In article , Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Brian Reay wrote:


Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come back
when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you.

Untill then, 'mellow out'.


Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away when
someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned amateur"
typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Probably so.

Dan/W4NTI


Your ability to draw useless conclusions is only surpassed by the lack
of any support you seem to be able to muster in your fight for *TRUTH,
JUSTICE and the American WAY* :-)

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:56:26 +1100, G-S wrote:

Well If I use IRLP (and I don't contest btw) then I talk into my "radio"
and someone else talks into thier "radio"

"Talking into thier radio" (sic) is what CBers do. Radio hams
*operate* their radios .... and sometimes even build them.

I am an unrestricted call (any A, B, C, D or E after the number is), I have
built and used radios, power supplies, tuners, antennas, computers (using
linux os's) and other sundry bits and pieces.

I also continue to talk into my radios and type into my computers.

Operate is much too general a term to refer to the act of speaking into a
microphone. Operate refers to the station as a whole.

I used them and continue to use them alongside my store bought gear.

The middle bit is "packets" like my old VFH "packet" radio

A VFH packet radio? Is that some kind of CB rig?

A VHF packet radio... it's a radio I _built_ specifically for packet
operation.

G-S VK3DMN

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:24:16 -0500, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?

They are very typical, Mike. They all have one thing in common ...
they are CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.

Actually I very seldom use IRLP, I just dislike people trying to split our
hobby into so called real amateur radio operators and the others.

Which is why (despite having passed the full speed morse requirement when it
existed here) I was a strong supporter of the removal of the morse
requirement for HF.


G-S VK3DMN

Spike wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM wrote:

What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over
the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part
of the hobby.

It might be 'popular'. That doesn't make it 'valid'.

You need a better argument with which to defend your position.

Actually what is normal or what is part of society (or subsets like amateur
radio) is decided on consensus.

If the consensus of the majority is that IRLP is amateur radio then it is
valid, if the consensus is that it is not then it is not valid.

Over here at least anecdotally IRLP is supported by the majority of amateur
radio operators.


G-S VK3DMN

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:03:42 +1100, Simon VK3XEM
wrote:

What is there to debate, there is a large network of IRLP nodes all over
the world on Amateur Radio which proves it is a popular and valid part
of the hobby.

There are plenty of CBers all over the world, but that doesn't prove
CB is part of amateur radio.

However, to use IRLP you must be a licensed amateur AND be using amateur
frequencies. Those facts alone make it just as much a part of the amateur
radio service as Packet, RTTY, SSTV, repeater linking, etc, etc, etc, etc...

If you so strongly disagree then perhaps you need to take your debate to
those that regulate the service, rather than just those that use it......

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:24:16 -0500, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?

They are very typical, Mike. They all have one thing in common ...
they are CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.

Please provide the evidence and proof to back up this claim, otherwise it is
no better than the rambling of any other decrepid old fool...

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:05:46 +1100, "Martin, VK2UMJ"
wrote:

Yes, as a matter of fact, because the correct name for IRLP is Internet
Radio Linking Project. See www.irlp.net Note that is a USA website
describing IRLP, not an Aussie site...

A quote from the irlp.net website:

"The aim of this project is to reliably and inexpensively link amateur
radio
systems without the use of RF links, leased lines, or satellites."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Without the use of RF links".

The full name for "RF" is "Radio Frequency".

So that rules out radio, then.

link amateur radio
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Unless you are referring to a different "amateur radio" then that is the
part that forms the RF or "Radio Frequency"


Next question?

Are just dumb, or have trouble accepting everyone different to yourself??

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
.net...


It seems to me the ONLY person here having a problem is Brian.

The problem I have is understanding the bitterness I see over something
that, for most people, would rank below picking tomorrow's breakfast
cereal. . If someone wants to call VOIP 'amateur radio' so what?

All I can assume is that you sole status in life is rooted in your
'position' as a radio amateur and you see the use of the term amateur radio
applied to VOIP some how devalues that status. If that is so, you have
more important things to worry about.

--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

Walt Davidson wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:36:25 GMT, Concerned Amateur
wrote:

Your about as relevant as the Monarchy....[NOT]

Interesting, then, that a majority of Australians voted to keep the
Monarchy last time they were asked.

I wonder what proportion of Brits would vote to keep on allowing
Aussies to come and live in the UK, if we were asked the question.

Aussies haven't had an automatic right for that for quite a while now
(except for those with parents who have citizenship in the UK).


G-S VK3DMN

"Jock." wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:33:23 GMT, "Ashley VK3HAG"
wrote:

"Jock." wrote in message
. ..

I very much doubt it. I cannot imagine why I would want to write about
this sort of nonsense.

International IRLP Contest starts at 1101 AEDT (0001z) today, March 18,
2005. Over 100 nodes worldwide now participating with more joining
daily..details, contest rules & regs can be found at
http://kg4zxk.com/index.php or http://www.qsl.net/vk3irl/ as can a
pre-formatted log sheet and what contacts equal what points.

Join in this new and fascinating way of communicating. The contest
concludes at the closing of the IRLP Conference in Las Vegas, April 17,
2005.

------%-----

73 de Jock.
--
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
- Aldous Huxley (1894-1963)

Whether it is radio or not, if you are not a fan of contests, (and I am
not), then those contesting via IRLP may well result in a decrease in HF
radio traffic, leaving the DX clear for others. Which I appreciate...

So, long live IRLP !!!!!

Cheers and 73,

Stan, G4EGH.