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The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
Dave Heil wrote:
... seven years in the past. Your passing of amateur radio exams was on February 25th of this years. That's nor "right out" of anything. ... I'd say he said what he was going to do, and when code got out of the way, he did what he said ... Anyway you cut it, you just can't do better than that! Now, all that is left is for the old women to bitch and pee their panties! JS |
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The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: ... seven years in the past. Your passing of amateur radio exams was on February 25th of this years. That's nor "right out" of anything. ... I'd say he said what he was going to do, and when code got out of the way, he did what he said ... Then you don't see it clearly. Len didn't do anything "right out of" any box. Len waited for seven years and a reg change. He also maintained that his self-appointed advocacy was *not* for his own benefit, but for the benefit of others. Heh. Dave K8MN |
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On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*. Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. Great subject to joke about. ? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone ? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ? Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. You continue to misquote me. I see no quote. My amateur radio license gave me the knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams. Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how could you have passed the amateur exam? Passing the exams allowed me to bypass tech school. So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I "misquote" you? Of course it ? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY ? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and ? ?general cat-callers. Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience. Len has a few weeks at best. I'm sure he'll catsup quick. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you have an inkling by now? You're 59... And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an ARRL elected position? You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship. I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len. He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him. I will. Len, do you know everything? Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment, put together a basic station, and made a few contacts using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary" is that? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. Vive le revolucion! Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more like you are one of the arrogant nobility. Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. I can't see how that works, Brian. Len is a guy who became a brand new radio amateur a few weeks ago. Dave K8MN Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you hold? ...does Jim hold? Best of Luck |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Apr 7, 6:57 am, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote in message What exactly is a "collitch" instructor? You might want to ask one. I suggest a Hawaiin CG lecturer who loans his PO Box to miscreants. I do not know anyone in Hawaii who fits that bill. However, when I'm back in Pataskala this July I can ask around and see if folk there know anyone in the surrounding communities who does. Will you be lecturing on GMDSS? |
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John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: ... You continue to misquote me. My amateur radio license gave me the knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams. Passing the exams allowed me to bypass tech school. ... And, you fixation with morse has allowed life to bypass 'ya! Life has in no way bypassed me, "John". Amateur radio is not the sum total of my existence. Within amateur radio, I am free to use any mode of operation available to me. You, it seems, are limited in your choices. It is evident from your postings that it was never about the Morse test with you. You take it far beyond testing. Dave K8MN |
The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio
On Apr 9, 1:52 am, John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: ... seven years in the past. Your passing of amateur radio exams was on February 25th of this years. That's nor "right out" of anything. ... I'd say he said what he was going to do, and when code got out of the way, he did what he said ... Anyway you cut it, you just can't do better than that! Now, all that is left is for the old women to bitch and pee their panties! JS They're bitchin an peein.. |
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From: Dave Heil on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:21:08 GMT
Subject: What Revolution? AF6AY wrote: From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700 On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote: Has anyone doubted that, Len? [yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did that in your life!"] Your statement is a falsehood, "Anderson". Your quote of me is manufactured by you. It is terribly ACCURATE, sweetums, goes all the way back to my mentioning my service with an Army radio station that operated 24/7. You stated that I "never worked 24/7 in my life!" :-) Are you doing Eastertide funnies, Leonard? Easter for 2007 is PAST, old man. :-) Try to stay current...even if your voltage isn't up. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. Sigh. Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of "homeland security." I must have missed the demand that you bow down in respect or anything else, Len. You've MISSED a whole lot of things, old man. One is getting someone to pound it into your head that "welcoming" anyone does NOT mean constantly, unremittingly TRYING to PUT OTHERS DOWN as if you were some nasty SOB of a drill instructor. You are NOT a drill instructor but you act like some self- righteous, holier-than-thou SOB. It is a fact that you're a brand new amateur radio licensee. Yes, as of 7 March 2007 with my FIRST amateur radio license class of Amateur Extra. :-) As of March 1956 I've held a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator license...which changed to a General Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator license...and both kept renewed until the "GROL" became Lifetime (without the need for renewal). That's IN the FCC's records available on-line. You know how LONG that license has been granted to me? 51 years. You know what else? I have been IN radio-electronics since 1952...55 years, not only working in it but also using it from land, from the air, and on the sea. All very legal, and, except for lately, WITHOUT needing any "amateur radio license 'first'." Indeed, when working on some DoD contracts the FCC's jurisdiction on radio DID NOT APPLY and I needed NO license! All absolutely LEGAL. You have FABRICATED a whole lot of pure, unadultered horse**** in regarding Amateur Radio as being some kind of extra-special "different kind of radio" AS IF it is "not related" to any other radio service, civilian or government. That isn't just horse****, Heil, it is pure bull****...as "pure" as the dumping grounds of diary farms and cattle grazing grounds... and as evil-smelling as any ****ed-off morseman who despises what the FCC did to "his amateur radio" in license testing. What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL the test elements at one exam session...without asking for His Permission, too! I've seen no evidence that your claim is true. He's probably just noted that you acted like a horse's patoot before you obtained an amateur radio license and that you've carried that behavior into amateur radio. Poor baby! Tsk, tsk, you've held a Personality Conflict about me for a decade and you just can't let go of your pesonal hatred, can you? :-) "Extra out of the box!" Heil says I "didn't do it," yet I did. Sunnuvagun! You can't have, Len. You announced it over seven years back and waited for the regs to change before you took any amateur radio licensing exams. That's not "right out" of anything. If someone tells me, "I'll be right out", no one expects that to mean, "I'll be there in seven years." "Extra Out Of The Box" is a common [U.S.} amateur radio colloquial expression meaning one who takes ALL the test elements and passes them in the SAME exam session. That is what I did on 25 February 2007 at an ARRL VEC group's exam session held at Old Fire House 77 on Glenoaks Blvd in the Los Angeles suburb of Sun Valley. I decided to take all the tests on 17 February 2007. NOT "seven years ago." That's the truth no matter how or what you write to the contrary. Here is the posting where YOU said "I didn't do it," right from Google archives so you don't have to injure a precious neuron to search for it: ================================================== ======================= 324. Dave Heil View profile More options Apr 6, 9:25 pm Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy From: Dave Heil Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:25:54 GMT Local: Fri, Apr 6 2007 9:25 pm Subject: The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. Dave K8MN ================================================== ==================== ? ?Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more? ? ?like you are one of the arrogant nobility.? Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges, rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! :-) You haven't had enough time in amateur radio to be equal to anyone but another neophyte, Len. Go FU yourself, Heil. The FCC says I'm an Amateur Extra. YOU don't give licenses...You have NO authority, only a big Ego. Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military; Jimmie never did that. ...to your knowledge. To EVERYONE's knowledge, sweetums. Miccolis finally admitted in public he had NEVER SERVED in the military. Period. I've worked in radio-electronics full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living. It is apparent that not knowing bugs the hell out of you. No, it should be "apparent" that there are FAKERS out there telling lots of LIES. "Major Dud" Robeson is one of those. You lean in that direction...by very careful wording to avoid details of yourself, only the overall "big picture" phrasing (giving no details) is what you've used. Sound like someone familiar? It should be, that technique was tried by some civilian "major" of the CAP. You have a good family and children and I have a good wife who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger brother "into radio." It is also apparent that your lack of information on Jim's personal life also bugs the hell out of you. No, only that some want to keep things hidden from public view. We will all know when he comes out of the closet. Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than any of us? We don't know enough about Him to compare. It can be demonstrated that Jim has over 40 times as much experience in amateur radio than you, Leonard. Oh, WOW! Forty years as an amateur! When do you think he will turn Professional? :-) Chew on that for a while. Go bite your own horse's ass. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." I've never seen evidence that he is pretending anything, Len. He PRETENDS to be a "military expert." He doesn't know squat about the military. He PRETENDS to be an "amateur radio historian," yet all his "writings" are cribbings from other, real historians. He PRETENDS to be a professional (salaried) engineer, yet he can't say ONE thing in here about what he does or what his "products" are. He PRETENDS to know "all about" other modes in amateur radio but all he can talk about is his own OOK CW morsemanship. He PRETENDS to be a "knowledgeable expert on southern California real estate but he knows squat about that. He is a PRETENDER on par with the infamous Robesin. Jim's analogy of real estate zoning changes in your local area to your attempts as an outsider to effect change in amateur radio licensing (all the while insisting that it was not for your personal benefit) was an apt one. You didn't like that one single bit. It was INEPT. Learn to spell. There was NEVER any analogue, not even a corollary to "amateur radio." You KNOW that, but you are sooooo enjoying your PUT DOWN attempt that you can't help yourself. Miccolis FABRICATED his case out of wispy cloth used for the Emperor's New Clothes. You say that Jim pretends, yet he has posted the data on a regular