Walt Davidson wrote:

IRLP is a malignant carbuncle on the once-respected hobby of amateur
radio. We need to get rid of it without delay before the cancer
spreads farther.


What a familiar refrain!

If newsgroups and the internet had been about when the repeater
network was started in the early 1970s, I bet you'd have said exactly
the same thing about them too!

The frequencies of internet links and repeaters are well publisised,
and it is easy for anyone with even a small brian to avoid using those
frequencies and get on with whatever parts of the hobby turn you on.

73,
--
Chris

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:28:17 +1100, G-S wrote:

It was when voice repeaters were introduced on the 2m and 70cm bands that
amateur radio finally began to realise it's true potential ....

Yes, very true.

Repeaters are a crutch for the lazy and inept who don't have
sufficient technical expertise to make a radio contact without using a
relay station. IRLP is pretty much the same.

And what makes you think I lack sufficient technical expertise to operate a
radio or build a radio or accessories? I have done all those in the past.
I have demonstrated those skills... I choose to use a more modern method
because it is simply better and more efficient!

G-S VK3DMN

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:30:48 GMT, Concerned Amateur
wrote:

But we don't. We don't support repeaters at all. It was when voice
repeaters were introduced on the 2m and 70cm bands in the early
seventies that the rot began to set in.

73 de G3NYY


Well finally we see your colours. Anything this side of 1950 must really
hurt your point of view. I'm sorry for calling you a **TROLL*, your
simply stuck in a time warp....you just dont know any better

Repeaters were the beginning of the CB-ization of the amateur bands.
It's been a downhill slide ever since.

You really have a bee in your bonet about CBers don't you!

They are simply not relevant to amateur radio or the issues being discussed
here.


G-S VK3DMN

Martin, VK2UMJ wrote:


If you wish to argue against systems that allow access from the internet
rather than from & to radio, then please go pick on EchoLink..

Hee Hee, do I smell a deflection tactic here?

Before you go and pick on Echolink, and if you don't want to appear a
total prat, be sure to comprehend that everyone using Echolink has
been validated by a team of people, and in many cases, have been asked
to send a scan of their licences before getting access to the system.

73,
--
Chris

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:23:43 GMT, "wonderer"
wrote:

only for those people who migrate
from old dart and europe.

Alf VK5ZKL

I thought that was where you all migrated from, OM ... although some
of you had no choice in the matter!

Australia is a vibrant multi cultural society... we are _proud_ of being
mongrels... and basic genetic knowledge shows that crossbreeding generally
strengthens the breed... unlike restricted inbreeding!


G-S VK3DMN

Walt Davidson wrote:


But we don't. We don't support repeaters at all. It was when voice
repeaters were introduced on the 2m and 70cm bands in the early
seventies that the rot began to set in.



No, the rot set in in the 1960s when many newly licenced G3R and G3S
stations started flouting the rules by flagrantly exceeding the 400
watt output power limit on top band. Lets ban Top Band instead. g


--
Chris

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:33:24 +1100, G-S wrote:

That won't happen. What will happen is that the old dinosaurs who have
held back amateur radio from advancing into the 21st century will finally
die off and then we won't have to listen to the whinging from them anymore
:-)


G-S VK3DMN

What a familiar refrain!

Glad to hear you have enlighted people over there also!

If I hadn't seen the callsign, I could have
sworn it emanated from one of the usual M3/CB/Fools' Licence
apologists that frequent uk.radio.amateur. Obviously they have the
same problems down under as we experience here.

I've been licensed over 25 years, full call for almost that long. For
almost that long I've been lobbying and arguing for the changes that you
complain so much about.

I am pleased that the amateur community is finally coming to it's senses and
implementing some of the measures that I and other forward thinking
amateurs have been arguing in support of for so long :-)


G-S VK3DMN

"Chris Kirby" wrote in message
...
"nana" wrote:


The IRLP CANNOT be accessed by others. It is STRICTLY designed for radio
to
radio access only.
ECHOLINK can be accessed by others and is NOT the topic of conversation.


Just for the record, everyone on Echolink (links and individuals
alike) have been validated by one of the Echolink validation team. I'm
not sure that it is really necessary, but it happens. So, like it or
not, there's very little chance of a non-licenced person using
Echolink.

... and (lest we forget) what does it really matter anyway? ...

This is a hobby. There are authorities whose job it is to ensure only
those with licences transmit. We are just end users of the service.

I for one don't really care whether the chap at the other end actually
has a licence or not providing he sounds and behaves like a radio
amateur. I will not hesitate to talk to someone who gives a callsign
and sounds like an amateur. I pay my licence, and leave it to the
authorities to sort out if he is bona fide or not.

I must say that I have to disagree with you on this point OM. If we, as the
hobbyists, have little interest in the use of the bands by 'pirates', then
why should the authorities be concerned. Amateur Radio has, in most parts
of the world, always been largely "self regulating" which means it is
primarily up to us, the users, to ensure the bands are used properly and
report any unlawful operations to the authorities. This is largely because
we, as licensed amateurs, are supposedly "responsible persons" that are more
than capable of taking care of "our hobby"

If we show little interst in this, you can be assured the bands will fall
into disarray and the authorities will start to regard us as no more than
CBers with more frequencies.


Here, we pay to renew our licences every year. How is someone supposed
to know whether someone who was a bona fide amateur has paid for the
forthcoming year. Of course, we don't know, but if he behaves like an
amateur, we assume he is licenced.

Callbooks, databases, common knowledge. I do not mean to say that we should
be 100% certain of all contacts, or that we should go 'out of our way' to
check every single contact, but by the same token we should NEVER adopt the
attitude "it's not my problem" and "I don't care if he is licensed or not".
They are very dangerous attitudes to have and will, eventually, spell the
end of Amateur Radio. What reason do we give newcomers to study and sit
their exam if they know you will talk to them anyway? We might as well just
change the bands to CB now and open it up to anyone - that is basically what
you are advocating.

Now, open the debates!!


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au"


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"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:30:48 GMT, Concerned Amateur
wrote:

But we don't. We don't support repeaters at all. It was when voice
repeaters were introduced on the 2m and 70cm bands in the early
seventies that the rot began to set in.

73 de G3NYY


Well finally we see your colours. Anything this side of 1950 must really
hurt your point of view. I'm sorry for calling you a **TROLL*, your
simply stuck in a time warp....you just dont know any better

Repeaters were the beginning of the CB-ization of the amateur bands.
It's been a downhill slide ever since.

So, if you don't support repeaters, so supposedly don't listen to them, and
IRLP is primarily linking repeaters, then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU CRAPPING
ON???

You obviously are NOT affected by IRLP - you don't use repeaters, and by the
sounds of it probably nothing above HF bands either, so IRLP is NOT a
concern to you! You are just a typical whinging dickhead that has to stir
as many people as possible - in short a TROLL. I think the best bet is to
killfile you AND list your callsign amongst those to ignore on air, but then
I would not be able to laugh at the continuous rantings you keep coming up
with in a futile attempt to justfy your own shortcomings.

Repeaters are a crutch for the lazy and inept who don't have
sufficient technical expertise to make a radio contact without using a
relay station. IRLP is pretty much the same.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

That is so much ******** Walt, it defies reason. That is trolling at it's
finest.

This country is 31.5 times larger than the UK, those vast distances require
much better systems for any sort of coverage and repeaters are the way to do
it. Whilst I operate 40m mobile a lot, it isn't the total solution, nor is
the simplex VHF coverage due to hilly terrain.

Brad.