With WOR I was unable to tell what the IBOC signal sounded like
because their signal was so strong I could receive it on my teeth.
WPAT is far weaker and I hear the same thing you hear from 910 to 950.
On my receivers it sounds like square waves and buzzing on either
side. Hash lower and buzzing upper. Beyond 960 all is quiet so it
isn't dimmer or power line noise.

If you can't get enough of WPAT's noise-generating IBOC signal, try
1480 WZRC. As of 2:00 PM on Thursday afternoon, the IBOC was turned
on at that NYC station as well. Listeners of 1500 WGHT -- whose
transmitter is only 17 miles away from WZRC's -- will definitely not
be pleased when they tune in 1500 AM and hear a constant "HISSSSSSSS"
in the background. Yes, IBOC is currently daytime-only -- but so is
WGHT itself (to accomodate WTOP at night), so there's no escape!

Furthermore, 930 WPAT is a hodge-podge of time-brokered ethnic
programming, and 1480 WZRC is all-Chinese. Exactly what is the point
of broadcasting these zero-ratings, zero-advertiser, zero-listener
formats in IBOC digital?? And as for 710 WOR, most of its 85-year-old
listeners probably don't even know what "digital" means. Regardless
of its technical flaws, IBOC might have a chance if they put it on
something like Radio Disney (1560 WQEW), as an attempt to attract more
younger listeners to the AM band. Otherwise, it's just being wasted
on the type of listeners who haven't bought a new radio since 1974.

Otherwise, it's just being wasted
on the type of listeners who haven't bought a new radio since 1974.


Gee, isn't 1974 the official date when they stopped making real AM radios
and jammed everything into one 50 cent IC ?

"WBRW" wrote in message
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Furthermore, 930 WPAT is a hodge-podge of time-brokered ethnic
programming, and 1480 WZRC is all-Chinese. Exactly what is the point
of broadcasting these zero-ratings, zero-advertiser, zero-listener
formats in IBOC digital?? And as for 710 WOR, most of its 85-year-old
listeners probably don't even know what "digital" means.

Forgot to add: the average listenerer age for all stations combined in NY is
41; the average age for WZRC is 38; for WPAT it is 46.

Regardless
of its technical flaws, IBOC might have a chance if they put it on
something like Radio Disney (1560 WQEW), as an attempt to attract more
younger listeners to the AM band. Otherwise, it's just being wasted
on the type of listeners who haven't bought a new radio since 1974.

"WBRW" wrote in message
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Furthermore, 930 WPAT is a hodge-podge of time-brokered ethnic
programming, and 1480 WZRC is all-Chinese.

Furthermore, WPAT is highly profitable, and the programs serve specialized
communities that may have no other source for such programming.

Under this "hodge podge" standard, every TV station in America qualifies;
different programs for different folks at different times of the day. It is
just block programming. It was also radio's model during its first 30 years.

Exactly what is the point
of broadcasting these zero-ratings, zero-advertiser, zero-listener
formats in IBOC digital??

You are saying Chinese speakers are less likely to be interested in improved
audio quality than non-Chinese. Or are you saying they are less deserving?
Less worth?

BTW, most of the brokered shows on these stations are chock full of local
commercials for community stores, busniesses and services. Such formats
don't show in ratings mostly because Arbityron has no Asian interviewers and
does not do ethnic weighting for Asians. The staitons have listeners,
advertisers and high billings.

And as for 710 WOR, most of its 85-year-old
listeners probably don't even know what "digital" means.

You are off by 26 years. WOR's average age is 59.

WABC's average age is 54 and WCBS-AM's is 52.

I happen to be somewhere in that range and digital is very interesting to
me. And to many contemporaries I know.

Regardless
of its technical flaws, IBOC might have a chance if they put it on
something like Radio Disney (1560 WQEW), as an attempt to attract more
younger listeners to the AM band.

Again, it appears you are saiying that Asina listeners are of no value, or
are undiscriminating in taste or unsophisticated. Which is it?

Otherwise, it's just being wasted
on the type of listeners who haven't bought a new radio since 1974.

