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On Mar 31, 4:30�am, wrote:
On Mar 30, 2:47 am, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 5:52?pm, wrote: On Mar 29, 10:19 pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 3:08?am, wrote: On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote: You didn't serve in Korea. ? ?As far as I'm concerned, Heil hasn't shown us ANY proof ? ?that He was in southeast Asia during his military service. I believe him. ?Then there was the American Embassy in Tanzania. ?I've wondered about his proximity during the bombing. * *Well, let's just say that Heil's PROOF of service is a tad * *scant. *:-) I saw his web page. *He's not one of the nuts that claims to have been in Vietnam and at Woodstock simultaneously. Heil has a web page all his own? Interesting... You made up your classic tale of what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage. ? Did Len get it wrong? ?Tell us what it's like. ? ?I'd like to know what David "knows." ?I've been roughly ? ?200 yards from an artillery fall...which was 300 yards ? ?too close to the training group I was in. Yeh, there's usuall one KIA on every FTX, but usually from a vehicle accident or pushing a mast ito power lines or something usually preventable. ?We had a round impact next to dmain - I think it was moonsan during Winter Haze. ?They really shouldn't let those guys play with those things. ?They could hurt someone. * *Right! *The cadre we had were mostly career officers of * *the red (artillery) and were NOT happy about THEM being * *so close to the fall zone. Many officers lacked a sense of humor. Ahem...the bunch of us doing PIP training were in FULL AGREEMENT with those two first johns! :-) Your smugness is legendary. ? ?It must be his training at the Fruenze Military Academy. ?:-) Did they win the war? * *Yes, they did! * [see private e-mail] Not in my long-time account, and I just checked my hotmail account - it was inactive and I had to start it up again. *No messages. Roger that. Please let me know in private e-mail what the correct account is... ? ?Well, we've had Major Dud in here expostulating up a storm ? ?about his "USMC career." ? Curtailed career with no explanation whatsoever... ?VA hospital, rehabilitation, and disability pension, but was never injured, save for some grit that got in his eye once. ?Hmmmm? * *Heh...but he finally got some RANK. *I looked in on his * *home page. *A much newer flight suit, but less hair and * *more pudgyness. *Still the familiar scowl. *He must think * *that makes him look like a "tough guy." *:-) When you're that short, you've got to use every angle to get a little respect. *Have you visited any of his "other" web pages? No. I don't expect anything different than his AOL home page. :-) ? ?We've had Heil telling all sorts of ? ?things about "being in a country AT war." ?Those all blend ? ?together, don't they? So who hasn't? ?Most of the people I actually know have been deployed. ?I don't actually know Jim, but I'm told he has served in other ways. * *Serving is serving. *Who knows, he could have been a bus * *boy at an O Club somewhere in PA when going to collitch. * *Bus boys sometimes do serving. For all we know Jim is blind or in a wheelchair and had a perfectly legitimate reason for not serving. *Is Jim blind or in a wheelchair? I have NO idea. I've only seen his brother's picture that came up in a Search for other information of different topics. ? ?Did David actually OPERATE any radios (other than a BC ? ?receiver) in Vietnam? ?I must have missed one of his brags ? ?about that because I don't recall him giving any information ? ?on that. ?I really can't believe half of what he says in here. All I can recall about his retelling of his Vietnam period was being PO'd at not being permitted to be a ham over there. * *Really? *I thought he ran the Vietnam MARS stations all * *by himself! * I was mistaken. * :-) That was Robesin - eavesdropping on phone patches with the wives... From Oki. :-) Back in '55 there was a regular "soap opera" on the Okinawa SSB radio circuit over the second voice channel. Between 1 AM and 2 PM local (Japan and Oki) time, a Major in Tokyo would call up his Captain nurse girlfriend in Okinawa and generally babble all about how she ought to marry him when he got rid of his current wife. Not bad technique he had but I have no idea what happened afterwards. That lasted for about a month and I doubt the Major (who must have had some comms authority) was aware that 20 to 30 guys were listening in at various places on the circuit. Made the midnight shift a bit entertaining, dull as it normally was locally. :-) * *Hilversum's PCJ is world famous and Eddie Starz was still * *alive in 1965. *Terrific linguist, could handle most of the * *languages himself! *"Peace, Cheer, Joy" is what he called * *PCJ. *Difficult for me to get Holland directly so I tune for * *their Netherlands Antilles repeater station. I imagine that's where my interest in radio came from. *Hey, that old radio had tubes! Sunnuvagun! :-) ? ?But, David is passing a brick about my being a "newcomer ? ?to radio" (after 54 years of that) and I guess we are supposed ? ?to let him do that. ?[the pain must be excrutiating for him] Yikes! ?That's one rough gall stone! * *He's a big guy, ruff and tuff...he can take it. He should seek medical help. I nominate "doctor robeson" since he is up on all that medical stuff and has all those certificates and training, etc. :-) Anyway, I've passed the 20 year mark in amateur radio, and in ham years I'm still wet behind the ears... ?according to the coded elitists. * *Nobody "better" than the coded elitists. *Ask any one of them. * *Sigh...there'l be no peace for them until the last coder's key * *is pried from their cold, dead fingers. *I'll be helping with the * *pry bar when it happens. *:-) I've already got one; don't need another. *For all I care they can be buried with them. *Hopefully it's not one of those $400 jewels and the grave robbers leave them alone. *RIP, I say! Well, some of those keys have beautiful mechanical and plating workmanship. Saw one at the local HRO outlet in Burbank, CA, the other day...imported from Sweden! :-) I got a kick out of that "imported" remark...being of Swedish descent and Burbank having more-than-average Scandinavians who once worked at Lockheed Aircraft. So nicely made that I doubt the morse code on it had any Swedish accent. :-) 73, Len AF6AY |
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On Mar 29, 6:24�pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. *I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. *He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several publicly-accessible references and documented licenses. :-) Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors and civilian government service "careerists." :-) Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone operator license 51 years ago NOT count? Of course it "doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY one can "get experience" according to the snipers and general cat-callers. -- and the fact that the actuarial tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left... I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. *Any of us could easily go before Len does. *All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. *The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil. I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and 51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government. -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. *I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. *I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. *It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47 again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via amateur radio. What does that prove? The capability of making lots of [transitory] contacts? Yes, but doing so many is little more than accumulating some self-logged contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain. There are collectors who have amassed great quantities of pennies, string, and other items. If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-) *He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. Already done. :-) Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but don't lose your head in excoriating them... 73, Len AF6AY |
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On Apr 2, 1:35 pm, wrote:
On 29 Mar 2007 18:58:44 -0700, wrote: On Mar 29, 10:38 pm, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: On Mar 29, 3:08?am, wrote: On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote: You bleated something about Korea. ? You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division Directorship. ?How's your nomination coming? He may have only 1 nomination vote. shrug I've not announced that I'm running for any ARRL office. If or when I do, you'll not have a chance to vote for a candidate from the Roanoke Division. I understand your error. You're a newcomer to amateur radio. Apparently not. Len understands that he cannot vote for you. Gee I thought Len could Vote for Dave if I he wnated to file some kind of statemetement declaring that area his real home area something like that I don't know anything about that. Maybe Dave the keeper of the rules can expand on it. |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement... -- and the fact that the actuarial tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left... I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. Or Robesin's predictions for "Slashed tires, bricks through windows, and terrorized wives..." The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham radio for you... -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. Get off the branch water and it might be possible for you to get it done... unless you're taking time out to run for Director of the Roanoke Division. It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. Better find a DXpedition. If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. Dave K8MN No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver... |
