On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:57:00 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:57:04 -0800, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:04:53 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote: [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; It's illegal because any form of free entertainment or amusement is a direct attack on the free-enterprise system by the liberals who want to weaken the corporate stronghold on the entertainment industry. So the US government (whose sole purpose is to "protect, facilitate and represent our interests in the world market") has disallowed any free entertainment and amusement in non-profit venues, including CB radio. How could you not see that, Dave? Give it a rest Frank. We're not talking about politics anymore. I see that -you- aren't talking about politics anymore because you refuse to accept any facts; e.g., the fact here is that you are looking at the wrong rule: This is where the controversy is. Your assessment is valid, and it would seem that since the FCC has allowed ETS signals on FRS radios, (which also fall under part 95) that it would also stand to reason that they would allow them on class "D" CB as well. The question is why have they not made their position clear in the form of a rule modification? FRS radios have such tones because they are permitted by this rule: "Sec. 95.193 (b) The FRS unit may transmit tones to make contact or to continue communications with a particular FRS unit....." CB radio has an identical rule: "Sec. 95.412 (b) You may use your CB station to transmit a tone signal only when the signal is used to make contact or to continue communications....." So it should be obvious that if any radio with a "roger-beep" is accepted, the tone is considered to be a tool that is used to -facilitate- communications, a purpose which is consistent with the above rule(s). And another fact: I brought this same issue to your attention almost a year ago..... in -THIS- newsgroup. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:53:58 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:15:17 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote in : snip Hey Frank, stfu you ****ing assclown, you are really starting to sound like a real jerkoff. "....starting"? Damn, I thought I had that 'jerkoff' routine pegged a couple years ago! No you are sounding more and more like tipsy everyday I am sorry to say. I wouldnt have expect that from you of all people. News flash: I don't write my posts to conform with your expectations. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Tone Squelch -Is a generic name for many "Sub-audible tone systems". Don't you mean CTCSS? |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:36:38 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : Twistedhed Gilliland wrote in FRS radios have such tones because they are permitted by this rule: You are getting like twisty more and more each day Go snip some more of the FCC text so it doesnt include the part about selcal and tone operated suelch. You will stoop to twisty levles to prove your right when your wrong, assclown. Speak for yourself. You conveniently snipped where I said, "....if any radio with a "roger-beep" is accepted....", the keyword being "if". |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
SideBand wrote in news:jqhHd.16384$_X7.6881 @newssvr33.news.prodigy.com: itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: Tone Squelch -Is a generic name for many "Sub-audible tone systems". Don't you mean CTCSS? No Tone Squelch -Is a generic name for many "Sub-audible tone systems". The principle is that a receiver will not allow any audio to be routed to the speaker unless it is accompanied by the appropriate sub-audible tone. (Also see: CTCSS, ETS & PL) CTCSS - "Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System" CTCSS is a series of sub-audible tones which are standard on most new radios. An audible cousin of CTCSS is DTMF. These tones often perform control functions. Some repeaters may require a sub-audible tone before activating, others use it to perform functions such as turning all trunks on and off when a specific tone is present. (Also see: Tone Squelch, ETS & PL) ETS - "Electronic Tone Squelch" is the Canadian Marconi Company version of tone squelch. ETS is a series of sub-audible tones which has the ability of performing control functions. (Also see, Tone Squelch, CTCSS & PL.) Do I need to point it out? Am I the only one that sees it? According to your first "definition" up there, Sub-Audible Tone System (SATS) = CTCSS = PL. In fact, all of my ICOM and Alinco manuals equate PL with CTCSS and define them with the same definition you attribute to SATS. Or were you confusing CTCSS with DTS? |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 ..... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad |
"Chad Wahls" wrote in message
oups.com... itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad Game, set, and match! For what it's woth, Chad...I too despise roger beeps ggg -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384 QRP ARCI #11782 |
Chad Wahls wrote:
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 : "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad OOps... Wonder if he'll admit he was wrong now? A real man would. -SSB |
"Chad Wahls" wrote in message oups.com... itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad Suck my nads, George. |
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:17:33 GMT, "U Know Who"
wrote in : snip Suck my nads, George. It occurs to me that he may be right. Just because the radio includes a roger-beep (or some other noise function) may not exclude it from an equipment authorization because the operator can turn it off. |
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