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Fred Hambrecht wrote: We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... Mr Congenialty has spoken. |
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From: Fred Hambrecht on Sat, Sep 2 2006 1:52 pm
We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... "an old friend" wrote in message Slow Code wrote: wrote in : You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn them. funy how for all you claim to be better than I and better than those that agree with me on code tesing Our view is going to prevail trolling right along Go for it, Congenial Fred, show 'em who's boss in da ham hood! :-) Ya know, US amateur radio is supposed to be about good fellowship and all that warm and fuzzy stuff. Poor Fred long since ran out of warmth and his mind is fuzzy...tsk. What are YOU "better at," Congenial Fred? Morse code? I'm sure you are a whiz at that. Anything else except getting a bad score on the range after shooting off your mouth? I'll bet not. Wow (yawn) 50 years a ham (and still not cured). I've been a professional in radio longer than that. Fascinating stuff that radio and electronics technology. Morse code isn't technology per se...it was being done over 40 years before the first radio-as-a-communications-medium was demonstrated in 1896. But you "are better" than non-morsemen because you passed a NON-TECHNICAL, NON-INTELLECTUAL manual morse code test...as an AMATEUR. [big Ben Stein "wowwww" here] "Welfare license?" Just because there's no manual morse code test for Technician class? Oh, my, but the FCC does NOT say anything about "welfare licenses." That's only your own BIGOTRY vomited up. Almost half of all US amateur radio licenses are now in the Technician Class. Are you deliberately trying to alienate half of all ham licensees? Well, Congenial Fred, you are doing real good on that alienation part. Have fun on "the bands," Fred, there's plenty of your kind there, the bigoted morsemen, the self-proclaimed gods of AMATEUR radio trying to be "leaders" in da ham 'hood. Fred, support stem cell research. You've lost too many neurons required for good fellowship...maybe some stem cells can help restore them. |
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Fred Hambrecht wrote: We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... Mr Congenialty has spoken. Brian, sudden realization! We may have found the illegitimate biological father of Stebie Robeson! Same ego, same "better than you" bad attitude, same lack of good fellowship, same 9-year-old's sass, same-o same-o! Incredible! Then again he may be a cousin to that anony-mousie "Slow Code." Lots of inbreeding going on in the morsemen ranks. I wonder where Jimmy Noserve is hiding? Fred said "shut up!" Jimmy would have a hissy fit if'n he saw that...:-) |
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ups.com: Slow Code wrote: wrote in : You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn them. funy how for all you claim to be better than I and better than those that agree with me on code tesing Our view is going to prevail Right, **** rolls down hill. SC |
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Fred Hambrecht wrote: I extend fellowship to REAL hams, you no code idiots are not hams, bull**** |
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Fred Hambrecht wrote: I extend fellowship to REAL hams, you no code idiots are not hams, bull**** |
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If you read beyond that line, you would have seen I was fulfilling the
expectations of the no code troll... "an old friend" wrote in message ps.com... Fred Hambrecht wrote: I extend fellowship to REAL hams, you no code idiots are not hams, bull**** |
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Fred Hambrecht wrote: If you read beyond that line, you would have seen I was fulfilling the expectations of the no code troll... you were the stand procode jerk you mean |
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Fred HaFrom: Fred Hambrecht on Sat, Sep 2 2006 6:02 pm I extend fellowship to REAL hams, you no code idiots are not hams, simply CBers that have the ability to read at a third grade level. Tsk, tsk, Fred. Had you been able to read RRAP before, you'd know I have no amateur license, only a commercial one. :-) So, you think that US amateur radio is defined ONLY by morsemanship? Of course you do. You are unable to cope with any other definition. The FCC doesn't think so, Congenial Fred. Only you and the rabid olde-tyme morsemen think so. Everyone serves a purpose, even if only as a bad example... You fill that bill to a "T" Congenial Fred. :-) No code, non showering, non intellectial, whiners holding welfare licenses meet that criteria to a "T". "Non showering?" :-) Shirley, you can think of some metaphor better than that! :-) "Non intellectial?" Oh, you mean 'non intellectual." Tsk, tsk, Congenial Fred, if you wish to appear 'intellectual' you really ought to learn to spell correctly... :-) "Whiners?" Poor congenial Fred, can't understand that there are several valid reasons being held by the majority AGAINST morse code testing. You want to impose YOUR imperial will on the majority... Tsk, tsk, not a nice democratic principle idea. "Welfare licenses?" I got my First 'Phone in 1956, one test session at the Chicago Field Office of the FCC. Had to pay my own way in on the train. No snow, ground was level, and I kept my shoes on the whole time. Guess that isn't near as good as all them olde-tymers in the ham boonies, huh? :-) Now that you have been responded to in the manner you accuse all code able hams of, you may cease your trolling... Fred, you've shown yourself to be a first class morse BIGOT, one with a totally closed mind who lives in the past. But, that's not unusual among some of you kids (your birth year is 1939 but mine is earlier). After you hit the magic 65-year mark you go all shirty and start whining yourself about how "tough" YOU had it and how "loyal and principled" you are and how the "younger generation is no damn good" because they don't like YOUR ideals of a long-ago youth. I know, I've seen it hundreds of times...and am damn glad I never succumbed to such mental sickness. :-) Oh, and I do NOT "accuse all code able hams" of anything, only YOU, Fred Hambrecht, and all the other morsemen bigots who trash-mouth everyone who doesn't care for morsemanship. I don't "troll," congenial Fred, I CATCH. I've presented my views before the FCC clearly, logically, with facts researched and noted. Many times. I don't sing praises about morse code or testing for the simple reason that there's no praise for either. I don't really give a flip one way or another if you ever know code, I just wish the bunch of you would stop playing "pity me" and lamenting the fact you do not have a no code Jesse Jackson type to take up your cause. Tsk, are you a racial bigot ALSO? I'm not black, congenial Fred, don't fake any religious titles nor academic titles nor the usual bragging bull**** common to so many amateurs. I've been on this planet longer than you have and made my own way without asking for welfare. Up yours and enjoy your food stamps. Well, maybe no "Jesse Jackson" but you pro-code-test mavens DO have the Church of St. Hiram on your side plus all the Brother Believers in Newington alla time singing the praises of "cee-double-yew" that all good maxim-fearers must follow. To the letter. To a "T." You have a license, enjoy it and if you don't care to learn the code, someday you won't have to. I have a license, Freddie baby, but it NEVER had any requirement to learn morsemanship skills. I've had other FCC licenses, Freddie, and those didn't have any need to learn code. Of course those were all commercial-professional, not the mighty amateur kind (which you no doubt consider much, much more valuable). Freddie booby, 53 1/2 years ago the US Army had me and several others starting to operate HF transmitters of higher output power than was ever allowed to amateurs. NO license test needed. NO morsemanship skills needed...NO morse code modes were used to keep dozens of circuits open 24/7. I didn't have to know or learn morsemanship over a half century ago and haven't needed it in all the time up to now. You come along