ _ Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Opus-" wrote in message ... I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the fray. lots snipped The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea. Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html This seems fair, to me. As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. I'm not sure I recall all the other posters idea of investment - but "mine" - was referring to the time/cost how ever little - "spent" or "Invested" - if you will - in the way of time to study or prepare for the exam - acquire equipment AND to actually go on the air to make use of it. So - yes it "can" be looked as an investment - even if in a "minimal" sense of the word. IN the way I "think" you're referring to - as an investment towards a "rewarding career" or leap forward into life - eh - depends on the person. Many do NOT make electronics their lifes work. BUT, many have started from ham (some from CB and then ham) and went on into some electronics or electrical field. So for "them" - it "was" an investment of sorts - into their future. Just like another part of this thread where "memory and memorization" was being used, hacked, slanged - the word "investment" could also go that direction. It is all in how you want to look at it and perceive it. Just my 2 cents! L. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
L. wrote: "Opus-" wrote in message ... As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. I'm not sure I recall all the other posters idea of investment - but "mine" - was referring to the time/cost how ever little - "spent" or "Invested" - if you will - in the way of time to study or prepare for the exam - acquire equipment AND to actually go on the air to make use of it. So - yes it "can" be looked as an investment - even if in a "minimal" sense of the word. but that doesn't count of course like My g-5500 totor set isn't an investment in my station these folks are just in to what I call the "S&M" school of licensure |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Dave on Tues, Aug 29 2006 4:44 pm
Lloyd 4 wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:18:12 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? I can't really see in today's era, the need for them? I've been surfing around looking at ham and talking to an old friend that had a license and it look interesting to me. As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. A DX pile of 100 stations on CW occupies much less bandwidth than 1 SSB station. The CW contact rate exceeds the SSB rate. As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. Hey, "Dave," since when does the FCC mandate all hams MUST "work DX?" [try to remember that "the DX community" does NOT issue/grant/authorize amateur radio licenses, only the FCC] "Working DX on HF with CW" is an OPTION, not a requirement. In fact, the FCC doesn't even mandate 'working' a foreign radio amateur at all. ['foreign' meaning any country outside USA jurisdiction] It's your choice: if you want to play the DX game learn the rules including 25 wpm CW. "Dave," you really need to be reminded that the FCC does NOT mandate/require/encourage ANY "DX contacts." Neither does the "DX community" grant any licenses OR make any "rules" that ALL US radio amateurs must follow. Oh, and "Dave," the REAL US amateur radio regulations require passing a FIVE WORD PER MINUTE (equivalent) manual telegraphy test (15 words per minute with the "farnesworth" approved equivalent rate), not "twenty-five words per minute." "Dave," have you been licensed a long time? I don't recall ANY FCC requlations requiring a "twenty-five" rating, only the OLD regulation (prior to mid-2000) and that only for Extra class. I'd say you really ought to review the latest rules that apply in this new millennium. You can review those for free at the United States Government Printing Office website under "Code of Federal Regulations." You can also get it at the ARRL website since the ARRL seems to think they are the only "official" source for everything amateur... If you want to operate an appliance, but an appliance. You mean EVERYONE "following the rules of the DX Community" uses homebuilt radios? All have built their own keys so that they don't use appliance keys? Amazing... How does anyone "but an appliance?" :-) Beep, beep, |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Dee Flint on Wed, Aug 30 2006 4:17 pm
"Anonyma" wrote in message Dave Said: I'll say it again ... INVESTMENT!! If an activity is to have value it must have INVESTMENT. [ "Dave" is a suspect banker in the investment trade? ] The time investment is not as much as it seems. Dee, the "time investment" for MORSEMANSHIP depends entirely on the psycho-acoustical aptitudes of the learner. "Learning" a psycho-acoustic skill is NOT an intellectual one, it is a physical one. That is even more true of someone who has experience in related fields or has experience in the art of studying. For those with some existing experience in related fields, they can often read up enough in a single weekend to pass the Technician written. You morsepersons need to get a common story. The rabid morsemen keep saying it is all "memorization," taking no skill whatsoever. This will let you get your feet wet in the VHF/UHF and higher frequencies. There's quite a lot that can be done in this area if you invest in the equipment. Come right out and say it...you morsepersons consider the frequency world above 30 MHz to be beneath you, a place for kids and lids (and probably space cadets) to go and PLAY. Again if you have some related background, the General written is not particularly time consuming to study for either. Everyone can just "memorize" the answers, right? :-) The code is only as hard as you make it by fighting yourself. If you decide that you will learn it, the average person only needs about 30 hours to get to 5wpm, assuming that a good training method is used. The ARRL VEC uses the "farnesworth" method which send at FIFTEEN words per minute...even though the FCC regulations have five. Dee, you haven't addressed the subject of the existance of the manual morse code test itself. You (erroneously) think that it is "necessary," possibly because you had to take that test. Getting the General license gives you all modes and all bands and the maximum