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Largest Amateur Radio Organization?
On Feb 15, 11:06�am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Feb 15, 5:47 am, wrote: On Feb 14, 11:36?pm, Dave Heil wrote: In amateur radio, it is the biggest potato there is, here in the U.S. Actually, Dave, I think the ARRL may be the largest amateur radio organization in the world, or at least the largest national amateur radio organization. According towww.AH0A.org, JARL membership is now well under 100,000. What other amateur radio organization even comes close to 100,000 members? For now yup prolly but there's some cryptic chatter in the Back Channel about Sweetums' French cousin Foghorn LePutz pulling together a huge organization of Eurohams which will publish it's annual budget and won't have "Members only" pages in it's website. I can see it now: *There'll be a massive, multi-cultural EU-Ham organization, made up of radio amateurs from all EU countries. * Even if that happened, it would not be a national organization unless the EU became one nation. It will have an open web site, no annual dues and will give away its publications. *Publications will be produced in all of the languages of the EU member states. All of this will be take place after the ten-year discussion period. HAW!! -- Actually we've had a multinational amateur radio organization since 1925 - the IARU. But it's not really the same thing as RSGB, JARL, ARRL, RAC, etc., because an individual cannot simply join IARU. The question of who founded the IARU is left as an exercise for the reader. -- btw, there have been a couple of national amateur radio organizations besides ARRL down through the decades. But except for the ARRL, they simply disappeared after a few years. For example, the restructuring of 1951, which (among other things) gave us the modern Amateur Extra license, was strongly influenced by two relatively small amateur radio organizations who felt the old Class A requirements weren't high enough. (The creation of the Extra class was *opposed* by ARRL, in fact.) Those two organizations are long gone, but the skeleton of the license structure remains. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Largest Amateur Radio Organization?
On Feb 15, 8:06�am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Feb 15, 5:47 am, wrote: On Feb 14, 11:36?pm, Dave Heil wrote: I can see it now: *There'll be a massive, multi-cultural EU-Ham organization, made up of radio amateurs from all EU countries. *It will have an open web site, no annual dues and will give away its publications. *Publications will be produced in all of the languages of the EU member states. Where have you been? On some secret State Department "assignment?" Don't you know where the International Amateur Radio Union has had its website? Don't you know that anyone can download IARU documents for free? Don't you know that the IARU is an international union, not just of European countries? Why are you so ignorant? Have you been working Frenchmen out of band lately? LA |
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Largest Amateur Radio Organization?
From: on 15 Feb 2007 15:09:25 -0800
wrote: On Feb 14, 11:36?pm, Dave Heil wrote: According to www.AH0A.org, JARL membership is now well under 100,000. What other amateur radio organization even comes close to 100,000 members? I hedged my bet, thinking of JARL. Their membership has been cut almost in half in the past ten years. It follows closely the numerical decline of Japanese amateur radio in general. Tsk, tsk, NOT 100% correct according to www.ah0a.org. Japanese amateur radio licenses were tabled there yearly, indicating a CONSTANT annual growth of 10.19% in 1978 (total licenses 686,301) dropping slowly to 0.724% annual growth in 2006 (total licenses 3,192,744). In only 28 years that tabulations shows an increase of 2,506,443. If that were averaged over 28 years it represents a growth of about 89,516 licensees per year. If that average growth is divided by 365 it shows an increase of about 245 new licenses per day. That cannot possibly be taken as a "general decline" in Japanese amateur radio. I remember how, ten years or so ago, the large numbers of Japanese amateurs was touted as proof of the need for a nocodetest license with HF privileges. Japan was held up as the poster country for code test reduction/elimination. "Touted?" Is this a race track? :-) Let's see...www.hamdata.com shows US numbers on 15 Feb 07 as 721,956 total licenses. Since 10,350 of those are club calls, the total of Individual licensees would be 711,606. Compare that to over 3 million Japanese licensees for last year, plus