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Dave Heil wrote: John Smith I wrote: Dave Heil wrote: ... "Heil's" ... OK. It seems a quick lesson in grammar is necessary at this point, so you do not keep appearing as an illiterate idiot. By the way, "John", I was happy that I provide the quick lesson in grammar which you requested. Dave K8MN you have no shame, moron ... The moron is the guy who stands on the rooftop, expresses his ignorance and insists that he is correct, while calling others "moron." Dave K8MN |
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... Sorry John. Dave is right. You are incorrect. Contractions are formed as 's: He Is = he's. Posessives are likewise formed as 's: Heil's contacts all used CW. Plural possessives are formed as s': Heil's contacts' radios were set to CW mode. 73 kh6hz Don't sweat it. Amateurs (plural, and NO apostrophe) frequently attempt to argue the incorrect to be correct, and so look imbecilic. Part of the new amateur policy should be to attempt to correct this image. The image of the unwashed, illiterate ham needs to go ... I tire of the smirks-behind-the-back given by professionals. JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
KH6HZ wrote: ... Sorry John. Dave is right. You are incorrect. Contractions are formed as 's: He Is = he's. Posessives are likewise formed as 's: Heil's contacts all used CW. Plural possessives are formed as s': Heil's contacts' radios were set to CW mode. 73 kh6hz Don't sweat it. Amateurs (plural, and NO apostrophe) frequently attempt to argue the incorrect to be correct, and so look imbecilic. In this instance, one anonymous fellow--maybe a radio amateur and maybe not--has attempted to do what you describe. I wouldn't call him an imbecile, just unschooled. Part of the new amateur policy should be to attempt to correct this image. The image of the unwashed, illiterate ham needs to go ... I tire of the smirks-behind-the-back given by professionals. I don't know that there is such an image. You could do your part to better things though. You might use the internet to undergo a crash course in the use of the apostrophe. Dave K8MN |
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Part of the new amateur policy should be to attempt to correct this image. The image of the unwashed, illiterate ham needs to go ... I tire of the smirks-behind-the-back given by professionals. I have no knowledge one way or the other regarding said smirks. However, I do believe it is malfeasant on the part of anyone to not -- tactfully -- correct something they know to be incorrect. At what point in today's society did it become politically correct to allow ignorance to flourish? 73 kh6hz |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dave Heil wrote: ... That's another interesting take you have, "John". A couple of characters want me to disclose information on my military service. I haven't provided it, yet the quizzing doesn't stop. Where is the bickering coming from? You have no information on whether I'm a slob of any kind, but you're quick to make such a claim. You haven't disclosed much about yourself, "John". Feel free to send Len and hot-ham-and-whatever your military service information if you like. Dave K8MN You fill this ng with more chit than mark battling his insane persecutors. If your example here is applied towards defining amateur policy, you would have us all becoming a bunch of old bickering women. Of course, some already are ... JS Yes, you are. |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dave Heil wrote: [chit] Dave K8MN Get in the habit of using more toilet paper, the smell is displeasing ... JS Of course you have the option of leaving the room.... |
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" OK. It seems a quick lesson in grammar is necessary at this point, so you do not keep appearing as an illiterate idiot. It is can be stated at it's, let us can be stated as let's, he is can be stated as he's ... Possession is shown as that guys' car, that girls' clothes, sues' home ... And, heils' manner is barbaric, idiotic and moronic! Get it right moron, take an english class! JS Er...would that be an English class? Get it right, moron. |
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"Heil's" ... OK. It seems a quick lesson in grammar is necessary at this point, so you do not keep appearing as an illiterate idiot. It is can be stated at it's, let us can be stated as let's, he is can be stated as he's ... So far, so good. Possession is shown as that guys' car, that girls' clothes, sues' home .... *snicker* "guy's car", "girl's clothes", "Sue's home" You have very little idea of how to use an apostrophe, much less a capital letter. And, heils' manner is barbaric, idiotic and moronic! "Heil's" manner is none of the above. Get it right moron, take an english class! It is because I've taken English classes that I'm able to see your errors. Dave K8MN Poor "John". He came out with both cap guns blazing only to stumble over his own, two left feet. |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 14, 9:18 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Hey, Dave. What word did you think Mark might have scrambled??? During the time I read his posts, he's managed to screw up almost all of them at one time or another. Dave K8MN Dave, when I posted "reap," what word did YOU have in mind that Mark might scramble??? Wait, Dave. Allow me. Here, hamandcheese, are just a few of Mark's butchered words....enjoy. "I disagree. if the gruop that is the Oficail site for such thing do not funtin then the voting process and discussion are curprted and result in a less railble pictice of the opion on Hams radio usenet users " But of course you already knew that... |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dave Heil wrote: John Smith I wrote: Dave Heil wrote: ... "Heil's" ... OK. It seems a quick lesson in grammar is necessary at this point, so you do not keep appearing as an illiterate idiot. By the way, "John", I was happy that I provide the quick lesson in grammar which you requested. Dave K8MN you have no shame, moron ... JS I see. Your keyboard has no Caps, right? |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... KH6HZ wrote: ... Sorry John. Dave is right. You are incorrect. Contractions are formed as 's: He Is = he's. Posessives are likewise formed as 's: Heil's contacts all used CW. Plural possessives are formed as s': Heil's contacts' radios were set to CW mode. 73 kh6hz Don't sweat it. Amateurs (plural, and NO apostrophe) frequently attempt to argue the incorrect to be correct, and so look imbecilic. Part of the new amateur policy should be to attempt to correct this image. The image of the unwashed, illiterate ham needs to go ... I tire of the smirks-behind-the-back given by professionals. JS Then post elsewhere. Besides, nobody is smirking. We are indeed laughing...thanks for the entertainment. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:15:42 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. hmm yand you rise to the bait it seems then every time Speaking of flourishing ignorance.... |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:52:34 -0500, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote: we have your words here always attack others but being unwilling to expose yourself at all you are almost as much a chipher as "JS" but he is a cipher by choice. you OTOH are what? a cipher by chooice or being a nothing more than a cipher I've yet to see Dave attack others. then you have not been reeading the NG he attacks freely 2 of of targets : One Roger Wisemen (justified but attacks he claims the sole preveldge of making) two myself who he has been known to luanch vicous attack for the sole sin of ansswering his questions You don't ask questions, dickweed. You flood the newsgroup with spam. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:46:44 -0700, John Smith I wrote: Dudley wrote: ... Oh, my. Speaking of petty... So, you seen heils' example of petty bickering and think you can do better. What? Now a contest between you and heil to fill the ng with this worthless chit? I guess dudley and Heil are feeling eneglected JS I don't feel "eneglected". Whatever that means... |
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On Apr 15, 3:12 pm, "Mork" DungHead@anon wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 14, 9:18 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Hey, Dave. What word did you think Mark might have scrambled??? During the time I read his posts, he's managed to screw up almost all of them at one time or another. Dave K8MN Dave, when I posted "reap," what word did YOU have in mind that Mark might scramble??? Wait, Dave. Allow me. Here, hamandcheese, are just a few of Mark's butchered words....enjoy. "I disagree. if the gruop that is the Oficail site for such thing do not funtin then the voting process and discussion are curprted and result in a less railble pictice of the opion on Hams radio usenet users " But of course you already knew that... Dave, which one of those words could be mistaken for "reap?" What word did you have in mind? |
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On Apr 15, 10:15 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. Dave K8MN It seems that your response fits the "unreasonable need to correct others" profile. |
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On Apr 15, 3:19 pm, "Mork" DungHead@anon wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:15:42 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. hmm yand you rise to the bait it seems then every time Speaking of flourishing ignorance.... We weren't speaking of it. |
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On Apr 16, 8:42 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 15, 10:15 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. It seems that your response fits the "unreasonable need to correct others" profile. I made no effort to correct you. Dave K8MN- I made no effort to bait you, yet here you are. |
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On Apr 15, 10:15 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. Dave K8MN I see no mistakes. |
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On Apr 17, 1:11 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 16, 8:42 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 15, 10:15 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. It seems that your response fits the "unreasonable need to correct others" profile. I made no effort to correct you. My statement above is true. I made no effort to bait you, yet here you are. The first portion of your statement is false. The first step in the process of correction is recognizing or manufacturing an error. I'm here when I want to be and I'm not here when I choose not to be here. Dave K8MN- Ditto. |
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On Apr 17, 1:13 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 15, 10:15 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. Dave K8MN I see no mistakes. Well then. I've identified one of your difficulties. Dave K8MN You have? |
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John Smith I wrote:
wrote: You are in his killfile. Live with it. if only that were so http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com Mark: You'd be wise to killfile dave, don't you think he has given you enough chit. Krist, the whole ng is filled with his trash ... The fact is, nobody has abused this newsgroup with more strangled cries for attention than Mark Morgan. You needn't be embarrassed by your apostrophe debacle. You can always choose a new pseudonym. I don't think anyone is using "John Doe" right now. Dave K8MN |