power privileges. The only thing you do not get are some subsections on some of the bands that are reserved for Extra licensees. Now the Extra test is quite a bit more difficult but is not required unless you want to get into those subsections mentioned above. Extra class are the "elite." Having an extra license allows all the preening and self-righteous attitudes possible in a hobby activity. It is personally rewarding to elitist-wannabes who have to be "better than ordinary persons." You spoke of "learning as you go". Basically ham radio is the same. Even the Extra class license has only scratched the surface of all that might be involved in amateur radio. Really? All those extras in here seem to think they are FAR better than any professionals in radio...because they had to test for morsemanship. The tests & licensing are to insure that you know enough not to get hurt, not to cause harm to other people, and not to make a mess on the bands. Also they are to insure that you have a grounding in the basics so you don't go spinning your wheels trying to get things working. Golleee! All along I thought the FCC just regulated (and mitigated interference) in ALL US civil radio. Their predecessor agencies (before 1934) used Licensing and Testing for same as a REGULATORY tool. I didn't know that those were also academic tests and diplomas... You might ask why this is important. Why IS morsemanship so important? Let's just address the safety area for a moment. FCC amateur radio regulations cover only the radiated RF power field. As a safety issue for ALL affected by that RF field. Does YOUR station obey the federal regulations? Well for example, you can actually get a burn from grabbing an antenna that is being used to transmit. Why would anyone do that? [anything in official rules on that?] If you get into microwave transmissions, you could fry your eyes (or somebody else's) if you look into the end of a wave guide while it's being used to transmit. Why would anyone do that? You can get far worse damage to the eyes looking into a laser beam of much less power...and you don't need any license for that. You can get electrical shocks from feedback due to a poorly set up station. This is just a small sample of some of the things that you should be familiar with. Those aren't covered in FCC regulations, are they? "Feedback gives one shocks?" I suppose...I've made feedback networks for years and never been "electrically shocked" by them. Delighted and surprised that they worked so well, perhaps, but never got any electrical shocks from feedback. I guess I'm just not "amateur" enough...hi hi :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Dave on Wed, Aug 30 2006 10:34 am
Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB? Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets the dial frequency. Then voice audio was added to the carrier. This addition [modulation] produced two audio signals around the carrier. One above the carrier, the other below the carrier. So, the resulting signal had the carrier and one upper side band and one lower sideband. The carrier contained 2X the power of the audio. And the audio was redundant with 1/2 the audio power in each sideband. The resulting signal can be described as Double Sideband Plus Carrier. In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band] "Dave," your knowledge of Single Sideband is ferklempt. The spectra of an amplitude modulated signal was mathematically described by John R. Carson of AT&T before the 1920s. SSB, including suppressed carrier, was USED by the telephone infrastructure in the 1920s for long-distance lines. The most common system, "C Carrier," had four separate 3 KHz voice channels and would operate on the open-wire telephone lines then common all over the world. This "C Carrier" was directly adapted to HF radio in the early 1930s, the frequency-multiplexed total signal converted to HF and amplified. The first HF SSB radio link was put into service between the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles carrying four voice channels or (to become the later commercial-military standard of two voice and six to eight TTY channels). While single-channel SSB was experimented with before WW2, it didn't expand until after WW2 and a number of US military contracts awarded to then-prominent radio makers (Collins, RCA as two examples). Based on that success, the amateurs took it up in the 1950s while the ARRL promoted the false idea that "SSB was pioneered by radio amateurs." Technically, your statement was faulty. Each "sideband" (the spectra adjacent to the carrier) carries ONE QUARTER of the total RF power output of single-channel SSB, not "half" in normal AM. In normal AM the carrier is always constant in amplitude. In normal AM receivers the "detector" stage is a mixer, combining the carrier with the two sideband spectra with the output lowpass filtered to yield the original audio signal. Single-channel SSB usually suppresses the carrier (almost to extinction) and the "detector" stage being fed an equivalent constant-amplitude carrier signal from an internal receiver oscillator. The mix products of carrier re-insertion and the input single sideband spectra yield the original audio modulation after lowpass filtering. The important thing about single-channel SSB is that a transmitter peak power output of RF need only be one-half to on-quarter of a conventional AM transmitter to yield the same demodulated audio signal level. No morsemanship skill is necessary to use a single-channel SSB radio. Today it is being used on the open sea by both commercial and private boat/ship owners for voice communications; also data, separate or multiplexed, for written communications. |
If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
From: on Wed, Aug 30 2006 4:48 am
