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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Opus- wrote: On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:50:20 GMT, Slow Code spake thusly: " wrote in roups.com: Dee Flint wrote: "Opus-" wrote in message ... CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been presented and those with closed minds have rejected them. Pity the morse zealots and their closed minds... :-) Pity the lazy asses that just want to be appliance operators. They care nothing for the integrity of the service. Newsflash: ALL radio operators, code or no-code, are "appliance operators" as you colloquially state. A radio is a means to communicate. Knowing code just adds another way to use that radio. Quite true, Opus! Thank you for pointing that out. Let us hope that Blowcode sticks to his ARRL "Archie" comic books while he mimes the "Wizard of Oz's" scarecrow wishing he had a brain. :-( |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:50:19 GMT, Slow Code spake
thusly: There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver, phone, & CW. All you need for phone is a microphone, All you need for CW is a pencil and paper. If you had to build a transmitter in an emergency, a CW transmitter is simpliest to build. We are after all technical aren't we? We're not just appliance operators. Build a transmitter? I could humiliate you there, but that's been done already. Eliminating CW removes a way we can communicate. A simple way, where all that's required is an ear, a pencil, and paper, and a skill. There is NOTHING about removing code testing that will stop you from using code. Wanna use code? Go ahead, knock yourself out. You can hammer on that key all night long, for all anybody cares. Hammer on it in your sleep. Hammer on it in the shower. Just don't tell me that I am a bad person if I don't. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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oups.com: From: Slow Code on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 11:50 pm " wrote in From: Opus- on Wed, Sep 6 2006 11:05 pm On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver, phone, & CW. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG... It is voice, radiotelegraphy, data, pulse, right off the bat, plus a few others which you have NO idea they existed for EMERGENCIES. Blowcode, you are stuck on HF ham thinking. And you are stuck on Lazy-ass appliance operator thinking. Why don't you head on over to rec.radio.cb, they need help using their appliances and you'll fit right in. SC |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:19:27 GMT, Slow Code spake
thusly: " wrote in roups.com: From: Slow Code on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 11:50 pm " wrote in From: Opus- on Wed, Sep 6 2006 11:05 pm On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver, phone, & CW. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG... It is voice, radiotelegraphy, data, pulse, right off the bat, plus a few others which you have NO idea they existed for EMERGENCIES. Blowcode, you are stuck on HF ham thinking. And you are stuck on Lazy-ass appliance operator thinking. Why don't you head on over to rec.radio.cb, they need help using their appliances and you'll fit right in. ALL radio operators are "appliance operators" as you so idiotically put it. A radio is a radio, no matter who turns the switch on. Does the range in your kitchen stop being a range if Martha Stewart operates it? -- (Jim, single dad to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94) "What, Me Worry?" A. E. Newman Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:50 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
spake thusly: "Appliance Operator" is a term to distinguish from those who are able not only to turn on and operate their equipment, but also understand how it functions and can reproduce the circuitry therein. An appliance operator knows little or nothing about how the equipment they use works, only how to use it (not necessarily in a proper or legal manner). Does this mean that only a fully qualified journeyman auto technician really knows how to drive a car properly? Does an executive chef at a 5 star restaurant need to know Ohms Law in order to cook properly on an electric stovetop? Does he also need to be a petro-chemist to operate a gas range? The notion that only a person who knows the inner workings of a device can operate it properly is downright insulting and worthy of utter contempt. Can you rebuild the transmission in your car in your back yard right now? If not then you are a bad driver, according to the "appliance operator" logic being spewed here. -- (Jim, single dad to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94) "What, Me Worry?" A. E. Newman Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... And you are stuck on Lazy-ass appliance operator thinking. Why don't you head on over to rec.radio.cb, they need help using their appliances and you'll fit right in. ALL radio operators are "appliance operators" as you so idiotically put it. A radio is a radio, no matter who turns the switch on. Does the range in your kitchen stop being a range if Martha Stewart operates it? "Appliance Operator" is a term to distinguish from those who are able not only to turn on and operate their equipment, but also understand how it functions and can reproduce the circuitry therein. An appliance operator knows little or nothing about how the equipment they use works, only how to use it (not necessarily in a proper or legal manner). / Would this include a KB9 station from Michigan? |
