On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:07:57 EDT, wrote:

But in some cases, the first buyer can say "NO!" to the developer, and
get restrictions removed *before* the sale. So while the rest of the
properties may be restricted, that one isn't.

HOA rules are another issue completely, but the same approach may
work.

According to California law - the one that I work with - the CC&Rs
are recorded before the first unit is built, and both state law and
common law holds that the restrictions run with the land. The "first
owner" legally is the developer.

I was lucky with the condo because the restriction was no antennas
without permission of the board, and I got that permission while the
developer was the "board" and the permission ran with my ownership and
occupancy of the unit.
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net

On Jul 23, 2:31 am, Phil Kane wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:07:57 EDT, wrote:
But in some cases, the first buyer can say "NO!" to the developer, and
get restrictions removed *before* the sale. So while the rest of the
properties may be restricted, that one isn't.

HOA rules are another issue completely, but the same approach may
work.

According to California law - the one that I work with - the CC&Rs
are recorded before the first unit is built, and both state law and
common law holds that the restrictions run with the land. The "first
owner" legally is the developer.

So that idea won't work in California.

I was lucky with the condo because the restriction was no antennas
without permission of the board, and I got that permission while the
developer was the "board" and the permission ran with my ownership and
occupancy of the unit.

So you did a version of the second idea. That's great!

CC&Rs, HOAs and such are of interest to me because although I've
managed to avoid them in the homes I've owned so far, the trends are
not promising for the future.

---

I see a lot of (to me) strange development going on.

The first is the McMansion, a huge frame house on a relatively small
lot, with all sorts of restrictions. Incredibly priced, too, and you
don't even get sidewalks. How people are supposed to heat, cool and
maintain them as prices rise is beyond me.

The second is the condo development, aka "above-ground-rabbit-warren",
where a lot of units are piled onto the absolute minimum of land, sort
of like city rowhouses. The problem is that the development is nothing
but homes and is sited on a busy road, so you have to get in your car
and drive a couple miles or more just to get groceries or go to the
post office. IOW, many of the disadvantages of the city and few of the
advantages.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:55:00 EDT, wrote:

The first is the McMansion, a huge frame house on a relatively small
lot, with all sorts of restrictions. Incredibly priced, too, and you
don't even get sidewalks. How people are supposed to heat, cool and
maintain them as prices rise is beyond me.


We had a builder put up a MaxiMansion near here for his own residence.
They had to put in a new gas line up the street to provide enough gas
to heat the place. He has his own pole-pig too. The price was
several mills three years ago. The house across the road from that is
35 rooms occupied by a couple in their 90s - the largest car dealer in
the Portland area. I would suspect that both of those places have
live-in help.

Isn't it nice to have money?
--
Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR

Phil Kane wrote:

We had a builder put up a MaxiMansion near here for his own residence.
They had to put in a new gas line up the street to provide enough gas
to heat the place. He has his own pole-pig too. The price was
several mills three years ago.

Out here on Signal Hill, I have to share a pole pig with the neighbor
across the road.

The house across the road from that is
35 rooms occupied by a couple in their 90s - the largest car dealer in
the Portland area. I would suspect that both of those places have
live-in help.

See! I could live in one of those places--as live-in help.

Isn't it nice to have money?

I'd love to have the opportunity to find out if wealth could mess up my
life. Though indoor plumbing came to this area long ago, there's still
a WPA-built privy on our property. When I can afford to do it up in
gold leaf, I will know that I've arrived.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Phil Kane wrote:

We had a builder put up a MaxiMansion near here for his own residence.
They had to put in a new gas line up the street to provide enough gas
to heat the place. He has his own pole-pig too. The price was
several mills three years ago.

Out here on Signal Hill, I have to share a pole pig with the neighbor
across the road.

The house across the road from that is
35 rooms occupied by a couple in their 90s - the largest car dealer in
the Portland area. I would suspect that both of those places have
live-in help.

See! I could live in one of those places--as live-in help.

Isn't it nice to have money?

I'd love to have the opportunity to find out if wealth could mess up my
life. Though indoor plumbing came to this area long ago, there's still
a WPA-built privy on our property. When I can afford to do it up in
gold leaf, I will know that I've arrived.

Dave K8MN

Your name isn't Al Gore and you haven't purchased 10,000 acres of carbon
credits in West Ubanga Banga.....

Dave WD9BDZ

David G. Nagel wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Phil Kane wrote:

We had a builder put up a MaxiMansion near here for his own residence.
They had to put in a new gas line up the street to provide enough gas
to heat the place. He has his own pole-pig too. The price was
several mills three years ago.

Out here on Signal Hill, I have to share a pole pig with the neighbor
across the road.

The house across the road from that is
35 rooms occupied by a couple in their 90s - the largest car dealer in
the Portland area. I would suspect that both of those places have
live-in help.

See! I could live in one of those places--as live-in help.

Isn't it nice to have money?

I'd love to have the opportunity to find out if wealth could mess up
my life. Though indoor plumbing came to this area long ago, there's
still a WPA-built privy on our property. When I can afford to do it
up in gold leaf, I will know that I've arrived.

Dave K8MN

Your name isn't Al Gore and you haven't purchased 10,000 acres of carbon
credits in West Ubanga Banga.....

You may write those things on my grave stone!

I saw Al's daddy once when he flew into the Palm Beach County airport in
late 1957 or early 1958.

I plan to create some massive carbon footprints when the Consol Coal
Company buys me out (that could be anywhere from now until eight years
away). Those carbon diggin' rascals are buying people out right and
left at rather handsome prices. When my carbon ship comes in, I plan to
live out my days in showy ostentation. I'd planned on two of those
heavy duty crank up towers with the tilt feature but if Consol's price
is right, I may opt for three. Of course you always have to plan for
the event that the coal company changes its mind. If that happens, I'll
be a little less ostentatious and will just retain my two Rohn 25 towers
and will continue to burn free natural gas like it was goin' out of style.

73,

Dave K8MN

In article ,
Phil Kane wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:07:57 EDT, wrote:

But in some cases, the first buyer can say "NO!" to the developer, and
get restrictions removed *before* the sale. So while the rest of the
properties may be restricted, that one isn't.

HOA rules are another issue completely, but the same approach may
work.

According to California law - the one that I work with - the CC&Rs
are recorded before the first unit is built, and both state law and
common law holds that the restrictions run with the land. The "first
owner" legally is the developer.

I was lucky with the condo because the restriction was no antennas
without permission of the board, and I got that permission while the
developer was the "board" and the permission ran with my ownership and
occupancy of the unit.
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net

One of the, few, "Nice Things" about living out in the "Middle of
No where", is that if your nearest neighbor is 5 miles away,
and there are 200 ft trees between them and you, it really doesn't
matter just how BIG, and Tall, the Antenna Farm gets.

--
Bruce in alaska
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