wrote: On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote: wrote: Woody wrote: Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go through Google archives since before they bought it from DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of postings in the same venal manner he continues to use... especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which he has never, ever proved through any third-party references, digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ. He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers without the aid of Stan Lee. There's some real gems in there. Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with. Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served. acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve Five??? What are they for? Class A uniforms for when Stebie joins the CAP Judge Advocate General's office and goes on TV. :-) "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people" do this sort of stuff. his other selves perhaps I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP uniform.... Oh, wow, what a thought! Major Dud could have his very own newsgroup featuring all his personnae! :-) "Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have you picked up on his say so. Really. yep whow much safer we are for him Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse 911.... Hey! Rebolutionary! 911 operators call Him! :-) "PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a yiddish accent. and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie. Absolutely true. 'Robitussin' probably has an empty sex life and takes out his frustrations on everyone else. Something on the order of Saddam Hussein now...and about as Yiddish as Hussein... :-) "PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert. or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself) "HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots and lots of inuendo. that is you todd Han and scores of others Everybody's gay. ...but morsemen aren't happy. :-( Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated by the VA. "Ask the VA." well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of my old unit Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his "discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer. At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having presented ANY third-party references or documents or even personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum. If Robeson comes clean and ever shows any documentation now, he is in for tons of remarks of his past claims that he can never weasel out of, not even with the gratuitous personal insults he normally uses against challengers. If Robeson continues on his fraudulent claims, then he is only repeating his present behavior, convincing no one, and building only his own warped fantasy. The rest of us will be stuck with his personal blog output. Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of some kind. Very short lived career. maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP Yikes!!! The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of 'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will (by their own statements) accept membership by civilians. Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm? I know that does worry me too Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about. ...unless one is under the flight path of this "pilot in command." :-) Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where his old call now resides. Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck lavendar colo[u]red top. Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those medals he didn't earn. has he ever listed them? Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would just raise more questions about seven hostile actions. One doesn't get a Good Conduct Medal for fighting in a bar outside of Camp Pendleton... :-) Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is. "MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it here first. Wayyyy too many times... :-) A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy. [ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ] Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy. Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife. He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy. I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests... No? :-) It's like reading "Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft- Ebbing...for fun... :-) So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like the way I think. prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-) I'm not a Morse bot. So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio. me neither looks liek we will win With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks, no one has won anything. The morsemen have been so brainwashed into believing their own efficacy in radio that it is impossible to "win" anything, certainly not with the ARRL publishing house constantly implying that morsemanship is the "best" skill an amateur could have. Amateur morsemen are so wrapped up in their personal skill that they are unable to come to terms with any amateur or professional radio person who doesn't care for it. To them, US amateur radio is ALL ABOUT manual radiotelegraphy. Tsk. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 30 2006 12:02 pm
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:18:12 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? In lieu of any other meaningful test (and there currently is none), it shows a willingness to put in a minimum amount of effort. Gotta love your argument "technique," Big Al...it's your way or the highway...! :-) But, given that many professional people like myself are stretched for time, what good does all the licensing and code requirements do for you besides build up boundries to doing something new and fun? You might ask that about anything. Given that insert group here like myself are stretched for time, what do all the requirements for insert something here do for anyone? Poor Big Al...he must have had a TERRIBLE time learning to be an amateur when he was only Lil Al... :-) I'm in a pretty technical field, and I study to keep up in that field everyday, the last thing I want to do, is have to spend my weekends studying to talk on a radio. So don't. Buy a CB, FRS or GMRS radio and talk all you like. Those are the services created for folks who just want to talk on the radio. Seems like that's all the extras and generals I hear on HF doing...just talking on the radio... :-) If less stringent requirements were there, I could easily afford the tools of the trade, and would like to just jump in and start working with a ham setup. I'm particularly interested in exploring the amateur radio/computer