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Anonymous wrote:
Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio ... From Webster's: "service - an administrative division of government" In the USA, that means a service TO the citizens BY the government. The service comes from the government, not from the citizens. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio ... From Webster's: "service - an administrative division of government" In the USA, that means a service TO the citizens BY the government. The service comes from the government, not from the citizens. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the word "service" is used as the type and kind of radio being regulated. It is a regulatory term in that context. One can write the FCC and get that information. All too often, amateurs who think too much of themselves try to use "service" as equivalent to some (undefined) "national service" such as being a part of the military or a government position. :-) Part 95 describes Citizens Band Radio SERVICE and the Radio Control Radio SERVICE. :-) |
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***Forgive the top posting***
I was requested to define "Amateur Service" ... what service? "47 CFR 97.3 Definitions: (a) Definitions of terms used in Part 97 a (1) Amateur operator ... redacted (2) Amateur radio Services ... redacted (3) Amateur Satellite Service ... redacted (4) Amateur Service. A radio communication for the purpose of self training, intercommunication and technical investigations carries out by amateurs, that is, duly authorized persons interested in the radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest." Definitions [a][5] through [a][46] and section [b] in it's entirety have been excluded. There are three elements of the amateur service: 1) 'self training' in any and all aspects of electro-magnetic radio telecommunication [notice this is listed first]; 2) 'intercommunication' includes talking, satellite techniques, television techniques [yes, amateurs can design and operate wideband tv], microwave techniques, digital techniques, spread spectrum techniques, CW, AM, SSB, FM, etc.; 3) 'technical investigations' include propagation studies at HF, VHF, UHF and microwave, EME activities, antenna developments, new modulation modes [particularly in digital communications], error correction techniques in digital communication, bandwidth compression techniques, and any number of Physics and Electronic areas of investigation. Amateur [non financially compensated] radio is much more than buying a box and using it to just talk with someone. IMO, it is a service wherein the amateur, a duly authorized person, is committed to self training [education] in some components of the electromagnetic radio communication arts and sciences. "Duly Authorized" requires authorization by competent authority after a demonstration of some related skill or knowledge by the person seeking to be 'duly authorized'. If a demonstrable skill level is NOT required then "Duly Authorized' does not make sense. If you just want to talk, the 11 meter band or the FRS will meet your needs. /s/ DD [AKA Dave] Anonymous wrote: Dave Said: Amateur Radio is a SERVICE!!! If you only think of it as a hobby your thinking is flawed. Hi Dave, I've seen you refer to service vs hobby a number of times in this thread. As a noob here, could you explain this? What do you mean by 'service'? Getting on, talking to others...communicating with others seems more of a hobby to me. Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio that you are referring to....can you define for me 'service' and why amateur radio is a service to you rather than a hobby? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
It's Not a Code, no code problem, it's a generational problem!
In the past week, the articles that seemed to get the most play on ham sites were the Southern Border Volunteers and the lack of brotherhood in ham radio. I was amazed at the responses that were both negative and critical of supporting a group that wanted to protect our borders. I suspect some passengers were probably tsk tsking the only guy in four airplanes with the guts to do something to stop the rag heads on 9/11. How else can you explain rag heads armed ONLY with box cutters were able to control three airplanes? Many of the younger generation find it easier to criticize than take action. Ham radio went to hell when Dick Bash got involved with his published "cheat sheets". This piece is from the prospective of a ham with over 50 years spewing RF throughout the world. At 68 years of age, I look back at my start in ham radio, appearing before a steely eyed FCC examiner in Norfolk Virginia. I missed the distance for a Conditional license by about 11 miles. I had to walk between school and home in the snow, uphill both ways. Do I think that everyone should have to do what I did to become a ham? Nope, I can live with the memorized exams, the no code, etc. Like the parable of the workers in the vineyard, I accept the rules have changed. At no place in the parable does it tell the late arriving workers to ridicule those that worked all day. Just as sure as these words are on your screen, you too