basis. Erich von Daniken has written FIVE books on "ancient astronauts." Is he "right?" I can find no errors in the material he has submitted. You better not...those numbers are straight from the ARRL's own page on "FCC License Counts." Are you now a "Mathematician," Heil? Some kind of "numbers guru?" Who awarded you that title? One of your alternate personalities? It isn't about fear, Len. It should be about exercising restraint and using civility. You just plain honk people off. I "honk" morsemen off. TS. Who the hell are YOU to be such a "judge and jury" of what goes on in US amateur radio? You've had a deep Personality Conflict with me ever since I didn't care for your Guinea-Bisseau "morsemanship saves the RTTY day" for you STORY you posted in here long ago. Wow, you REALLY tried to shine yourself on the average regular in here then...you with the STATE DEPARTMENT and all that stuff, posted to a little third-world African country whose major export was cashew nuts. You got your nuts off on my response, big expert on radio. My work experience AND radio licensing is public record if anyone cares to look for it... ...or if anyone cares. The FBI cared. Lots of federal agencies cared. I've had several background investigations without problems. Neither have I ever been fired from an electronics engineering job for incompetence or anything else. ...and I DO have documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin). There is no one named "Robesin" who has posted here. Yes there is. He goes by several different pseudonyms. If you mean Steve Robeson, he hasn't submitted proof of his military service to you. That's not the same as it not haven taken place. It hasn't. He's a FAKE, pure and simple. A poseur. I have plenty of proof of my military service, but I'm not going to submit it to you. Submit to EVERYBODY. Make it public. Show everyone how gloriously you served the nation in "a country at war." You've squawked about that and you've insulted me over my Vietnam service a number of times, that despite your claims that you've never denigrated the military service of a fellow veteran. Poor baby. Still crying over not being believed by telling NO DETAILS of that glorious service? Good sales technique but you don't have much of a product. It isn't an "insult" to challenge a salesman-type who can't come up with DETAILS on his "service." You might not have "lied" but - with so few details and so many generalities - you never told the TRUTH, either. What has YOUR MILITARY SERVICE to do with RADIO? Did you ever operate a radio in Vietnam? If so, what and under which circumstances? Come ON, Heil, you can get very creative here, no photographs need be reproduced, you can MAKE UP nice heroic stories to really convince the folks! I'm an old timer. Yes, with that weight and continued smoking you need not worry about any future. I do not use Morse Code exclusively. That's difficult to believe. I'm an amateur radio operator. You were granted an amateur radio license. It is the SAME class license as the FCC granted me for my FIRST amateur radio license. So? I PUT you DOWN because you continue to act like a horse's ass. Bull****. You have this deep abiding hatred called a Personality Conflict with me. TS. Better get that disorder fixed. I'm not going away any time soon. No one here has done more "I am better than you" bragging, than Leonard H. Anderson, a man who, up until a few weeks back, was not an amateur radio op. What "bragging?" "It ain't braggin' if ya done it!" a slight misquote written by Miccolis several times in here. :-) I done it, sweetums. It can be verified if you haven't seen it already. No need to "brag" for me. You really showed everyone. What was there to "show?" I decided to take all the tests, did that, passed them all, was granted my amateur radio license. It complements the First 'Phone that I passed in one session back in 1956. I waited about two weeks to take my First 'Phone test, only about a week (plus a day) to take my Extra test. Did I surprise you? Make you ANGRY at my audacity? :-) Are you disturbed that I didn't ask your royal permission to take a ham test? Was I supposed to kiss your ass and deliver unto you a bunch of gratuitous nice-nice words first? :-) Poor baby. Before the "TEST" you couldn't say enough nasty about my NOT having an amateur radio license. NOW you can't say enough nasty about my HAVING an amateur radio license! You are a paragon of the paradigm of paradox...all hung up on Hate because your prideful feathers got ruffled a long time ago. Tsk, tsk. You can't handle the use of Morse. ...that you know of. :-) Colonel Jessup, one thing for damn sure is that YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! I've told truth in here. Others who have similar Personality Conflicts with me have MANUFACTURED LIES out of my statements. I expect such manufacturing of lies out of my truth in a computer-modem communications venue. It's par for the course in here. What I didn't expect was the lonnnng-running Hatred that a few have over others' accomplishments. Surprise, surprise, Gomer! :-) Like it or not (we know you HATE it), I have my amateur radio license, at Amateur Extra class. I intend to enjoy it despite all your cat-calling, LIES, and general personal insults in this newsgroup. Know what? YOU really DON'T MATTER in what I decide to do for myself. Not one whit. Like it or not, I *AM* part of the "revolution" in U.S. amateur radio, one who DID do "Extra Out Of The Box" AFTER the code test was eliminated by the FCC. There aren't many of us who are PART of that "revolution," fewer still who did it ALL in one test session. But, WE did it. There will be MORE in the future. Eventually, all the morsemen of today will have gone SK and the only licensed radio amateurs will be those who NEVER HAD TO TAKE ANY MORSE CODE TEST! Oh, there will be some niche interested morsemen in U.S. amateur radio in the future just as there are niche interests in other modes. On the way to that future, the morsemen will be sitting around whining and crying for days when They were the "leaders" and "keepers of 'tradition'." That is already disappearing. The "revolution" happened but guys like you were so deep in self-righteous wrath you went into denial. Not my problem. It is yours. Enjoy your hate. You seem to have earned it. :-) AF6AY |