connections. You won't like that - you'll have to devote a lot of your precious time to learning things - electronics, both theoretical and practical, programming, reading a waterfall display, keeping your signal distortion-free ... You can't just plug a radio into a computer and start using them. Digital communications doesn't work if you do it that way. No? You mean you can't buy a rig from HRO, unbox it, and connect it, and have it work right away? :-) There's several transceivers on the market that DO that, Big Al. Have you kept up with radio technology since Spark was outlawed? Can you give me valid reasons as to what useful purpose in today's age they serve? No, since someone who wants instant gratification can't be bothered to listen to why that's the wrong way to do something. Your time is probably much to valuable to spend it learning enough to understand why you can't learn enough in an instant. Go memorize some test answers, get a code-free tech, hook your computer up to your radio and, in 6 months, you'll have your radio up for sale on eBay, because "it doesn't really work". Is eBay where you sold your radios, Big Al? :-) Hey, Big Al, have you written the QPC yet about those simple, easy-to-memorize questions on writtens? No? Why not? Have you written the FCC yet about the anyone-can-get-a-ham- license and tell 'em "what for?" [it's easy to submit a petition to get back to them good ol days you want, FCC tells you the procedure on their website] No? Why not? Maybe you ought to write your congressperson, then. Tell THEM that US amateur radio testing has gone down (your imaginative) toilet and DEMAND that something be DOME about it! You sure are ANGRY about things, Big Al. Maybe you need some tranquilizers or mental therapy? No, you say? Okay, then I'll just put you down in the Cranky Old Coot category. Here, have a Foxtrot Uniform with my best wishes... :-) |
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If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 30 2006 4:48 am wrote: On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote: wrote: Woody wrote: Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go through Google archives since before they bought it from DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of postings in the same venal manner he continues to use... especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which he has never, ever proved through any third-party references, digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ. He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers without the aid of Stan Lee. There's some real gems in there. Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with. Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served. acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve Five??? What are they for? Class A uniforms for when Stebie joins the CAP Judge Advocate General's office and goes on TV. :-) The CAP has a JAG? I think robesin just likes to collect suits. I'm going to have to find an organization chart and locate the JAG's office. "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people" do this sort of stuff. his other selves perhaps I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP uniform.... Oh, wow, what a thought! Major Dud could have his very own newsgroup featuring all his personnae! :-) Sgt York-Robesin and Chesty Puller-Robesin. And probably Sgt Schultz-Robesin from Hogan's Heroes, and Corporal Agarn-Robesin from F-Troop. Then there's Walter Mitty-Robesin from fiction. "Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have you picked up on his say so. Really. yep whow much safer we are for him Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse 911.... Hey! Rebolutionary! 911 operators call Him! :-) He knows everything. But he'll never get the call. He taught the 911 Ops that there's a dash between the digits, i.e., 9-1-1, and they can't find the dash on th{i]er dialpads, even in reverse. "PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a yiddish accent. and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie. Absolutely true. 'Robitussin' probably has an empty sex life and takes out his frustrations on everyone else. Something on the order of Saddam Hussein now...and about as Yiddish as Hussein... :-) Queezay and Oooday had a rape room. Don't know if Saddam participated. Perhaps if robesin had been captured on one of his seven hostile forays behind enemy lines, we might have known the truth about Saddam. "PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert. or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself) "HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots and lots of inuendo. that is you todd Han and scores of others Everybody's gay. ...but morsemen aren't happy. :-( It's not the Gay 90's anymore. But maybe before the 1st decade of the new millenium lets out, we'll have a decision from the FCC. Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated by the VA. "Ask the VA." well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of my old unit Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his "discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer. At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having presented ANY third-party references or documents or even personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum. The sad thing is, even if he were to finally tell the truth no one would believe him. If Robeson comes clean and ever shows any documentation now, he is in for tons of remarks of his past claims that he can never weasel out of, not even with the gratuitous personal insults he normally uses against challengers. And so, robesin can never come clean. He will go to his grave with lies heaped up, pushing up the daisies. If Robeson continues on his fraudulent claims, then he is only repeating his present behavior, convincing no one, and building only his own warped fantasy. The rest of us will be stuck with his personal blog output. We know better. We are stuck with nothing, the nothing that is robesin. Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of some kind. Very short lived career. maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP Yikes!!! The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of 'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will (by their own statements) accept membership by civilians. So they would be free to raid the armory? Yikes! Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm? I know that does worry me too Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about. ...unless one is under the flight path of this "pilot in command." :-) I pity anyone under that flight path. They don't know the danger they might be in. And the CAP and American Taxpayers are liable. Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where his old call now resides. Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck lavendar colo[u]red top. Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those medals he didn't earn. has he ever listed them? Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would just raise more questions about seven hostile actions. One doesn't get a Good Conduct Medal for fighting in a bar outside of Camp Pendleton... :-) Probably why he rests his chin on his chest. Can't hold it high. Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is. "MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it here first. Wayyyy too many times... :-) Froot Loops. A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy. [ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ] I'm sure that that amateur radio dealer became aware of robesin's remarks. Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy. Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife. He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy. I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests... No? :-) It's like reading "Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft- Ebbing...for fun... :-) Ordinary sex is good enough for me. So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like the way I think. prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-) Sorry Anderson Amateur Radio IS NOT Boot Camp! I'm not a Morse bot. So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio. me neither looks liek we will win With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks, no one has won anything. The morsemen have been so brainwashed into believing their own efficacy in radio that it is impossible to "win" anything, certainly not with the ARRL publishing house constantly implying that morsemanship is the "best" skill an amateur could have. Amateur morsemen are so wrapped up in their personal skill that they are unable to come to terms with any amateur or professional radio person who doesn't care for it. To them, US amateur radio is ALL ABOUT manual radiotelegraphy. Tsk. The day of reckoning is coming. |
If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
wrote: wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 30 2006 4:48 am wrote: On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote: wrote: Woody wrote: Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go through Google archives since before they bought it from DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of postings in the same venal manner he continues to use... especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which he has never, ever proved through any third-party references, digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ. He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers without the aid of Stan Lee. There's some real gems in there. Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with. Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served. acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve Five??? What are they for? Class A uniforms for when Stebie joins the CAP Judge Advocate General's office and goes on TV. :-) The CAP has a JAG? I think robesin just likes to collect suits. He loves UNIFORMS, Brian, not suits. ANY uniform. :-) I'm going to have to find an organization chart and locate the JAG's office. I was jesting on the "JAG" part. :-) Robeson-Robesin has been on such a jag trying to impress folks (as a fraud) that his posts have enough material for at least two seasons of "JAG - a personal story." "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people" do this sort of stuff. his other selves perhaps I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP uniform.... Oh, wow, what a thought! Major Dud could have his very own newsgroup featuring all his personnae! :-) Sgt York-Robesin and Chesty Puller-Robesin. And probably Sgt Schultz-Robesin from Hogan's Heroes, and Corporal Agarn-Robesin from F-Troop. Then there's Walter Mitty-Robesin from fiction. Don't forget the skirt-wearing guy from MASH. :-) "Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have you picked up on his say so. Really. yep whow much safer we are for him Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse 911.... Hey! Rebolutionary! 911 operators call Him! :-) He knows everything. But he'll never get the call. He taught the 911 Ops that there's a dash between the digits, i.e., 9-1-1, and they can't find the dash on th{i]er dialpads, even in reverse. Sunnuvagun! "PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a yiddish accent. and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie. Absolutely true. 'Robitussin' probably has an empty sex life and takes out his frustrations on everyone else. Something on the order of Saddam Hussein now...and about as Yiddish as Hussein... :-) Queezay and Oooday had a rape room. Don't know if Saddam participated. Them's Hussein sons? Could they do morse code? :-) Perhaps if robesin had been captured on one of his seven hostile forays behind enemy lines, we might have known the truth about Saddam. "PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert. or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself) "HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots and lots of inuendo. that is you todd Han and scores of others Everybody's gay. ...but morsemen aren't happy. :-( It's not the Gay 90's anymore. But maybe before the 1st decade of the new millenium lets out, we'll have a decision from the FCC. Maybe. Who knows what the ARRL backroom boys are doing in DC? Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated by the VA. "Ask the VA." well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of my old unit Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his "discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer. At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having presented ANY third-party references or documents or even personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum. The sad thing is, even if he were to finally tell the truth no one would believe him. That's one of my points... If Robeson comes clean and ever shows any documentation now, he is in for tons of remarks of his past claims that he can never weasel out of, not even with the gratuitous personal insults he normally uses against challengers. And so, robesin can never come clean. He will go to his grave with lies heaped up, pushing up the daisies. "Hedgerow flowers," Brian, also known as weeds... If Robeson continues on his fraudulent claims, then he is only repeating his present behavior, convincing no one, and building only his own warped fantasy. The rest of us will be stuck with his personal blog output. We know better. We are stuck with nothing, the nothing that is robesin. We got plenty o' nuthin... [from the song] Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of some kind. Very short lived career. maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP Yikes!!! The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of 'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will (by their own statements) accept membership by civilians. So they would be free to raid the armory? Yikes! The armories would no doubt be empty if full activation happens. Prolly better quarters for their monthly meetings, though... Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm? I know that does worry me too Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about. ...unless one is under the flight path of this "pilot in command." :-) I pity anyone under that flight path. They don't know the danger they might be in. And the CAP and American Taxpayers are liable. Well, be thankful we aren't in TN. Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where his old call now resides. Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck lavendar colo[u]red top. Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those medals he didn't earn. has he ever listed them? Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would just raise more questions about seven hostile actions. One doesn't get a Good Conduct Medal for fighting in a bar outside of Camp Pendleton... :-) Probably why he rests his chin on his chest. Can't hold it high. Sounds plausible... Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is. "MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it here first. Wayyyy too many times... :-) Froot Loops. We've been exposed to his cereal killing of the truth... A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy. [ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ] I'm sure that that amateur radio dealer became aware of robesin's remarks. Tsk on me, I missed those exchanges. Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy. Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife. He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy. I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests... No? :-) It's like reading "Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft- Ebbing...for fun... :-) Ordinary sex is good enough for me. I think Robeson wants to experience OTHERS' sex lives... So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like the way I think. prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-) Sorry Anderson Amateur Radio IS NOT Boot Camp! Guess the wannabe DILL sergeant told me, huh? :-) I'm not a Morse bot. So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio. me neither looks liek we will win With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks, no one has won anything. The morsemen have been so brainwashed into believing their own efficacy in radio that it is impossible to "win" anything, certainly not with the ARRL publishing house constantly implying that morsemanship is the "best" skill an amateur could have. Amateur morsemen are so wrapped up in their personal skill that they are unable to come to terms with any amateur or professional radio person who doesn't care for it. To them, US amateur radio is ALL ABOUT manual radiotelegraphy. Tsk. The day of reckoning is coming. Ah reckon y'all are raht... :-) |
If you had to use CW..., would Robesin still be an idiot?
From: on Thurs, Aug 31 2006 8:27 pm
wrote: At this stage of his fraudulent claims, without ever having presented ANY third-party references or documents or even personal photographs, he is caught up in his own conundrum. The sad thing is, even if he were to finally tell the truth no one would believe him. That's one of my points... indeed ut if he told something convincing enough I might pretend to believe just for the sake of peace So far, Robeson has NOT been convincing. He IMPLIES and ALLUDES to things but hardly ever states anything outright and then never with any referencible sources that anyone can access. Robeson has tried to construct an edifice, indeed almost a temple in which we should all venerate his mighty accomplishments AND, at the same time, has leveled barrages of personal insults and deragatory accusations against all challengers. That latter action negated his mighty constructs and established his fraud. That 'edifice' has to be torn down...if for no other reason than being an eyesore to us in his field of dreams. The duties of the Tennessee STATE Guard (not affiliated with the National Guard) were described by them as a sort of in-Tennessee 'custodian' of NG facilities if and only if the NG there is activated into federal service plus being a sort-of 'military police' for that state. As quasi-MPs they would have some ability to access federal records to confirm Robeson's military service. On the other hand, the TN STATE Guard will (by their own statements) accept membership by civilians. So they would be free to raid the armory? Yikes! The armories would no doubt be empty if full activation happens. well they would be defending things like the kitchen sinks and the bathrooms In reality, the STATE Guards (not all states have them) are little more than state political constructs to enable a few to play soldier and otherwise establish their machismo. Part of that is the ever-present "conspiracy theory" coupled with some kind of imaginative