will someday be an old fart just like me. As you enter the dotage of your life, health concerns and the condition of your aged friends, becomes more of a concern. We, like you, used to talk about more contemporary subjects. Unlike a number of you, we allowed the older folks to have their conversations without ridicule. It is called respect, and is a two way street. Realize that when I was a newby, I suffered the same as you at the hands of the old farts. They believed that for you to enter their group, you should first show respect and learn to snatch the pebble from their hand. None of you started in your working life as the CEO of the company, yet many of today's generation feel that a newly minted license conveys total knowledge. What you have is a license to learn, take advantage of it and the brotherhood will naturally follow. If we all took the time to show each other respect, and be less quick to judge, not only would ham radio be better, but our lives as well. wrote in message oups.com... Newsflash: ALL radio operators, code or no-code, are "appliance operators" as you colloquially state. A radio is a means to communicate. Knowing code just adds another way to use that radio. Quite true, Opus! Thank you for pointing that out. Let us hope that Blowcode sticks to his ARRL "Archie" comic books while he mimes the "Wizard of Oz's" scarecrow wishing he had a brain. :-( |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Fred Hambrecht wrote:
It's Not a Code, no code problem, it's a generational problem! In the past week, the articles that seemed to get the most play on ham sites were the Southern Border Volunteers and the lack of brotherhood in ham radio. I was amazed at the responses that were both negative and critical of supporting a group that wanted to protect our borders. I suspect some passengers were probably tsk tsking the only guy in four airplanes with the guts to do something to stop the rag heads on 9/11. The hijackers on Flight 93 were stopped by more than one guy. And the people on the other planes did not know the hijackers were on a suicide mission. How else can you explain rag heads armed ONLY with box cutters were able to control three airplanes? Simple: - The hijackers killed one or two people who tried to resist. - Then they said they had a bomb aboard. - They also said that if the passengers did as they were told, nobody else would get hurt. You have to remember that before that terrible morning 5 years ago, suicide-hijacking was unknown. Hijackers took over planes to get ransom, or to get transportation somewhere, or for political reasons. They always had demands and always promised that if their demands were met, nobody would get hurt or killed. And the conventional way of dealing with them was to do what they wanted, get the plane on the ground safely, negotiate, and then go after them on the ground. All that changed on Sept 11, 2001. Look what happened when that shoe-bomb guy tried it. The folks on Flight 93 had two things the people on the other flights did not: 1) They *knew* the rules had changed - they knew what the hijackers were going to do. 2) They had time to formulate a plan and time to implement it. Many of the younger generation find it easier to criticize than take action. Just like their predecessors. Ham radio went to hell when Dick Bash got involved with his published "cheat sheets". Well, I don't know if it "went to hell" but I agree 100% that Bash's "cheat sheets" were a very bad thing for amateur radio. Remember, though, that it was the top folks at FCC who decided not to prosecute Bash. Lower-level FCC officials had evidence against him, and wanted to go after him with criminal charges - but the leadership said no. Those FCC folks who decided to let Bash get away with his "cheat sheets" almost 30 years ago were not young people then. This piece is from the prospective of a ham with over 50 years spewing RF throughout the world. At 68 years of age, I look back at my start in ham radio, appearing before a steely eyed FCC examiner in Norfolk Virginia. I missed the distance for a Conditional license by about 11 miles. I had to walk between school and home in the snow, uphill both ways. HAW! That's a good one! Do I think that everyone should have to do what I did to become a ham? Nope, I can live with the memorized exams, the no code, etc. Like the parable of the workers in the vineyard, I accept the rules have changed. At no place in the parable does it tell the late arriving workers to ridicule those that worked all day. But is it fair that someone who works an hour should get the same pay as someone who works ten hours doing the same thing? Just as sure as these words are on your screen, you too will someday be an old fart just like me. As you enter the dotage of your life, health concerns and the condition of your aged friends, becomes more of a concern. We, like you, used to talk about more contemporary subjects. Unlike a number of you, we allowed the older folks to have their conversations without ridicule. It is called respect, and is a two way street. Realize that when I was a newby, I suffered the same as you at the hands of the old farts. They believed that for you to enter their group, you should first show respect and learn to snatch the pebble from their hand. Well, I'm 52, and next month I will have 39 years as a radio amateur. None of you started in your working life as the CEO of the company, yet many of today's generation feel that a newly minted license conveys total knowledge. What you have is a license to learn, take advantage of it and the brotherhood will naturally follow. If we all took the time to show each other respect, and be less quick to judge, not only would ham radio be better, but our lives as well. That I can agree with! 73 de Jim, N2EY Not an appliance operator. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: "Fred Hambrecht" on Tues, Sep 12 2006 4:55 pm
