On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT SideBand wrote:


Not so sure they're 100% illegal:

1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a
CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not
have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry.

2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the
end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are
not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of
these sections.

You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them
out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct.

-SSB


Yup. The rules clearly state INTERNAL modifications.
It says nothing of external add ons.
However, it does state, "NO SOUND EFFECTS".
So after a 10 minute disertation, you end with, "This is a radio check. beep
beep".

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itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Rule 13 - Illegal Communications

{A} You must NOT use a CB station-
[1] in connection with activity which is against federal, state
or
local law;
[2] to transmit obscene, indecent or profane words, language or
meaning;
[3] to interfere intentionally with the communications of
another CB
station;
[4] to transmit one-way communications, EXCEPT for emergency
communications, traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks) or
voice paging;
[5] to advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or services;
[6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material
to
amuse or entertain;
[7] to transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention;
[8] to transmit the word "MAYDAY" or use any other
international
distress signal, EXCEPT when your station is located in a ship,
aircraft or other vehicle which is threatened with GRAVE AND
IMMINENT danger and you are requesting IMMEDIATE assistance.
[9] to communicate with, or ATTEMPT to communicate with, any
CB
station more than 155.3 miles (250 kilometers) away
[10] to advertise a political candidate or political campaign
(You
may use your CB radio for the business or organizational aspects of
a campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules);
[11] to communicate with stations in other countries, except
stations in Canada (on General Radio Service).
[12] to transmit a false or deceptive communication.
{B} You must not use a CB station to transmit communications
intended for live or delayed rebroadcast on radio or television.
You may use your CB station to gather news items or to prepare
programs.



Rule 25 - Modifications to Transmitters

{A} You must not make or have any one else make any internal
modification to your CB transmitter.
{B} Internal modification does NOT include:
[1] Repair, or servicing of a CB station transmitter; or
[2] Changing plug-in modules which were type-accepted as part
of
your CB transmitter
{C} You must not operate a CB transmitter which has been modified by
anyone in any way, including modification to operate on unauthorized
frequencies or with illegal power.


Not so sure they're 100% illegal:

1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on
a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do
not have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry.

2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling
the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract
attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any
part of either of these sections.

You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them
out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct.

-SSB

Please do not confuse him with facts.

I just posted the facts Randy sorry you don't agree with them he posted
his opinion. since when is opinion facts? snif sniff ... hey randy you
stink....

Look in the middle of the picture of the back of the radio. See the FCC
ID?

http://cbworldinformer.com/200107/dx...anel_clsup.htm

OOPppps, that was too factual LOL!!!!

Landshark


Start you usual sexual innuendoes, vulgar language he



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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote:


[6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to
amuse or entertain;
[7] to transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention;


Not so sure they're 100% illegal:

1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a
CB radio.

True.

External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not
have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry.

They can also add echo and other sound effects which are clearly an
"amusement" device. The FCC knows that it cannot certify every
conceivable accessory that might be connected to the mike jack. So
they regulate what you transmit, not what gets connected to the radio.


2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the
end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are
not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of
these sections.

This is where the controversy is. Your assessment is valid, and it
would seem that since the FCC has allowed ETS signals on FRS radios,
(which also fall under part 95) that it would also stand to reason
that they would allow them on class "D" CB as well. The question is
why have they not made their position clear in the form of a rule
modification?

A valid ETS signal should consist of no more than a single short beep.
The multiple "K" beeps and those sequential musical tones clearly
still fall within the "amusement" category.

Many years ago the FCC stated that they considered ANY tone signal
other than one used for selective calling as "unnecessary" and
therefore illegal. They may have softened their position on it since.
This was back in the days before roger beeps became popular, but
little devices known as "birdies" were prevalent.

But it's evidently not clear to most radio manufacturers since, with
the exception of the Galaxy (Galaxy also has a reputation for pushing
the limits of the law) radio, no other domestic type accepted/approved
CB radio has an ETS as standard equipment. One has to wonder why that
is, if they are clearly legal.

