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Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?
"robert casey" wrote in message link.net... The ARRL should place a few ads in CB magazines to announce the no code HF licenses. Not that we would want "freebander" style activity to leak into the ham bands, but some "freebanders" may want to "repent" and get into legal radio (sure, it sounds hokey, but what the hell...). But it needs to be clear that they must quit the "freeband" once they become hams. And maybe some elmers can help them convert that "lynaear" into a clean and proper linear for 10m.... I've never really run into a situation where I have needed a linear amplifier for 10m. When the band is open, 100W PEP or less is all your need on 10m. When the band is not open, 5KW will not help. |
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"Greg and Joan" wrote in message hlink.net... It depends. Some years ago, I went to a hamfest/convention, and there were some ARRL bigwigs in the room. Must have been the early 90s. The hamfest/convention or the ARRL bigwigs? :-) Sorry ... I had to ask ... the devil made me do it :-) ... particularly in light of the remainder of your story. 73, Carl - wk3c There had been suggestions that amateur radio didn't have the general exposure it should have had. There are huge county fairs, state fairs, and how often do you see amateur radio shown and demonstrated there? Indeed, the Smithsonian Institution had a station = NN3SI, that was on public display and in daily operation, and it disappeared!!! So finally one of the senior citizens running the event said "We put up an amateur station at (a major fair)". I'm thinking --- GREAT! "And we held demonstrations for the youngsters - like the 4-H group." GREAT AGAIN! "And we had a message fair!" Groan. The ARRL guy reads some text from a parent to his kid at home "and if you don't do your homework, you're grounded.", grasping a wrinkled "radiogram". I asked a question. When I asked it, I thought the guy was gonna die. "Well, I can understand, that a message fair may be of interest to you, and may have gotten you interested in this. But in this day of cheap long-distance and international telephone calling, and now we're in the cellular age, and online computer chatting, do you really think this is going to turn kids' heads? I mean, a MESSAGE FAIR???" He didn't know how to answer. He stumbled. Then he said , "well we weren't really trying to convince the kids to join up" or something like that. A noted media personality was in the audience and suggested that ham radio be tied into technologies that kids understand -- like, for instance, satellite tracking and communication. Show the horizon tracking and when the satellite gets to this point here, you're gonna hear voices on the radio. Fuse computer technology with ham radio technology and you'll turn the kids heads. How do you attract the new folks? Kids, adults, whatever? Forget about what turned you on to amateur radio 20, 30, 50 , 60 years ago. Try to think of something that will turn the kids' heads today, if you can. Morse code won't do it. Neither will 2 meter hand helds, not in the era of cellular technology. Packet? Who needs it, we got e-mail. Experimentation? Maybe! SOMETHING ... I'm surprised amateur television hasn't jumped up. ATV via balloon? Satellite signals? But clear your head of message fairs, or technology that got you buzzed in 1955. Don't blame the audience if they're not interested in code. Don't blame society. They want to know -- what FUN can they have? |
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link.net: Thing one - there never will be a huge number of hams. Thing two - I've seen firsthand the damage that the grouchy olde tymers can do. They chase people away. Old timers with an attitude are now the greatest danger to Ham radio. Putting together a station is fun. Talking around the world without a structure is fun. Most people don't realize how much infrastructure it takes to have flame wars on newsgroups via the Internet. :-) How true. And that infrastructure is indeed fragile. I've said it before, but anyone thinking that they are beinh hi-tech because they are using the internet is fooling themself. They need to understand that before they can appreciate that hams can talk to other hams worldwide without any infrastructure other than their own radios and antennas. There you state the magic of radio. And we haven't been doing all that good a job of explaining that. Learning about all that Radio encompasses is fun. Talking with friends old and new about radio is fun Fun, fun, fun, fun for everyone! Listening to someone bemoan CB'ers, nickle extras, and how their prowess in CW makes them superior, how Hams really had it hard in the old days, any idiot can become a ham nowadays, next thing yaknow, they will be giving licenses away on boxes of cereal type hams, and on and on is not fun. "No kids, no lids, and no space cadets!".... The ARRL should place a few ads in CB magazines to announce the no code HF licenses. Not that we would want "freebander" style activity to leak into the ham bands, but some "freebanders" may want to "repent" and get into legal radio (sure, it sounds hokey, but what the hell...). But it needs to be clear that they must quit the "freeband" once they become hams. And maybe some elmers can help them convert that "lynaear" into a clean and proper linear for 10m.... I don't disagree. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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From: Dave Heil on Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:39:16 GMT
wrote: From: Dave Heil on Sat, 03 Feb wrote: On Feb 2, 8:09?pm, wrote: On Feb 2, 10:16?pm, Cecil Moore wrote: wrote: I've been in that situation too, Cecil, and a lot more recently than the 1950s. Oh? Was that when you served the country in your "other ways?" You are so intimate with Miccolis that you speak for him? Allow me to paraphrase Leonard Anderson and advise you that this is a public newsgroup where anyone may respond to any post. Tsk, you are NOT answering Miccolis' question. I'll try again: Are you so intimate with Miccolis that you speak for him? Yes or no. "Intimate" does not automatically include sexual intimacy. Why can't Miccolis answer for himself? Miccolis, as usual, INFERRED something but never supplied any details. Inference is NOT fact. You aren't quoting Jim correctly and you know it. Writing "I've been in that situation too...more recently than the 1950s" says NOTHING of detail. It has NO factual basis. It is INFERENCE. That fine example of the modern American amateur extra, Steven James Robeson was doing that for years. Never supplied ANY true, references of HIS involvement. Let's face it, Len. You don't know if Steve's statements are accurate or not. Confirmation of his USMC service can easily be found on the web. Did you ever find it? WHERE "on the web" is this "confirmation?" Tsk, I was the one pointing out the authoritative source for military records at NARA, National Archives and Records Administration, in St. Louis. I also repeated their explanation of who is entitled to information. Didn't you read that? It is still available at NARA. But only to law enforcement personnel or the individual who is on the records or his blood relations. Are you in law enforcement? Do you have a nice shiny shield in a wallet with your station callsign on it? That is NOT an ID of real law enforcement. Robesin is a FAKE, a FRAUD, a bluffer who has NOT ONCE made available ANY document copies of HIS to anyone. Why do you defend fakes, frauds, and bluffers? Maybe you LIKE those types of sociopaths? Let's review facts, shall we? You have NO "facts" which are referencible. I served *in* Vietnam, a country which was at war during my service. I drew combat pay for the entire period of that Vietnam service. "Drawing combat pay" is NO "reference" to actually being IN combat. Military pay is an administrative function. Neither do you have third-party PROOF of this "combat pay" (a supplement to regular military monthly income) that is visible to anyone. Your statement is INFERENCE and only YOUR statement. You never did much in Vietnam therefore you don't have any details to supply. I could supply you with plenty of details. Feel free to do so. I've advised that you could easily find almost exactly what I did elsewhere on the internet. Look for it or not, I don't care. WHERE is this "easily found" data? WHO can access it? You are BLUFFING. You were never in combat against the Viet Cong... Fact: You have no idea what I did in Vietnam. Quite true! You will NOT supply any information. You don't know where third-party records are kept. You wish to make braggart claims made by yourself and state those are "FACTS." They are NOT fact. They are simply CLAIMS. You are behaving exactly like that fraud Robesin behaved for years in here. I am still in contact with both civilian and military personnel who worked at the same signal facilities I did and at the same time. And? Do you believe yourself to be the only person on the planet who maintains contact with those he served with in the military? I do not. But, you have NOT said anything of substance, only substituted a QUESTION in an attempt to misdirect. You use a good misdirection ploy, but it is ONLY a misdirection ploy. If you have actual PROOF, then copies of such proof will (if not forged) be enough proof. You have NOT provided such proof. You are behaving exactly like Robesin...his bluff was just "call the VA." A delaying tactic until he could think up another bluff. The Veterans Administration will NOT automatically divulge such information to just anyone. They confirm such