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Paul has been a No Code Test advocate for many years. I have been a Pro Code Test advocate for many years. Yet we are both willing to read each other's postings without personal attacks. All anyone has to do to confirm this is to look up his comments to FCC, and mine. They're all in ECFS. Its my conclusion, years ago, that many posters in this forum are not interested in things like "facts" when those facts contridict their own little perceptions of reality, hatred of amateur extras, hatred of the ARRL, etc. What does that mean, exactly? It sounds a little like a form of ad hominem attack, in which being an Extra somehow disqualifies someone from being objective. I suspect that if the moderators consisted of Len Anderson, Brian Burke, and Mark Morgan, the newsgroup would be perfectly fair and equitable to all viewpoints, right? I'm sure there would be a good balance of postings, including posts from Extra-class operators and ARRL members. *snicker* 73 kh6hz |
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KH6HZ wrote:
... I suspect that if the moderators consisted of Len Anderson, Brian Burke, and Mark Morgan, the newsgroup would be perfectly fair and equitable to all viewpoints, right? I'm sure there would be a good balance of postings, including posts from Extra-class operators and ARRL members. *snicker* 73 kh6hz HA HA ... No, but if Len were but one of the moderators, might not be so bad ... The bad blood between some here really is childish, hard to tell what is going to finally get them to settle down and begin acting like gentlemen again, but, has been going on far too long ... With the focus of this group being forced away from "code/no code" we should be able to search out some common ground. I think bringing out the welcome wagon for new licensees would be a good idea. Regards, JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
KH6HZ wrote: ... I suspect that if the moderators consisted of Len Anderson, Brian Burke, and Mark Morgan, the newsgroup would be perfectly fair and equitable to all viewpoints, right? I'm sure there would be a good balance of postings, including posts from Extra-class operators and ARRL members. *snicker* 73 kh6hz HA HA ... No, but if Len were but one of the moderators, might not be so bad ... Yes, It would be bad. Len can't control his behavior. Ten years of his archived newsgroup posts exists to back up my statement. The bad blood between some here really is childish, hard to tell what is going to finally get them to settle down and begin acting like gentlemen again, but, has been going on far too long ... There's one reason that Len wouldn't make a good moderator. Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote:
... There's one reason that Len wouldn't make a good moderator. Dave K8MN Dave: Again, when will you guys quit, let's cut straight to the chase--seems no one would make a good moderator, excepting those with extra licenses. If push comes to shove, probably the best compromise you could expect is they would allow a general in ... Regards, JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: ... There's one reason that Len wouldn't make a good moderator. Dave K8MN Dave: Again, when will you guys quit, let's cut straight to the chase--seems no one would make a good moderator, excepting those with extra licenses. If push comes to shove, probably the best compromise you could expect is they would allow a general in ... Regards, JS I think you should quit, anonymous John. Which general--Wesley Clark? You seem to see some conspiracy in the creation of the moderated newsgroup. There are other moderated newsgroups which work quite well. There are a number of moderated e-mail reflectors which works quite well. No one who behaves as Len Anderson is permitted to post to the topband reflector, the Ten-Tec reflector, The Butternut antenna reflector or the DX reflector. No Mark Morgans issue countless "Wogger on rrapage" posts. No Roger Wisemans foul the reflectors with demented filth. As soon as one of Len's tirades veered off course into an anti-ARRL rant, filled with "tsk, tsk" and "poor baby", his post would be dumped. His "Spanky Spanky", "Herr Oberst", "Sister Nun of the Above" and the like would get him banned in short order. He'd have to behave or he'd be given the boot. It really is that simple. Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote:
... I think you should quit, anonymous John. Which general--Wesley Clark? You seem to see some conspiracy in the creation of the moderated newsgroup. There are other moderated newsgroups which work quite well. There are a number of moderated e-mail reflectors which works quite well. No one who behaves as Len Anderson is permitted to post to the topband reflector, the Ten-Tec reflector, The Butternut antenna reflector or the DX reflector. No Mark Morgans issue countless "Wogger on rrapage" posts. No Roger Wisemans foul the reflectors with demented filth. As soon as one of Len's tirades veered off course into an anti-ARRL rant, filled with "tsk, tsk" and "poor baby", his post would be dumped. His "Spanky Spanky", "Herr Oberst", "Sister Nun of the Above" and the like would get him banned in short order. He'd have to behave or he'd be given the boot. It really is that simple. Dave K8MN Well then, anyone with less than a general would be a good candidate for support to "Joe Blow Ham." Well, as long as they weren't a good ole' buddy of the "evil extras." Maybe one extra, one general, one tech, etc. Can't see how that would look "stacked", long as they demonstrated they weren't all "good ole' buddies." Many ways really, only one not acceptable really ... extra, extra read all about it ... Regards, JS |