like some adolescent male and talk trash to me and other no-code-test advocates and say I "must?" Oh, my, you must think your morsemanship skills are super-macho with superpowers! In the mean time shut up with the whining and get on with life. Shut your own, bigot Freddie. You get NO breaks acting like a morseman bigot. Bigots don't deserve any civility. "My life" is going on just dandy without you, Freddie. Try to stay out of it. Intrude on it and you get stepped on. The license is only worth the investment you have in it, no effort - no value! Oh, wow, trotting out the "moral paragon" ploy are you? :-) Sounds like you are getting ready to enter the seminary at the blessed Church of St. Hiram! If you spent half the time learning as you do bitching you would be at 40 WPM. One "learns" a psycho-motor skill? :-) It is DEVELOPED, Freddie boy, isn't one damn thing "intellectual" about it. Pressing the government for a change in certain laws, such as the regulations concerning amateur radio licensing, isn't "bitching," colonial Fred. It is simply a democratic process to change archaic laws and regulations that have no use today. But, you fear change. Such might detract from your mighty self-image of an amateur morseman, god of radio, and ruler of the ham-ways. :-) Or is it that you want to CONTROL others, have them do as YOU command and to hell with democratic principles of law? Clarify that for us, Freddie, you seem to be swinging both ways. Freddie, there is zero-point-zero interest in "learning" any psycho's motor skill in this new millennium. It isn't used for communications in any other radio service under USA regulations and won't be...except in the time-retarded imaginations of some US radio amateurs who dream of ever- lasting glory of the beeperman. There is one helluvalot MORE INTERESTING, INTELLECTUAL things to do in learning the theory behind the front panel. Don't speak blithering drivel about "beauty and majesty" of monotonic on-off tones while caressing your vibroplex...the only "theory" there is turning something on and turning something off. You can do that with a buzzer if it turns you on so strong. You want to do 40 words per minute using morse? Fine. Go for it. I've been doing ONE HUNDRED TIMES that with data and that's at a slow speed. The world's comms aren't about manual telegraphy, Freddie, that's a long-past time that began before you and I were born. It is OLD stuff. Now you go right ahead and enjoy your "ARS" (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society). I'm sure you feel all authoritative with your federal AMATEUR license and all. Tell everyone you are "federally authorized." Invite your friend and neighbors in to view your mighty license certificates (suitable for framing). Feel proud for you are a MORSEMAN! [god of radio, ruler of the ham-ways, etc., etc., etc.] Beep, beep |
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wrote: From: on Sat, Sep 2 2006 3:43 pm Fred Hambrecht wrote: We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... Mr Congenialty has spoken. Brian, sudden realization! We may have found the illegitimate biological father of Stebie Robeson! Same ego, same "better than you" bad attitude, same lack of good fellowship, same 9-year-old's sass, same-o same-o! Incredible! Then again he may be a cousin to that anony-mousie "Slow Code." Lots of inbreeding going on in the morsemen ranks. The family tree has few branches. I wonder where Jimmy Noserve is hiding? Fred said "shut up!" Jimmy would have a hissy fit if'n he saw that...:-) I wonder where robesin is hiding? Fred said "ass..." Welp, if Fred had a tour in Ohio as an Army recruiter back in the 70s... |
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Fred Hambrecht wrote: If you read beyond that line, you would have seen I was fulfilling the expectations of the no code troll... Mr Benevolent Congeniality, while it may be your desire to fulfill the wishes ot the no-code troll, there are just too many trolls on RRAP. I you go around and start fufilling the expectations of all trolls, this newsgroup will end up being trashed and unreadable. Do you want that on your conscience? |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: Fred Hambrecht wrote: We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... Mr Congenialty has spoken. (snare-drum rim shot....) N0IMD has spoken. Steve, K4YZ ("in the navy" playing) The War Hero has spoken/ |
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Wah! Wah! Wah! Boo fricken Hoo... the mean old coder is picking on me... Get
a life! Anyone that can get that emotional over not getting their way has more issues than not being able to copy code. You may want to consult a mental health worker... "an old friend" wrote in message ups.com... Fred Hambrecht wrote: If you read beyond that line, you would have seen I was fulfilling the expectations of the no code troll... you were the stand procode jerk you mean |
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wrote: From: on Sat, Sep 2 2006 3:43 pm Fred Hambrecht wrote: We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... Mr Congenialty has spoken. Brian, sudden realization! We may have found the illegitimate biological father of Stebie Robeson! Same ego, same "better than you" bad attitude, same lack of good fellowship, same 9-year-old's sass, same-o same-o! Incredible! Then again he may be a cousin to that anony-mousie "Slow Code." Lots of inbreeding going on in the morsemen ranks. The family tree has few branches. The roots are dead, petrified (of change). I wonder where Jimmy Noserve is hiding? Fred said "shut up!" Jimmy would have a hissy fit if'n he saw that...:-) I wonder where robesin is hiding? Fred said "ass..." Jimmie Noserve showed up with his bimonthly Numbers (his period on?)...still trying to "prove" that Technician class licensees aren't really no-coders. :-) Robeson showed up wondering who "Robesin" is...only proving that the poor guy can't realize it is himself. He always was illiterate in regards to alliteration. Welp, if Fred had a tour in Ohio as an Army recruiter back in the 70s... Ya know, that always bothered me. Why would an ex-NAVY person be "recruiting for the ARMY"? [explanation for the trash-mouth newcomers: Robesin once claimed - in here - that was what his late father did, but didn't say when or exactly where] The Army has always used active-duty Army NCOs for such tasks since before 1973 (the ending of the "Draft"). Strange LIE by Robeson, must have been done at time of some bad goods he swiped out of the Sharps box. A "Sharps box" is colloquial term for a plastic container (usually wall mounted) for biological waste in medical facilities, sometimes referred to as just a "Sharps." Made by B. D. Sharps company and not affiliated with the dullness of the pro-coders. They can be seen in most doctors' offices and hospitals all over the country. Robesin is going to come back and say "it's not nice to talk about medical things" as if he is some kind of code caduceus bearing "judge" of medicine. :-) He is a nurse (probably using a wastebasket-salvaged 1983 edition "Physician's Desk Reference" as his medical terminology guide). If he REALLY wanted some REAL rank, he could devote the next 9 years of his life to add MD after his name and honestly say he "saves lives." Tsk, he can't save his own life from the disease of impersonation. May a colony of helicobacter pylori set up housekeeping in his duodenum! :-) [he can share that with papa Fred] Freddie baby is prolly setting up a spittle session in here bitching and bad-mouthing anyone who doesn't want to relive times past a half-century ago when Kode was King. We'll see what his kind of foaming-at-the-mouth trash talk against "no- coders" will be. :-) |