data through NARA. My service, like yours, is also history and fact. The big difference is that I haven't shared my history with you. Now what? Now you must prove your "history and fact." Personal claims are NOT fact. Your bluffing period is over. Produce some copies of referenced documents, OFFICIAL documents. You simply don't know that. You don't have any information. Tsk, you CANNOT PROVE something with null data. You are trying to misdirect again. If you have this "information" then you should have no qualms about sharing it. So far you haven't revealed ANY data other than your CLAIM. We can see what you do without facts and we know what you've written about others when you have a few facts. I call obvious bluffers for bluffers. I call obvious liars for liars. I call obvious "snake oil salesmen" for "snake oil salesment." I put you down for all three. How much military training has Miccolis received? He hasn't told me. I don't suppose that he has told you either. Answer: NONE. You don't know that. Miccolis said he never served in any military. Are there "easy places on the web" where one can find personal data about the NEVER SERVING? Show us how you "PROVE" something with a NOTHING. All one can prove with a nothing is nothing. He wants to "lecture me" on how I treat REAL military veterans? I think he can observe your actions here. "WE" call all see YOUR actions here. You simply disguise your personal hatred for someone with allegations of misconduct or lying, whether it be on personal military service or anything else. That is quite visible to all. I made no factual error there, Len. You have "made" nothing. You have NO references, will not tell anyone where those "easy" references are found on the Internet. You are simply trying to "PROVE" something with NOTHING. That is bluffing, that is lying. That is the standard operating procedure of Robesin in here for years. I moved the "You rant about getting into amateur radio but you've never gotten into amateur radio or even tried to do so" portion of my quote text back to where it belongs to illustrate the lengths you'll go to in order to create diversion, to pretend that my words were about something else. You are describing YOUR actions in here, not mine. You are acting as "reply agent" for Miccolis. Why are you inserting all these statements of YOUR personal dislike and terrible "CHARGES" of misconduct in here? If you are reply agent, why cannot you include his personal dislike instead of your own. Answer: You are attempting a technique of denigration of others through selective editing, false "interpretations" of what "others really think or do." Example: You tale about the artillery barrage you were never in relates to the amateur radio service you were never in. There is NO relation. That is a MANUFACTURED charge. Are you trying to say that "amateur radio service" is involved in artillery fire? [other than in newsgroups] Are you saying that ONLY radio amateurs "experience combat?" Other than making specious CLAIMS of your own, what is your point OTHER than trying to denigrate and defame your perceived opponents in here? You and alleged "military expert" Miccolis have gone on and on and on and on about a long-ago post in here as if it were some sort of "prime moral-ethical felony" that should be "punished" in a court of law. Why? For only one plausible reason: Your own personal vendetta against someone who doesn't agree with your own self- aggrandizement, self-defined "importance" AS IF you were "superior" in all aspects of everything. BS. You and Miccolis have MANUFACTURED some mytical moral perfidy of "not completing" some sort of imaginary "promise" to achieve an amateur extra class license exam. That seven-year-old statement was NEVER a "promise" but a simple comment AT THE TIME. Miccolis began manufacture out of his own SPITE to "get back" at one of his critics. You, as well-behaved little monkey, took up the chittering for the same reason. You two have made a spiteful little noise in here about past statements, ones that were NOT DONE AT THE TIME of the original posting. You wish to keep OLD arguments going and going and going for WHAT reason? Other than to please yourself. You wish to be JUDGE OF ALL, yet have NO authorization and are "guilty" of other "crimes." I've stated in the beginning in here, and continuously up to now that my purpose was the advocacy of elimination of the code test for a license. So? Who asked you? No one. Are you the "new moderator" for RRAP? Are you "qualified" to pick and choose who gets to say what? You are NOT so qualified, indeed should RECUSE yourself from any such attempts and trying to silence your opponents. The code test for ALL amateur radio licenses will be gone after 23 Feb 07. That has nothing to do with your "combat pay" (whether that was real or imaginary in your mind) nor of your