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AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24�pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. �I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. �He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several publicly-accessible references and documented licenses. :-) I've seen little indication that anyone but you cares. Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone operator license 51 years ago NOT count? Not count as what, Leonard? Of course it "doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY one can "get experience" according to the snipers and general cat-callers. It certainly doesn't count as experience in amateur radio, Len. That's a plain and simple fact. -- and the fact that the actuarial tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left... I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. �Any of us could easily go before Len does. �All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. �The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil. I've always done so. I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and 51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government. That's great, Len. I'm happy for you. I hope you'll gain some experience in amateur radio. Perhaps you'll learn the ropes and lose that neophyte status. -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. �I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. �I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. �It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47 again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... You don't have to make any contacts at all, Len. It really won't bother me. So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via amateur radio. Way over that number, Leonard. All human radio contacts are transitory. What does that prove? The capability of making lots of [transitory] contacts? The only kind of radio contacts there are, happen to be transitory. Yes, but doing so many is little more than accumulating some self-logged contacts... Self-logged? What other kind are there? ...that take a relatively long time to ascertain. What, pray tell, does that mean? There are collectors who have amassed great quantities of pennies, string, and other items. Great, Len. If you'd like to do one of those things, feel free. If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-) Right. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. Already done. :-) Having all the fun you're capable of having? :-) Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but don't lose your head in excoriating them... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote:
... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Dave K8MN Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! 8-) JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: ... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Dave K8MN Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! 8-) I'll bet. His problem is where to find a bunch of genderless midgets. Who knows, they might elect him their leader. Dave K8MN |
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"Dave Heil" wrote:
I'll bet. His problem is where to find a bunch of genderless midgets. Who knows, they might elect him their leader. Follow the diamond-brick road.... Follow the diamond-brick road.... Follow, follow, follow, follow Follow the diamond-brick road.... |
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On Apr 4, 11:50 am, Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith I wrote: Dave Heil wrote: ... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Dave K8MN Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! 8-) I'll bet. His problem is where to find a bunch of genderless midgets. Who knows, they might elect him their leader. Dave K8MN Speaking of genderless midgets, elections, and leaders, how's your run for the Roanoke Division Directorship going? |
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From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007
06:17:11 -0700 Dave Heil snarled: ... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! 8-) Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from the Government! [here to help? nah...] He WAS DX! Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have... "working DX on HF with CW." :-) I've got to stay away from those rainbows...all those Little People near them with little round pots. 73, Len AF6AY |
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AF6AY wrote:
... Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from the Government! [here to help? nah...] He WAS DX! ... 73, Len AF6AY Len: I am quite sure the problem is all on this end; the importance of pointless bickering has always escaped me ... Regards, JS |
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On Apr 5, 3:52�am, John Smith I wrote:
AF6AY wrote: * ... * *Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from * *the Government! *[here to help? *nah...] * *He WAS DX! Len: I am quite sure the problem is all on this end; *the importance of pointless bickering has always escaped me ... It ain't "pointless bickering" in Heil's case. In the typical "look at me, I am SOMEBODY" fashion of computer-modem comms, the bickerer has to come out on top, regardless. During Word War 3 prior to FCC 06-178, morsemen HAD to be on top. It was almost a compulsion. Just about all the old morse myths were brought out, dusted off, and presented in all their "glory" despite being outmoded, out- dated, too worn to use in the future. Morsemen were intensely PROUD of their skill and were bound and determined to shove it down everyone's throat...whether anyone actually thought much of the mode or not. They had rank, status, privilege all because of that morse skill and hated to lose any of it. It was almost a fight for survival of a species...it was THEM or no one...and to hell with what any newcomer thinks or for the future of US amateur radio. It was extremism in the defence of their very-private playground. [de fence was up and trying to keep off the encroaching voice modes] Early on I had mentioned my military service assignment. I thought it was adequate proof that "CW" wasn't up to the task of hundreds of thousands of message relays per month (teleprinter was used)...the necessity for an entire military theater of operations doing 24/7 duty during the Cold War. No, the morsemen HAD to try turning that around to "my bragging" and a general big nothing during Word War 3. Sure, I did brag some since I absolutely lucked out on that assignment, even if the station was only the third largest in the Army worldwide network. Even being only third, pushing 220K messages relayed a month 24/7 is Big Business any way one slices it. The amateur national network can't come close to that using RTTY and certainly not via "CW." Manual "CW" even at 20 to 40 WPM just can't beat the old 60 WPM machinery (then the only form of Data using electromechanical terminals). That was in 1953 to 1956 and most of the "CW" super- skilled hams in here were just being born (a few not yet conceived). The military was ramping up its skills and beginning to go 100 WPM teleprinter, 300 WPM "Data" (that word not yet in vogue then), using Troposcatter and hoping satellites could be put up without the launch vehicles constantly exploding on the pad. All was accomplished and more, no military OR commercial service looking back to quaint old methods. Yet the superskilled (self-imagined) hams HAD to stay with ALL needing to be federally tested for "important" skill of morse code! For a hobby activity yet. Morsemen had done it, therefore "all could do it." None of the Word War 3 fighting on morsemanship was "pointless bickering" to the morsemen. They were the "best radio operators" and HAD to tell everyone they were. Years and years of them honing their twitchy- fingered skills on the paddles made them a needed resource in homeland defense and security of the nation, the amateur radio SERVICE...and all should look up to them, admire them, salute them as they entered a room and other ossifer courtesy tenderred in utmost respect and reverence. So, on 17th February I decided to get in the amateur radio hobby. Might be fun...except in here waging the on-going gorilla fight in the post Word War 3 era. I became an Extra Out Of The Box by test on February 25th, by law on 7 March. All the operating privileges of any OTHER Extra are mine, no restrictions by law. Now Heil wants to drone on that I'm such a "Beginner, a Neophyte" in ANY radio, amateur or not. After 54 years of doing it in many radio services? Amateurism is extra super-special most very difficult to learn? No. It is for me and morsemanship, something I will probably never use, but who really cares except morsemen? The FCC gives the OPTION to any amateur to use ANY allocated mode, any allocated band. Ah, but Heil, Miccolis, Kelly, et al, say I "MUST" use "CW" to "PROVE WORTH." Prove to whom? To them? Mais non, mon ami, they be just little people, almost a protected species of old and, with the protection they had gone, now a dying breed. They continue their POINTLESS BICKERING yet, trying to put down all those who do not agree with Their magnificence and god-like skills. It is Them against the rest of the radio world and they are losing. Let them bicker and rant. It is all they have left in the wreckage of their fallen towers and former imagined glory. 73, Len AF6AY |
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AF6AY wrote:
