Gregg wrote:
Behold, Tim Wescott signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
There's just not enough VHF homebrew out there!

IMHO, we can thank that no-code licence that restricts you to
commercially-made equipment for this.


There is actually a lot of HB associated with VHF, but the effort just
doesn't happen to go into building QRP transceivers.

Code proficiency is totally irrelevant to that. Some of this country's
most advanced VHF homebrewers have held a no-code licence for over 30
years. The same is true in Germany, France and several other European
countries.


--
73 from Ian G3SEK
Editor, 'The VHF/UHF DX Book'
'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB)
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek

"Ian White, G3SEK" wrote in message
...
Gregg wrote:
Behold, Tim Wescott signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
There's just not enough VHF homebrew out there!

IMHO, we can thank that no-code licence that restricts you to
commercially-made equipment for this.


There is actually a lot of HB associated with VHF, but the effort just
doesn't happen to go into building QRP transceivers.

Code proficiency is totally irrelevant to that. Some of this country's
most advanced VHF homebrewers have held a no-code licence for over 30
years. The same is true in Germany, France and several other European
countries.

Ah, but according to his URL Greg is in Canada, where IIRC the no-code
licence does NOT allow homebrew transmitters.

R J Carpenter wrote:

"Ian White, G3SEK" wrote in message
...
Gregg wrote:
Behold, Tim Wescott signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
There's just not enough VHF homebrew out there!

IMHO, we can thank that no-code licence that restricts you to
commercially-made equipment for this.


There is actually a lot of HB associated with VHF, but the effort just
doesn't happen to go into building QRP transceivers.

Code proficiency is totally irrelevant to that. Some of this country's
most advanced VHF homebrewers have held a no-code licence for over 30
years. The same is true in Germany, France and several other European
countries.

Ah, but according to his URL Greg is in Canada, where IIRC the no-code
licence does NOT allow homebrew transmitters.

But code proficiency still doesn't come into it, at all.

--
73 from Ian G3SEK 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB)
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek

"Ian White, G3SEK" wrote in message
...
R J Carpenter wrote:

"Ian White, G3SEK" wrote in message
...
Gregg wrote:
Behold, Tim Wescott signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
There's just not enough VHF homebrew out there!

IMHO, we can thank that no-code licence that restricts you to
commercially-made equipment for this.


There is actually a lot of HB associated with VHF, but the effort just
doesn't happen to go into building QRP transceivers.

Code proficiency is totally irrelevant to that. Some of this country's
most advanced VHF homebrewers have held a no-code licence for over 30
years. The same is true in Germany, France and several other European
countries.

Ah, but according to his URL Greg is in Canada, where IIRC the no-code
licence does NOT allow homebrew transmitters.

But code proficiency still doesn't come into it, at all.


Yes and no. Agreed, code proficiency is not related to the ABILITY to do
homebrew.

If, as I think is true , the authorities (Canadian) forbid you to use a
homebrew transmitter with a no-code licence, it is wrong to say that code
proficiency doesn't come into it. OK, you could build the transmitter, but
it would be illegal to use it. As an aside, I wonder what happens to a US
no-code ham with a homebrew transmitter who operates in Canada....

73 de bob w3otc

"R J Carpenter" ) writes:
"Ian White, G3SEK" wrote in message
...
R J Carpenter wrote:

"Ian White, G3SEK" wrote in message
...
Gregg wrote:
Behold, Tim Wescott signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
There's just not enough VHF homebrew out there!

IMHO, we can thank that no-code licence that restricts you to
commercially-made equipment for this.


There is actually a lot of HB associated with VHF, but the effort just
doesn't happen to go into building QRP transceivers.

Code proficiency is totally irrelevant to that. Some of this country's
most advanced VHF homebrewers have held a no-code licence for over 30
years. The same is true in Germany, France and several other European
countries.

Ah, but according to his URL Greg is in Canada, where IIRC the no-code
licence does NOT allow homebrew transmitters.

But code proficiency still doesn't come into it, at all.


Yes and no. Agreed, code proficiency is not related to the ABILITY to do
homebrew.

If, as I think is true , the authorities (Canadian) forbid you to use a
homebrew transmitter with a no-code licence, it is wrong to say that code
proficiency doesn't come into it. OK, you could build the transmitter, but
it would be illegal to use it. As an aside, I wonder what happens to a US
no-code ham with a homebrew transmitter who operates in Canada....