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wrote: From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 6:17 am wrote: From: on Sat, Sep 2 2006 3:43 pm Then again he may be a cousin to that anony-mousie "Slow Code." Lots of inbreeding going on in the morsemen ranks. The family tree has few branches. The roots are dead, petrified (of change). " whn the family becomes a family bush you can't can't hide as much under it" Regent to the Centari Reblic B5 JMS I wonder where Jimmy Noserve is hiding? Fred said "shut up!" Jimmy would have a hissy fit if'n he saw that...:-) I wonder where robesin is hiding? Fred said "ass..." Jimmie Noserve showed up with his bimonthly Numbers (his period on?)...still trying to "prove" that Technician class licensees aren't really no-coders. :-) interest that he still does that of course he still goes on when he does post about being robbed in "incentive licensing" back roughly 50 years there was the real mistake and all the result of the ARRL's power being misused, everything since has been trying to clean up the mess that caused Tell before that point what was the Code test speed reqrired for the General License? some where I recall it being 5 wpm Robeson showed up wondering who "Robesin" is...only proving that the poor guy can't realize it is himself. He always was illiterate in regards to alliteration. nah he was trying to PRETED he does not know Deny Robeson what you will he does that well (and vilely) Welp, if Fred had a tour in Ohio as an Army recruiter back in the 70s... Ya know, that always bothered me. Why would an ex-NAVY person be "recruiting for the ARMY"? [explanation for the trash-mouth newcomers: Robesin once claimed - in here - that was what his late father did, but didn't say when or exactly where] The Army has always used active-duty Army NCOs for such tasks since before 1973 (the ending of the "Draft"). Strange LIE by Robeson, must have been done at time of some bad goods he swiped out of the Sharps box. Indeed I comented on that last year said th Bio Steve wrote for his old looked like a lie that produced another of his aleged lawsuits that was going to filed against me A "Sharps box" is colloquial term for a plastic container (usually wall mounted) for biological waste in medical facilities, sometimes referred to as just a "Sharps." Made by B. D. Sharps company and not affiliated with the dullness of the pro-coders. They can be seen in most doctors' offices and hospitals all over the country. Robesin is going to come back and say "it's not nice to talk about medical things" as if he is some kind of code caduceus bearing "judge" of medicine. :-) He is a nurse (probably using a wastebasket-salvaged 1983 edition "Physician's Desk Reference" as his medical terminology guide). If he REALLY wanted some REAL rank, he could devote the next 9 years of his life to add MD after his name and honestly say he "saves lives." Tsk, he can't save his own life from the disease of impersonation. May a colony of helicobacter pylori set up housekeeping in his duodenum! :-) [he can share that with papa Fred] I don't think Robeson could cut it leaving ot the issue of could Robeson do the courework (I am not surre I could) he could never survive the process with his temper he'd blow somewhere and likely kill some one (either by ****ing up or flat out murder) he dropped out of Nursing school by his own admission (maybe he was asked to leave who knows) Freddie baby is prolly setting up a spittle session in here bitching and bad-mouthing anyone who doesn't want to relive times past a half-century ago when Kode was King. We'll see what his kind of foaming-at-the-mouth trash talk against "no- coders" will be. :-) yep unless the FCC grants us the mercy of the R&O first |
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an old friend wrote:
wrote: From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 6:17 am wrote: From: on Sat, Sep 2 2006 3:43 pm Then again he may be a cousin to that anony-mousie "Slow Code." Lots of inbreeding going on in the morsemen ranks. The family tree has few branches. The roots are dead, petrified (of change). " whn the family becomes a family bush you can't can't hide as much under it" Regent to the Centari Reblic B5 JMS Ah! Another fan! [too bad that B5 got cancelled...] I wonder where Jimmy Noserve is hiding? Fred said "shut up!" Jimmy would have a hissy fit if'n he saw that...:-) I wonder where robesin is hiding? Fred said "ass..." Jimmie Noserve showed up with his bimonthly Numbers (his period on?)...still trying to "prove" that Technician class licensees aren't really no-coders. :-) interest that he still does that of course he still goes on when he does post about being robbed in "incentive licensing" back roughly 50 years there was the real mistake and all the result of the ARRL's power being misused, everything since has been trying to clean up the mess that caused Jimmie Noserve got hopeless when he tried to be some kind of "informed insider" into the aerospace business here and his attempts to "correct" REAL military veterans. He also tried to foist off his old "$100 rig" as his own design but it was really a near-copy of the "HBR" series that began in QST years ago. Jimmie made the mistake of posting on that (relatively new website) showing his HBR version, the very same photos he had in a link posted here when he claimed it was all "original." :-) Tell before that point what was the Code test speed reqrired for the General License? some where I recall it being 5 wpm Robeson showed up wondering who "Robesin" is...only proving that the poor guy can't realize it is himself. He always was illiterate in regards to alliteration. nah he was trying to PRETED he does not know Deny Robeson what you will he does that well (and vilely) Well, Robesin IS a PRETENDER to be sure... :-) Welp, if Fred had a tour in Ohio as an Army recruiter back in the 70s... Ya know, that always bothered me. Why would an ex-NAVY person be "recruiting for the ARMY"? [explanation for the trash-mouth newcomers: Robesin once claimed - in here - that was what his late father did, but didn't say when or exactly where] The Army has always used active-duty Army NCOs for such tasks since before 1973 (the ending of the "Draft"). Strange LIE by Robeson, must have been done at time of some bad goods he swiped out of the Sharps box. Indeed I comented on that last year said th Bio Steve wrote for his old looked like a lie that produced another of his aleged lawsuits that was going to filed against me If he keeps up all those civil suit theats he may have to open a clothing store... A "Sharps box" is colloquial term for a plastic container (usually wall mounted) for biological waste in medical facilities, sometimes referred to as just a "Sharps." Made by B. D. Sharps company and not affiliated with the dullness of the pro-coders. They can be seen in most doctors' offices and hospitals all over the country. Robesin is going to come back and say "it's not nice to talk about medical things" as if he is some kind of code caduceus bearing "judge" of medicine. :-) He is a nurse (probably using a wastebasket-salvaged 1983 edition "Physician's Desk Reference" as his medical terminology guide). If he REALLY wanted some REAL rank, he could devote the next 9 years of his life to add MD after his name and honestly say he "saves lives." Tsk, he can't save his own life from the disease of impersonation. May a colony of helicobacter pylori set up housekeeping in his duodenum! :-) [he can share that with papa Fred] I don't think Robeson could cut it leaving ot the issue of could Robeson do the courework (I am not surre I could) he could never survive the process with his temper he'd blow somewhere and likely kill some one (either by ****ing up or flat out murder) he dropped out of Nursing school by his own admission (maybe he was asked to leave who knows) Robesin has so MANY variations on his "experiences" that it isn't worthwhile trying to keep up... :-) Freddie baby is prolly setting up a spittle session in here bitching and bad-mouthing anyone who doesn't want to relive times past a half-century ago when Kode was King. We'll see what his kind of foaming-at-the-mouth trash talk against "no- coders" will be. :-) yep unless the FCC grants us the mercy of the R&O first Tsk, that won't stop the "investment" olde-tymers...they will be bad-mouthing no-code-test-advocates until their code keys are pried from cold, dead fingers. |
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wrote: On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:03:55 -0400, "Fred Hambrecht" wrote: Wah! Wah! Wah! Boo fricken Hoo... the mean old coder is picking on me... Get a life! Anyone that can get that emotional over not getting their way has more issues than not being able to copy code. not geting emotional just calling a jerk a jerk Congenial Freddie got rather emotional there... :-) You may want to consult a mental health worker... why? to help dianose your problem? Freddie wouldn't go... :-) |