From: on Tues, Apr 3 2007 6:35 pm On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote: KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement... That's all I expect from the Robust Oberst. :-) There was envy expressed, Windy. But then, we are speaking of "Mister DeeEcks" of Department of State (Retired)...who BECAME DX Out Of Africa and Finland under State's generous "A DX of One" program to help hams worldwide get a rare one. Hard to beat that...and he got PAID to do it! Most folks who work for an employer expect to be paid. Did you ever work for any employer for free? Me, I just did (like you did) what I was told to do and also be proficient at "destroying the enemy" in my military service. Have you ever destroyed an enemy, Leonard? I dunno why Mister DeeEcks thinks I should "get on 75m" when there is already an established net on 20m of ex-RCA employees who get together every morning. Oh, I just picked a band at random. You can tell your tales on 20m if you choose. I worked with some of them in real life (as opposed to the imaginary life spent staring at front panels while gabbing with relative strangers). :-) If I'm to believe your statement, I never stared at a front panel and chatted with relative strangers, I simply imagined that I did. The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham radio for you... We really don't know how long he was there. No, you really don't. According to a couple websites, he was a rock musician - guitarist for ten years with several bands. Those aren't "ham bands." :-) ....nor was there any claim that they were "ham bands." That occupied some of the 22 years between first being licensed (1963) and being sent to the Finland Embassy (1985). Four of my years after licensing were spent completing high school. I was never sent to the Finland Embassy. I was assigned to the American Embassy. He got his Vanity call of K8MN in 1977... I don't have a vanity callsign, Len. ...and there's 8 years between that and his first Helsinki posting. Call them "mytery years" if you like, Leonard. They can remain a mystery to you. -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. I still don't understand this NECESSITY of "logging thousands of contacts"...just to log thousands of contacts? I see part of your confusion, Leonardo. They aren't done just to log thousands of contacts. What does one DO with all those logs? Ahhhh, another of life's eternal mysteries! I would suggest just recycling those logs to save real logs from being turned into paper pulp to "archive" ham logs. Putting it all into CD R/W discs for archival would require using Chinese-manufacture CD blanks whose plastic is made from non-renewable petroleum. There's no longer any requirement for you to maintain a log, Len. I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. 1985 to 2000 is just FIFTEEN years. Wow, all that FREE TIME (paid for?) between "assignments." Not a bad gig, 11 months of "work" a year. That "free time" isn't all "free time", Len. There are Washington consultations regarding the previous and upcoming assignments. There are visas to be obtained, medical exams, vaccinations to be obtained. There are classes to be taken, sometimes four or five of them. The "free time" can be either before or after those things. It is called Home Leave and it is not charged to annual leave. Usually thirty working days of Home Leave is mandated between assignments. Very "European." It's very American. The Home Leave is mandated by Congress. Most Foreign Service employees spend most of their working lives overseas. It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. Better find a DXpedition. This time he gonna have to PAY for it out of his own pocket (and pension check). :-) ....at least that is your assumption. :-) If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver... My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a suburb of Chicago, IL. Really? Fairview Heights has been moved from the St. Louis area to near Chicago? You have made another in a long series of factual errors. I use the Heil products here, Leonard. As you may know, with quality microphones, what you get out of it is only as good as what you put into it. Dave K8MN |
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AF6AY wrote:
From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:17:11 -0700 Dave Heil snarled: ... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! 8-) Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from the Government! [here to help? nah...] He WAS DX! Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have... "working DX on HF with CW." :-) As you've been advised repeatedly, the only person making such a claim is Leonard H. Anderson, now a neophyte in amateur radio. Dave K8MN |
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On Apr 5, 2:41 am, "AF6AY" wrote:
From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:17:11 -0700 Dave Heil snarled: ... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! 8-) Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from the Government! [here to help? nah...] He WAS DX! Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have... "working DX on HF with CW." :-) I've got to stay away from those rainbows...all those Little People near them with little round pots. 73, Len AF6AY I think Heil's out of band Frenchmen were on voice... that mode will getcha in trouble every time! |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Apr 5, 2:40 am, "AF6AY" wrote:
From: on Tues, Apr 3 2007 6:35 pm On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote: KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement... That's all I expect from the Robust Oberst. :-) That's good. That's all you'll ever get. But then, we are speaking of "Mister DeeEcks" of Department of State (Retired)...who BECAME DX Out Of Africa and Finland under State's generous "A DX of One" program to help hams worldwide get a rare one. Hard to beat that...and he got PAID to do it! He never once did ham radio while at work. Just ask him. Me, I just did (like you did) what I was told to do and also be proficient at "destroying the enemy" in my military service. That I lucked out on my military assignment wasn't any doing of mine. But, I DID take advantage of learning, observing all that went on, asking questions to study more...and making friends with a lot of good people, both military and civilian. Lots of night school, too. I dunno why Mister DeeEcks thinks I should "get on 75m" when there is already an established net on 20m of ex-RCA employees who get together every morning. I worked with some of them in real life (as opposed to the imaginary life spent staring at front panels while gabbing with relative strangers). :-) I like talking to strangers, as long as there not as strange as some on RRAP. -- and the fact that the actuarial tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left... I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. Or Robesin's predictions for "Slashed tires, bricks through windows, and terrorized wives..." Robesin is the Public Affairs Officer for his CAP unit in TN. Some "public affairs" of his must be kinda 'private.' :-) Wow, if Robesin is typical of CAP Public Affairs, the CAP is in a HEAP of trouble! He must be screwing up - they've promoted him. Two words... background investigation. The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham radio for you... We really don't know how long he was there. [Robesin syndrome?] Yikes! I hadn't considered that. According to a couple websites, he was a rock musician - guitarist for ten years with several bands. Those aren't "ham bands." :-) That occupied some of the 22 years between first being licensed (1963) and being sent to the Finland Embassy (1985). He got his Vanity call of K8MN in 1977 and there's 8 years between that and his first Helsinki posting. Wonder why he selected Minnesota for a suffix? -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. I still don't understand this NECESSITY of "logging thousands of contacts"...just to log thousands of contacts? Compensation? What does one DO with all those logs? I would suggest just recycling those logs to save real logs from being turned into paper pulp to "archive" ham logs. Putting it all into CD R/W discs for archival would require using Chinese-manufacture CD blanks whose plastic is made from non-renewable petroleum. Mine are in my garage. That's where all my "important" papers are. I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. 1985 to 2000 is just FIFTEEN years. Wow, all that FREE TIME (paid for?) between "assignments." Not a bad gig, 11 months of "work" a year. Very "European." Europeans work far less than 11 months a year. That's why they have so many trade restrictions with the USA... to level the playing field. Get off the branch water and it might be possible for you to get it done... unless you're taking time out to run for Director of the Roanoke Division. He ought to lay off the Marlboros, too...not to mention the brannvin. Of course, another storm might come up and the OTHER tower fall over...thus taking more time away from all that "logging." Heil had a tower failure? It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. Better find a DXpedition. This time he gonna have to PAY for it out of his own pocket (and pension check). :-) Mr. Roarke might help him out on an expedition to Fantasy Island? :-) "de blane! de blane!" American Samoa might be a good gig. If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver... My IC-746Pro is made in Japan. The companion SP-23 filter-speaker is made in China. I haven't looked to see where the PS-125 (free) 12 VDC supply is made. My MFJ dry dummy load is made in Starkville, MS. My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a suburb of Chicago, IL. I don't know about that. Bob used to have his shop in Marissa, Illinois, just south of my old address in the shadow of St Louis. Later he opened small shop in Fairview Heights, where the sales tax is 7% because they have a shopping mall. He had mostly high-definition TV at that location, so I don't know where he's manufacturing the microphone line, or if he's "outsourced" it. The vertical antenna I will probably get will be made in Issaquah, WA, (on the Puget Sound). I dunno WHERE the wire I am using for a temporary HF antenna was made. That is matched by an LDG AT-100Pro Autotuner (powered by the IC-746Pro). The Diamond discone I'm using for 10m through 23cm was made in Japan (very well made at that) and it is held up by some thin-wall conduit pipe made in the USA with a Cable Experts RG-8 coax cable bringing it into the house office (I didn't check where the coax or UHF connector fitting assembly happened...didn't know that was so IMPORTANT!). No sweat...whatever I have, Davey Heil will PUT IT DOWN! :-) He always does... 73, Len AF6AY I'm partial to ICOM gear. But I've got a little bit of everything - even radio shack. |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
From: on 5 Apr 2007 15:18:49 -0700
