"Ted Shireman" wrote in message
...
pamthis (Sid Schweiger) wrote in message
...
The only "hypocritical and desperate" thing about the linked article is
its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked
out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

Another so-called journalist of the open-mouth-insert-foot school.

A small sidelite on AA. They have evidenly obtained a lease on time
from KBLA, 50 kw DA-2 on 1580 kHz. That station is dual licensed to
Santa Monica and L.A.

Actually, it is only licensed to Santa Monica. It does not put enough signal
over LA day and night to be an LA station.

and puts a tremendous signal in that area,

Actually, it only covers part of LA by day, and very little of it at night.
At night, a flashlight-thin lobe heads from Alvarado and the 101 fwy towards
Santa Mónica and the ocean.

but
out here 11 mi east of the transmitter in the San Gabriel Valley I
can't hear it on any radio in my house day or night and at night it's
lost in the mud on the 210 fwy in East Pasadena==Ted Shireman

Which is how it was designed.

.... There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a 10
kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other fulltimers
in Mexico on 1190.


There were three Class As on 1190: WOWO, KEX and XEWK.

XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
likely to go anywhere, either.

One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
station in Canada.

Any west coast 1190 is going to be limited by KEX and XEWK, and Anaheim and
Tolleson haven't been able to get around that fact.

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Peter H. wrote:

... There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a 10
kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other fulltimers
in Mexico on 1190.



There were three Class As on 1190: WOWO, KEX and XEWK.

XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
likely to go anywhere, either.

One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
station in Canada.


WOWO does have an application for 15 kw nights with a 4 tower DA under
its new owners which should restore them to the old I-B status.

CG


Any west coast 1190 is going to be limited by KEX and XEWK, and Anaheim and
Tolleson haven't been able to get around that fact.






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XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
likely to go anywhere, either.

One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "T. Early" in
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I guess the simple question, shorn of all the rhetoric, is whether
Air
America replaced programming by the Coalition of Artists and
Activists or not.

No, the owners of the station replaced programming by CAA. With Air
America.

By the way, CAA's programming still has a home on weekends.



That's a reasonable distinction. So should I assume that Air America
representatives did not approach the owners with an offer, knowing
that acceptance of the offer would result in CAA programming being
replaced?

(Ted Shireman) wrote in message ...
pamthis (Sid Schweiger) wrote in message ...
The only "hypocritical and desperate" thing about the linked article is its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

AA has probably had the most successful launch in the history of talk
radio. However, it remains to be seen whether their line-up of mostly
newbies to the talk radio business are going to make it. So far
there's too much talking among themselves and their guests. Too few
real callers. Randi Rhodes is the best

WOWO does have an application for 15 kw nights with a 4 tower DA under its new
owners which should restore them to the old I-B status.


No.

That 4-tower DA is intended to further restrict WOWO's pattern, not to increase
it, so that Salem may go unlimited time at its Atlanta station (although there
are other problems besides WOWO which will impact Salem's plans).

I believe Salem is paying for the new DA, which will be expensive.

So, should this 4-tower DA ever be constructed, WOWO may well be above the 10
kW minimum for Class A status, but it wouldn't automatically be a Class A
unless and until it could prove it actually had a protected secondary service
area, which it won't because of WLIB and Kansas City, and Canada accepted the
new pattern.

So far, there has not been a case of a significant change in a Class A pattern
which was accepted by Canada, save for WSAI/1530, and in order for WSAI to
implement that change, protection had to be added to 1520 (WWKB) and to 1540
(ZNS-1) as well as to its intended purpose ... increasing the radiation over
Cincinnati.

Well, add WBBR to that list as well.

Canada has a Class A priority on 1130, but not on 1530 nor on 1190.

Nevertheless, Canada is the rate-limiting function here, because of its many
"notified" Class Bs.

RHF wrote:

The 'original' License for certain "Minority Owned" Broadcasters
were to SERVE the 'under-served' Minority Community of a specific
Media Market, and 'create' "Diversity in Radio Broadcasting".

Agreed. It would sure be nice if it worked out that way.

So we now see the selling out of the Minority Community to
'benefit' the interests of a few White Liberal ELITISTS. These
Liberal Elitists only claim to fame is their Leftist Socialist
Agenda and using a few radio stations to act as propaganda outlets.

Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Pacifica? Not that Pacifica
hasn't gone really quite conservative in recent years. Used to be I could
tune to WPFW late at night and hear extended rants about killing all the white
people, and that's long gone. I sort of miss it, actually.

"Air America" in 'name' ONLY
In-Fact Very Ugly American Liberal Elitist in Reality !

Hey, if it gets people thinking and it makes a profit, it's doing better
than most of the other services that come in over the bird. I did notice
a bad buzz when I listened to their feed, though. Also I heard the sort of
pumping that you get when you try to use a compressor as an AVC device.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Sid Schweiger wrote:
The 'original' License for certain "Minority Owned" Broadcasters were to SERVE
the 'under-served' Minority Community of a specific Media Market, and 'create'
"Diversity in Radio Broadcasting".

Where DO you people get this crap from?

No one has promised "to SERVE the 'under-served' Minority Community" as a
condition of a grant of an FCC license for almost three decades. Where have
you been?

Wouldn't it be nice if someone did, though? Combine that with the Fairness
Doctrine and hey, you might have radio worth listening to.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 14 Apr 2004 14:43:00 GMT, (baroos) wrote:


AA has probably had the most successful launch in the history of talk
radio. However, it remains to be seen whether their line-up of mostly
newbies to the talk radio business are going to make it. So far
there's too much talking among themselves and their guests. Too few
real callers. Randi Rhodes is the best

With 5 or 6 stations? That's a success? And it apparently has been pulled
from Chicago and LA because their check bounced (per news reports this
evening.)

So they are down to 3 or 4 stations. That's a HUGE success!

pamthis (Sid Schweiger) wrote in message ...
The 'original' License for certain "Minority Owned" Broadcasters were to SERVE
the 'under-served' Minority Community of a specific Media Market, and 'create'
"Diversity in Radio Broadcasting".

Where DO you people get this crap from?

No one has promised "to SERVE the 'under-served' Minority Community" as a
condition of a grant of an FCC license for almost three decades. Where have
you been?


SS,

Hello, simply read their 'original' Application for the
Radio Station License. The Devil is in the Details ;-}

jtf ~ RHF

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