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On Apr 14, 8:15�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 14, 3:36?am, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message nk.net... Dudley wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... AF6AY wrote: On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote: Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil salesman" BS. If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything about my military service. ?It bugs you. Len appears to presume that anyone who has done something honorable will tell all about it in a public forum like this. He also appears to presume that failure to do so means the person has something to hide. Then again, if someone who has done something honorable does tell about it in this forum, Len will belittle him or call him a liar. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. In my experience, both those presumptions are simply incorrect as general rules. Often a person who has done something honorable does not feel the need to blab it all over the place. ...or at very least, does not feel compelled to document it by providing Len Anderson scans of orders, documents or photographs. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's enemies list, what they have done makes no difference in how Len will treat them. He will use his attack techniques on them regardless of, say, their actual military/combat experience. Precisely! So there's no point in giving any information. This has been demonstrated so many times that anyone with sense whom Len considers an "enemy" doesn't bother to tell Len anything about their life experience. Woe betide any man whose experience in any area exceeds that of Leonard Anderson. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. I can think of many areas where my experience exceeds that of Len Anderson. Most of those areas have nothing to do with Morse Code or amateur radio. My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of history or personal details regarding YOUR military service? Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some years back. ?It says: "No matter what job, educational level, employer, or government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr. Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general infantile behavior." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --N2EY Yep. But that's an old version of the profile, which has been refined and updated over the years. Here's the latest version, straight from the author: "No matter what employment, education, life experience or government/military service someone has, if that person disagrees with any of Len's views, or corrects any of Len's mistakes, s/he will be the target of Len's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs, excessive emoticons, orders to shut up and/or general infantile behavior." Sums it all up in one long but accurate sentence. I keep forgetting about the newer version. *I'll save it for future use. Think of it as a living document, like the Constitution. Refined and revised, but essentially the same over time. You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic, as well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity? That's one possibility. Another is to accuse the person of having something to hide, being ashamed, or outright lying. Len, with an amateur radio license, acts no differently than Len without an amateur radio license. Here on rrap, at least. We do not know how he behaves away from Usenet. Which reminds me that I have had QSOs on the amateur bands with at least 10 hams who have also posted to RRAP. Len, otoh.... Keep him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he needs same. Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he claims to decry in others, he does himself. That's what the shrinks call "projection". Len also exhibits classic textbook "transference" behavior, where he attributes to one person the actions of someone completely different. ...and not just one time. *He has done so over and over and over. A clear and consistent pattern over time. Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. IMHO, it's all about Len somehow "proving" he is better than anyone who disagrees with him. Right. *Len's inferiority complex crops up frequently. *He certainly doesn't like having it pointed out that he is a beginner in something or that he has less experience than another. * Yet there is no shame in being a beginner, novice, neophyte, greenhorn, tyro, wet-behind-the-ears newcomer. But for some reason Len takes offense at those words. He has difficulties with anything he perceives to be rank, class or status, but he's the first guy to do a "look what *I've* done." You don't see the pattern, Dave? Len is all about rank, class and status - as long as the system used puts *him* at the top of the list. Allow me the luxury of but a comment or two, then I shall no longer lend any further credibility to Len by discussing this. I've noted that Len takes, as I said, a childish, perverted pleasure in playing word games while smiling to himself and needling others, yourself especially. He should be left ignored. Agreed. In the end, most people do just that. KH6HZ was probably the first, almost a decade ago. Len is apparently self-absorbed and, as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered. Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need him. Compare the number, length and tone of Len's posts (under a variety of screen names) and the truth of your statements becomes apparent. There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story writer, getting paid by the word. A PROFESSIONAL short story writer... I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums it up. I'm not sure who "Myna Bird" is, but I think you are on target. Indded...er indedd...um...indeed! Something like that. When did it become unreasonable to expect proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation? Seems to me that something worth doing is worth doing right. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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On Apr 17, 11:06 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 17, 1:11 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 16, 8:42 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 15, 10:15 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, wrote: Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. It seems that your response fits the "unreasonable need to correct others" profile. I made no effort to correct you. My statement above is true. I made no effort to bait you, yet here you are. The first portion of your statement is false. The first step in the process of correction is recognizing or manufacturing an error. I recognized the error which you manufactured. You manufactured the error which you claim to have recognized. Now what? I'm here when I want to be and I'm not here when I choose not to be here. Ditto. I made no comment about your presence. You did make a comment about my presence. Dave K8MN And? |