From: on Tues, Apr 3 2007 6:35 pm On Mar 29, 11:24 pm, Dave Heil wrote: KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. Wow, lots of envy and hostility in that statement... That's all I expect from the Robust Oberst. :-) That's good. That's all you'll ever get. I know. It never fails... :-) But then, we are speaking of "Mister DeeEcks" of Department of State (Retired)...who BECAME DX Out Of Africa and Finland under State's generous "A DX of One" program to help hams worldwide get a rare one. Hard to beat that...and he got PAID to do it! He never once did ham radio while at work. Just ask him. That's like asking Robesin something. :-) Me, I just did (like you did) what I was told to do and also be proficient at "destroying the enemy" in my military service. That I lucked out on my military assignment wasn't any doing of mine. But, I DID take advantage of learning, observing all that went on, asking questions to study more...and making friends with a lot of good people, both military and civilian. Lots of night school, too. Not in the Army...in civilian life...to satisfy personnel departments with "credentials" while I had already done the responsible design engineering. :-( Herr Robust made some crack about "how many did I destroy?" Ya know, He NEVER said anything about His military service that could be pinned down to something substantial. I think he's just one of those fakers who IMPLY things and then bluff out on some (bogus) claims of "post traumatic stress." I dunno why Mister DeeEcks thinks I should "get on 75m" when there is already an established net on 20m of ex-RCA employees who get together every morning. I worked with some of them in real life (as opposed to the imaginary life spent staring at front panels while gabbing with relative strangers). :-) I like talking to strangers, as long as there not as strange as some on RRAP. Alas, some strangers ARE most strange indeed. I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. Or Robesin's predictions for "Slashed tires, bricks through windows, and terrorized wives..." Robesin is the Public Affairs Officer for his CAP unit in TN. Some "public affairs" of his must be kinda 'private.' :-) Wow, if Robesin is typical of CAP Public Affairs, the CAP is in a HEAP of trouble! He must be screwing up - they've promoted him. Two words... background investigation. Two more words... fails background. The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham radio for you... We really don't know how long he was there. [Robesin syndrome?] Yikes! I hadn't considered that. He's a smoothie on "convincing" folks. Turns right around and becomes snarly when someone argues the opposite of what he's declared. Otherwise, same-o, same-o. According to a couple websites, he was a rock musician - guitarist for ten years with several bands. Those aren't "ham bands." :-) That occupied some of the 22 years between first being licensed (1963) and being sent to the Finland Embassy (1985). He got his Vanity call of K8MN in 1977 and there's 8 years between that and his first Helsinki posting. Wonder why he selected Minnesota for a suffix? That's an "in memoriam" Vanity callsign to honor his Elmer. -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. I still don't understand this NECESSITY of "logging thousands of contacts"...just to log thousands of contacts? Compensation? Well, it's something. Something like collecting string, stamps, dolls, paperweights, all sorts of different memorabilia and knick- knacks. What does one DO with all those logs? I would suggest just recycling those logs to save real logs from being turned into paper pulp to "archive" ham logs. Putting it all into CD R/W discs for archival would require using Chinese-manufacture CD blanks whose plastic is made from non-renewable petroleum. Mine are in my garage. That's where all my "important" papers are. My REALLY important papers are in my safety deposit box. Since there's NO necessity to keep logs (except for the "new" modes like SS) I think some jottings on scratch paper ought to suffice. Words on the VEC QP say "it's a good idea for resolving inter- ference complaints." I don't know how that can "resolve" them since it would be kept by the person allegedly doing the RFI. Such wouldn't stand up in court. But, lots of hams like to act like "pros" at broadcast stations, so they keep logs. Last time I did any broadcasting, the only thing noted in logs was when a station was OFF the air beyond its normal, announced hours. I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. 1985 to 2000 is just FIFTEEN years. Wow, all that FREE TIME (paid for?) between "assignments." Not a bad gig, 11 months of "work" a year. Very "European." Europeans work far less than 11 months a year. That's why they have so many trade restrictions with the USA... to level the playing field. heh heh heh. That's one way to look at it. Get off the branch water and it might be possible for you to get it done... unless you're taking time out to run for Director of the Roanoke Division. He ought to lay off the Marlboros, too...not to mention the brannvin. Of course, another storm might come up and the OTHER tower fall over...thus taking more time away from all that "logging." Heil had a tower failure? Yah. 2004. He's got TWO towers. One buckled somewhere in its middle and it came down, elements of one beam punching a hole in his roof. He has pictures of it on some personal web site. Not a pretty sight. On the same web site he's got a picture of a small bottle of Finnish vodka. Swedes label the "hard" spirits 'brannvin,' literally translates as 'burn wine.' From the same pictures Heil appears to be a lefty, in one of them twiddling a bug's paddles with the left, a package of Marlboros at the ready by his right hand. It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. Better find a DXpedition. This time he gonna have to PAY for it out of his own pocket (and pension check). :-) Mr. Roarke might help him out on an expedition to Fantasy Island? :-) "de blane! de blane!" American Samoa might be a good gig. I think that might have been done. :-) If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. No different than you unboxing your TN transceiver... My IC-746Pro is made in Japan. The companion SP-23 filter-speaker is made in China. I haven't looked to see where the PS-125 (free) 12 VDC supply is made. My MFJ dry dummy load is made in Starkville, MS. My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a suburb of Chicago, IL. I don't know about that. Heh heh heh...I was testing Heil again to see if he was paying attention. :-) Fairview Heights, IL, is just a few miles east of the Big Muddy and East Saint Louis, IL. A few miles farther east and one cuts north to go to Springfield. BTW, I heartily recommend going to the Abraham Lincoln Museum in downtown Springfield...new, only been open for a few years and is a GREAT experience for anyone wanting to relive the times of his life and the American Civil War era. Good parking a block away and minimal charge to enter. Fabulous exhibits. You can take your own picture standing with the Lincoln family in the rotunda (only place where they allow photography...life-size mannikins with authentic clothing). Note that I did NOT say where the LDG autotuner was made. Tsk, I should have been given a "reminder" by know-it-all morsemen on that! :-) Bob used to have his shop in Marissa, Illinois, just south of my old address in the shadow of St Louis. Later he opened small shop in Fairview Heights, where the sales tax is 7% because they have a shopping mall. He had mostly high-definition TV at that location, so I don't know where he's manufacturing the microphone line, or if he's "outsourced" it. Hi-Def TV? That must be a continuing thing then since HDTV is just beginning to catch on in consumer electronics. Heil Sound uses SOME off-shore made components, certainly in accessories. The color, feel, shape of some of the bags for mikes are the SAME as what H-P had for some of their calculators 25 years ago (such as my olf HP-67). Adapters for various mikes, headphones, headsets have distinctive machining, plating, and plastic encapsulation of Asian manufacture. Those are good, but the prices (allowing for mark-up that is double their cost, easily) add the final touch to be off-shore made. No sweat...whatever I have, Davey Heil will PUT IT DOWN! :-) He always does... I'm partial to ICOM gear. But I've got a little bit of everything - even radio shack. My (now) ancient Icom R-70 is still doing just fine, gets to sit in the line-up of my station...all 3 feet wide, foot and a half high by foot and a quarter deep with room for other goodies, no strain. New stuff is much more compact than old. Whatever works for you and is reliable. But, Davey will PUT IT DOWN, whatever it is. His are "better," whatever he's got. :-( 73, Len AF6AY |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 5 Apr 2007 15:18:49 -0700 Not in the Army...in civilian life...to satisfy personnel departments with "credentials" while I had already done the responsible design engineering. :-( Herr Robust made some crack about "how many did I destroy?" I don't recall asking anything about how many credentials or personnel departments you destroyed, Windy. :-) Ya know, He NEVER said anything about His military service that could be pinned down to something substantial. No, I don't believe I ever did. Now what? I think he's just one of those fakers who IMPLY things and then bluff out on some (bogus) claims of "post traumatic stress." I've never made any claims of military heroics. I've never claimed to be a victim of "post traumatic stress". It bugs you that you don't know. I take delight in that. Ahem, minus one year during your tour in Vietnam. Remember, no ham radio for you... We really don't know how long he was there. [Robesin syndrome?] Yikes! I hadn't considered that. He's a smoothie on "convincing" folks. Turns right around and becomes snarly when someone argues the opposite of what he's declared. Otherwise, same-o, same-o. I've not made much of an attempt to convince you of anything regarding my military service, Len. You've said that you've not denigrated your fellow military veterans. The facts show that you have. Wonder why he selected Minnesota for a suffix? That's an "in memoriam" Vanity callsign to honor his Elmer. You still have it wrong. My call was not issued under the vanity callsign program. I've had it for thirty years now. Words on the VEC QP say "it's a good idea for resolving inter- ference complaints." I don't know how that can "resolve" them since it would be kept by the person allegedly doing the RFI. as opposed to the word of the person complaining of RFI. Such wouldn't stand up in court. I think you're wrong on that, Leonard. Such things as a memorandum of conversation or a carefull kept record of events can be used in court. But, lots of hams like to act like "pros" at broadcast