In any case, the FCC does not seem to be overly interested in much
concerning CB radio these days.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:04:53 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote:


[6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to
amuse or entertain;


It's illegal because any form of free entertainment or amusement is a
direct attack on the free-enterprise system by the liberals who want
to weaken the corporate stronghold on the entertainment industry. So
the US government (whose sole purpose is to "protect, facilitate and
represent our interests in the world market") has disallowed any free
entertainment and amusement in non-profit venues, including CB radio.

How could you not see that, Dave?

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:15:17 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in
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Hey Frank, stfu you ****ing assclown, you are really starting to sound
like a real jerkoff.


"....starting"? Damn, I thought I had that 'jerkoff' routine pegged a
couple years ago!

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"SideBand" wrote in message
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itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Rule 13 - Illegal Communications

{A} You must NOT use a CB station-
[1] in connection with activity which is against federal,
state or
local law;
[2] to transmit obscene, indecent or profane words, language
or
meaning;
[3] to interfere intentionally with the communications of
another CB
station;
[4] to transmit one-way communications, EXCEPT for emergency
communications, traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks) or
voice paging;
[5] to advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or
services; [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or
any material to
amuse or entertain;
[7] to transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention;
[8] to transmit the word "MAYDAY" or use any other
international
distress signal, EXCEPT when your station is located in a ship,
aircraft or other vehicle which is threatened with GRAVE AND
IMMINENT danger and you are requesting IMMEDIATE assistance.
[9] to communicate with, or ATTEMPT to communicate with, any
CB
station more than 155.3 miles (250 kilometers) away
[10] to advertise a political candidate or political campaign
(You
may use your CB radio for the business or organizational aspects
of a campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules);
[11] to communicate with stations in other countries, except
stations in Canada (on General Radio Service).
[12] to transmit a false or deceptive communication.
{B} You must not use a CB station to transmit communications
intended for live or delayed rebroadcast on radio or television.
You may use your CB station to gather news items or to prepare
programs.



Rule 25 - Modifications to Transmitters

{A} You must not make or have any one else make any internal
modification to your CB transmitter.
{B} Internal modification does NOT include:
[1] Repair, or servicing of a CB station transmitter; or
[2] Changing plug-in modules which were type-accepted as part
of
your CB transmitter
{C} You must not operate a CB transmitter which has been modified
by anyone in any way, including modification to operate on
unauthorized frequencies or with illegal power.


Not so sure they're 100% illegal:

1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep
on a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this.
Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this
circuitry.

2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling
the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract
attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any
part of either of these sections.

You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put
them out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100%
correct.

-SSB

Please do not confuse him with facts.

I just posted the facts Randy sorry you don't agree with them he
posted his opinion. since when is opinion facts? snif sniff ... hey
randy you stink....

Look in the middle of the picture of the back of the radio. See the
FCC ID?

Look here randy, who knows what that fcc tag is but this is right from
the horse's mouth(FCC) who do you prefer to believe???? If the FCC says
it is not type certified they most certainly should know, why do you
continue to argue your wrong and you can't stand the fact i once again
gotcha. Now if they are So "Legal" there should be plenty of them on the
market, you have all your hopes tied up in a loser. get over it I own
you.



So anyway, what tone do you like in illegal roger beeps? Personally, I
prefer 103.5, not obtrusive, and if you use a really good woofer (15" or
larger), you get that thump. 1k is way too tweety.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:37:29 GMT, "U Know Who"
wrote in :

snip
So anyway, what tone do you like in illegal roger beeps? Personally, I
prefer 103.5, not obtrusive, and if you use a really good woofer (15" or
larger), you get that thump. 1k is way too tweety.


Someone around here is using the old EBS tones with a decay of about
two seconds. Very unique.

I've been thinking about building something like a 'CB caller-ID' box.
Data could be sent at 1200 baud FSK at the beginning and end of each
transmission. That data could include an email addy, callsign, or even
just a handle. It would be really cool during a net to see the names
pop up in a list on a display.