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wrote: wrote: On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:03:55 -0400, "Fred Hambrecht" wrote: Wah! Wah! Wah! Boo fricken Hoo... the mean old coder is picking on me... Get a life! Anyone that can get that emotional over not getting their way has more issues than not being able to copy code. not geting emotional just calling a jerk a jerk Congenial Freddie got rather emotional there... :-) indeed and who is getting there way You may want to consult a mental health worker... why? to help dianose your problem? Freddie wouldn't go... :-) yep would never go and only be draged there kick and beeping |
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wrote: From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 6:17 am wrote: From: on Sat, Sep 2 2006 3:43 pm Fred Hambrecht wrote: We are better than you! Was there ever any doubt? If you can't learn code you are not only stupid but lazy as well! You have a welfare license, shut up and enjoy what was given to your whining ass... Mr Congenialty has spoken. Brian, sudden realization! We may have found the illegitimate biological father of Stebie Robeson! Same ego, same "better than you" bad attitude, same lack of good fellowship, same 9-year-old's sass, same-o same-o! Incredible! Then again he may be a cousin to that anony-mousie "Slow Code." Lots of inbreeding going on in the morsemen ranks. The family tree has few branches. The roots are dead, petrified (of change). Girdled. I wonder where Jimmy Noserve is hiding? Fred said "shut up!" Jimmy would have a hissy fit if'n he saw that...:-) I wonder where robesin is hiding? Fred said "ass..." Jimmie Noserve showed up with his bimonthly Numbers (his period on?)...still trying to "prove" that Technician class licensees aren't really no-coders. :-) Wow. Why would he think that? Robeson showed up wondering who "Robesin" is...only proving that the poor guy can't realize it is himself. He always was illiterate in regards to alliteration. He lacks self-realization and self-actualization. Welp, if Fred had a tour in Ohio as an Army recruiter back in the 70s... Ya know, that always bothered me. Why would an ex-NAVY person be "recruiting for the ARMY"? [explanation for the trash-mouth newcomers: Robesin once claimed - in here - that was what his late father did, but didn't say when or exactly where] The Army has always used active-duty Army NCOs for such tasks since before 1973 (the ending of the "Draft"). Strange LIE by Robeson, must have been done at time of some bad goods he swiped out of the Sharps box. He got his lies crossed-up, that's all. You're supposed to just go along with it. A "Sharps box" is colloquial term for a plastic container (usually wall mounted) for biological waste in medical facilities, sometimes referred to as just a "Sharps." Made by B. D. Sharps company and not affiliated with the dullness of the pro-coders. They can be seen in most doctors' offices and hospitals all over the country. Robesin as medical waste? Sure. Why not? He's a waste in so many ways. Robesin is going to come back and say "it's not nice to talk about medical things" as if he is some kind of code caduceus bearing "judge" of medicine. :-) He is a nurse (probably using a wastebasket-salvaged 1983 edition "Physician's Desk Reference" as his medical terminology guide). If he REALLY wanted some REAL rank, he could devote the next 9 years of his life to add MD after his name and honestly say he "saves lives." Tsk, he can't save his own life from the disease of impersonation. May a colony of helicobacter pylori set up housekeeping in his duodenum! :-) [he can share that with papa Fred] Did you see his "conceed" to Mark in another thread? Freddie baby is prolly setting up a spittle session in here bitching and bad-mouthing anyone who doesn't want to relive times past a half-century ago when Kode was King. We'll see what his kind of foaming-at-the-mouth trash talk against "no- coders" will be. :-) I don't care what Fred says. He's a bad impersonator of some of the great anti-Technicians of years past... |
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wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 6:17 am wrote: From: on Sat, Sep 2 2006 3:43 pm Fred Hambrecht wrote: Then again he may be a cousin to that anony-mousie "Slow Code." Lots of inbreeding going on in the morsemen ranks. The family tree has few branches. The roots are dead, petrified (of change). Girdled. gridle yea maybe steve should try that for his next Cap Photo I wonder where Jimmy Noserve is hiding? Fred said "shut up!" Jimmy would have a hissy fit if'n he saw that...:-) I wonder where robesin is hiding? Fred said "ass..." Jimmie Noserve showed up with his bimonthly Numbers (his period on?)...still trying to "prove" that Technician class licensees aren't really no-coders. :-) Wow. Why would he think that? Robeson showed up wondering who "Robesin" is...only proving that the poor guy can't realize it is himself. He always was illiterate in regards to alliteration. He lacks self-realization and self-actualization. Welp, if Fred had a tour in Ohio as an Army recruiter back in the 70s... Ya know, that always bothered me. Why would an ex-NAVY person be "recruiting for the ARMY"? [explanation for the trash-mouth newcomers: Robesin once claimed - in here - that was what his late father did, but didn't say when or exactly where] The Army has always used active-duty Army NCOs for such tasks since before 1973 (the ending of the "Draft"). Strange LIE by Robeson, must have been done at time of some bad goods he swiped out of the Sharps box. He got his lies crossed-up, that's all. You're supposed to just go along with it. or go shop at his clothing store for a civl suit A "Sharps box" is colloquial term for a plastic container (usually wall mounted) for biological waste in medical facilities, sometimes referred to as just a "Sharps." Made by B. D. Sharps company and not affiliated with the dullness of the pro-coders. They can be seen in most doctors' offices and hospitals all over the country. Robesin as medical waste? Sure. Why not? He's a waste in so many ways. Robesin is going to come back and say "it's not nice to talk about medical things" as if he is some kind of code caduceus bearing "judge" of medicine. :-) He is a nurse (probably using a wastebasket-salvaged 1983 edition "Physician's Desk Reference" as his medical terminology guide). If he REALLY wanted some REAL rank, he could devote the next 9 years of his life to add MD after his name and honestly say he "saves lives." Tsk, he can't save his own life from the disease of impersonation. May a colony of helicobacter pylori set up housekeeping in his duodenum! :-) [he can share that with papa Fred] Did you see his "conceed" to Mark in another thread? did you notice how he put it said I would eat something that would on the other guy bascialy if steve was passive in aal sex with a man or if Robeson enaged in a fetish behavoir with another man? boy Robeson is straight (not judeging by that line he isn't) Freddie baby is prolly setting up a spittle session in here bitching and bad-mouthing anyone who doesn't want to relive times past a half-century ago when Kode was King. We'll see what his kind of foaming-at-the-mouth trash talk against "no- coders" will be. :-) I don't care what Fred says. He's a bad impersonator of some of the great anti-Technicians of years past... he may grow into the part but I doubt it |
If you saw KB9RQZ standing next to a large mud puddle would you drive close and splash him?
Slow Code wrote in
nk.net: "an old friend" wrote in ups.com: Slow Code wrote: wrote in : You might have gotten some priviledges, but that was only because ham radio has been dumbed down and you didn't have to make an effort to earn them. funy how for all you claim to be better than I and better than those that agree with me on code tesing Our view is going to prevail Right, **** rolls down hill. on to Marks dinner plat. SC |
If you saw KB9RQZ standing next to a large mud puddle would you drive close and splash him?