stations, so they keep logs. It has nothing to do with broadcast stations or acting like "pros", Len. For decades, amateur radio operators were required by the FCC to maintain logs. There is nothing keeping radio amateurs from maintaining logs. They serve as a record of events for awards tracking, for tracking propagation, for nostalgia and as a memorandum of times/dates/frequencies used. Last time I did any broadcasting, the only thing noted in logs was when a station was OFF the air beyond its normal, announced hours. That's nice. On the same web site he's got a picture of a small bottle of Finnish vodka. Swedes label the "hard" spirits 'brannvin,' literally translates as 'burn wine.' Except it isn't Swedish vodka. It's there because the vodka's label says "Strong 59". From the same pictures Heil appears to be a lefty, in one of them twiddling a bug's paddles with the left, a package of Marlboros at the ready by his right hand. I'm a left hander in some things, a right hander in others. I can use a keyer paddle with either hand. My Heil Sound ProSetPlus is made (somewhat) in a suburb of Chicago, IL. I don't know about that. Heh heh heh...I was testing Heil again to see if he was paying attention. :-) Sure you were, "Anderson". :-) :-) Fairview Heights, IL, is just a few miles east of the Big Muddy and East Saint Louis, IL. ....but you thought it was near Chicago. Note that I did NOT say where the LDG autotuner was made. Tsk, I should have been given a "reminder" by know-it-all morsemen on that! :-) NOT saying likely saved you from another factual error. Dave K8MN |
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On Apr 6, 3:34 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:31:56 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: From: on 5 Apr 2007 15:18:49 -0700 Ya know, He NEVER said anything about His military service that could be pinned down to something substantial. No, I don't believe I ever did. Now what? you start to wonder why people don't like or believ you at this point Disgruntled Vietnam Vet is a long, long time to carry a grudge. Kerry may have him beat... |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Apr 5, 2:56 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote: From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:17:11 -0700 Dave Heil snarled: ... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! 8-) Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from the Government! [here to help? nah...] He WAS DX! Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have... "working DX on HF with CW." :-) As you've been advised repeatedly, the only person making such a claim is Leonard H. Anderson, now a neophyte in amateur radio. Dave K8MN Dave, like it or not, I think you've just admitted that Len is an ARO. Take another chug of branch water and everything will be allright! |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Mar 30, 8:29 am, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"AF6AY" wrote: Wow, a collitch instructor stating a sentence that ends with: ...accumulate 230k+QSOs that others accumulted here have." What exactly is a "collitch" instructor? You might want to ask one. I suggest a Hawaiin CG lecturer who loans his PO Box to miscreants. Is it one of those secret jobs only "professional" radio people know about? Is it? |
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On Mar 30, 1:45 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"AF6AY" wrote: "Collitch" refers to the English skills (or lack thereof) of some instructor that writes "...that others accumulated here have." I'm not aware of any "Collitch" (or, College, for that matter) instructors who post here, Gramps. Who might they be? Would you be a liar? |
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On Apr 6, 5:51�pm, wrote:
On Apr 5, 2:56 pm, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: From: John Smith I on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:17:11 -0700 Dave Heil snarled: ... You aren't lopping off heads, Len. *You're a beginner in amateur radio. Trust me on this point: *You'll get all the recognition you deserve. Standing in the midst of genderless midgets, he IS bound to get attention! *8-) * *Careful, JS, you are speaking to Mister DeeEcks, formerly from * *the Government! *[here to help? *nah...] * *He WAS DX! * *Like that is the "only" function a US amateur "must" have... * *"working DX on HF with CW." *:-) As you've been advised repeatedly, the only person making such a claim is Leonard H. Anderson, now a neophyte in amateur radio. Dave K8MN Dave, like it or not, I think you've just admitted that *Len is an ARO. *Take another chug of branch water and everything will be allright! Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] |
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AF6AY wrote:
Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. Dave K8MN |
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"AF6AY" wrote: "Collitch" refers to the English skills (or lack thereof) of some instructor that writes "...that others accumulated here have." I'm not aware of any "Collitch" (or, College, for that matter) instructors who post here, Gramps. Who might they be? Would you be a liar? Nope. Unlike some other folks (like, say, someone who keeps claiming I had 12 club callsigns) my postings are always 100% factually correct. |
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What exactly is a "collitch" instructor? You might want to ask one. I suggest a Hawaiin CG lecturer who loans his PO Box to miscreants. I do not know anyone in Hawaii who fits that bill. However, when I'm back in Pataskala this July I can ask around and see if folk there know anyone in the surrounding communities who does. |
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"KH6HZ" wrote in message ... wrote in message What exactly is a "collitch" instructor? You might want to ask one. I suggest a Hawaiin CG lecturer who loans his PO Box to miscreants. I do not know anyone in Hawaii who fits that bill. However, when I'm back in Pataskala this July I can ask around and see if folk there know anyone in the surrounding communities who does. Gee. Some folks refuse to let sleeping dogs alone. Perhaps they feel some perverse sense of self gratification by dredging Old History into the front. I wonder what would transpire should some of us expose the skeletons in their closets? The proverbial shoe would surely be less than comfy. |
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On Apr 3, 1:34�pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. ?I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. ?He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. * *Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several * *publicly-accessible references and documented * *licenses. *:-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? * *Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors * *and civilian government service "careerists." * :-) Is there something wrong with being in government service for a couple of decades? * *Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone * *operator license 51 years ago NOT count? * Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Of course it * *"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY * *one can "get experience" according to the snipers and * *general cat-callers. Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? -- and the fact that the actuarial tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left... I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. ?All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. ?The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. * *Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil. * *I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and * *51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. ?I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. ?I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. ?It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. * *I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE * *all that CONTACT collection. *[looking through Title 47 * *again...] *Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... Doesn't matter. * *So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via * *amateur radio. *What does that prove? * 1) Experience 2) Operating skill 3) A certain level of activity. I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len. The capability of * *making lots of [transitory] contacts? *Yes, but doing so * *many is little more than accumulating some self-logged * *contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. * *There are collectors who have amassed great quantities * *of pennies, string, and other items. Not the same thing at all. If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. * *Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... *:-) What "revolution", Len? It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. * *Already done. *:-) Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment, put together a basic station, and made a few contacts using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary" is that? Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the rules and good *amateur radio* practice, but it's hardly a revolution. * *Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but * *don't lose your head in excoriating them... Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more like you are one of the arrogant nobility. Jim, N2EY |
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It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". March's final numbers are in. Continuing with the trend in previous months, we saw a continued downward trend in the total number of licensed amateurs. In fact, since Speroni has been keeping statistics since 1997, the total number of licensed amateurs in March 07 -- a month after the "no-code 'revolution'" -- is at a historic low. Also, for the first time since 1994, we saw an actual *decrease* in the number of licensed Technican-class operators. If these observations bear out into the future, all the "revolution" managed to accomplish is give a bunch of no-code techs HF privileges, and did little else to "bring new blood" into the hobby, like some people have claimed for decades the code test was prohibiting. 73 kh6hz |
What Revolution?