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On Apr 17, 1:27 pm, John Smith I wrote:
wrote: You are in his killfile. Live with it. if only that were so http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com Mark: You'd be wise to killfile dave, don't you think he has given you enough chit. Krist, the whole ng is filled with his trash ... JS Dave is picking up where the seven hostile actions hero left off... |
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On Apr 17, 2:41 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith I wrote: wrote: You are in his killfile. Live with it. if only that were so http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com Mark: You'd be wise to killfile dave, don't you think he has given you enough chit. Krist, the whole ng is filled with his trash ... The fact is, nobody has abused this newsgroup with more strangled cries for attention than Mark Morgan. Nor more strangled cries for help than Robesin... You needn't be embarrassed by your apostrophe debacle. You can always choose a new pseudonym. I don't think anyone is using "John Doe" right now. Dave K8MN Dave, how's your run for the ARRL Roanoke Division office coming? |
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On Apr 17, 8:14 pm, wrote:
On Apr 14, 8:15?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 3:36?am, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message nk.net... Dudley wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... AF6AY wrote: On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote: Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil salesman" BS. If you slice it correctly, it means you don't know much of anything about my military service. ?It bugs you. Len appears to presume that anyone who has done something honorable will tell all about it in a public forum like this. He also appears to presume that failure to do so means the person has something to hide. Then again, if someone who has done something honorable does tell about it in this forum, Len will belittle him or call him a liar. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned. In my experience, both those presumptions are simply incorrect as general rules. Often a person who has done something honorable does not feel the need to blab it all over the place. ...or at very least, does not feel compelled to document it by providing Len Anderson scans of orders, documents or photographs. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned. There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's enemies list, what they have done makes no difference in how Len will treat them. Sure it does. For example, if someone is always correcting others, even when wearing the "cloak of well-meaningness," Len is not deceived and responds appropriately. He will use his attack techniques on them regardless of, say, their actual military/combat experience. Precisely! So there's no point in giving any information. So if by military service an asshole were to be given a pass, what would you say about that? On the other hand, why would some panty-waist claim that they've served in other ways? This has been demonstrated so many times that anyone with sense whom Len considers an "enemy" doesn't bother to tell Len anything about their life experience. Woe betide any man whose experience in any area exceeds that of Leonard Anderson. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. Len and I have had disagreements, Len has no professional experience in meteorology, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you two seem to have. Perhaps the both of you have thin skins... I can think of many areas where my experience exceeds that of Len Anderson. I can't. Most of those areas have nothing to do with Morse Code or amateur radio. Kindly list them. My curiousity is piqued. Why does Len feel that you how HIM any bits of history or personal details regarding YOUR military service? Len wants me to provide the information so that he can live up to the terms of the very accurate profile of his actions which N2EY wrote some years back. ?It says: "No matter what job, educational level, employer, or government/military service that a radio amateur has, if said radio amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be the target of Mr. Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic/racial/religious slurs, excessive emoticons and/or general infantile behavior." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --N2EY Yep. But that's an old version of the profile, which has been refined and updated over the years. Here's the latest version, straight from the author: "No matter what employment, education, life experience or government/military service someone has, if that person disagrees with any of Len's views, or corrects any of Len's mistakes, s/he will be the target of Len's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs, excessive emoticons, orders to shut up and/or general infantile behavior." Sums it all up in one long but accurate sentence. I keep forgetting about the newer version. ?I'll save it for future use. Think of it as a living document, like the Constitution. Refined and revised, but essentially the same over time. Hardly. You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic, as well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity? That's one possibility. Another is to accuse the person of having something to hide, being ashamed, or outright lying. Len, with an amateur radio license, acts no differently than Len without an amateur radio license. Here on rrap, at least. We do not know how he behaves away from Usenet. Why not try coaxing him on the air during a thunderstorm like you did Cecil??? Which reminds me that I have had QSOs on the amateur bands with at least 10 hams who have also posted to RRAP. Len, otoh.... Len would be wise to steer away from you two. Keep him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he needs same. Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he claims to decry in others, he does himself. That's what the shrinks call "projection". Len also exhibits classic textbook "transference" behavior, where he attributes to one person the actions of someone completely different. ...and not just one time. ?He has done so over and over and over. A clear and consistent pattern over time. At least when Len gets his point across, there's no fake cloak of well- meaningness. That's a far more honorable way of conducting oneself than your example. Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. IMHO, it's all about Len somehow "proving" he is better than anyone who disagrees with him. Right. ?Len's inferiority complex crops up frequently. ?He certainly doesn't like having it pointed out that he is a beginner in something or that he has less experience than another. ? Yet there is no shame in being a beginner, novice, neophyte, greenhorn, tyro, wet-behind-the-ears newcomer. But for some reason Len takes offense at those words. Then why do you try so hard to make it so? He has difficulties with anything he perceives to be rank, class or status, but he's the first guy to do a "look what *I've* done." You don't see the pattern, Dave? Len is all about rank, class and status - as long as the system used puts *him* at the top of the list. "Look what I've done" is a little different than "Look at what tests I've passed." So, Jim, what have you done? In what ways and areas are you more knowledgeable than Len? Kindly make a list. Allow me the luxury of but a comment or two, then I shall no longer lend any further credibility to Len by discussing this. I've noted that Len takes, as I said, a childish, perverted pleasure in playing word games while smiling to himself and needling others, yourself especially. He should be left ignored. Agreed. In the end, most people do just that. KH6HZ was probably the first, almost a decade ago. Len is apparently self-absorbed and, as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered. Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need him. Compare the number, length and tone of Len's posts (under a variety of screen names) and the truth of your statements becomes apparent. There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story writer, getting paid by the word. A PROFESSIONAL short story writer... All of the stories in "Ham Radio" magazine are short. Kindly list your published works... I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums it up. I'm not sure who "Myna Bird" is, but I think you are on target. Indded...er indedd...um...indeed! Something like that. When did it become unreasonable to expect proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation? Seems to me that something worth doing is worth doing right. 73 de Jim, N2EY Heil once said that a person who cannot spell correctly couldn't lead. Shortly thereafter he made a spelling error which I pointed out to him. Now he's running for an ARRL office... Seems to me that a person should at least adhere to their own convictions. |
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On Apr 18, 12:14�am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 14, 8:15?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 3:36?am, "Dudley" anon@anon wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message link.net... Dudley wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message hlink.net... AF6AY wrote: On Apr 12, 1:59?pm, wrote: *A person doesn't necessarily have to disagree with Len. *We've seen examples of Len biting the hand of one who is in basic agreement with him. * That's true. There are also examples where Len has lashed out at someone he perceives as having higher rank, status or class than Leonard. Also true. Remember what the shrinks call "projection" (when a person thinks that everyone else thinks the same way they do) and "transference" (when a person blames someone for perceived wrongs committed by a completely different person). Those are also in play. In my experience, both those presumptions are simply incorrect as general rules. Often a person who has done something honorable does not feel the need to blab it all over the place. ...or at very least, does not feel compelled to document it by providing Len Anderson scans of orders, documents or photographs. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. ...is perceived by Len to have higher rank, status or class than Len *or* if Len suddenly decides to bite the hand which feeds him. True enough. There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's enemies list, what they have done makes no difference in how Len will treat them. He will use his attack techniques on them regardless of, say, their actual military/combat experience. Precisely! So there's no point in giving any information. Right. *It prevents *some* of the behavior listed in the profile *and* it drives Len nuts. In mathematical terms, such information "drops out of the equation". If a person doesn't give information, Len demands it and insults the person for not giving it. If a person does give information, Len uses it to make up new insults. This has been demonstrated so many times that anyone with sense whom Len considers an "enemy" doesn't bother to tell Len anything about their life experience. Woe betide any man whose experience in any area exceeds that of Leonard Anderson. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. ...is perceived by Len to have higher rank, status or class than Len *or* if Len suddenly decides to bite the hand which feeds him. I can think of many areas where my experience exceeds that of Len Anderson. Most of those areas have nothing to do with Morse Code or amateur radio. It doesn't matter to him. * Exactly. Len has attacked my work in the Foreign Service. *Len has no experience whatever in that area. *He knows little of State Department communications techniques and practices of the past or present. *He knows little of the workings of the diplomatic community in general. Doesn't matter. The information you did give offended him in some way, and so it became the base for insults. However, I recall that at least some of your information involved the use of Morse Code to arrange RTTY radio communication for the Foreign Service. That alone was enough to set Len off. *I can easily guess what he'd do with detailed information about my Air Force service, based upon what he has written about my State