a continuing GROWTH. Hamdata.com numbers indicate the last 12 months as having and increase of NEW licensees equal to 22,350. However, those same 12 months show Expirations (or, in their polite euphemism, 'no longer licensed') of 28,781. That works out to about 61 NEW licensees per day but with about 78 per day Expirations. The NEGATIVE growth is then about 17 per day from a negative delta of 6,431 per year. US licensee totals peaked 3 1/2 years ago, has been on a steady decline since. Judging by the number of stations, the USA has regained the lead as the country with the most licensed amateurs. You are just speculating and have NO proof either way. While Japanese operator license numbers are higher, it should be remembered that those licenses never expire. Neither does the imagination of morsemen expire in their illogical conclusions. The number of Japanese operator licenses shown on the AH0A website is really an indication of how many amateurs have been licensed in that country since 1952, not how many are currently licensed. Strange, but I was just at www.ah0a.org and that tabulation begins at 1959, NOT 1952! Tsk, tsk, that is NOT "100% accuracy!" So, are you saying that 2,506,443 Japanese radio amateurs have died and their totals remain at only 686,301 NOW? That seems to be your IMPLICATION. Fact: World War II (in the Pacific) ended in 1945 and the Japanese surrendered. Really. It was in all the papers. Try to get out more. We don't need to kill off any Japanese now. LA |
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Largest Amateur Radio Organization?
From: on 15 Feb 2007 15:09:25 -0800
wrote: On Feb 14, 11:36?pm, Dave Heil wrote: According to www.AH0A.org, JARL membership is now well under 100,000. What other amateur radio organization even comes close to 100,000 members? I hedged my bet, thinking of JARL. Their membership has been cut almost in half in the past ten years. It follows closely the numerical decline of Japanese amateur radio in general. Tsk, tsk, NOT 100% correct according to www.ah0a.org. Japanese amateur radio licenses were tabled there yearly, indicating a CONSTANT annual growth of 10.19% in 1978 (total licenses 686,301) dropping slowly to 0.724% annual growth in 2006 (total licenses 3,192,744). In only 28 years that tabulations shows an increase of 2,506,443. If that were averaged over 28 years it represents a growth of about 89,516 licensees per year. If that average growth is divided by 365 it shows an increase of about 245 new licenses per day. That cannot possibly be taken as a "general decline" in Japanese amateur radio. I remember how, ten years or so ago, the large numbers of Japanese amateurs was touted as proof of the need for a nocodetest license with HF privileges. Japan was held up as the poster country for code test reduction/elimination. "Touted?" Is this a race track? :-) Let's see...www.hamdata.com shows US numbers on 15 Feb 07 as 721,956 total licenses. Since 10,350 of those are club calls, the total of Individual licensees would be 711,606. Compare that to over 3 million Japanese licensees for last year, plus a continuing GROWTH. Hamdata.com numbers indicate the last 12 months as having and increase of NEW licensees equal to 22,350. However, those same 12 months show Expirations (or, in their polite euphemism, 'no longer licensed') of 28,781. That works out to about 61 NEW licensees per day but with about 78 per day Expirations. The NEGATIVE growth is then about 17 per day from a negative delta of 6,431 per year. US licensee totals peaked 3 1/2 years ago, has been on a steady decline since. Judging by the number of stations, the USA has regained the lead as the country with the most licensed amateurs. You are just speculating and have NO proof either way. While Japanese operator license numbers are higher, it should be remembered that those licenses never expire. Neither does the imagination of morsemen expire in their illogical conclusions. The number of Japanese operator licenses shown on the AH0A website is really an indication of how many amateurs have been licensed in that country since 1952, not how many are currently licensed. Strange, but I was just at www.ah0a.org and that tabulation begins at 1959, NOT 1952! Tsk, tsk, that is NOT "100% accuracy!" So, are you saying that 2,506,443 Japanese radio amateurs have died and their totals remain at only 686,301 NOW? That seems to be your IMPLICATION. Fact: World War II (in the Pacific) ended in 1945 and the Japanese surrendered. Really. It was in all the papers. Try to get out more. We don't need to kill off any Japanese now. LA |
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