armageddon scenario of a doomed future where everything in a state is in ruins or anarchy but the "state guard" can step in and "restore order." The curious thing about the latter is that some of the Believers in the efficacy of morsemanship think in the same manner...that only amateur radio survives the worst emergency and that only morsemanship can be used to call for help. That is patently absurd in light of reality but founded on the mythos of morse that grew following the Titanic disaster of 94 years ago. As to fully-activated National Guard units, the states have various plans to keep the NG structures and land intact, usually using civilian personnel (law enforcement, probably) and that does not require a lot of personnel. In the field of communications for the REAL public safety agencies, those agencies are well-supplied with many forms of communication of their own (outnumbering amateur licensees according to EIA data of about 15 years ago) that is NOT part of the "telephone infrastructure" that many ham-patriots erroneously think "always fails in an emergency." Most public safety agencies in the USA have established emergency-scenario plans and they periodically train/drill for those procedures. Very few amateur radio local organizations do that. A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy. [ NOT the way to expect a discount from that dealer... ] I'm sure that that amateur radio dealer became aware of robesin's remarks. Tsk on me, I missed those exchanges. me too For several months past I simply did not bother accessing Google for this newsgroup. It was a waste of time when the macho middle-school mental-adolescents came in and talked trash and filth to anyone. How many of those anony-mousies were actual amateur radio licensees is unknown and irrelevant. The known licensed amateurs just didn't do anything about them. That presents a very BIG negative on the amateurs' ability "to police their own." They couldn't. They can't despite their brags about such "policing." Robeson once made claims that he was IN one of the local Los Angeles HRO stores, with "friends while visiting them." A big problem with that was that was his claimed time-line and NOT being able to describe, even in minor detail, the locations or the surrounding territory. The first HRO in northern L.A. was in Van Nuys, CA, in the center of the San Fernando Valley. [bought my Icom R70 there years ago] That HRO moved to Burbank, CA, a few years ago, at the corner of Buena Vista and Victory (a major intersection with shops at all four corners). It is across the street from a relatively new food supermarket having a huge elevated sign visible from all four corners. Robeson could not describe that sign, let alone the location, even though it was easily visible (he didn't name the supermarket). It is very familiar to me since my wife and I shop there regularly. Robeson couldn't name a single store in the mini-mall across the street from the market even though there's a Radio Shack outlet next to that HRO. That HRO has now moved again (they had a window sign announcing that for weeks) and we will see if Robeson wants to repeat all of his lies about being in any one of them. :-) Robeson imagined himself to be a "real" GSgt, a DILL sergeant who GIVES orders and is immune to any criticsm. :-) Sorry Anderson Amateur Radio IS NOT Boot Camp! Guess the wannabe DILL sergeant told me, huh? :-) well real boot camp would pleasenter than what Robesin would devise I know Boot camp was accuauly the most fun I had in the army Brian and I were being sarcastic about "boot camp." The US Army and the USAF *never* had "boot camp." In those branches is was called BASIC TRAINING. It still is and is usually referred to familiarly as just "Basic." I "took Basic" at Camp Gordon (now Fort Gordon) which was in 1952 a Signal Corps center and now THE Center for Army Signal Corps. We had to learn basic infantryman soldiering, how to "close with the enemy and destroy them." No fun in that part of Georgia near Agusta. The only communications taught in Basic were courier duties and connecting/using an EE-8 Field Telephone plus laying field wire (real grunt work carrying that auto-pay-out wire box on a back pack). After 8 weeks of Basic we were assigned to Signal Schools...Field Radio and TTY at Gordon, radar-microwave-photography at Ft. Monmouth, NJ. For me, "fun" didn't begin until Monmouth and the ability to actually handle radios, examine their guts and theory, use them on the air. Things have changed greatly in military communications since 54 years ago. The Field Radio MOS long since became extinct and with it the need to learn manual radio- telegraphy. HF radio is still taught but more as an adjunct to VHF radios common from small units to battalion level...the SINCGARS family of digital voice/data, optional frequency-hopping and encrypted modes with a quarter million produced since 1989 and all operational...to be replaced soon with a compatible but upgraded family of radios with more and better features. HT-sized SINCGARS-compatible radios are being used in Iraq and Afghanistan now (you can see them on news telecasts). The ONLY radiotelegraphy classes are centered at the Military Intelligence School at Ft. Huachuca and that for (passive, listening-only) Intercept Analysis purposes, not communications. Some non-active or never-serving morsemen in here have insisted that Special Forces "use" radiotelegraphy since a Special Forces Communications Sergeant MOS is required to know that. Special Forces are very macho in image but they, like the USN SEALs, are a very small group of specialists, for (as their name implies) Special operations. The major Army and land-force marines effort is done by regular land soldiers. "Behind the lines" (quaint euphemism) comms can be done by regular land signal units by encrypted data over VHF-UHF, relay by aircraft or satellite, extemely hard to intercept. Even in the 1990 First Gulf War there was no "CW" used from "Behind enemy lines." The AN/PSC-3 did that or, in a few locations inside Iraq, by VHF voice or data. The extreme mobility of USA land forces now, and in 1990, is described in the many land-forces reports done on the First Gulf War, namely Operation "73-Easting." The final hundred hours of the First Gulf War outdid the best panzerfaust actions of Rommel in North