Department employment. Of course - and not just that. Look at the classic "sphincters post", most of which consists of Len disparaging the work of a *US military* radio operator. Yep. But that's an old version of the profile, which has been refined and updated over the years. Here's the latest version, straight from the author: "No matter what employment, education, life experience or government/military service someone has, if that person disagrees with any of Len's views, or corrects any of Len's mistakes, s/he will be the target of Len's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs, excessive emoticons, orders to shut up and/or general infantile behavior." Sums it all up in one long but accurate sentence. I keep forgetting about the newer version. I'll save it for future use. Think of it as a living document, like the Constitution. Refined and revised, but essentially the same over time. You could always add amendments when the need arises. I just rework it a bit. You are correct. It clearly bothers Len that you are mum on this topic, as well you should be. What will Len next do? Issue another, more serious challenge and "double dog dare you" to satisfy his perverse curiousity? That's one possibility. Another is to accuse the person of having something to hide, being ashamed, or outright lying. Len, with an amateur radio license, acts no differently than Len without an amateur radio license. Here on rrap, at least. Of course. We do not know how he behaves away from Usenet. I'm really beyond caring. *This is where I encounter him. Actually, I made a mistake in my previous statement. We've seen how Len behaves outside Usenet in comments to FCC. Which reminds me that I have had QSOs on the amateur bands with at least 10 hams who have also posted to RRAP. Len, otoh.... That isn't something I find myself looking forward to. I don't think most hams will ever encounter Len on the amateur bands. Keep him guessing. It gives Len something to further grouse about...as if he needs same. Len lives up to the N2EY profile of his actions today as he did for all of those years during which he had no amateur radio license. What he claims to decry in others, he does himself. That's what the shrinks call "projection". Len also exhibits classic textbook "transference" behavior, where he attributes to one person the actions of someone completely different. ...and not just one time. ?He has done so over and over and over. A clear and consistent pattern over time. That time now exceeds ten years. *That's a pretty good baseline. Also over 10,000 postings to rrap alone, under a whole bunch of screen names. Then there's the inclusion of obviously intentional mistakes in Len's posts, as a way of getting attention from those who correct those mistakes. That one presents a bit of a moral dilemma, because to leave the mistakes uncorrected may cause some to be deceived by them. IMHO, it's all about Len somehow "proving" he is better than anyone who disagrees with him. Right. Len's inferiority complex crops up frequently. He certainly doesn't like having it pointed out that he is a beginner in something or that he has less experience than another. Yet there is no shame in being a beginner, novice, neophyte, greenhorn, tyro, wet-behind-the-ears newcomer. I freely admitted that I'd been a beginner. *You've admitted to being a beginner. *Every new ham has to start somewhere. The trouble is, Len wants to start at the top. But for some reason Len takes offense at those words. I think it for reasons of rank, status or class. *Len does not want to be seen as junior to anyone. Which makes him junior to almost everyone! He has difficulties with anything he perceives to be rank, class or status, but he's the first guy to do a "look what *I've* done." You don't see the pattern, Dave? Len is all about rank, class and status - as long as the system used puts *him* at the top of the list. I've been aware of it for years. Len is apparently self-absorbed and, as noted, becomes somewhat disgruntled when his diatribes go unanswered. Len desires attention...nay...NEEDS attention as evidenced by his lengthy posts. To ignore Len is to insult Len. He needs you far more than you need him. Compare the number, length and tone of Len's posts (under a variety of screen names) and the truth of your statements becomes apparent. There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story writer, getting paid by the word. A PROFESSIONAL short story writer... Heh. I look at Len with a sidewards, understanding glance. His comments are bolstered by but a few in these groups and if his supporters, such as the Myna Bird are any indication of his standing...well, that pretty much sums it up. I'm not sure who "Myna Bird" is, but I think you are on target. Indded...er indedd...um...indeed! Something like that. When did it become unreasonable to expect proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation? About the same time as educators adopted the view that we shouldn't do anything to harm a student's self-esteem. The problem isn't with the self-esteem issue, but with the interpretation. Here in Radnor Township, the educators I know think that having clear and consistent high standards is an essential part of building a student's self-esteem. Accepting poor work, in their view, actually damages a student's self- esteem far more than a correction. The idea is that if you expect, for example, proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation, and follow up by marking mistakes, you are telling the students that those things matter *and* that they can do all of them correctly. But if you accept shoddy work and don't call attention to mistakes, you are telling the students that they aren't smart enough to do it right. Most students know the difference. They see proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation all around them. Most will live up to - or down to - the expectations of the educators. The term "educators" includes parents, btw. Seems to me that something worth doing is worth doing right. Ah, Jim, 'tis a brave new world. In some places it is, Dave. But not everywhere. Newer isn't always better despite what some would have us believe. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
What Revolution?
