Hello Steveo:

Yeah I looked this up Ic 718 on the Icom web site. It looks like a nice
radio.

But let me bend your ear towards the Icom Ic 746 Pro. It has all the DSP
and digital IF Filters all ready to go. If yous ain't satisfied you can
always get your money back out of it.

I know the 746 Pro is going for around 1500 dollars. I have a 746 and a
746 Pro. I won't have another radio without DSP or digital IF Filters.

The 746 Pro "Button-ology" isn't too bad, as in user hostile. But the
manual was written by someone who needed to get out more often. And
proves academic achievement is useless without some sort of hands on
experience in life. A user friendly abbreviated manual is available for
around 22 dollars. I have one.

One of my pet peeves is a great radio that is user hostile, the design
works great, but the radio doesn't sell because the software guys where
allowed run a muck making it too complicated to use.
The radio is button-ology user hostile to operate.
This is managements fault for not having a separate group test and
evaluate the radio before production. And there is no excuse for this as
there are way too many fat, over stuffed, self centered, arrogant,
unemployed hams out there that can test the radios before production.

It would be a sad day for some of these guys if I where in charge, as
many would be escorted off the company property in handcuffs.

Jay in the Mojave

Steveo wrote:
Anyone reading this ever try one?

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Hello Steveo:

Yeah I looked this up Ic 718 on the Icom web site. It looks like a nice
radio.

But let me bend your ear towards the Icom Ic 746 Pro. It has all the DSP
and digital IF Filters all ready to go. If yous ain't satisfied you can
always get your money back out of it.

I know the 746 Pro is going for around 1500 dollars. I have a 746 and a
746 Pro. I won't have another radio without DSP or digital IF Filters.

The 746 Pro "Button-ology" isn't too bad, as in user hostile. But the
manual was written by someone who needed to get out more often. And
proves academic achievement is useless without some sort of hands on
experience in life. A user friendly abbreviated manual is available for
around 22 dollars. I have one.

One of my pet peeves is a great radio that is user hostile, the design
works great, but the radio doesn't sell because the software guys where
allowed run a muck making it too complicated to use.
The radio is button-ology user hostile to operate.
This is managements fault for not having a separate group test and
evaluate the radio before production. And there is no excuse for this as
there are way too many fat, over stuffed, self centered, arrogant,
unemployed hams out there that can test the radios before production.

It would be a sad day for some of these guys if I where in charge, as
many would be escorted off the company property in handcuffs.

Jay in the Mojave


Yeah Jay thanks for the references but the radio isn't for me, a friend of
mine was offered one at a good price and I was just curious if anyone had
any pros or cons about it. I'm not so sure I'm in love with the display on
those anyway. I'm not in the market for anymore radios right now, I have
too many already!

Steveo wrote:
Anyone reading this ever try one?

Hello Steveo:

I believe any ham radio is a significant improvement over a CB radio.

Jay in the Mojave

Steveo wrote:

Yeah Jay thanks for the references but the radio isn't for me, a friend of
mine was offered one at a good price and I was just curious if anyone had
any pros or cons about it. I'm not so sure I'm in love with the display on
those anyway. I'm not in the market for anymore radios right now, I have
too many already!
Steveo wrote:
Anyone reading this ever try one?

I believe any ham radio is a significant improvement over a CB radio.


Certainly not the 2 meter CB crowd...

Scott in Baltimore wrote:
I believe any ham radio is a significant improvement over a CB radio.


Certainly not the 2 meter CB crowd...

???????????

Jay in the Mojave

Scott in Baltimore wrote:
I believe any ham radio is a significant improvement over a CB radio.


Certainly not the 2 meter CB crowd...
Hello Scott:

No I am talking about the radios not the people. I see people from both
sides of the fence I keep at arms length.

I get no end of humor when I say a "Ten-4" or "I am back out" or "Get
your knee's in the breeze" on one certain 2 meter repeater. Many have
thanked me for my informal type radio lingo. The greatest is "Ten-4 ....
over and out" it just drives em nuts.

Jay in the Mojave

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Hello Steveo:

I believe any ham radio is a significant improvement over a CB radio.