attempts at being JUDGE OF ALL just because you feel you are. FCC 06-178 was a decision of the FCC based upon a democratic process of proposal-commentary-decision by the only civil radio regulating agency of the United States. Whether YOU like it or not has no bearing on your own sociopathic conduct in here, one-sided thinking and attempts at silencing (by any means you feel necessary) your own "opponents." It was not about getting into amateur radio. It was a story you've told countless times here, but it was not about getting into amateur radio. "Countless times?" No. "Countless" relates towards infinity. Your own mind, busy busy trying to MANUFACTURE some false moral-ethical perfidy, has conjured so badly you've lost the ability to count. Are YOU "involved in getting into amateur radio?" How is such "involvement" done? By sitting in an amateur radio newsgroup and berating all who do not agree with you? Or are you constantly going to VE sessions and taking tests all the time? How do you "qualify" BERATING all who disagree with your opinions (and greatness of self-worth) with getting anyone IN AMATEUR RADIO (other than sado- masochists)? Why do you set yourself up as some kind of "king" or "emperor," the only one to JUDGE what others can do? Great, Len. A number of us have experience with long haul HF communications for periods of much longer than three years. A "number of you?" '1' is a number. I would count Hans Brakob as that one, having served the USN in radio. Who are the "YOU" you refer to? You've related snippets of information about the Department of State stations at Embassies (counsolates?) but have yet to provide any NUMBERS. Did ANY of them have three dozen high-power HF transmitters capable of 24/7 operation? Plus VHF and UHF microwave radio relay equipment to back up links with a command center? Did any of "your" State stations relay messages at a rate of greater than 200 thousand a month? Well, did they? You wish to denigrate the efforts of a whole battalion of signalmen on keeping one of many links of federal government communication operating during the Cold War just on the basis of your personal dislike of a newsgroup opponent? Why are you so anti-Army? Why do you wish to denigrate the whole Department of Defense of the United States of America? I'm sorry that it bothers you that my work permitted me to operate from some rare spots. Bothers me NOT. Embassies and consulates are necessary for the United States. They are NOT "amateur radio station" are they? They are NOT "military radio stations," are they? Just WHY do you think that military radio networks were "smaller" than State's? That they are "lesser" in importance so much that you feel free to denigrate and defame anyone who served in them? Why do you seem to hate the US military so much? You have a real inferiority complex, don't you? None at all. I know what I am, I know what I've done, I know my capabilities. I am content with what I've accomplished and have enthusiasm for what I MIGHT do in the future. I don't need to brag or bluff or make vague CLAIMS of what I've done at any time in my life. You see, I DO have references, third- party references, am not afraid to post public data on such where it does not conflict with national security or business details. I HAVE posted some of that. Not for my personal aggrandizement, not for bragging or bluffing, just as personal history or for those who might be interested in radio as it was done a half century ago. I can post much more of that but it takes away time that I would rather spend enjoying for my own activities. You seem to conveniently IGNORE statements I've made in the past on what I've done, the available digital copies of documents I have. Naturally you want to ignore those or simply shine them off. They are in opposition to your little personal vendettas of denigrating all your "opponents." Let me turn that around for you, Len. You act arrogant, bossy and self-righteous here and you aren't even involved in amateur radio. You're a non-participant in amateur radio. Tsk. Are you constantly trying to be JUDGE of who gets access in "your" newsgroup? Who appointed you? Besides yourself, that is. Or do you think you ARE God?!? I act firmly, actively, and don't go in for gratuitous nice-nice phrases to the obvious "superiority complex" types such as yourself. I don't honor and respect the ARRL. I don't honor and respect olde-tyme morsemen who insist that their morsemanship makes them "superior" to all others. Why do you have such a failure to understand what I've said? I stated long ago and kept repeating that I was an advocate for eliminating the morse code test for US amateur radio testing. I never said I was a "participant" in licensed radio amateurism. I have been a HOBBYIST in radio and electronics since 1947. NO license was required for that. Why do you constantly