On Apr 18, 1:23 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 17, 11:06 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 17, 1:11 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 16, 8:42 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 15, 10:15 am, Dave Heil wrote: The mistake is used to bait those who have an unreasonable need to correct others. Miccolis, Heil and Robesin fit that profile. It seems that your response includes intentional mistakes, used purely for baiting others. It seems that your response fits the "unreasonable need to correct others" profile. I made no effort to correct you. My statement above is true. I made no effort to bait you, yet here you are. The first portion of your statement is false. The first step in the process of correction is recognizing or manufacturing an error. I recognized the error which you manufactured. You manufactured the error which you claim to have recognized. Now what? Now you've manufactured another error. Dave K8MN That distinction is yours. |
What Revolution?
From: on 17 Apr 2007 18:10:22 -0700
Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 17, 8:14 pm, wrote: On Apr 14, 8:15?pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 14, 3:36?am, "Dudley" doodoo@wrong wrote: Len appears to presume that anyone who has done something honorable will tell all about it in a public forum like this. He also appears to presume that failure to do so means the person has something to hide. Then again, if someone who has done something honorable does tell about it in this forum, Len will belittle him or call him a liar. Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned. A LOT thin-skinned. :-) I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned. Jimmie Noserve has a personality conflict with me because I am an "atheist" to the religion of morse...or perhaps I allow myself to change my mind like other human beings. There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's enemies list, what they have done makes no difference in how Len will treat them. Sure it does. For example, if someone is always correcting others, even when wearing the "cloak of well-meaningness," Len is not deceived and responds appropriately. Brian, these creatures just aren't acquainted with the Nature of the computer-modem beast. They are new to the jungle and resent not being accepted as a Tarzan. :-) They be Cheetah. Ook, ook. He will use his attack techniques on them regardless of, say, their actual military/combat experience. Precisely! So there's no point in giving any information. So if by military service an asshole were to be given a pass, what would you say about that? Jimmie Noserve knows not about "assholes" nor military service. He's never served. He might have gone to a lot of movies and seen war films, though... On the other hand, why would some panty-waist claim that they've served in other ways? Good question! Only if that person expresses disagreement with any of Len's statements. Len and I have had disagreements, Len has no professional experience in meteorology, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you two seem to have. Perhaps the both of you have thin skins... I'd say NO skin. All hyper-sensitive nerve endings. :-) I can think of many areas where my experience exceeds that of Len Anderson. I can't. I can. Morsemanship. Jimmie REALLY did his thing on that, "serving the nation in other ways." Most of those areas have nothing to do with Morse Code or amateur radio. Kindly list them. Brian, don't hold your breath waiting for an answer on THAT! :-) Think of it as a living document, like the Constitution. Refined and revised, but essentially the same over time. Hardly. Indeed! Jimmie Noserve must have "served his own constitution" by making up "profiles." Maybe he swore under oath to serve the "constitution" of his fantasy world? We do not know how he behaves away from Usenet. Why not try coaxing him on the air during a thunderstorm like you did Cecil??? Well...not many thunderstorms happen here in southern California. Why does Jimmie think I'd be using OOK CW? :-) Which reminds me that I have had QSOs on the amateur bands with at least 10 hams who have also posted to RRAP. Len, otoh.... Len would be wise to steer away from you two. Er, I've never traveled steerage. Never herded any steers. I've steered automobiles successfully for 56 years...even in eastern Pennsylvania! :-) At least when Len gets his point across, there's no fake cloak of well- meaningness. That's a far more honorable way of conducting oneself than your example. Tsk, I never went to a parochial school. From what I've heard about them, I wouldn't want to be "taught" by Sister Nun of the Above, either. :-) Yet there is no shame in being a beginner, novice, neophyte, greenhorn, tyro, wet-behind-the-ears newcomer. But for some reason Len takes offense at those words. Then why do you try so hard to make it so? Jimmie must think that "amateur radio" operates ENTIRELY DIFFERENT and with DIFFERENT LAWS OF PHYSICS than all other radio. Perhaps he also thinks that "amateur radio" procedures and protocol are SO COMPLEX AND DIFFERENT than all other radio