In article , Walt Davidson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:53:39 +1100, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote:

If you support the landline linking of repeaters then you MUST also support
the IRLP system, it is the exact same concept except using technology that
makes it affordable to almost every ham....

But we don't. We don't support repeaters at all. It was when voice
repeaters were introduced on the 2m and 70cm bands in the early
seventies that the rot began to set in.

73 de G3NYY


Well finally we see your colours. Anything this side of 1950 must really
hurt your point of view. I'm sorry for calling you a **TROLL*, your
simply stuck in a time warp....you just dont know any better

In article , Walt Davidson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:44:07 GMT, Concerned Amateur
wrote:

Sure olle Bean, I would love to live in a country that never sees sunshine..

That is preferable to living in the country with the world's highest
incidence of skin cancer.

And I am not Bean. You are thinking of someone else!
;-)

73 de G3NYY


You put on a hat and shirt to stop the sun. In your part of the UK, you
sit inside with the heater on.....I'd rather live outside than forever
under grey skies.

Then again, this is where you get all this time to get bitter and
twisted about AR definitions and post so prolifically..nothing
better to do, dreary old life....

Come down to OZ and your skin might stop looking so pale....

In article , Walt Davidson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:27:30 +1100, "nana" wrote:


Applying that logic, if a licensed amateur speaks on a cellphone,
that's ham radio.

Well, applying USA logic, if I had a phone patch from a cellphone to a 2m
radio, then yes, it would still be Ham Radio. Just as their LL phones
patched into their repeaters are classed as Ham Radio. There is NO
difference.

Well, fortunately phone patch is NOT amateur radio in this country.
Hopefully, it never will be.

73 de G3NYY


Yes, I wish Amateur Radio would live in a vacuum too and that I could
ignore everything else around me like you do....

You must live in an amazing world.....

In article , Martin, VK2UMJ wrote:

People like YOU are the main reason newcomers decide to dump ham radio or
not even start in the first place. Stuck up, pompass, arrogant old fossils
stuck in the past and unwilling to even consider new or changing technology.
I guess you also have your very own group of fellow hams (those that haven't
been moved to a nursing home yet) that you regularly chat to on HF, refusing
to admit any newcomers to the QSO because, let's face it, if they didn't
have to totally build their own radio using nothing but safety pins,
paperclips and the wire from an old AM wireless, AND have a written
reference from Morse himself, then they just aren't hams, are they....

Oh, and by the way, you really need to keep up with the thread - some of
your fellow 'debaters' have already admitted that repeater linking by
landline is perfectly acceptable, so you can't even manage to get your own
side to agree with your opinions!! What a JOKE!!!

Sorry Walt, but IMHO (In My Humble Opinion for the oldies) ham radio would
be far better without YOU, and those like YOU. Otherwise, the hobby will no
doubt die as operators like you constantly alienate new technology and
newcomers alike. Hope you enjoy the onset of BPL!!!

Martin

Your correct with your posting, olle **GRUMPY** here has finally
shown us the colours of his bloomers and we can see, its not IRLP thats
the problem, he's just unhappy he's continued breathing beyond 1970.

You cant expect more when life is boring and it always rains, you get
crotch rot and it appears olle Walty has a bad dose of it.

It was only a matter of time before we worked out what was **REALLY**
driving him....and I thought he was a **TROLL**.. just a plain
unhappy POM......

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:44:07 GMT, Concerned Amateur
wrote:

Sure olle Bean, I would love to live in a country that never sees
sunshine..

That is preferable to living in the country with the world's highest
incidence of skin cancer.

only for those people who migrate
from old dart and europe.

Alf VK5ZKL



And I am not Bean. You are thinking of someone else!
;-)

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:53:39 +1100, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote:

If you support the landline linking of repeaters then you MUST also
support the IRLP system, it is the exact same concept except using
technology that makes it affordable to almost every ham....

But we don't. We don't support repeaters at all. It was when voice
repeaters were introduced on the 2m and 70cm bands in the early
seventies that the rot began to set in.

It was when voice repeaters were introduced on the 2m and 70cm bands that
amateur radio finally began to realise it's true potential!

G-S

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:44:07 GMT, Concerned Amateur
wrote:

Sure olle Bean, I would love to live in a country that never sees
sunshine..

That is preferable to living in the country with the world's highest
incidence of skin cancer.

And I am not Bean. You are thinking of someone else!

You talk like Bean though!


G-S VK3DMN

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:48:24 GMT, Concerned Amateur
wrote:

IRLP is an **extension** of Hamradio, get over it....

IRLP is a malignant carbuncle on the once-respected hobby of amateur
radio. We need to get rid of it without delay before the cancer
spreads farther.

That won't happen. What will happen is that the old dinosaurs who have held
back amateur radio from advancing into the 21st century will finally die
off and then we won't have to listen to the whinging from them anymore :-)


G-S VK3DMN

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:27:30 +1100, "nana" wrote:


Applying that logic, if a licensed amateur speaks on a cellphone,
that's ham radio.

Well, applying USA logic, if I had a phone patch from a cellphone to a 2m
radio, then yes, it would still be Ham Radio. Just as their LL phones
patched into their repeaters are classed as Ham Radio. There is NO
difference.

Well, fortunately phone patch is NOT amateur radio in this country.
Hopefully, it never will be.

Hopefully it will be here, and I'm sure many amateurs would wish it will be
in the land of the eternally whinging!


G-S VK3DMN

"nana" wrote:


The IRLP CANNOT be accessed by others. It is STRICTLY designed for radio to
radio access only.
ECHOLINK can be accessed by others and is NOT the topic of conversation.


Just for the record, everyone on Echolink (links and individuals
alike) have been validated by one of the Echolink validation team. I'm
not sure that it is really necessary, but it happens. So, like it or
not, there's very little chance of a non-licenced person using
Echolink.

.... and (lest we forget) what does it really matter anyway? ...

This is a hobby. There are authorities whose job it is to ensure only
those with licences transmit. We are just end users of the service.

I for one don't really care whether the chap at the other end actually
has a licence or not providing he sounds and behaves like a radio
amateur. I will not hesitate to talk to someone who gives a callsign
and sounds like an amateur. I pay my licence, and leave it to the
authorities to sort out if he is bona fide or not.

Here, we pay to renew our licences every year. How is someone supposed
to know whether someone who was a bona fide amateur has paid for the
forthcoming year. Of course, we don't know, but if he behaves like an
amateur, we assume he is licenced.

73,
--
Chris