Jay in the Mojave


True dat Jay, he ended up buying it for $400 so hopefully he will like it.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:15:50 -0800, Jay in the Mojave wrote:

Hello Steveo:

Yeah I looked this up Ic 718 on the Icom web site. It looks like a nice
radio.

But let me bend your ear towards the Icom Ic 746 Pro. It has all the DSP
and digital IF Filters all ready to go. If yous ain't satisfied you can
always get your money back out of it.

I know the 746 Pro is going for around 1500 dollars. I have a 746 and a
746 Pro. I won't have another radio without DSP or digital IF Filters.

The 746 Pro "Button-ology" isn't too bad, as in user hostile. But the
manual was written by someone who needed to get out more often. And
proves academic achievement is useless without some sort of hands on
experience in life. A user friendly abbreviated manual is available for
around 22 dollars. I have one.

One of my pet peeves is a great radio that is user hostile, the design
works great, but the radio doesn't sell because the software guys where
allowed run a muck making it too complicated to use.
The radio is button-ology user hostile to operate.
This is managements fault for not having a separate group test and
evaluate the radio before production. And there is no excuse for this as
there are way too many fat, over stuffed, self centered, arrogant,
unemployed hams out there that can test the radios before production.

It would be a sad day for some of these guys if I where in charge, as
many would be escorted off the company property in handcuffs.

Jay in the Mojave

Steveo wrote:
Anyone reading this ever try one?


I purchased a used 746 from a famous guy !

The backlight went out, and I repaired it. I also made a powerpoint presentation
on it.

Vinnie S.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:15:50 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
wrote:

|This is managements fault for not having a separate group test and
|evaluate the radio before production. And there is no excuse for this as
|there are way too many fat, over stuffed, self centered, arrogant,
|unemployed hams out there that can test the radios before production.
|
|--------------

you are right that it is management's fault but for the wrong reasons.
I have worked on projects where the senior manager has defined a major
portion of the look and feel of a product and no matter how much human
engineering has told them that thngs need to change, they don't. Get a
senior manager that has enough time and respect and given enough power
can lead to egos that in the end can produce a lousy product.

james

james wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:15:50 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
wrote:

|This is managements fault for not having a separate group test and
|evaluate the radio before production. And there is no excuse for this as
|there are way too many fat, over stuffed, self centered, arrogant,
|unemployed hams out there that can test the radios before production.
|
|--------------

you are right that it is management's fault but for the wrong reasons.
I have worked on projects where the senior manager has defined a major
portion of the look and feel of a product and no matter how much human
engineering has told them that thngs need to change, they don't. Get a
senior manager that has enough time and respect and given enough power
can lead to egos that in the end can produce a lousy product.

james

Hello James:

Management is in charge and has the responsibility to make the best, or
most profitable product possible. The "Buck" stops with management
period. If Management turns their back on human engineering, there is
some major wrong things happening.

Aircraft Cockpit button-ology and fast and accurate pilot response times
is a must for combat pilot and aircraft to preform with the required
edge. The aircraft manufactures have what is called a "Cockpit
Committee" Where the chief test pilot chairs the committee with customer
pilots and such to audit, refine, reject, throw out, have made better,
......ect ect. To make the aircraft a workable weapon. If the software
guys had there way it would take 106 button pushes to perform the
simplest things. The Cockpit Committee has the authority to make the
hardware designers and software engineering groups make the aircraft
work with the right stuff.

I just bought a new type scanner for trunk tracking, and general all
round monitoring. What a different way of doing things. I had to relearn
a few things. But still the scanner radio is user hostile. But if a
complex combat cockpit can be made to be user friendly, then so can a
radio.

Many amateur radios are way too complicated as the manufacture leans on
the hardware designers and software guys to make it all work with less
buttons then on my shirt. A sad mistake.

My 2M 440 HT here feed to Mr. Band saw, was done after normal operating.
http://www.a1antennas.com/humor2.html

I didn't get a picture of my Yause FT 2600 2M radio with the fire ax
resting thru it in a tree stump.

Jay in the Mojave