On Apr 7, 5:10?pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". March's final numbers are in. Continuing with the trend in previous months, we saw a continued downward trend in the total number of licensed amateurs. In fact, since Speroni has been keeping statistics since 1997, the total number of licensed amateurs in March 07 -- a month after the "no-code 'revolution'" -- is at a historic low. Here are some more numbers of current, FCC issued amateur radio licenses held by individuals: As of February 22, 2007: Novice - 22,896 (3.5%) Technician - 293,508 (44.8%) Technician Plus - 30,818 (4.7%) General - 130,138 (19.9%) Advanced - 69,050 (10.5%) Extra - 108,270 (16.5%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 324,326 (49.5%) Total all classes - 654,680 As of April 6, 2007: Novice - 22,396 (3.4%) Technician - 288,621 (44.1%) Technician Plus - 29,128 (4.4%) General - 136,992 (20.9%) Advanced - 68,408 (10.4%) Extra - 109,591 (16.7%) Total Tech/TechPlus - 317,749 (48.5%) Total all classes - 655,136 That total-all-classes number wanders all over the place, btw. For example, on April 1, 2007, it was 654,468. Also, for the first time since 1994, we saw an actual *decrease* in the number of licensed Technican-class operators. Why should that be a surprise? A lot of Techs upgraded, and at least some newcomers bypassed Tech altogether, If these observations bear out into the future, all the "revolution" managed to accomplish is give a bunch of no-code techs HF privileges, and did little else to "bring new blood" into the hobby, like some people have claimed for decades the code test was prohibiting. That's a big *IF*. IMHO it's way too soon to tell. Six months or a year is more like it, not a month or six weeks. One thing that may happen is lots more new hams as the word gets out. Another is that the word may already be out, and the recent flurry of activity may not last. Time will tell. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
What Revolution?
wrote in message oups.com... [snip] One thing that may happen is lots more new hams as the word gets out. Another is that the word may already be out, and the recent flurry of activity may not last. Time will tell. 73 de Jim, N2EY Trouble is unless people already know about amateur radio, they had no idea what the requirements were and that they have recently changed. Changing requirements does nothing to let people know that amateur radio exists and why they might be interested. Dee, N8UZE |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Apr 7, 2:25 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. Dave K8MN That's a fine way for the future director of the Roanoke Division to welcome a fellow amateur into the service. You're just the kind of amateur we need in the leadership. |
What Revolution?
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. KH6HZ wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: You're being disingenuous again, Leonard. ?I've stated that you are a newcomer to *amateur* radio. Each time I've done so, you've tried to make it appear that I've used the generic term "radio". I think Grandpa Lennie is simply jealous of the fact that due to his waiting 54 years to get an amateur radio license... It doesn't matter whether he's jealous or not, Mike. ?He can fill up his years with getting on 75m and telling hams who have been in the game for decades about his experiences at ADA in the 1950's. ? ?Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several ? ?publicly-accessible references and documented ? ?licenses. ?:-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? Is that an admission that you believe it? ? ?Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors ? ?and civilian government service "careerists." ? :-) Is there something wrong with being in government service for a couple of decades? As long as it doesn't lead to a case of pompousness, as with Heil. ? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone ? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ? Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. Of course it ? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY ? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and ? ?general cat-callers. Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. -- and the fact that the actuarial tables state he probably doesn't have 15 years left... I don't intend to keep reminding him of his remaining time on the planet. Any of us could easily go before Len does. ?All it takes is a traffic accident (Roger Wiseman's death wish for me: failing brakes, sharp curves, twisting road) or a sudden illness. ?The fact is that I've already enjoyed 43 years in amateur radio. ? ?Practice safe and defensive driving, Sir Heil. ? ?I've enjoyed 54 years in MANY different radio services...and ? ?51 years of those NOT paid for directly the US government. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. -- he will be unable to accumulate 230k+ QSOs that others accumulated here have. If he gets busy and hones his skills, he could get it done. ?I made over that number in my nearly sixteen years overseas though it wasn't really that long since I was typically in the U.S. for two to three months between assignments and usually burned a month or so of leave in the U.S. or elsewhere each year. ?I've submitted nearly 30,000 QSOs to LOTW but I still have years of contest logs from the paper logging days which have yet to be entered into the computer logging database. ?It'd be nice to have a half million or so QSOs logged before departure time. ? ?I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE ? ?all that CONTACT collection. ?[looking through Title 47 ? ?again...] ?Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... Doesn't matter. Neither does half a million 13 second QSO's. ? ?So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via ? ?amateur radio. ?What does that prove? ? 1) Experience 2) Operating skill 3) A certain level of activity. I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len. He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him. The capability of ? ?making lots of [transitory] contacts? ?Yes, but doing so ? ?many is little more than accumulating some self-logged ? ?contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. ? ?There are collectors who have amassed great quantities ? ?of pennies, string, and other items. Not the same thing at all. Beer can tabs, navel lint, etc. If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. ? ?Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... ?:-) What "revolution", Len? It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". Must the revolution be in numbers? This revolution is in the regulations. He'll unbox his JA transceiver, hook it to a vertical antenna and have all the fun he is capable of having. ? ?Already done. ?:-) Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment, put together a basic station, and made a few contacts using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary" is that? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the rules and good *amateur radio* practice, but it's hardly a revolution. Hmmmm? "Good Amateur Practice." Some of your Cronies have a hard time with that one. ? ?Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but ? ?don't lose your head in excoriating them... Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more like you are one of the arrogant nobility. Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. Jim, N2EY- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
What Revolution?