look down on hobbyists who are not "licensed?" Amateur radio is basically a HOBBY. What does the FCC call it, Len? What part of "BASICALLY a hobby" does Heil not understand? You've commented. You still are not a part of amateur radio. Got that, wizened geezer? "Wizened geezer?" Is that Heil's habit to continue denigration of others who are chronologically older than he? Must be. There is nothing to indicate that your scenario is based in fact. There simply aren't many free services from the ARRL, Len. It charges additional fees for most things. The DXCC program used to cost the League quite a bit of money. I think it is largely, if not completely self-sustaining these days. That's simply one example. There are numerous others. What some New Englanders do as a business while disguised as a "non-profit" membership organization is not my concern. If it is yours, then complain to THEM. If I want fairy stories all I need to do is tickle one of the self-righteous, self-defined "experts in radio" (morsemen all) to hear fairy stories about the "service to the nation" of hamateur radio. Oh, that's right, you're some sort of puppet master and we all dance to your tune. ;-) We been hYPnO-tIZeD! Puppeteers do not hypnotize. I can, and have, yanked chains. Have you considered oiling yours? They are rather rusty. No one has spouted more deliberate distortion and untruths in this newsgroup regarding the state of amateur radio than you, Len. Tsk. "Big Brother truths." "Truthspeak." George Orwell would have a chuckle or two over your statement. I know of none who've spouted (and spit) more deliberate distortion and untruths than the olde-tyme morsemen. Yourself included. See? You aren't forgotten! I can think of only a few pseudo-friends you have here in the newsgroup, Leonard. I have few "friends" in this newsgroup. I do not expect to have any. I don't look for "love" in the wrong places. Some of us are like-minded on opposition to the code test. We feel various degrees of victory in FCC 06-178. Tsk, that must make the pro-coders very irritated. Boo hoo. My friends and acquaintences OUTSIDE of this newsgroup are more and varied than you think. There's no sense is being detailed about that since your hatred would only cause you to insult THEM as well... I don't care for you at all. NO?!? :-) Irrelevant. Newsgroups are NOT cozy little kaffeklatsch gatherings of hive minds, all "enjoying" the same nice-nice about shared likes. They are places of DEBATE ABOUT IDEAS, LAWS, and SUBJECTS, not personalities who feel they should DICTATE who says what and where. Why do you DICTATE so much? I've leveled with you very often, Len. You didn't like it. "Leveled?!?" Hardly. You've been busy busy busy INFERRING things, telling half-truths, insulting all who disagreed with you. Heh, if your "level" were used in Pisa, that leaning tower would have fallen centuries ago... I think there are things in which you've been a success, Len and I believe that there are things in which you've been a failure. I admit to failure in not inventing anti-gravity. Something was always holding me down... ... You did boast seven years back of getting the "Extra right out of the box". I've toasted. I've never boasted. It hasn't happened. Has the universe ended? :-) You never even tried. I've never been tried for anything. Have you been tried? If so, what was the REAL judges' ruling? That you pay a certain amount of alimony? [I was never divorced] Wanna pick up those teeth of yours littering the floor? :-) Since I know your age, I'll agree that you mean the smiley in this instance. For yourself then. My teeth are firmly in place, do not come out at night, will only come out if a DDS does it under anaesthetic. Are you now an "expert" on dentistry? Of course you are an "expert" on dentistry...you were tested and passed under maximal-rate morse code! There's not any really solid indication that your statement is factual. Believe what you want to believe. Fairy tales for you? Pipe-dreams? Peyote-induced glory and magnificence? You still seem to think that you are somehow involved, that you're "one of the guys" in amateur radio. I was just trying to eliminate the code test for US amateur radio licensing. No "licensing requirements" needed for that. Hello? That code test was all about GETTING INTO amateur radio. What part of "being IN a licensed radio service" do you NOT understand? Hello? Getting INTO something does NOT mean "being IN" something. Are you clear on that? We all get the idea that YOU consider hobbists without an "official" amateur license to be anything but "lesser" than Mighty Macho Masters of Morse who've been licensed forever in the marvelous SERVICE of amateurism. sigh Some folks are SO deluded...may even harbor delusions of immortality! I've been IN the larger world of ALL radio, little man. For a long time now. I was only advocating