Africa of 1942- 1943. About two orders of magnitude better. One thing that the American military did copy from Rommel's units was "Nevis" or NVIS, Near Vertical Incidence Skywave, short-distance ionospheric bounce that some hams deride as "cloud burning." Nevis works rather well and has been a field procedure in USA-USMC-USAF land-to-land comms for at least a quarter century. World War 2 was over 61 years ago. Vietnam War was over 33 years go. The First Gulf War started (and finished almost as quickly) 16 years ago. The Korean War went into a state of perpetual Truce 53 years ago. Amateur morsemen still gorge their imaginations on the Titanic disaster CW comms of 94 years ago. Time has gone on and technology has changed...for all but those hidebound morsemen are still pipe-dreaming their imagined glory and self-steam after watching old WW2 movies on late-night TV, demanding that future amateurs learn morse to defend their homeland. :-) |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:06:39 GMT, Slow Code wrote: wrote in m: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:34 GMT, Slow Code wrote: wrote in m: On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700, wrote: but you are a bad one wanting to take away the preledges other earned for themselves You don't want to earn radio "preledges" Mark. You're too lazy to put forth an effort to earn them. I have earned them You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn them. You're too friggen lazy to put forth an effort to earn anymore priviledges, that's why you want ham radio dumbed down. Now, if I lived near you, I would do CW practice for you to upgrade. I honestly would. What you should do if you have an HF receiver is to try to find some code on air to practice copying. Maybe you could talk N9OGL into making Omega One a code practice station. He could send Code practice runs in between all the ****ty songs he plays. SC |
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Slow Code wrote: wrote in : You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn them. funy how for all you claim to be better than I and better than those that agree with me on code tesing Our view is going to prevail trolling right along |
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rom: an old friend on Fri, Sep 1 2006 7:30 pm
Slow Code wrote: wrote in : You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn them. funy how for all you claim to be better than I and better than those that agree with me on code tesing Our view is going to prevail trolling right along Mark, you have to give up on this anonymous "Slow Code." He is just another of the Bigot Morsemen. He cannot adjust to changing times, changing technology, or (perhaps) changing his underwear. The FCC establishes regulations for ALL United States civil radio. What the FCC says, goes. The ARRL doesn't rule, morsemen don't rule, and old, old traditions don't rule. The FCC has NEVER said anything about "earning" a license...a license applicant must take an FCC-approved test and score above an FCC-established minimum percentage correct answers. That's all there is. FCC regulations are LAW and that LAW can be changed by democratic principled means. That LAW is not established by some minority group who cannot advance beyond primitive on-off carrier keying. This "Slow Code" (like all bigoted morsemen) has taken up a role of "I-am-your-leader" gang-banger bull**** bragging and usual calling names of those licensees "below" him. Poor guy (or gal?). That's all this "Slow Code" has...SOME manual morse code skill. He might be right at home in an 1870s telegraph office but his attitude is neither for democratic principles, nor for good fellowship in a hobby, nor as a human being participating in a discussion forum. The FCC doesn't "rule" on any amateur radio "traditions." It simply regulates ALL US civil radio (amateur radio is a small part of that) and mitigates interference when it happens. The FCC follows the LAW in their charter, permitting an open forum for Comments on NPRMs, even R&Os, open for ALL citizens and even allowing Comments from non-citizens. Bigot morsemen do NOT allow any opinions opposing their own over-inflated self-defined opinions. They want to RULE all the Homies in da Ham Hood. They think they "own" ham radio when the only thing they've "earned" is a bad attitude against them. It's a wonder they haven't taken up Spark transmitters (even though damped-wave mode is forbidden by law). Spark and morsemanship went together in olden days, days well before the existance of any of the bigot morsemen in this forum. "Slow Code" needs a time machine to go back to that old era since he can't keep up with modern times nor the democratic principles of the representative republic of the United States of America. As a professional in radio communications, one who began in and on HF over a half century ago, I have contempt for the over-inflated egos of the bigot morsemen. None have made their case valid enough to warrant morse code testing for amateur radio licenses forever. But, the ARRL is toadying to them, vainly hoping to increase their minority membership by sticking to the amateur practice of a half century ago. ARRL membership hasn't increased beyond a quarter of all licensed radio amateurs in the United States, nor has the ARRL favored, ever, the VHF-and-up amateur radio licensees beyond the barest minimum of mentions. Sooner or later the FCC will yield to PUBLIC pressure to modernize US amateur radio beyond the old-fashioned limitations and favoritism towards morsemanship lobbied for by the ARRL. It may not come in "Slow Code's" lifetime since he is of the group where a morse key has to be pried from his cold, dead fingers. Poor "Slow Code," old before his time, unable to fit into this new millennium of radio technology. |
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We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code
you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... "an old friend" wrote in message ups.com... Slow Code wrote: wrote in : You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn them. funy how for all you claim to be better than I and better than those that agree with me on code tesing Our view is going to prevail trolling right along |
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