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700
Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. Hmmm...despite the slightly-hidden pun in there ("sow" & ham), I put them down as "tailors" busy, busy manufacturing things out of whole cloth. It is (to me) more like "they rape what they have sewn." ? ?Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several ? ?publicly-accessible references and documented ? ?licenses. ?:-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? [yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did that in your life!"] Is that an admission that you believe it? Tsk, Brian, IF and only IF he does, it will truly be His Resurrection! ? ?Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors ? ?and civilian government service "careerists." ? :-) Is there something wrong with being in government service for a couple of decades? As long as it doesn't lead to a case of pompousness, as with Heil. Heil's assignments were given by him as 1985 to 2000, a term of 15 years, NOT "a couple of decades." Hello? Can anyone see FACTUAL ERROR on Jimmie's part? Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone operator license 51 years ago NOT count? Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. Is that the same as "DOA?" [Heil is dead in the water most of the time with his attitude...] Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. Right...according to these amateur professionals, AMATEUR radio does NOT work the same as all other radio. It is "different" and can never be compared to other radio. It's experience is totally different. Uh huh... Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. Jimmie should WRITE A BOOK, maybe a whole set of volumes on his life and times in amateur radio, pioneering the airwaves of the 1980s with his morse code modes. Here's a suggested working title "200 Meters and Sideways." If the ARRL doesn't resell it, he can work it up as a promo of a recent motion picture...or get on a Jay Leno show in another morse v. cell-phone-text contest. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. Sigh. Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of "homeland security." Jimmie still thinks that amateur radio works "differently" than all other radio. Perhaps he thinks that way out of ignorance in NOT being acquainted with all other radio or even just parts of all other radio? Maybe he was taught that in his school (that still thinks it was "first" to "invent" the "first electronic computer")? I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47 again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... Doesn't matter. Neither does half a million 13 second QSO's. Yes it DOES matter, Brian. By all that "different" amateur radio, those short QSOs result in life-long friendships and mutual love between morsemen. So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via amateur radio. What does that prove? ? ?1) Experience? ? ?2) Operating skill? ? ?3) A certain level of activity.? ? ?I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.? He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him. Jimmie is merely annoying with his little "game" of adding in question marks that were never written originally. I just did the same thing to him. Pointless exercise. Done to point out how petty and narrow-minded he is in his spite. The capability of making lots of [transitory] contacts? ?Yes, but doing so many is little more than accumulating some self-logged contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain. ? ?I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.? There are collectors who have amassed great quantities of pennies, string, and other items. ? ?Not the same thing at all.? Beer can tabs, navel lint, etc. QSL cards over a whole wall...another wall filled with certificates of great (amateur) accomplishments...yet another wall filled with photographs (posed photo-ops) of him with other ham notables...fourth wall stacked with old, yellowing copies of QST going back longer than he has lived. Marker lines on the floor so that "friends and neighbors" know where to stand when "admiring his accomplishments." ? ?If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let ? ?him play. Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-) ? ?What "revolution", Len? ? ?It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and? ? ?there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number? ? ?of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there? ? ?have been more than in previous months but it's hardly? ? ?enough to be a "revolution".? Must the revolution be in numbers? This revolution is in the regulations. Brian, it hasn't sunk into his morsemen's mind yet. Morsemen's minds are too cluttered with beeps to get the picture of more complex subjects...at least until a Dave Sumner "editorial" explains it all to them in QST. ? ?Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,? ? ?put together a basic station, and made a few contacts? ? ?using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"? ? ?is that?? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. On VHF first (the discone was up first), then on HF. :-) What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL the test elements at one exam session...without asking for His Permission, too! "Extra out of the box!" Heil says I "didn't do it," yet I did. Sunnuvagun! ? ?Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the rules and? ? ?good *amateur radio* practice, but it's hardly a? ? ?revolution.? Hmmmm? "Good Amateur Practice." Some of your Cronies have a hard time with that one. His Cronies only know morsemanship. To them, morsemanship is the ONLY "good amateur practice." Ptui. Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but don't lose your head in excoriating them... ? ?Are you one of the peasants, Len? ? ?You act more? ? ?like you are one of the arrogant nobility.? Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges, rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! :-) Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military; Jimmie never did that. I've worked in radio-electronics full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living. You have a good family and children and I have a good wife who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger brother "into radio." Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than any of us? We don't know enough about Him to compare. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." Like an "amateur radio historian," pretending to be the olde-tymer, all the while cribbing from OTHER sources of ham radio history. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a real estate "expert" yet he has never dealt up-close-and-personal with any real estate matters in my city or neighborhood...yet he wants to imply He knows more and is therefore the 'superior being' on that. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a statistical archivist with his amateur radio numbers posting...yet those numbers are the SAME as what the ARRL posts plus his own commentary (7 years old) about the "difference between Techs and Tech Plusses." I don't PRETEND anything. I have opinions and am not scared to voice them. My work experience AND radio licensing is public record if anyone cares to look for it...and I DO have documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin). But, some of the olde-tyme morsemen want to PUT DOWN those that don't share their lofty, god-given opinions. They don't take kindly to such folk and manage to pollute this newsgroup with their "I am better than you" bragging. I didn't decide to get into amateur radio on Their terms and wouldn't want to personally associate with such narrow- minded, arrogant persons. Amateur radio is, to me, much more than morsemanship and something to enjoy by itself, not a vehicle for morsepersons to engage in self- aggrandizement. 73s, Len AF6AY |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:32:35 -0700
Subject: The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio On Apr 7, 2:25 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. FACTUAL ERROR by Heil! "Extra Out Of The Box" is a colloquial phrase referring to one who takes ALL test elements at one test session and passes all of them. That is what I did on 25 Feb 07. Four VE examiners in that session, all Amateur Extras who cross-checked each other's scoring for accuracy. An ARRL VEC exam team, their work was checked in Newington and approved...then sent to the FCC who approved my application and granted my Amateur Extra class license on 7 Mar 07. Judge "Roy Bean" Heil doesn't like that. My license was granted without HIS approval. Tsk, tsk. He should take that to a higher court and DEMAND a retrial (until I am proven "guilty")? Sure seems like it. That's a fine way for the future director of the Roanoke Division to welcome a fellow amateur into the service. You're just the kind of amateur we need in the leadership. Maybe the Roanoke Division is like that. I don't know. NOT my territory. If that is the kind of "welcome" a new US radio amateur gets there, it is a wonder they have ANY new amateurs in that Division. I care less of what another "Division" does. I am a resident of California, the most populous of the USA and also with the most US amateur radio licensees. I've not gotten Heil's "treatment" of newcomers out here, but rather the opposite. I enjoy that in-person and on the air. I'm not ready to visit the land of the east coasties with their aloof, I-am-your- superior-and-rule-over-you attitude. :-( Fuggem say I. 73, Len AF6AY |
What Revolution?
From: "Dee Flint" on Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:23:24
-0400 Subject: What Revolution? wrote in message One thing that may happen is lots more new hams as the word gets out. Another is that the word may already be out, and the recent flurry of activity may not last. Time will tell. Trouble is unless people already know about amateur radio, they had no idea what the requirements were and that they have recently changed. Changing requirements does nothing to let people know that amateur radio exists and why they might be interested. Excellent point, Dee! Those whose entire life experience seems tied up in amateur radio have, generally, lost the ability to look at it from the outside. From them there is NO sign that they are encouraging "civilians" to "enter their service." Or, rather, "THEIR service" since they ARE tied up in it and are very possessive about Their idea of What It Should Be. The ARRL can do only so much. It is for their membership of those Already In amateur radio. In my opinion, the League has yet to do much and is too wrapped up in getting high-fives for a job (not) well-done from those IN amateur radio. For a boost to the "civilians" (who might know something about "radio"), there's a better chance of getting promotion aimed at "civilians" through newsstand magazines. One example is Popular Communications...sometimes derided by the IN crowd in amateur radio because it is not solely concerned with ham radio. [CB users might out-number hams by 5:1 to even 7:1, hard to tell since CB isn't licensed] [neither are SWLs] Hams beating their own drums IN amateur radio isn't doing a thing for getting "civilians" interested. Those hams are too insular, too wrapped up in themselves, to see their negative effect on the hobby. But...they can't be told that because their own egos cloud their mental visibility. :-) 73, Len AF6AY |
What Revolution?
