On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote:

What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over
the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part
of the hobby.

There are probably thousands of 6 MHz (and other) pirates and
illegal CB-ers around. Are you saying they too are a valid part of
the hobby?

73 de Jock.
--
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
- Aldous Huxley (1894-1963)

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:59:45 -0000, "Brian Reay"
wrote:

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...


It seems to me the ONLY person here having a problem is Brian.

The problem I have is understanding the bitterness I see over something
that, for most people, would rank below picking tomorrow's breakfast
cereal. . If someone wants to call VOIP 'amateur radio' so what?

Because it demeans the hobby and brings it down to a level akin to that
of CB. That doesn't bother you?

73 de Jock.
--
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
- Aldous Huxley (1894-1963)

"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Brian Reay wrote:



Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come
back
when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you.

Untill then, 'mellow out'.


Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?


I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP
impacts
you, why worry?

Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of
the
hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to
have
found a niche they really do like.


--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898



There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I
hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio.

And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not.

So there.

Dan/W4NTI

What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of the
hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur
Radio.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining about.
Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE
TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO. DON'T
CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI

"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...

[SNIP]

Gawd Almighty you Ausies are a thick headed bunch, ain't ya?

Ham RADIO is communications with a RADIO or a RADIO system.

INTERNET is communications with a NETWORK of interconnected computers
organized in such a manner to send "packets" of data world-wide.

Do you see any mention of RADIO there?

Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet
Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website
describing IRLP, not an Aussie site...

A quote from the irlp.net website:

"The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur
radio systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites."

So, next question?


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

Not a question, a statement. If it is linked by ANY means other than
radio, it is not ham radio. End of discussion.

Dan/W4NTI

"Jock." wrote in message
...

Because it demeans the hobby and brings it down to a level akin to that
of CB. That doesn't bother you?


Firstly I don't agree that VOIP systems brings a "CB element" to the hobby,
any more than any other facet does.

Secondly, if I look across all the bad elements I've come across in the
hobby, only a few entered it via the CB route.

--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining
about. Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE
MORE TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO.
DON'T CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI


There are mighty linked repeater networks across the USA. These are Ham
Radio?
If I choose to link two Ham Radio Repeaters via a landline - This isn't Ham
Radio? Even though two Ham Radio service areas may be served?

I've been using my computers on PSK31, but one is in the family room,
connected to this computer via CAT5 cable, and then to my HF radio. Is this
NOT Ham Radio?

You guys have a very NARROW view of what constitutes Ham Radio. It appears
that NOTHING less than a 100% Radio circuit is good enough for you, yet if
you analyse systems around the world, MANY are not 100% Radio.

Brad.

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...

[SNIP]

Gawd Almighty you Ausies are a thick headed bunch, ain't ya?

Ham RADIO is communications with a RADIO or a RADIO system.

INTERNET is communications with a NETWORK of interconnected computers
organized in such a manner to send "packets" of data world-wide.

Do you see any mention of RADIO there?

Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet
Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website
describing IRLP, not an Aussie site...

A quote from the irlp.net website:

"The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur
radio systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites."

So, next question?


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

Not a question, a statement. If it is linked by ANY means other than
radio, it is not ham radio. End of discussion.

Dan/W4NTI

So basically, what you're saying is that if you have a few repeaters linked
together by a landline, then those ham repeaters aren't ham radio? Or if a
club likes to control a repeater site via a phone line, then that too isn't
ham radio?

I used to be very active on the TCP/IP packet nets, using my VHF radio and
TNC to link to a gateway and on into the world wide converse net. Again, the
very thing you say isn't ham radio.

I'd say your definition is way too pure for the rest of us hobbyists, and
we'll all keep right on enjoying the part of our *hobby* that we find we
like the best, and if that just happens to be IRLP, Echolink, SSTV, CW, ATV
or whatever other mode/method then, sorry, that's the way it is. Deal with
it.

Kate vk4xyl

Jock. wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote:


What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over
the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part
of the hobby.


There are probably thousands of 6 MHz (and other) pirates and
illegal CB-ers around. Are you saying they too are a valid part of
the hobby?

73 de Jock.

You are a *FOOL*, what has that got to do with *LICENSED* operators
using IRLP?

You really are clutching at straws now. **** off and leave IRLP alone,
it does *NOT* interfere with your use of Amateur Radio in anyway what so
ever.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

Walt Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM
wrote:


What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over
the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part
of the hobby.


There are plenty of CBers all over the world, but that doesn't prove
CB is part of amateur radio.

73 de G3NYY

You are clutching at straws now, only *LICENSED* Amateur operators can
use IRLP, so why bring CB into it.

IRLP does *NOT* interfere with your use of Amateur Radio, so **** off
and leave it alone!


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...



"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Brian Reay wrote:




Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come
back
when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you.

Untill then, 'mellow out'.


Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?


I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP
impacts
you, why worry?

Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of
the
hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to
have
found a niche they really do like.


--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898



There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I
hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio.

And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not.

So there.

Dan/W4NTI

What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of the
hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur
Radio.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining about.
Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE
TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO. DON'T
CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI

You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/