It's Not a Code, no code problem, it's a generational problem! Why are you younger generation kids so retrograde compared to my, OLDER generation, Freddie? :-) Is your generation's generator turning over? Not much coherent stuff being generated there... In the past week, the articles that seemed to get the most play on ham sites were the Southern Border Volunteers and the lack of brotherhood in ham radio. Oh, wow! South Carolina is in danger of being over-run by Mexicans?!? Losing the "brotherhood?" Have you tried recruiting a "sisterhood?" :-) Freddie, I live in southern California. California borders Mexico. Guess what, that border is only around 3 hours drive from me. :-) Ham radio went to hell when Dick Bash got involved with his published "cheat sheets". Really?!? I thought it "went" when you hams were allowed to use VOICE! :-) Or maybe when SPARK was outlawed? This piece is from the prospective of a ham with over 50 years spewing RF throughout the world. At 68 years of age, I look back at my start in ham radio, appearing before a steely eyed FCC examiner in Norfolk Virginia. I missed the distance for a Conditional license by about 11 miles. I had to walk between school and home in the snow, uphill both ways. You forgot BAREFOOT, Freddie. :-) So, you "spewed RF throughout the world" over 50 years ago? Unidirectional? I started in February 1953, HF beam patterns pointed in many, specific directions...thanks to the United States Army Signal Corps. :-) Just as sure as these words are on your screen, you too will someday be an old fart just like me. Poor baby, born in 1939. Tsk, tsk, tsk. That makes me 6 or 7 years OLDER than you, Freddie. As you enter the dotage of your life, health concerns and the condition of your aged friends, becomes more of a concern. We, like you, used to talk about more contemporary subjects. WTF? Freddie boy, just WHO are you posting to? [see the bottom since you didn't format this for proper quoting and replies] Unlike a number of you, we allowed the older folks to have their conversations without ridicule. It is called respect, and is a two way street. Freddie, you are demanding ONE WAY driving on a two-way street. When did you last take a driving test? :-) Realize that when I was a newby, I suffered the same as you at the hands of the old farts. Poor baby. Snif, snif. They believed that for you to enter their group, you should first show respect and learn to snatch the pebble from their hand. You mean DRINK in their hand, don't you? :-) WHY did "your elders" have PEBBLES in their hand? None of you started in your working life as the CEO of the company, yet many of today's generation feel that a newly minted license conveys total knowledge. What you have is a license to learn, take advantage of it and the brotherhood will naturally follow. Sigh...Freddie, you may be too far gone in your dotage? :-) NOT in THIS group in this Din of Inequity, Freddie. Ain't NO "respect" unless one is a devout morseman worshipping at the Church of St. Hiram. If we all took the time to show each other respect, and be less quick to judge, not only would ham radio be better, but our lives as well. Whoopee, a MAXIM! You ARE in the congregation of the Church of St. Hiram! I am supposed to "respect" you for your 'age?' :-) So, does your quaint little pebble-filled maxim work the OTHER way, Freddie? When are YOU going to show respect for those OLDER than YOU? :-) [watch out, I have lots of 'pebbles'...:-) ] wrote in message roups.com... Newsflash: ALL radio operators, code or no-code, are "appliance operators" as you colloquially state. A radio is a means to communicate. Knowing code just adds another way to use that radio. Quite true, Opus! Thank you for pointing that out. Let us hope that Blowcode sticks to his ARRL "Archie" comic books while he mimes the "Wizard of Oz's" scarecrow wishing he had a brain. :-( Freddie, you replied to MY message. Try, please TRY to understand who you are replying to. It doesn't hurt to use acceptible formatting in Usenet style; makes it a lot easier to follow for others. Good night and good luck, Vaya con Dios, Life Member, Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers, a professional association, 397 thousand members worldwide. |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
My father always told me that when arguing with a jackass, make sure he
isn't doing the same thing. In that vein, this conversation is ended Lennie... wrote in message ups.com... Life Member, Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers, a professional association, 397 thousand members worldwide. |
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Dave Oldridge wrote:
Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. Dave, that sounds very suspicious considering my ground school instructor's 1962 display of a then-old Santa Barbara, CA, half-hour TTY Wx report (then required by Commerce Dept.). SBA (ID of Santa Barbara), like all other weather stations at airports, were required to post their local Wx and airport conditions every half hour. SBA is on the Pacific coast and subject to rapid variations of weather. If weather changes more rapidly than that, weather stations were required to post extra in-between-scheduled-times reports. One day, after having fog entering and leaving SBA often, the operator of the TTY sent: "THE FOG SHE COMES IN THE FOG SHE GOES OUT." :-) The ground school class at VNY was presented with a glassine-protected TTY copy of the Wx message that must have been old at that time (the cheap TTY paper was already turning yellow). Got a good laugh from the class. In 1964 (which is 42 years ago), the weather stations had their own network over leased telephone lines. At least in the 48 contiguous states. Whether or not Alaska was tied in with manual telegraphy (radio or wirelines) I can't confirm...nor do I think it important since I know it was NOT via amateur bands. NOTAMs take many shapes but back 40+ years ago, the FAA handled them and saw to their distribution at airports. Most were press-printed but some current ones were sent by TTY. That was in times before NOAA. |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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ups.com: Dave Oldridge wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. Dave, that sounds very suspicious considering my ground school instructor's 1962 display of a then-old Santa Barbara, CA, half-hour TTY Wx report (then required by Commerce Dept.). SBA (ID of Santa Barbara), like all other weather stations at airports, were required to post their local Wx and airport conditions every half hour. SBA is on the Pacific coast and subject to rapid variations of weather. If weather changes more rapidly than that, weather stations were required to post extra in-between-scheduled-times reports. One day, after having fog entering and leaving SBA often, the operator of the TTY sent: "THE FOG SHE COMES IN THE FOG SHE GOES OUT." :-) The ground school class at VNY was presented with a glassine-protected TTY copy of the Wx message that must have been old at that time (the cheap TTY paper was already turning yellow). Got a good laugh from the class. In 1964 (which is 42 years ago), the weather stations had their own network over leased telephone lines. At least in the 48 contiguous states. Whether or not Alaska was tied in with manual telegraphy (radio or wirelines) I can't confirm...nor do I think it important since I know it was NOT via amateur bands. NOTAMs take many shapes but back 40+ years ago, the FAA handled them and saw to their distribution at airports. Most were press-printed but some current ones were sent by TTY. That was in times before NOAA. Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest in peace over CW. SC |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Dave Oldridge wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 PADK? |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
wrote: Dave Oldridge wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. Dave, that sounds very suspicious considering my ground school instructor's 1962 display of a then-old Santa Barbara, CA, half-hour TTY Wx report (then required by Commerce Dept.). SBA (ID of Santa Barbara), like all other weather stations at airports, were required to post their local Wx and airport conditions every half hour. SBA is on the Pacific coast and subject to rapid variations of weather. If weather changes more rapidly than that, weather stations were required to post extra in-between-scheduled-times reports. KSBD = Norton AFB They had RC-135's, wx recon. Continuous Weather Watch would post an hourly observation, and intermediate observations as various parameters crossed their thresholds, usually an ALSTG local when conditions were stable. Basic Weather Watch would examine the elements every 20 minutes and post intermediate observations as various parameters crossed their thresholds. One day, after having fog entering and leaving SBA often, the operator of the TTY sent: "THE FOG SHE COMES IN THE FOG SHE GOES OUT." :-) The ground school class at VNY was presented with a glassine-protected TTY copy of the Wx message that must have been old at that time (the cheap TTY paper was already turning yellow). Got a good laugh from the class. THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY DOGS BACK RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY In 1964 (which is 42 years ago), the weather stations had their own network over leased telephone lines. At least in the 48 contiguous states. Whether or not Alaska was tied in with manual telegraphy (radio or wirelines) I can't confirm...nor do I think it important since I know it was NOT via amateur bands. TTY NOTAMs take many shapes but back 40+ years ago, the FAA handled them and saw to their distribution at airports. Most were press-printed but some current ones were sent by TTY. That was in times before NOAA. NOTAMS travelled the wx TTY circuits in the Air Force and the Army. We ripped them off and handed them to BASOPS. They posted them in the flight planning rooms. |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Slow Code wrote: Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest in peace over CW. SC Slow, thats IMPOSSIBLE! If you use CW then how can Len die? |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW"on Ham Bands?