73 de bob w3otc


No, code has nothing to do with it.

It's the written test that determines whether or not someone can build their
own transmitter, or rather use it.

Up till 1990, there were two licenses, amateur and advanced, and each had
a code test. (Oh, there was also the digital license, introduced in 1978,
that required no code test, but was limited to only some VHF/UHF bands,
and the focus was for digital work. It barely got noticed after it was
introduced.) But then restructuring came along. The code test was spun
out, and the test for the entry level license was apparently simplified.
I've never really seen the new test, but the whole point of the
restructuring was to make it easier for newcomers to the hobby. And for
the basic license, it was decided that few were interested in building,
so there was no sense making the test to deal with such details. The tradeoff
was that you cannot use a home made transmitter with that license.

The advanced test allows for building transmitters, and higher power (a
kilowatt instead of 250W), and I think it is needed to run a repeater.

The code test was not required for either license, but then you could not
operate below 30MHz. Hence, you could have an advanced license, but not
have passed the code test, and the result was you'd have full priviliges,
but only above 30MHz.

There were two levels of code test. 5wpm got you full privileges below
4MHz, ie 160 and 80 metres, but nothing else at HF. (I think that may have
been changed, for more HF useage, but I can't remember.)

The 12wpm code test gave in effect full priviliges, minus the bits the
advanced test allowed.

So it was rather a mix and match system.

Michael VE2BVW

Sorry for the top-post, but good that a Canadian who understands their
system straightens this out.

Thanks.

bob

"Michael Black" wrote in message
...
"R J Carpenter" ) writes:

Yes and no. Agreed, code proficiency is not related to the ABILITY to
do
homebrew.

If, as I think is true , the authorities (Canadian) forbid you to use a
homebrew transmitter with a no-code licence, it is wrong to say that
code
proficiency doesn't come into it. OK, you could build the transmitter,
but
it would be illegal to use it. As an aside, I wonder what happens to a
US
no-code ham with a homebrew transmitter who operates in Canada....

73 de bob w3otc


No, code has nothing to do with it.

It's the written test that determines whether or not someone can build
their
own transmitter, or rather use it.

Up till 1990, there were two licenses, amateur and advanced, and each had
a code test. (Oh, there was also the digital license, introduced in 1978,
that required no code test, but was limited to only some VHF/UHF bands,
and the focus was for digital work. It barely got noticed after it was
introduced.) But then restructuring came along. The code test was spun
out, and the test for the entry level license was apparently simplified.
I've never really seen the new test, but the whole point of the
restructuring was to make it easier for newcomers to the hobby. And for
the basic license, it was decided that few were interested in building,
so there was no sense making the test to deal with such details. The
tradeoff
was that you cannot use a home made transmitter with that license.

The advanced test allows for building transmitters, and higher power (a
kilowatt instead of 250W), and I think it is needed to run a repeater.

The code test was not required for either license, but then you could not
operate below 30MHz. Hence, you could have an advanced license, but not
have passed the code test, and the result was you'd have full priviliges,
but only above 30MHz.

There were two levels of code test. 5wpm got you full privileges below
4MHz, ie 160 and 80 metres, but nothing else at HF. (I think that may
have
been changed, for more HF useage, but I can't remember.)

The 12wpm code test gave in effect full priviliges, minus the bits the
advanced test allowed.

So it was rather a mix and match system.

Michael VE2BVW

"R J Carpenter" wrote in message
...

Sorry for the top-post, but good that a Canadian who understands their
system straightens this out.

Thanks.

bob

Agree - I was starting to get confuddled!!! And here I was thinking the
Australian system was/is/maybe confusing ;-)

Martin, VK2UMJ

PS - Our proposed Foundation Licence which should come in next year will
only permit the use of "unmodified transmitting equipment of commercial
manufacture" with 10W PEP, however antenna experimentation will still be
permitted....



"Michael Black" wrote in message
...
"R J Carpenter" ) writes:

Yes and no. Agreed, code proficiency is not related to the ABILITY to
do
homebrew.

If, as I think is true , the authorities (Canadian) forbid you to use
a
homebrew transmitter with a no-code licence, it is wrong to say that
code
proficiency doesn't come into it. OK, you could build the
transmitter,
but
it would be illegal to use it. As an aside, I wonder what happens to
a
US
no-code ham with a homebrew transmitter who operates in Canada....