I bought my last one, oh, 3 weeks ago. It is a combined digital recorder,
digital playback and AM FM radio with a computer interface for storing MP3's
recorded off the air. A scaled version is being readied for marketing to
Rush listeners who want to record and listen later; the average age of them
is about 57. So much for your theories about technology. You are talking
about the generation that grew up with the first transistor radios, avidly
took to the cassette medium and rapidly gravitated to VHS, CD's, and DVDs.

Furthermore, 930 WPAT is a hodge-podge of time-brokered ethnic
programming, and 1480 WZRC is all-Chinese.

Don't forget that the New York Metropolitan area often has more people
of a particular ethnic group than their naive counties have. The WPATs
of the world are the only place where they can find programming that
speaks to them. They lost their major outlet (WEVD) to make room for
the third all sports station in the city.

New York has a larger Chinese population than most cities have people.
I believe WZRC is Korean.

It was a tremendous improvement in the cultural life of the city. The
only sports figure I've seen who makes any sense is Yogi Berra. "When
you see a fork in the road, take it." How can you go wrong with that?

If you were to see a man on the street patting his male companion on
the butt, what would you think? If you saw one of them bent over with
the other with his hands between his companion's legs, what would you
think? There are no women around. Yet we spend billions to watch
allegedly heterosexual men do the same thing on TV.

Strange.

Rich

Don't forget that the New York Metropolitan area often has more people
of a particular ethnic group than their naive counties have.

That must be why we have TWO stations with primarily Russian-language
programming (620 WSNR & 1380 WKDM), and if you count a simulcast, TWO
stations with all-Polish programming (910 WRKL & 1580 WLIM). But yet,
the nation's #1 music format, Country, does not exist on the air
within 50 miles of NYC. Yes, yes, yes, people say that there simply
aren't that many country music fans within the City itself, and
they're correct -- but any decent NYC-area signal will cover plenty of
the surrounding suburban areas were there *are* many country fans.
"Y-107" proved this, with its lousy-ass signal getting better ratings
-- even within the NYC market itself -- than what "Barbie Radio" is
getting on a full-power heritage NYC FM station.

They lost their major outlet (WEVD) to make room for the third all sports
station in the city.

Well, *second* all-sports station, since 620 WSNR is now only
"Sporting Radio News" when it feels like it. (Strange, but true -- a
"flagship" station that doesn't carry its own network's programming
most of the time.)

If you were to see a man on the street patting his male companion on
the butt, what would you think? If you saw one of them bent over with
the other with his hands between his companion's legs, what would you
think? There are no women around. Yet we spend billions to watch
allegedly heterosexual men do the same thing on TV.

Umm... not that I disagree with you, but what does this have to do
with radio?

However, since you got me thinking, could this be the reason why
soccer has never been popular in America... because it's not
homoerotic enough? :-)

Strange.

....but true.

On 23 Jul 2003 01:22:44 GMT, (WBRW) wrote:

But yet,
the nation's #1 music format, Country, does not exist on the air
within 50 miles of NYC. Yes, yes, yes, people say that there simply
aren't that many country music fans within the City itself, and
they're correct -- but any decent NYC-area signal will cover plenty of
the surrounding suburban areas were there *are* many country fans.

I don't believe they're correct. WYNY had some pretty decent numbers
as a Country station, if I remember correctly. I think there's a great
opportunity for Country here. I believe it's a sales and ego problem.
If I owned WLIE on Long Island it would go country in a heartbeat.

If you were to see a man on the street patting his male companion on
the butt, what would you think? If you saw one of them bent over with
the other with his hands between his companion's legs, what would you
think? There are no women around. Yet we spend billions to watch
allegedly heterosexual men do the same thing on TV.

Umm... not that I disagree with you, but what does this have to do
with radio?

However, since you got me thinking, could this be the reason why
soccer has never been popular in America... because it's not
homoerotic enough? :-)

I really has more to do with TV. Actually, Soccer is very homoerotic.
They wear skimpy shorts and often get them pulled down during play.
Soccer players seem more physically comfortable with each other than
American players. They don't seem to care what anybody thinks.

Lately, it seems American players have to abuse or rape women to show
their heteroseuality. I was going to say manhood but real men don't
rape women..

Rich

I really has more to do with TV. Actually, Soccer is very homoerotic.
They wear skimpy shorts and often get them pulled down during play.
Soccer players seem more physically comfortable with each other than
American players. They don't seem to care what anybody thinks.