services? Now, if he has bought into that fantasy, then, of course, he would be "right" in laying into "newbies" about them being "beginners, novices, neophytes, greenhorns, tyros, wet-behind-the-ears newcomers!" Jimmie loves the fantasy role-playing of being a ruff and tuff dill sergeant "chewing out recruits" and "putting them in their place!" :-) Trouble is, ALL radios work by the SAME laws of physics. Each radio service has its OWN jargon and procedures. Jimmie not know this, never having any experience with anything BUT amateur radio. Jimmie have experience IN military radio? Absolutely not. Jimmie have experience IN broadcasting service? He hasn't admitted it. [has he had experiences with broads? we don't know that, either] Jimmie have experience IN aviation radio services, either on the ground or in the air? He hasn't said so. Jimmie have experience IN maritime radio services? He no say that either. Jimmie have experience IN Private Land Mobile Radio Service? No, Jimmie not say that. Jimmie have experience IN radio working with Department of Defense contracts? Jimmie not admit that. Jimmie ever use a CB? :-) Probably not, no place to plug in a code key on those. Jimmie ever use an FRS HT? He no say. Jimmie ever use an amateur radio above 30 MHz? He no say dat (not much Morse up there, some but sparse) Jimmie ever use a cordless or cell phone? He no say dat. Jimmie ever use a "keyless entry" transmitter to lock or unlock his car? Does Jimmie own a car? Tsk, I've done all the above, all legally. Over the last 55 years. Sometimes using voice, sometimes using data, sometimes using modulation that isn't allocated or allowed by the FCC for radio amateurs. No sweat. It's all RADIO of one form or another. Ah, but in Jimmieworld, amateur radio is SO DIFFERENT, SO COMPLEX that one MUST go "through the ranks" from raw, "duh" level recruit to apprentice, then progress to journeyman level. Only after YEARS of dilligent hard work can anyone begin to approach the majesty of his Master level (naturally by morsemanship). Jimmie once write that amateur extra is too complex to reach for me. Poor baby. I took and passed all required US amateur radio tests to reach Amateur Extra in one test session. Jimmie very ****ed I do that. I not ask his majesty's permission first. Tsk, tsk, I so bad... Jimmie get ****ed I can pay for Icom 746Pro on credit card without time payment. Poor baby. I work long time to earn money, put away in accounts, earn interest. I spend and Jimmie get angry...he no got money put away? Len is all about rank, class and status - as long as the system used puts *him* at the top of the list. "Look what I've done" is a little different than "Look at what tests I've passed." Jimmie earn BS and MS degrees at college long time ago. He be very smart, he say. Jimmie not say how smarts allow him do things at work or even what work is. So, Jim, what have you done? In what ways and areas are you more knowledgeable than Len? Kindly make a list. Jimmie have MS. That better than BS he speak about Morse. Jimmie be code-tested Amateur Extra. Very smart, very big on amateur knowledge, "renowned amateur historian" self-description for ham history knowledge cribbed from League sources. I not smart enough for Jimmie's crowd. Not know fast OOK CW, never do it. Bad, bad, wrong attitude for olde-tyme hamateur radio, not appreciate Jimmie pioneering radio airwaves while helping Reggie Fessenden back in ought-six. There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story writer, getting paid by the word. A PROFESSIONAL short story writer... All of the stories in "Ham Radio" magazine are short. Kindly list your published works... I have sold *NO* fiction to Ham Radio magzine. None to Byte, none to Microcomputing, none to Call-A.P.P.L.E., none to ELECTROMICS magazine (that was). All FACT, all articles that had information that could be duplicated by others, all compensated by monies duly reported to IRS. I've sold some fiction to non-electronic, non-radio, non- computer interest magazines. That doesn't include the fantasy- oriented radio amateurs in here. :-) Seems to me that something worth doing is worth doing right. Heil once said that a person who cannot spell correctly couldn't lead. Shortly thereafter he made a spelling error which I pointed out to him. Now he's running for an ARRL office... I think that's good. It's a long distance from West Virginia to Newington, CT. The exercise will help him lose his excess baggage. Maybe Jimmie can run alongside him and help him along? :-) Seems to me that a person should at least adhere to their own convictions. Well, I've never been arrested, much less convicted of anything. I've been TO a couple jails but never locked up in one. :-) I once squeezed out too much crazy glue and it adhered to three fingers. I made a statement seven years ago and Jimmie thought that I'd made an Oath for Life! Bad me. I thought some folks could take a turn-of-phrase correctly but Jimmie be a hidebound conservative Literalist and doesn't EVER accept that folks can change their minds! Am I having fun yet? *NOT* in here! :-) 73, Len AF6AY |
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