"Fred Hambrecht" wrote in
: I extend fellowship to REAL hams, you no code idiots are not hams, simply CBers that have the ability to read at a third grade level. Everyone serves a purpose, even if only as a bad example... No code, non showering, non intellectial, whiners holding welfare licenses meet that criteria to a "T". Now that you have been responded to in the manner you accuse all code able hams of, you may cease your trolling... I don't really give a flip one way or another if you ever know code, I just wish the bunch of you would stop playing "pity me" and lamenting the fact you do not have a no code Jesse Jackson type to take up your cause. You have a license, enjoy it and if you don't care to learn the code, someday you won't have to. In the mean time shut up with the whining and get on with life. The license is only worth the investment you have in it, no effort - no value! If you spent half the time learning as you do bitching you would be at 40 WPM. They just want to be appliance operators Fred, they don't care if they can't commute. They want to pick up a microphone and start gabbing. A ham license means nothing to them, and will mean even less if ham radio tests are dumbed down more. Sc |
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Slow Code wrote: "Fred Hambrecht" wrote in : They just want to be appliance operators Fred, they don't care if they can't commute. I could commute I prefer not to |
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an old friend wrote: wrote: Did you see his "conceed" to Mark in another thread? did you notice how he put it said I would eat something that would on the other guy bascialy if steve was passive in aal sex with a man or if Robeson enaged in a fetish behavoir with another man? boy Robeson is straight (not judeging by that line he isn't) He has an unnatural interest in such things. |
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wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: Did you see his "conceed" to Mark in another thread? did you notice how he put it said I would eat something that would on the other guy bascialy if steve was passive in aal sex with a man or if Robeson enaged in a fetish behavoir with another man? boy Robeson is straight (not judeging by that line he isn't) He has an unnatural interest in such things. an ynatural interest in a lot of things, there likely is his real pathology |
If you saw KB9RQZ standing next to a large mud puddle would you drive close and splash him?
"an old friend" wrote in
oups.com: Slow Code wrote: "Fred Hambrecht" wrote in : They just want to be appliance operators Fred, they don't care if they can't communicate. I could commute I prefer not to Because you're dumb, or just lazy? SC |
slow code:kook on parade
Slow Code wrote:
"an old friend" wrote in oups.com: They just want to be appliance operators Fred, they don't care if they can't communicate. I could commute I prefer not to Because you're dumb, or just lazy? niether because I prefer to work smarter rather than harder slow code:kook on parade |
Lennie Screws Up yet Again...Reminds Us Of Just How Arrogantly Stupid He Is.
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Lennie Screws Up yet Again...Reminds Us Of Just How Arrogantly Stupid He Is.
I HAVE JUST FOUND A VIDEO OF THE ARCHTYPE OLD FART HAM RADIO OPERATOR. THIS IS THE *REAL DEAL* FOLKS !!! I MEAN IT - YOU HAVE GOT TO SEE THIS FOR YOURSELF..... HE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAXEkJEw4KM THIS GUY IS THE EMBOLDENED ENCAPSULATION OF EVERY DIRTY STINKING HAM OP THAT I'VE EVER SEEN AT A HAMFEST. (I JUST WISH I HAD THE GUY IN THE VIDEO'S CALLSIGN - PROLLY FROM 4 OR 5 LAND NO DOUBT........) "Enjoy! Ya've earned it! - (as we used to say on 14.313) "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Fred HaFrom: Fred Hambrecht on Sat, Sep 2 2006 6:02 pm I extend fellowship to REAL hams, you no code idiots are not hams, simply CBers that have the ability to read at a third grade level. Tsk, tsk, Fred. Had you been able to read RRAP before, you'd know I have no amateur license, only a commercial one. Lennie, Lennie, LENNIE! How SOON you FORGET! You let that license EXPIRE back in October 0f 2000 ! ! ! Or so you said!...Of course every Amateur Licensee except Morkie and Brain jumped on you for that...Knowing full well that GROLs do NOT "expire" until YOU expire. Of course it's YOU who is always chiding Amateurs for not knowing anything other THAN Amateur Radio, which is a pretty stupid claim...But then you ARE pretty stupid. And here you are spreading some more of that "stupid" around.... Silly Lennie...Tricks are for kids! Steve, K4YZ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Opus-" wrote in message ... I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the fray. On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:34:18 -0400, Dave spake thusly: George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea. Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html This seems fair, to me. As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. But, would my investment be more valuable if, for example, if an additional year of carpentry training were required for me to be certified? I mean, after all, cars had wood frames and bodies at one time so a mechanic would have needed carpentry skills...back in the 1930's. Such an investment would be a bad one. The skills would have no value and do nothing to enhance my skills as a mechanic. The extra investment would have no return with regards to being a mechanic. Carpentry would not make me a better mechanic and would not prove to the world that I really wanted to be a mechanic. CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been presented and those with closed minds have rejected them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:19:15 -0400, "Dee Flint"
spake thusly: "Opus-" wrote in message .. . I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the fray. On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:34:18 -0400, Dave spake thusly: George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea. Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html This seems fair, to me. As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. But, would my investment be more valuable if, for example, if an additional year of carpentry training were required for me to be certified? I mean, after all, cars had wood frames and bodies at one time so a mechanic would have needed carpentry skills...back in the 1930's. Such an investment would be a bad one. The skills would have no value and do nothing to enhance my skills as a mechanic. The extra investment would have no return with regards to being a mechanic. Carpentry would not make me a better mechanic and would not prove to the world that I really wanted to be a mechanic. CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been presented and those with closed minds have rejected them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Sorry, but your wrong, my analogy is just fine for this subject. CW to a ham, like carpentry to a mechanic, can be useful BUT is NOT NECESSARY for each to do what they want to do effectively and properly. Don't be one of those closed minds. Yes, a ham CAN use CW if he wants and more power to him/her to do so. A mechanic CAN learn to be a carpenter if he wants to and more power to him/her to do so. But carpentry will not make a mechanic a better mechanic, no more than CW will make a ham operator a better ham operator. More useful to themselves and others, but NOT better. Just because carpentry COULD maybe be useful to a mechanic does not mean that he should be required to learn carpentry to be a mechanic. A mechanic can be a damn good mechanic without picking up a hammer and a ham can be a damn good ham without touching a key. I said it before and I'll say it again. 70 years ago a good mechanic needed carpentry skills but no more. 70 years ago a good ham needed to know code but no more. A code test for todays prospective hams is like a carpentry test for todays prospective mechanics. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Opus- wrote in