an old friend wrote:
indeed I am certain that all that is keeping some of these hams alive is code thus I am expecting a sudden die off when the R&O come out The R&O may come after global warming has already killed most of us off. Here's what Al Gore had to say quoting from The DrudgeReport: Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore warned: "Cigarette smoking is a significant contributor to global warming!" -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
From: on Fri, Sep 29 2006 9:00 pm
Slow Code wrote: Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest in peace over CW. Slow, thats IMPOSSIBLE! If you use CW then how can Len die? Blowcode can, in his small mind's imagination, do all sorts of things. Here's a "plain and simple fact" of possible probables in case of anyone ACTUALLY dying or needing help: 1. By telephone, wired or cell: Dial 911, the universal, manned 24/7 emergency number. In turn, the 911 operator will communicate with the appropriate agency by wire or radio (there are 3 basic radio bands for public safety radio services in the USA, one more coming). There is one cell phone for every three citizens in the USA. Speed as fast as a 911 conversation. 2. By - gasp - Citizens Band Radio Service transceivers in urban areas. CB radio users out-number amateurs by 4 to 5 to one. Considering that some radio amateurs have to work for a living and are not AT their ham radios but highway truckers are both working and with their CBs, the virtual ratio is probably double 5:1. Probability of return to first communication about help is high considering that many CB transceivers have guard receivers always tuned to the emergency channel. Speed of that is variable, may take three times longer than a conversation with a 911 operator. 3. If flying there are two basic ways to indicate help. Overland airways routes will have ATCRBS running and a transponder "77" prefix code will generate a flag on the ATC beacon display. On civil airways, 121.5 MHz is the international universal emergency frequency (243 MHz for military radio). Speed of either is a bit longer than with 911 operator calling but quite fast. 4. On the water, in inland waterways and harbors, there is a VHF FM channel for emergencies but common in-use frequencies would get attention for real calls for help. GMDSS is available on ships over deep water as well as an HF radio voice channel for international maritime distress calls. Since maritmers are noted for adherence to SOLAS (Safety Of Life At Sea), the response would be fast. 5. On land, lacking cell coverage (rare now) but on or near highways, there is high probability that any motorist or trucker would have a CB or possibly a business vehicle with a business radio would be passing (PLMRS vehicular radios are quite common with small and large businesses). Any passing public safety agency vehicle would have a radio transceiver capable of directly contacting appropriate help. Farmers are increasing their use of private radios and might be nearby. FRS and GMRS HTs are also becoming more common for both private and business use. Speed of help calling would be variable depending on location, nearby vehicular traffic. 6. Lacking any of the above, one might look for a non-TV or non-CB antenna on a house...high probability of that belonging to a radio amateur. [such a search could take many hours, though] If the date and time corresponded to a ham contest time, the ham might not respond quickly. Even if the ham responded and began calling, there is no assurance that anyone would hear or pay attention to some emergency plea; that would violate the normal conversation that goes on in ham bands and cause much on-air disputes, further clogging calls for help. Speed of help calling is variable, anything from several minutes to many hours. Not that it matters since the victim already died after trying to get through all the ragchewing, self-styled radio police, and general cat-calling by other amateurs. 7. Blow Code is of NO help since he is not verified as a valid (or invalid) licensed radio amateur. |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
wrote: From: on Fri, Sep 29 2006 9:00 pm 6. Lacking any of the above, one might look for a non-TV or non-CB antenna on a house...high probability of that belonging to a radio amateur. [such a search could take many hours, though] If the date and time corresponded to a ham contest time, the ham might not respond quickly. Even if the ham responded and began calling, there is no assurance that anyone would hear or pay attention to some emergency plea; that would violate the normal conversation that goes on in ham bands and cause much on-air disputes, further clogging calls for help. Speed of help calling is variable, anything from several minutes to many hours. Not that it matters since the victim already died after trying to get through all the ragchewing, self-styled radio police, and general cat-calling by other amateurs. or you if you had to you could send ing sos or oso the later seems likely to get you aid the fastest from the CW they will df you fast to come and castise you for it and likely then well at least rennder first aid as they take you to task for daring to misspell sos |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