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"SideBand" wrote in message
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itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Rule 13 - Illegal Communications

{A} You must NOT use a CB station-
[1] in connection with activity which is against federal,
state or
local law;
[2] to transmit obscene, indecent or profane words, language
or
meaning;
[3] to interfere intentionally with the communications of
another CB
station;
[4] to transmit one-way communications, EXCEPT for emergency
communications, traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks) or
voice paging;
[5] to advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or
services; [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or
any material to
amuse or entertain;
[7] to transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention;
[8] to transmit the word "MAYDAY" or use any other
international
distress signal, EXCEPT when your station is located in a ship,
aircraft or other vehicle which is threatened with GRAVE AND
IMMINENT danger and you are requesting IMMEDIATE assistance.
[9] to communicate with, or ATTEMPT to communicate with, any
CB
station more than 155.3 miles (250 kilometers) away
[10] to advertise a political candidate or political campaign
(You
may use your CB radio for the business or organizational aspects
of a campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules);
[11] to communicate with stations in other countries, except
stations in Canada (on General Radio Service).
[12] to transmit a false or deceptive communication.
{B} You must not use a CB station to transmit communications
intended for live or delayed rebroadcast on radio or television.
You may use your CB station to gather news items or to prepare
programs.



Rule 25 - Modifications to Transmitters

{A} You must not make or have any one else make any internal
modification to your CB transmitter.
{B} Internal modification does NOT include:
[1] Repair, or servicing of a CB station transmitter; or
[2] Changing plug-in modules which were type-accepted as part
of
your CB transmitter
{C} You must not operate a CB transmitter which has been modified
by anyone in any way, including modification to operate on
unauthorized frequencies or with illegal power.


Not so sure they're 100% illegal:

1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep
on a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this.
Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this
circuitry.

2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling
the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract
attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any
part of either of these sections.

You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put
them out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100%
correct.

-SSB

Please do not confuse him with facts.

I just posted the facts Randy sorry you don't agree with them he
posted his opinion. since when is opinion facts? snif sniff ... hey
randy you stink....

Look in the middle of the picture of the back of the radio. See the
FCC ID?

Look here randy, who knows what that fcc tag is but this is right from
the horse's mouth(FCC) who do you prefer to believe???? If the FCC says
it is not type certified they most certainly should know, why do you
continue to argue your wrong and you can't stand the fact i once again
gotcha. Now if they are So "Legal" there should be plenty of them on the
market, you have all your hopes tied up in a loser. get over it I own
you.



So anyway, what tone do you like in illegal roger beeps? Personally, I
prefer 103.5, not obtrusive, and if you use a really good woofer (15" or
larger), you get that thump. 1k is way too tweety.


Too funny. Dave even has proved him wrong
with the statement about FRS having it and they fall under
part 95, same as CB.

http://www.dragondistributing.com/co...talkradios.htm

Everyone of the COBRA FRS radio's have a roger beep,
again, FCC certified & falls under part 95 rules


http://www.dragondistributing.com/co...talkradios.htm

Wow! Midland's are FCC certified and have a roger beep

Hey, MURS has roger beeps, FCC Certified and falls under
part 95...................... LOL!!!! He'll continue to argue, just to
argue.



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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:37:29 GMT, "U Know Who"
wrote in :

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So anyway, what tone do you like in illegal roger beeps? Personally, I
prefer 103.5, not obtrusive, and if you use a really good woofer (15" or
larger), you get that thump. 1k is way too tweety.



Someone around here is using the old EBS tones with a decay of about
two seconds. Very unique.

I've been thinking about building something like a 'CB caller-ID' box.
Data could be sent at 1200 baud FSK at the beginning and end of each
transmission. That data could include an email addy, callsign, or even
just a handle. It would be really cool during a net to see the names
pop up in a list on a display.



That'd be neat, except that FSK isn't an authorized emission type on
CB... Shame, that, too..It'd be neat to see FSK and PSK on the regular
40 channels.

-SSB

Richard wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT SideBand wrote:



Not so sure they're 100% illegal:


1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a
CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not
have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry.


2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the
end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are
not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of
these sections.


You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them
out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct.


-SSB



Yup. The rules clearly state INTERNAL modifications.
It says nothing of external add ons.
However, it does state, "NO SOUND EFFECTS".
So after a 10 minute disertation, you end with, "This is a radio check. beep
beep".


It does say "no sound effects" in that you are correct. But if you read
to the end of the sentence, it also says that said sound effects should
not be to entertain, etc, etc, etc...

I stand by my statement that a roger beep used for its intended purpose,
which is to signify the end of a transmission, is not illegal. Annoying
as hell in some cases, but not illegal.

-SSB