: On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:19:15 -0400, "Dee Flint" spake thusly: "Opus-" wrote in message . .. I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the fray. On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:34:18 -0400, Dave spake thusly: George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea. Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html This seems fair, to me. As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. But, would my investment be more valuable if, for example, if an additional year of carpentry training were required for me to be certified? I mean, after all, cars had wood frames and bodies at one time so a mechanic would have needed carpentry skills...back in the 1930's. Such an investment would be a bad one. The skills would have no value and do nothing to enhance my skills as a mechanic. The extra investment would have no return with regards to being a mechanic. Carpentry would not make me a better mechanic and would not prove to the world that I really wanted to be a mechanic. CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been presented and those with closed minds have rejected them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Sorry, but your wrong, my analogy is just fine for this subject. CW to a ham, like carpentry to a mechanic, can be useful BUT is NOT NECESSARY for each to do what they want to do effectively and properly. Don't be one of those closed minds. Yes, a ham CAN use CW if he wants and more power to him/her to do so. A mechanic CAN learn to be a carpenter if he wants to and more power to him/her to do so. But carpentry will not make a mechanic a better mechanic, no more than CW will make a ham operator a better ham operator. More useful to themselves and others, but NOT better. Just because carpentry COULD maybe be useful to a mechanic does not mean that he should be required to learn carpentry to be a mechanic. A mechanic can be a damn good mechanic without picking up a hammer and a ham can be a damn good ham without touching a key. I said it before and I'll say it again. 70 years ago a good mechanic needed carpentry skills but no more. 70 years ago a good ham needed to know code but no more. A code test for todays prospective hams is like a carpentry test for todays prospective mechanics. When you have to spend time building a skill, you spend more time learning other related things as well. Hams that haven't had to study to pass a 13 wpm CW exam, probably don't know the written portion of the exam as will as hams that did. If I hadn't had to pass 20 wpm for my Extra, I would have taken the exam a lot sooner, but as I had to build my CW abilities, I also spend more time learning the theory too. It made me a better ham. You people don't want knowledgable hams anymore. CB'ers dont have to learn CW, are they better? SC |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake
thusly: Opus- wrote in : I said it before and I'll say it again. 70 years ago a good mechanic needed carpentry skills but no more. 70 years ago a good ham needed to know code but no more. A code test for todays prospective hams is like a carpentry test for todays prospective mechanics. When you have to spend time building a skill, you spend more time learning other related things as well. Hams that haven't had to study to pass a 13 wpm CW exam, probably don't know the written portion of the exam as will as hams that did. If I hadn't had to pass 20 wpm for my Extra, I would have taken the exam a lot sooner, but as I had to build my CW abilities, I also spend more time learning the theory too. It made me a better ham. Was code the ONLY way to learn the written portion? Besides, using a bunch of beeps to spell out characters over the airwaves takes no technical ability at all. Here in Canada, a no-code license requires MORE technical skill than a code license. In other words, here in Canada you need to learn MORE to pass a no-code license since learning code is a motor skill, not a technical one. You people don't want knowledgable hams anymore. Learning code does not impart any type of "knowledge" any more than learning roller skating. CB'ers dont have to learn CW, are they better? Based on the CBers I used to hear on the higher sideband channels, I heard very little of the insults I have seen here spewed by some of the pro-coders. Therefore, I'd say that they were at least better behaved than the aforementioned pro-coders. Yes, there were assholes on CB, but CB didn't make them that way. By the same token, learning code will not turn an asshole into a nice guy. CB is just a ham radio in the embryo stage, a zygote. The only real difference between CB and ham is the choices of bands and the power of the transmitter, when you really look at things in the most basic sense. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Opus- on Wed, Sep 6 2006 11:05 pm
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake thusly: Opus- wrote in m: I said it before and I'll say it again. 70 years ago a good mechanic needed carpentry skills but no more. 70 years ago a good ham needed to know code but no more. A code test for todays prospective hams is like a carpentry test for todays prospective mechanics. When you have to spend time building a skill, you spend more time learning other related things as well. Hams that haven't had to study to pass a 13 wpm CW exam, probably don't know the written portion of the exam as will as hams that did. If I hadn't had to pass 20 wpm for my Extra, I would have taken the exam a lot sooner, but as I had to build my CW abilities, I also spend more time learning the theory too. It made me a better ham. Was code the ONLY way to learn the written portion? Besides, using a bunch of beeps to spell out characters over the airwaves takes no technical ability at all. Agreed. But, please remember that Blow Code is a morse bigot. He (or she) is representative of only a minority of United States radio amateurs. When the major accomplishment in life of such morse bigots has been morsemanship, they will naturally trumpet that singular skill and attempt to moralize it as some kind of positive attribute that one MUST have. Here in Canada, a no-code license requires MORE technical skill than a code license. In other words, here in Canada you need to learn MORE to pass a no-code license since learning code is a motor skill, not a technical one. I applaud Industry Canada's decision on their regulations. My contact with Canadian regulations has been minimal but their website on radio regulations explained it all. Blow Code is confused on the task of the United States FCC in regulating ALL US civil radio; our FCC is not a booster organization for amateur radio or any other radio service here. The FCC only "wants" radio service users to obey the regulations. Manual radiotelegraphy skill testing for an amateur radio license has existed since the first US radio regulating agency and was maintained mostly out of inertia and the insistence of the ARRL (once it had risen above its competition) through lobbying the FCC. Given the vast scope of today's radio services, the FCC has a far greater task to keep up with its regulatory task. Amateur radio here is low on the regulatory task list of the FCC. Manual telegraphy IS a motor skill (more correct "psycho- motor" skill) but morse bigots become more psycho about their personal skills, equating it to intellectual knowledge and the ability to reason. Morse bigots see only their kind and want to destroy those who think differently; that is security for their "tribe." You people don't want knowledgable hams anymore. Learning code does not impart any type of "knowledge" any more than learning roller skating. ^^ [an example of the morse bigot and their confusion over psycho-motor skills versus intellectual knowledge] CB'ers dont have to learn CW, are they better? Based on the CBers I used to hear on the higher sideband channels, I heard very little of the insults I have seen here spewed by some of the pro-coders. Therefore, I'd say that they were at least better behaved than the aforementioned pro-coders. The gratuitous insults to Citizens Band Radio Service users has been in existance since 1958 when the USA authorized its use here (as 'Class D' CB on only 23 27 MHz band channels). That's a time span of 48 years. From its inception CB has NEVER required ANY testing to obtain a CB license. The "license" was pro-forma, a slight revision of the Restricted Class of Radio- telephone Operator license then common to services such as both private and civil aviation pilots. Nearly a half century ago, US radio amateurs developed a distaste for the US government and these new radio service users for: (1) "Taking away" their 11 meter band (little used, sitting below the largest amateur radio allocation on HF); having the audacity in NOT requiring any testing plus intolerant bitching over NOT having to pass any morse code test. That almost- hatred developed into the bigotry seen today. The bigotry grew when about a decade after authorization the offshore electronics industries hit the US market with less-expensive CB transceivers and long-haul truckers took to that service. CB users here soon out-numbered radio amateurs by a large margin. With such a huge base of users, a common patois/lingo/jargon grew that was NOT related to amateur radio but had roots in our state highway patrol police organizations. That lingo became quite different than amateurs' use of theirs, so that reinforced the "different-destroy" attitude of the amateurs' bigotry against CB users. Amateurs like to make fun of CB lingo but don't realize their jargon is amusing to other HF radio service users and the military radio. Amateurs tend to think of themselves as first and foremost without realizing that