Rubgy, too... I'd love to hear the radio play-by-play of what the
article below describes. It's a strange world, isn't it? American
athletes go around raping and killing people, while Aussies engage in
foreplay with their teammates right on the field. And was nobody
suspicious when they saw this guy carrying around a tube of KY? :-)


Rugger Resigns Over Rectal Fouls
Matt Alsdorf, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network
Wednesday, April 4, 2001 / 05:51 PM

Digital penetration of opposing players while on the field was deemed
"unsportsmanlike interference" by Australian rugby's governing body,
and the offending player has been forced to resign.

An Australian pro rugby player who resigned this weekend after being
caught sticking his finger in opposing players' anuses during a match
is now considering taking legal action against the New Zealand Cancer
Society (NZCS) for using his picture in an advertisement for prostate
cancer checks.

John Hopoate, a winger for the Australian National Rugby League's West
Tigers club, received a 12-week suspension from the NRL judiciary last
week for "unsportsmanlike interference" with three North Queensland
players whom he digitally penetrated. The Associated Press reported
that the resignation came after team management met to consider calls
for his removal.

Hopoate said he believed his decision was in the best interest of the
club and its fans, according to Agence France Presse. "I sincerely
regret that anything I may have done has caused stress, anxiety and
disappointment to everyone involved with the West Tigers," AFP quoted
Hopoate as saying in a statement he released through his manager.

NZCS took out an advertisement in New Zealand's The Dominion newspaper
with a color close-up of Hopoate apparently sticking his finger in
North Queensland captain Paul Bowman's anus. According to the
Australian Associated Press (AAP), the accompanying text reads, "A
bloke's chances of developing prostate cancer increases as he gets
older. If you have symptoms that you're concerned about, consult your
local doctor. It won't hurt a bit -- promise."

The AAP reports that Hopoate and his manager say they were not
consulted by NZCS about use of the image and are "looking at the legal
ramifications." NRL chief executive David Moffett said the ad was
"appalling."

But NZCS's Roger Taylor was quoted by New Zealand's One News as
saying, "It's a difficult message to get across for a difficult
disease ... and we felt our normal health promotion doesn't work that
well and that this was a topical issue that would perhaps get it out
there."

According to AFP, Hopoate, a 27-year-old teetotalling Mormon father of
five, had faced the NRL's disciplinary commission seven times in the
past four years, primarily for fighting.



p.s. Relevancy to this thread: Due to its 8.5-second digital
encoding/transmission/decoding delay, IBOC is incapable of
broadcasting live sporting events in real-time. And since the analog
audio is also delayed to match, spectators who bring a transistor
radio to the game will hear the play-by-play of what happened 8.5
seconds ago!

In article , WBRW wrote:

Well, *second* all-sports station, since 620 WSNR is now only
"Sporting Radio News" when it feels like it. (Strange, but true -- a
"flagship" station that doesn't carry its own network's programming
most of the time.)

Word on the street is that Paul Allen is desperate to find a greater
fool to take the station off his hands. That's why they're brokering
it out -- it wasn't making them anything running SNR, and they want to
get it billing *something* in order to get a decent sale price. (Is
Arthur Liu full up yet?) I think the last SNR O&O that is still
running SNR programming full-time is WWZN Boston, and rumors are
swirling over programming changes there, too. (And Boston probably
costs as much to run as Newark does, thanks to some poor decisions
made by a previous Greater Fool.)

-GAWollman

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In article , WBRW
wrote:

Well, *second* all-sports station, since 620 WSNR is now only
"Sporting Radio News" when it feels like it. (Strange, but true -- a
"flagship" station that doesn't carry its own network's programming
most of the time.)

Word on the street is that Paul Allen is desperate to find a greater
fool to take the station off his hands. That's why they're brokering
it out -- it wasn't making them anything running SNR, and they want to
get it billing *something* in order to get a decent sale price.

Below certain billing levels, the value of stations like this is based, like
lobsters in a restaurant, on "makret price." No sane person would keep the
current programming, so billing is not material. The old day formula of 2.5
times billig or 8-10 times BCF are long gone.

Example: inferior, basin-floor limited Class B KFSG (now KXOL-FM) in LA with
no billing and a must-change format: $250 million.