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700 Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote: ? ?Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several ? ?publicly-accessible references and documented ? ?licenses. ?:-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? [yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did that in your life!"] Your statement is a falsehood, "Anderson". Your quote of me is manufactured by you. Is that an admission that you believe it? Tsk, Brian, IF and only IF he does, it will truly be His Resurrection! Are you doing Eastertide funnies, Leonard? And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. Sigh. Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of "homeland security." I must have missed the demand that you bow down in respect or anything else, Len. Where was that part. It is a fact that you're a brand new amateur radio licensee. What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL the test elements at one exam session...without asking for His Permission, too! I've seen no evidence that your claim is true. He's probably just noted that you acted like a horse's patoot before you obtained an amateur radio license and that you've carried that behavior into amateur radio. "Extra out of the box!" Heil says I "didn't do it," yet I did. Sunnuvagun! You can't have, Len. You announced it over seven years back and waited for the regs to change before you took any amateur radio licensing exams. That's not "right out" of anything. If someone tells me, "I'll be right out", no one expects that to mean, "I'll be there in seven years." Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but don't lose your head in excoriating them... ? ?Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more? ? ?like you are one of the arrogant nobility.? Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges, rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! :-) You haven't had enough time in amateur radio to be equal to anyone but another neophyte, Len. Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military; Jimmie never did that. ....to your knowledge. I've worked in radio-electronics full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living. It is apparent that not knowing bugs the hell out of you. You have a good family and children and I have a good wife who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger brother "into radio." It is also apparent that your lack of information on Jim's personal life also bugs the hell out of you. Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than any of us? We don't know enough about Him to compare. It can be demonstrated that Jim has over 40 times as much experience in amateur radio than you, Leonard. Chew on that for a while. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." I've never seen evidence that he is pretending anything, Len. Like an "amateur radio historian,"... Jim seems very well versed in the history of amateur radio. He has been able to point to a number of errors you've made in things which have taken place in amateur radio. I've never seen a post where he refers to himself as an "amateur radio historian". ...pretending to be the olde-tymer... He's been a radio amateur for better than forty years. Here on Earth, anyone who has done anything for forty years can be considered an old timer. ...all the while cribbing from OTHER sources of ham radio history. You've done some cribbing of your own, Leonard--and all about something in which you were not a partcipant. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a real estate "expert" yet he has never dealt up-close-and-personal with any real estate matters in my city or neighborhood...yet he wants to imply He knows more and is therefore the 'superior being' on that. Jim's analogy of real estate zoning changes in your local area to your attempts as an outsider to effect change in amateur radio licensing (all the while insisting that it was not for your personal benefit) was an apt one. You didn't like that one single bit. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a statistical archivist with his amateur radio numbers posting...yet those numbers are the SAME as what the ARRL posts plus his own commentary (7 years old) about the "difference between Techs and Tech Plusses." You say that Jim pretends, yet he has posted the data on a regular basis. I can find no errors in the material he has submitted. You've posted some numbers on an irregular basis. Were you PRETENDING to be a statistical archivist? I don't PRETEND anything. Don't sell yourself short, "Lennie." I have opinions and am not scared to voice them. It isn't about fear, Len. It should be about exercising restraint and using civility. You just plain honk people off. My work experience AND radio licensing is public record if anyone cares to look for it... ....or if anyone cares. ...and I DO have documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin). There is no one named "Robesin" who has posted here. If you mean Steve Robeson, he hasn't submitted proof of his military service to you. That's not the same as it not haven taken place. I've advised you several times that there is a free site on which his Marine Corps service is confirmed, this despite your statement that no such site exists. Have you found it yet. I have plenty of proof of my military service, but I'm not going to submit it to you. You've squawked about that and you've insulted me over my Vietnam service a number of times, that despite your claims that you've never denigrated the military service of a fellow veteran. You bleat something and proceed to exhibit behavior which is at odds with your statements. But, some of the olde-tyme morsemen want to PUT DOWN those that don't share their lofty, god-given opinions. I'm an old timer. I do not use Morse Code exclusively. I'm an amateur radio operator. I PUT you DOWN because you continue to act like a horse's ass. They don't take kindly to such folk and manage to pollute this newsgroup with their "I am better than you" bragging. No one here has done more "I am better than you" bragging, than Leonard H. Anderson, a man who, up until a few weeks back, was not an amateur radio op. There are bigger newsgroup polluters, but none can match your word output. I didn't decide to get into amateur radio on Their terms and wouldn't want to personally associate with such narrow- minded, arrogant persons. You really showed everyone. You put off entry into amateur radio for decades (in terms of your declared interest) and by eleven years (in terms of r.r.a.p. participation). Amateur radio is, to me, much more than morsemanship... It'd have to be. You can't handle the use of Morse. ...and something to enjoy by itself... So who is stopping you from enjoying it. Are you enjoying amateur radio? ...not a vehicle for morsepersons to engage in self- aggrandizement. No one here has done more self-promotion than Leonard H. Anderson. 73s, Len AF6AY The term is "73", Len. Dave K8MN |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:32:35 -0700 Subject: The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio On Apr 7, 2:25 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. FACTUAL ERROR by Heil! "Extra Out Of The Box" is a colloquial phrase referring to one who takes ALL test elements at one test session and passes all of them. That is what I did on 25 Feb 07. Please look at my direct quote of your words: "Extra right out of the box". Please note the word "right" which appears before the words "out of the box." If you hadn't written that particular word, you might be able to make a case. The word "right" exists however. Now you have a problem. Your quote comes from over seven years in the past. Your passing of amateur radio exams was on February 25th of this years. That's nor "right out" of anything. Judge "Roy Bean" Heil doesn't like that. I don't like your playing fast and loose with fact, Foghorn. That's a fine way for the future director of the Roanoke Division to welcome a fellow amateur into the service. You're just the kind of amateur we need in the leadership. Maybe the Roanoke Division is like that. Do you know what geographical areas make up the Roanoke Division, Len? As a new licensee and a new League member, you've probably not had much time to learn about the various ARRL Divisions. I don't know. I have little trouble believing that. NOT my territory. So you've apparently learned that you do not live in the Roanoke Division. If that is the kind of "welcome" a new US radio amateur gets there, it is a wonder they have ANY new amateurs in that Division. I think you'd find that folks who are warm and friendly receive a warm and friendly welcome. Those who are not warm and friendly might not receive a warm and friendly welcome. You may find that to be true in your Division. I care less of what another "Division" does. I see a problem with your attitude, Len. You don't want to get off on the wrong foot. I am a resident of California, the most populous of the USA and also with the most US amateur radio licensees. Okay, you know what state you're in. Do you know your ARRL Division yet? Have you found out in which Section you reside? I've not gotten Heil's "treatment" of newcomers out here, but rather the opposite. Give 'em time to get to know you, Len. They're probably just being polite. I enjoy that in-person and on the air. That's nice. I'm not ready to visit the land of the east coasties with their aloof, I-am-your- superior-and-rule-over-you attitude. :-( West Virginia has no coastline, Len. It is not a northern state. Some try to call it a mid-Atlantic state, but it isn't on the Atlantic. Most of the northern panhandle is northern in attitude. The bulk of the state is southern in attitude and by inclination. West Virginia is the northernmost state in the Roanoke Division of the ARRL. If you ever come for a visit, I'll keep mum on your r.r.a.p. attitudes. When you open your mouth and start talking, you're on your own. Keep that massive wedgie I told you about in the back of your mind. Fuggem say I. ....but not to their faces. Dave K8MN |
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