they never were first nor foremost and were always a minority in radio. Yes, there were assholes on CB, but CB didn't make them that way. By the same token, learning code will not turn an asshole into a nice guy. Morse bigots have the egotistical self-definition of THEIR skills being the only "true" ones for amateur radio. They will rationalize that self-righteous attitude with any number of archaic "reasons" that defy validity for regulatory purposes by radio regulating agencies. In last year's Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) on the elimination of morse code testing for US radio amateurs, several Commenters cited the ability to "thwart terrorism" by using morse code! :-) Apparently they had taken a Hollywood motion picture fictional depiction of aliens-from-outer-space-invasion as a documentary of a real event [film title was "Independence Day"]! CB is just a ham radio in the embryo stage, a zygote. The only real difference between CB and ham is the choices of bands and the power of the transmitter, when you really look at things in the most basic sense. I see it differently. Human beings like to communicate. That is evident in the enormous growth of cellular telephony and daily use of that; the US Census Bureau stated two years ago the one in three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That is roughly 100 million users of those tiny full-duplex radio transceivers. Several million CB users exist on USA highways (exact figures unknown as CB has been unlicensed for years, but can be approximated from EIA - Electronic Industry Association - statistics on manufactured and imported electronic equipment). FRS and GMRS unlicensed UHF HTs may exceed the million mark by now. In the maritime radio service private boat owners' VHF radios exceed that of commercial ship owners, VHF voice required on inland waterways and harbors for traffic control. Private boat owners are increasing their HF radio use on deep-water travels unsing HF SSB voice (a few radios marketed for sales to both them and radio amateurs). CB is 48 years old, hardly a youngster/child/teener. It is DIFFERENT than amateur radio on HF, therefore abhored by some radio amateurs stuck in their radio bigotry attitudes put there long ago by their ancestors. If truck drivers have spread a DIFFERENT lingo on CB radio, then they did so out of THEIR need to communicate about THEIR things, not some self- righteous and not-required-by-regulation "traditional" lingo used by hams. Amateurs don't/can't speak to others on HF and are restricted (in the USA) to "non-essential" communications (paraphrased from US regulations). Truck drivers CAN and DO communicate with others on and off the highways freely and with much less of the bigotry displayed by some radio amateurs looking for someone to destroy. Where does manual radiotelegraphy fit into this? It doesn't. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Dee Flint wrote:
"Opus-" wrote in message ... CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been presented and those with closed minds have rejected them. Pity the morse zealots and their closed minds... :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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ups.com: From: Opus- on Wed, Sep 6 2006 11:05 pm On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake thusly: Opus- wrote in : I said it before and I'll say it again. 70 years ago a good mechanic needed carpentry skills but no more. 70 years ago a good ham needed to know code but no more. A code test for todays prospective hams is like a carpentry test for todays prospective mechanics. When you have to spend time building a skill, you spend more time learning other related things as well. Hams that haven't had to study to pass a 13 wpm CW exam, probably don't know the written portion of the exam as will as hams that did. If I hadn't had to pass 20 wpm for my Extra, I would have taken the exam a lot sooner, but as I had to build my CW abilities, I also spend more time learning the theory too. It made me a better ham. Was code the ONLY way to learn the written portion? Besides, using a bunch of beeps to spell out characters over the airwaves takes no technical ability at all. Agreed. But, please remember that Blow Code is a morse bigot. He (or she) is representative of only a minority of United States radio amateurs. When the major accomplishment in life of such morse bigots has been morsemanship, they will naturally trumpet that singular skill and attempt to moralize it as some kind of positive attribute that one MUST have. Here in Canada, a no-code license requires MORE technical skill than a code license. In other words, here in Canada you need to learn MORE to pass a no-code license since learning code is a motor skill, not a technical one. I applaud Industry Canada's decision on their regulations. My contact with Canadian regulations has been minimal but their website on radio regulations explained it all. Blow Code is confused on the task of the United States FCC in regulating ALL US civil radio; our FCC is not a booster organization for amateur radio or any other radio service here. The FCC only "wants" radio service users to obey the regulations. Manual radiotelegraphy skill testing for an amateur radio license has existed since the first US radio regulating agency and was maintained mostly out of inertia and the insistence of the ARRL (once it had risen above its competition) through lobbying the FCC. Given the vast scope of today's radio services, the FCC has a far greater task to keep up with its regulatory task. Amateur radio here is low on the regulatory task list of the FCC. Manual telegraphy IS a motor skill (more correct "psycho- motor" skill) but morse bigots become more psycho about their personal skills, equating it to intellectual knowledge and the ability to reason. Morse bigots see only their kind and want to destroy those who think differently; that is security for their "tribe." You people don't want knowledgable hams anymore. Learning code does not impart any type of "knowledge" any more than learning roller skating. ^^ [an example of the morse bigot and their confusion over psycho-motor skills versus intellectual knowledge] CB'ers dont have to learn CW, are they better? Based on the CBers I used to hear on the higher sideband channels, I heard very little of the insults I have seen here spewed by some of the pro-coders. Therefore, I'd say that they were at least better behaved than the aforementioned pro-coders. The gratuitous insults to Citizens Band Radio Service users has been in existance since 1958 when the USA authorized its use here (as 'Class D' CB on only 23 27 MHz band channels). That's a time span of 48 years. From its inception CB has NEVER required ANY testing to obtain a CB license. The "license" was pro-forma, a slight revision of the Restricted Class of Radio- telephone Operator license then common to services such as both private and civil aviation pilots. Nearly a half century ago, US radio amateurs developed a distaste for the US government and these new radio service users for: (1) "Taking away" their 11 meter band (little used, sitting below the largest amateur radio allocation on HF); having the audacity in NOT requiring any testing plus intolerant bitching over NOT having to pass any morse code test. That almost- hatred developed into the bigotry seen today. The bigotry grew when about a decade after authorization the offshore electronics industries hit the US market with less-expensive CB transceivers and long-haul truckers took to that service. CB users here soon out-numbered radio amateurs by a large margin. With such a huge base of users, a common patois/lingo/jargon grew that was NOT related to amateur radio but had roots in our state highway patrol police organizations. That lingo became quite different than amateurs' use of theirs, so that reinforced the "different-destroy" attitude of the amateurs' bigotry against CB users. Amateurs like to make fun of CB lingo but don't realize their jargon is amusing to other HF radio service users and the military radio. Amateurs tend to think of themselves as first and foremost without realizing that they never were first nor foremost and were always a minority in radio. Yes, there were assholes on CB, but CB didn't make them that way. By the same token, learning code will not turn an asshole into a nice guy. Morse bigots have the egotistical self-definition of THEIR skills being the only "true" ones for amateur radio. They will rationalize that self-righteous attitude with any number of archaic "reasons" that defy validity for regulatory purposes by radio regulating agencies. In last year's Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) on the elimination of morse code testing for US radio amateurs, several Commenters cited the ability to "thwart terrorism" by using morse code! :-) Apparently they had taken a Hollywood motion picture fictional depiction of