73 de bob w3otc


No, code has nothing to do with it.

It's the written test that determines whether or not someone can build
their
own transmitter, or rather use it.

Up till 1990, there were two licenses, amateur and advanced, and each
had
a code test. (Oh, there was also the digital license, introduced in
1978,
that required no code test, but was limited to only some VHF/UHF bands,
and the focus was for digital work. It barely got noticed after it was
introduced.) But then restructuring came along. The code test was spun
out, and the test for the entry level license was apparently simplified.
I've never really seen the new test, but the whole point of the
restructuring was to make it easier for newcomers to the hobby. And for
the basic license, it was decided that few were interested in building,
so there was no sense making the test to deal with such details. The
tradeoff
was that you cannot use a home made transmitter with that license.

The advanced test allows for building transmitters, and higher power (a
kilowatt instead of 250W), and I think it is needed to run a repeater.

The code test was not required for either license, but then you could
not
operate below 30MHz. Hence, you could have an advanced license, but not
have passed the code test, and the result was you'd have full
priviliges,
but only above 30MHz.

There were two levels of code test. 5wpm got you full privileges below
4MHz, ie 160 and 80 metres, but nothing else at HF. (I think that may
have
been changed, for more HF useage, but I can't remember.)

The 12wpm code test gave in effect full priviliges, minus the bits the
advanced test allowed.

So it was rather a mix and match system.

Michael VE2BVW

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:43:12 -0400, "R J Carpenter"
wrote:

it would be illegal to use it. As an aside, I wonder what happens to a US
no-code ham with a homebrew transmitter who operates in Canada....

There are reciprocal privileges, but my interpretation is when
operating in Canada, one is required to follow (and be aware of) all
of the Industry Canada (equivalent of FCC) regulations.

If you see http://www.rac.ca/regulatory/rcip.htm

you will find the following:
"Americans operating in Canada, must abide by Industry Canada RIC-2

- A US amateur who is qualified to send and receive in Morse code at
a speed of at least 5 wpm may operate an amateur station in Canada in
accordance with the provisions applicable to the holder of an Amateur
Operator's Certificate with Basic, Morse Code (5 wpm) and Advanced
Qualifications.

- A US amateur who is not qualified to send and receive in Morse code
may operate an amateur station in Canada in accordance with provisions
applicable to the holder of the Amateur Operator's Certificate with
Basic and Advanced Qualifications."

Again, RIC-2 would be equivalent to Part 97.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Behold, Ian White, G3SEK signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Gregg wrote:
Behold, Tim Wescott signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
There's just not enough VHF homebrew out there!

IMHO, we can thank that no-code licence that restricts you to
commercially-made equipment for this.


There is actually a lot of HB associated with VHF, but the effort just
doesn't happen to go into building QRP transceivers.

Too bad. HAM's were the communications pioneers, even the military used
them for R&D. Now with digital and satellites and stuff, who needs QRP?
Who really needs the HAM anymore?

Funny thing is, CB'ers regularily communicate globally with 4W AM, 12PEP
SSB and more R&D has been spent on "skip" antennas and other QRP aides for
CB, rather than HAM :-(

HELLLLLOOOOOOO! One does not need 2KW DC on a plate(s) to talk worldwide
on 21, 24 & 28 MHz.

I've been almost tempted to petition IC for a special "QRP" class
certificate "no-code" HF licence - the user *must* use homebrew equipment
and *must* keep DC input to the final at 5W or less. The catch is the regs
& theory the person must pass be at the advanced level.

Good Idea? No?

Code proficiency is totally irrelevant to that. Some of this country's
most advanced VHF homebrewers have held a no-code licence for over 30
years. The same is true in Germany, France and several other European
countries.

I have listened to 2 meter communications in BC and Manitoba for 25 years
and other than repeater ID's, I have yet to hear one QSO or even a call in
CW :-/

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg wrote in news:Rm4Jc.43518$Rf.15803@edtnps84:

Funny thing is, CB'ers regularily communicate globally with 4W AM,
12PEP SSB

Since when? Speaking from experience in the field, if it comes from a CB
shop, it's not running 4W or less unless you bought it while wearing your
FCC Enforcement Division T-shirt. Most of the WalMart radio crowd isn't
DXing.