wrote: From: on Fri, Sep 29 2006 9:00 pm Slow Code wrote: Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest in peace over CW. Slow, thats IMPOSSIBLE! If you use CW then how can Len die? Blowcode can, in his small mind's imagination, do all sorts of things. Here's a "plain and simple fact" of possible probables in case of anyone ACTUALLY dying or needing help: 1. By telephone, wired or cell: Dial 911, the universal, manned 24/7 emergency number. In turn, the 911 operator will communicate with the appropriate agency by wire or radio (there are 3 basic radio bands for public safety radio services in the USA, one more coming). There is one cell phone for every three citizens in the USA. Speed as fast as a 911 conversation. Correction... that's "9 -dash- 1 -dash- 1." Robesin says so. 2. By - gasp - Citizens Band Radio Service transceivers in urban areas. CB radio users out-number amateurs by 4 to 5 to one. Considering that some radio amateurs have to work for a living and are not AT their ham radios but highway truckers are both working and with their CBs, the virtual ratio is probably double 5:1. Probability of return to first communication about help is high considering that many CB transceivers have guard receivers always tuned to the emergency channel. Speed of that is variable, may take three times longer than a conversation with a 911 operator. 3. If flying there are two basic ways to indicate help. Overland airways routes will have ATCRBS running and a transponder "77" prefix code will generate a flag on the ATC beacon display. On civil airways, 121.5 MHz is the international universal emergency frequency (243 MHz for military radio). Speed of either is a bit longer than with 911 operator calling but quite fast. 4. On the water, in inland waterways and harbors, there is a VHF FM channel for emergencies but common in-use frequencies would get attention for real calls for help. GMDSS is available on ships over deep water as well as an HF radio voice channel for international maritime distress calls. Since maritmers are noted for adherence to SOLAS (Safety Of Life At Sea), the response would be fast. 5. On land, lacking cell coverage (rare now) but on or near highways, there is high probability that any motorist or trucker would have a CB or possibly a business vehicle with a business radio would be passing (PLMRS vehicular radios are quite common with small and large businesses). Any passing public safety agency vehicle would have a radio transceiver capable of directly contacting appropriate help. Farmers are increasing their use of private radios and might be nearby. FRS and GMRS HTs are also becoming more common for both private and business use. Speed of help calling would be variable depending on location, nearby vehicular traffic. 6. Lacking any of the above, one might look for a non-TV or non-CB antenna on a house...high probability of that belonging to a radio amateur. [such a search could take many hours, though] If the date and time corresponded to a ham contest time, the ham might not respond quickly. Even if the ham responded and began calling, there is no assurance that anyone would hear or pay attention to some emergency plea; that would violate the normal conversation that goes on in ham bands and cause much on-air disputes, further clogging calls for help. Speed of help calling is variable, anything from several minutes to many hours. Not that it matters since the victim already died after trying to get through all the ragchewing, self-styled radio police, and general cat-calling by other amateurs. 7. Blow Code is of NO help since he is not verified as a valid (or invalid) licensed radio amateur. |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:46:41 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 : " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. on Hand bam? http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ Yep...on 80m. It was the only communications he had at the time. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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ups.com: Dave Oldridge wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. Dave, that sounds very suspicious considering my ground school instructor's 1962 display of a then-old Santa Barbara, CA, half-hour TTY Wx report (then required by Commerce Dept.). SBA (ID of Santa Barbara), like all other weather stations at airports, were required to post their local Wx and airport conditions every half hour. SBA is on the Pacific coast and subject to rapid variations of weather. If weather changes more rapidly than that, weather stations were required to post extra in-between-scheduled-times reports. One day, after having fog entering and leaving SBA often, the operator of the TTY sent: "THE FOG SHE COMES IN THE FOG SHE GOES OUT." :-) The ground school class at VNY was presented with a glassine-protected TTY copy of the Wx message that must have been old at that time (the cheap TTY paper was already turning yellow). Got a good laugh from the class. This was NOT weather. This was seismic. The runway was rising in spurts sometimes as much as 3 feet in an hour. And, in that era all the comms were microwave and had been knocked out by the big quake. 