aliens-from-outer-space-invasion as a documentary of a real event [film title was "Independence Day"]! CB is just a ham radio in the embryo stage, a zygote. The only real difference between CB and ham is the choices of bands and the power of the transmitter, when you really look at things in the most basic sense. I see it differently. Human beings like to communicate. That is evident in the enormous growth of cellular telephony and daily use of that; the US Census Bureau stated two years ago the one in three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That is roughly 100 million users of those tiny full-duplex radio transceivers. Several million CB users exist on USA highways (exact figures unknown as CB has been unlicensed for years, but can be approximated from EIA - Electronic Industry Association - statistics on manufactured and imported electronic equipment). FRS and GMRS unlicensed UHF HTs may exceed the million mark by now. In the maritime radio service private boat owners' VHF radios exceed that of commercial ship owners, VHF voice required on inland waterways and harbors for traffic control. Private boat owners are increasing their HF radio use on deep-water travels unsing HF SSB voice (a few radios marketed for sales to both them and radio amateurs). CB is 48 years old, hardly a youngster/child/teener. It is DIFFERENT than amateur radio on HF, therefore abhored by some radio amateurs stuck in their radio bigotry attitudes put there long ago by their ancestors. If truck drivers have spread a DIFFERENT lingo on CB radio, then they did so out of THEIR need to communicate about THEIR things, not some self- righteous and not-required-by-regulation "traditional" lingo used by hams. Amateurs don't/can't speak to others on HF and are restricted (in the USA) to "non-essential" communications (paraphrased from US regulations). Truck drivers CAN and DO communicate with others on and off the highways freely and with much less of the bigotry displayed by some radio amateurs looking for someone to destroy. Where does manual radiotelegraphy fit into this? It doesn't. There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver, phone, & CW. All you need for phone is a microphone, All you need for CW is a pencil and paper. If you had to build a transmitter in an emergency, a CW transmitter is simpliest to build. We are after all technical aren't we? We're not just appliance operators. Eliminating CW removes a way we can communicate. A simple way, where all that's required is an ear, a pencil, and paper, and a skill. SC |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
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oups.com: Dee Flint wrote: "Opus-" wrote in message ... CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been presented and those with closed minds have rejected them. Pity the morse zealots and their closed minds... :-) Pity the lazy asses that just want to be appliance operators. They care nothing for the integrity of the service. SC |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Slow Code on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 11:50 pm
" wrote in From: Opus- on Wed, Sep 6 2006 11:05 pm On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver, phone, & CW. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG... It is voice, radiotelegraphy, data, pulse, right off the bat, plus a few others which you have NO idea they existed for EMERGENCIES. Blowcode, you are stuck on HF ham thinking. So were some other morse zealots and morse bigots in this forum many years ago. Their scenarios were invalid comic-book stuff then and now you've just repeated the same. Deja phooey. On HF you can find some EMERGENCY calling frequencies...but those aren't on ham bands. I recall only two, one for maritime, one for civil aviation over-ocean routes. Aviation has some more but you aren't worth the time to go look them up in the huge Part 2 regulations of Title 47 C.F.R. Both are VOICE. Over or near land the aviation VHF frequency is 121.5 MHz. Military aviation is 243 MHz. Both are VOICE. Airborne transponders (those are transmitter-receivers) has a "squawk" code just for emergencies and, in a pinch, you can push the IDENT button. Transponder output will auto- matically show up on ATCRBS radar displays. The little HTs in military parachute backpacks can do both VOICE and DME/TACAN (the 'pulse' I mentioned). [you probably don't know what DME or TACAN are yet they've been around for a half century. On waterways (not open ocean) there are VHF frequencies for EMERGENCIES. VOICE. Go look those up in Part 2. VHF VOICE is used in the USA in harbors and inland waterways. Need EMERGENCY frequencies on land? Plenty of those, band specific, organization specific, freqs available if you are serious about having to use them. Those frequencies are kept open 24/7 in most areas and have emergency power backup. Three major land PLMRS bands, can you name them? [I didn't think so] Ever hear of a cellular telephone? By now, I'll bet you noticed them. One in three Americans have one. Little 1 GHz HTs with lots of added features with tens of thousands of cell sites to connect to telco. You can punch up nine-one-one on them same as a wireline phone. Nine-one-one is operated 24/7, done by professionals. Cell sites and telephone exchanges all have "floating" emergency power, can remain operating on AC power outage. Think you can call for a paramedic with your little "CW" transceiver, Blowcode? Or a fire truck? Police car? Sorry, Blowcode, they use VOICE and above 30 MHz. Some paramedic ambulances have EKG instruments with radio coupling to a hospital. Some police departments have data terminals IN their cars (LAPD does as do many adjacent incorporated cities here). All you need for phone is a microphone, All you need for CW is a pencil and paper. BWAAAAAHAAAA!!!!! How are you on "straight wire CW" Blowcode? Can you do 'twenty' just rubbing two bare wires together? [remember, you have to scrape OFF the insulation to make contact...] If you had to build a transmitter in an emergency, a CW transmitter is simpliest to build. !!!BUILD?!?!?!??? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!! Is your QST featuring the "Tuna Tin Two" handy and able to survive a full EMERGENCY environment? Do you have the parts? Do you have a power-less soldering iron? Do you know how to use hand tools? [I don't think so] Once you've cobbled together something that MIGHT work, HOW DO YOU KNOW? Did you have test equipment that survived the EMERGENCY, Blowcode? [I'll bet you think so] How do you know you're on a frequency that you think is good for emergencies? You do "laying on of hands" to miraculously make it work? In this (unspecified) EMERGENCY do you have two functioning hands to use the tools to 'make' this thing? Will you need AC power to run it? Will it work on DC? From where will the electrical power come from? Rub two Handbooks together? Cobbling together a one-tube transmitter MIGHT be possible, provided you have plans, the parts, a suitable tube, and the right values of components (which you seem to think you 'know' exactly?. It might take 24 hours or so...at which time the "emergency" would be over and the 'emergency' victims might be long dead. You can spout bull**** bragging only so far. You've gone too far, Blowcode. You DEMONSTRATE that you can cobble together a simple 'transmitter' out of a pile of parts which do NOT know of ahead of time. SHOW US or someone. Put your money where your big mouth is. Here's what the right-thinking folks do: Have a radio or radios ALREADY available for emergencies, along with a power source, on some 'emergency frequency' that you KNOW WILL BE HEARD. The "CW-saves-the-day" scenario is BS that went out before the GMDSS was activated seven years ago; the USCG is NOT monitoring the 500 KHz "CW" frequency and neither are many other equivalent national maritime aid agencies. A few years ago a gal teenager picked up a call for help on an FRS HT from a stranded mountain climbing team...voice, not "CW", miles away. Made the Washington and Oregon newspapers. [FRS isn't on ham bands, Blowcode, and the gal wasn't a "radio op"] We are after all technical aren't we? You (sure as hell) sound like you can barely wire up a doorbell. With a QST article on it to show you how. We're not just appliance operators. Right...in addition you are an unthinking nuisance. Eliminating CW removes a way we can communicate. Eliminating a code test does NOT "remove its use." If morsemanship is so damn good, it DOESN'T NEED TESTING. Folks will take to it without needing to be tested if its such a wonderful thing. A simple way, where all that's required is an ear, a pencil, and paper, and a skill. Blowcode, you need a SKULL more than a skill...one with a working brain inside it. Try to get a new brain. Quickly. Now go back to reading those comic books from the ARRL. You know, the "Archie" ones that you saved up long ago. |
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