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Dave Heil wrote:
... Dave: You know, I am glad you brought this all up. No, not a conspiracy in terms of "gov't. conspiracy." Just normal "human conspiracy", like when the republicans oppose the democrats and the reverse, and they get together and put together a "game plan." Just dirty little street smart tricks and tactics to get ones wishes put over on another. Like when you call up a friend and get him to help and/or support what you wish to accomplish, or join a group or club which supports your interests, or join a lobbying group, etc. You know, exactly what Mr. Schleck is so good at, why I call him "political", why I refer to those aiding him in his "game plan", the henchmen. You know, like stacking the deck with all extras which are in agreement with him and have egos equal his size. Ban Len, you mentioned banning Len in your post I am responding to? Well yes, that is "part of the game plan" I would imagine, and anyone else not falling into the moderated plan. Yes, that is what they EXACTLY have in mind, take a public newsgroup and turn it into a "good ole' boys club." Well, if that is what they want, let them engage in a private forum which is available on the internet. You know, they can set up a room for themselves on an instant messenger. They can create a private chat room on IRC. Hell, they can set up a private email list and sit there. Why confuse a public newsgroup with a private chat room or private instant messenger chat room. Naaa, that "Military Conspiracy" stuff is all theirs. That is why they have to run things they way they are attempting ... Regards, JS |
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On Jan 28, 4:21�pm, John Smith I wrote: KH6HZ wrote:* ... I suspect that if the moderators consisted of Len Anderson, Brian Burke, and Mark Morgan, the newsgroup would be perfectly fair and equitable to all viewpoints, right? I'm sure there would be a good balance of postings, including posts from Extra-class operators and ARRL members. *snicker* 73 kh6hzHA HA ... No, but if Len were but one of the moderators, might not be so bad ... No sweat. I can do it. Have done it. Problem is that I could hardly post a thing. To be effective, moderators CANNOT get into the thick of a contentious subject. The bad blood between some here really is childish, hard to tell what is going to finally get them to settle down and begin acting like gentlemen again, but, has been going on far too long ... That's true. But, these olde-tymers have "had their way" as "superiors" that I doubt (sincerely) that they could stop. With the focus of this group being forced away from "code/no code" we should be able to search out some common ground. *I think bringing out the welcome wagon for new licensees would be a good idea. Yes, but the "welcomes" would STILL be out of the ARRL hymn book, unchanged. You forget that so many hams are so into THEIR thing that they've seldom reached out of their own experiences to imagine How To Do It with total strangers. For example, that hoary old schtick "Talk anywhere else in the world on your own radio!" with a ham license. While true, the ionosphere is not open 24/7 and folks in far lands aren't keeping the same time as any in the 7 time zones of the USA. A little handheld cell phone can do it, no sweat. Co$t? Much less than a fraction of a ham station, antenna, cost and the nasty looks from spouse or family on wasting time with ham radio. "Learn a lifelong whatever?" Possibly for a teen-ager. For Mr/Ms Ordinary Other Job Skill probably NOT. One thing all these "I-learned-it-as-a-teenager" extras forget that there isn't any set "requirement" to do it that way. Since they kept harping on the "no age limit" thing they've totally forgotten that it works the OTHER way on the "age spectrum." When you boil everything down to a slow simmer you won't find ANY of these lofty radiomen interested in helping others, only themselves. Everything from collecting Titles and Certificates to Club Calls for clubs that don't exist. They won't step out of their Personal-Interest area to see how other groups do it, won't acknowledge other groups surviving, and think the world of reality is still the same as when they were young long ago. I don't know the "answers" to getting anyone involved. I can - dispassionately - tell them what the amateur radio service is supposed to be. I would rather tell them about the wonderful opportunities in engineering or many other technologically-oriented occupations. It's NOT my job to "tell" these lofty "superior" amateurs how to do it. If they were so damn "superior" they would already KNOW. shrug 36.5, LA |
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