the elimination of the code test for a US amateur radio license. There is NO law that forbids me from commenting to my government on such advocacy. In HERE, there is some misguided "law" which "forbids" such advocacy? Too bad. My governmen listened and acted. Bye-bye code test after 23 Feb 07. All that seems to be left are all you mighty macho masters of morse sitting around spitting and spouting and trying to heap abuse on us NCTAs. Now just WHO is the delusional, the sociopathic sunsabishes sweating over keyboards NOW? Hmmm? The name "Walter Mitty" comes to mind when I think of you. Danny Kaye played that role in a funny movie. Nice guy. Went to one of his TV shows long ago, enjoyed it with the rest of the audience. Kaye (rest his soul) had appreciation for a wide group of people he entertained. Now, how come I think of an overweight Don Knotts for you? :-) There are always folks better at something than others. There are always folks who can meet the established requirements for partaking in an endeavor and there are those who can't. "Endeavor?" That's not the space shuttle I saw being built by Rockwell. Husband of one of my schoolchums worked on that. I've helped test out space shuttle main engines at another division of Rockwell (now a Boeing division). "Atlantis" was the SS I saw up close and personal. Not "Endeavor." Can you be more specific? I've been an electronics design engineer for over three decades. Proof is in all kinds of documents, from personnel records to drawing sign-offs as approving project engineer. I've been a part-time professional writer, some on hobby electronics. Was a part-time Associate Editor of a ham-interest monthly...was listed on the masthead. I'm also an illustrator (an artist who draws things as they really are). Have done that for both money and for my own pleasure. I've even rebuilt several rooms in our southern house, some of that requiring government approval. None of the above required I be LICENSED AS AN AMATEUR with the federal government! Oh, my, I've "failed established requirements?" No. I 'partook.' Things got done. Oh, my, and the FCC eliminated the morse code test for US amateur radio license testing! Oh, my! And I was a Commenter on the NPRM! [my name is listed in the last half of FCC 06-178, sunnuvagun!] I told you that you don't know me. "Countless" times! :-) Hey, if you don't wanna share anything then go sit in the corner and pout. You have precious little in the way of fact. Tsk, tsk, I have lots and lots of FACT. Bookshelves full of books and notebooks of things I've done in my workshop. Now it may not be "precious" but it DOES exist. I'm a large man, Len and I've stomped the old terra. Tsk, was that a Scottish terra or a wire-haired terra? Why do you treat dogs so brutally? Would you "stomp" a german shepherd? I've enjoyed 43 years of amateur radio and I plan to enjoy another decade or two. Have a ball, "Mr. DX." Is anyone stopping you? :-) A newsgroup is NOT licensed amateur radio. I'm not pained to see that you won't be joining in on the fun. You have precious little in the way of fact. :-) You have NO ability to predict the future. Some wonder if you have any future at all... |
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On Feb 5, 6:06�am, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote: Are you so intimate with Miccolis that you speak for him? * *Yes or no. Is this one of those, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" questions? -- 73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com No, but thanks for asking... :-) |
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On Feb 4, 9:55?pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 21:35:31 -0800, " wrote: From: Dave Heil on Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:39:16 GMT wrote: From: Dave Heil on Sat, 03 Feb len I know it is tempting but maybe with th e code war ending you could drop such obvious jabs Hey, Mark, I will if YOU will... :-) You know as well as I (and a whole bunch of other vets, real vets) that some REMFs can't help but make themselves into great big He Rows of The War. With a Robesin clone on the loose, what are we supposed to do? Salute them and say SIR? Just because they have long tenure in AMATEUR radio? Not I. If they can't prove it, all their claims are just so much BS...that won't even grow flowers. LA |
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wrote in message ps.com... On Feb 5, 6:06?am, Cecil Moore wrote: wrote: Are you so intimate with Miccolis that you speak for him? Yes or no. Is this one of those, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" questions? -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com No, but thanks for asking... :-) The question goes, 'smile if you beat your wife'. I notice you smiled :-) |
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