80m was all he had. In 1964 (which is 42 years ago), the weather stations had their own network over leased telephone lines. At least in the 48 contiguous states. Whether or not Alaska was tied in with manual telegraphy (radio or wirelines) I can't confirm...nor do I think it important since I know it was NOT via amateur bands. At that time Alaska was tied into the networks by microwave. When the quake shifted towers, we lost it all. NOTAMs take many shapes but back 40+ years ago, the FAA handled them and saw to their distribution at airports. Most were press-printed but some current ones were sent by TTY. That was in times before NOAA. Yes, I know. I was working at Kimberly Aeradio in BC at the time of the quake. It was violent enough to leave a small mark on my barograph, even at that distance. The guys in Edmonton lost all circuits to Alaska and in short order we knew that we had a HUGE communications emergency on our hands (not to mention a real disaster). At least I was in a position to put the information on the proper teletype circuits addressed to the proper authorities. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Slow Code wrote: wrote in ups.com: Slow Code wrote: Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest in peace over CW. SC Slow, thats IMPOSSIBLE! If you use CW then how can Len die? Lenny's life was saved. The shock he got at being told he'd been saved by CW resulted in him having a heart attack, and that killed him. SC Count me dead, too. I never would have believed it. |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Slow Code wrote: Lenny's life was saved. The shock he got at being told he'd been saved by CW resulted in him having a heart attack, and that killed him. Contrary to Blow Code's fantasies, "the reports of my demise have been exaggerated." [more or less a quote of Samuel Clemens] I've never had a heart attack, have never died. Now quit imaginging things that haven't happened. If you keep on, the new moderating team may make you sit in the corner. |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Dave Oldridge wrote: wrote in : On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:46:41 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 : " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. on Hand bam? http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ Yep...on 80m. It was the only communications he had at the time. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 I've been thinking about this. I've taken classes in land surveying and used to shoot levels at the COE. Other than the earth shaking, how did he determine what the correct elevation was? |
So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
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So, Which reader has actually saved a life or lives using "CW" on Ham Bands?
Dave Oldridge wrote: " wrote in ups.com: Dave Oldridge wrote: Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: " wrote in oups.com: Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings. Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors in 1912... Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper teletype circuits for him. His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were inaccurate. Dave, that sounds very suspicious considering my ground school instructor's 1962 display of a then-old Santa Barbara, CA, half-hour TTY Wx report (then required by Commerce Dept.). SBA (ID of Santa Barbara), like all other weather stations at airports, were required to post their local Wx and airport conditions every half hour. SBA is on the Pacific coast and subject to rapid variations of weather. If weather changes more rapidly than that, weather stations were required to post extra in-between-scheduled-times reports. One day, after having fog entering and leaving SBA often, the operator of the TTY sent: "THE FOG SHE COMES IN THE FOG SHE GOES OUT." :-) The ground school class at VNY was presented with a glassine-protected TTY copy of the Wx message that must have been old at that time (the cheap TTY paper was already turning yellow). Got a good laugh from the class. This was NOT weather. This was seismic. Other geologic events are passed via WX circuits besides earthquakes. For example, ash plumes as detected by wx satellie observations. NOTAMS are in the WX circuits. The runway was rising in spurts sometimes as much as 3 feet in an hour. And, in that era all the comms were microwave and had been knocked out by the big quake. 80m was all he had. Fair enough. In 1964 (which is 42 years ago), the weather stations had their own network over leased telephone lines. At least in the 48 contiguous states. Whether or not Alaska was tied in with manual telegraphy (radio or wirelines) I can't confirm...nor do I think it important since I know it was NOT via amateur bands. At that time Alaska was tied into the networks by microwave. When the quake shifted towers, we lost it all. NOTAMs take many shapes but back 40+ years ago, the FAA handled them and saw to their distribution at airports. Most were press-printed but some current ones were sent by TTY. That was in times before NOAA. Yes, I know. I was working at Kimberly Aeradio in BC at the time of the quake. It was violent enough to leave a small mark on my barograph, even at that distance. The guys in Edmonton lost all circuits to Alaska and in short order we knew that we had a HUGE communications emergency on our hands (not to mention a real disaster). At least I was in a position to put the information on the proper teletype circuits addressed to the proper authorities. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
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