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AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:21:08 GMT Subject: What Revolution? AF6AY wrote: From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700 On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote: Has anyone doubted that, Len? [yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did that in your life!"] Your statement is a falsehood, "Anderson". Your quote of me is manufactured by you. It is terribly ACCURATE, sweetums, goes all the way back to my mentioning my service with an Army radio station that operated 24/7. You stated that I "never worked 24/7 in my life!" :-) :-) :-) :-) Well, well. I never wrote that you hadn't worked at ADA, Len. You nor anyone else has ever worked 24/7. It is physically impossible. Are you doing Eastertide funnies, Leonard? Easter for 2007 is PAST, old man. :-) Try to stay current...even if your voltage isn't up. Don't be a horse's patoot, Len. The date you wrote the words is evident. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. Sigh. Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of "homeland security." I must have missed the demand that you bow down in respect or anything else, Len. You've MISSED a whole lot of things, old man. They're easy to miss if they've not been written here. :-) One is getting someone to pound it into your head that "welcoming" anyone does NOT mean constantly, unremittingly TRYING to PUT OTHERS DOWN as if you were some nasty SOB of a drill instructor. You aren't going to pound anything but sand, Leonard and I'm not the welcoming committee. Your attitude isn't conducive to welcoming. You are NOT a drill instructor but you act like some self- righteous, holier-than-thou SOB. I've not claimed to be a drill instructor, Len. It works out for both of us. It is a fact that you're a brand new amateur radio licensee. Yes, as of 7 March 2007 with my FIRST amateur radio license class of Amateur Extra. :-) Yep. You have a brand new license and you are a brand new ham. As of March 1956 I've held a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator license... snip of unrelated reruns You know what else? further snip of unrelated reruns You have FABRICATED a whole lot of pure, unadultered horse**** in regarding Amateur Radio as being some kind of extra-special "different kind of radio" AS IF it is "not related" to any other radio service, civilian or government. A Corvair is related to a Corvette. That doesn't make them the same. What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL the test elements at one exam session...without asking for His Permission, too! I've seen no evidence that your claim is true. He's probably just noted that you acted like a horse's patoot before you obtained an amateur radio license and that you've carried that behavior into amateur radio. Poor baby! Tsk, tsk, you've held a Personality Conflict about me for a decade and you just can't let go of your pesonal hatred, can you? :-) Well, poor baby, you're hanging on to some personal enmity toward me which has gone on for ten years or better. You just can't let go of your personal hatred or of being a horse's patoot, can you? "Extra out of the box!" Heil says I "didn't do it," yet I did. Sunnuvagun! You can't have, Len. You announced it over seven years back and waited for the regs to change before you took any amateur radio licensing exams. That's not "right out" of anything. If someone tells me, "I'll be right out", no one expects that to mean, "I'll be there in seven years." "Extra Out Of The Box" is a common [U.S.} amateur radio colloquial expression meaning one who takes ALL the test elements and passes them in the SAME exam session. You keep trying to ignore the word "right", Len. It was there. You didn't get any "Extra right out of the box". That's a fact. That is what I did on 25 February 2007 at an ARRL VEC group's exam session held at Old Fire House 77 on Glenoaks Blvd in the Los Angeles suburb of Sun Valley. No, Leonard, you got no "Extra right out of the box". You didn't open the box for over seven years after making your boast. I decided to take all the tests on 17 February 2007. NOT "seven years ago." That's the truth no matter how or what you write to the contrary. Your archived words exist. They give lie to your present tale. Here is the posting where YOU said "I didn't do it," right from Google archives so you don't have to injure a precious neuron to search for it: ================================================== ======================= 324. Dave Heil View profile More options Apr 6, 9:25 pm Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy From: Dave Heil Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:25:54 GMT Local: Fri, Apr 6 2007 9:25 pm Subject: The First Month of the Revolution in USA Amateur Radio Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author AF6AY wrote: Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of "neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN OTHERS he no like! :-) I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just getting your feet wet. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it. 73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!] ...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the box" never took place. Dave K8MN ================================================== ==================== It was as true then as it ever way, Leonard. You didn't get the Extra "right out of the box". It didn't happen. You put it off for over seven years. ? ?Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more? ? ?like you are one of the arrogant nobility.? Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges, rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! :-) You haven't had enough time in amateur radio to be equal to anyone but another neophyte, Len. Go FU yourself, Heil. I'm an FSU fan. The FCC says I'm an Amateur Extra. ....and so you are. By the grace of God and the changing of the regulations, you got yourself off dead center seven years after a foolish boast and passed the exams. Now you're a brand new ham. YOU don't give licenses...You have NO authority, only a big Ego. Naw, I don't give licenses. I've given exams for licenses. I had all the authority I needed for doing so. Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military; Jimmie never did that. ...to your knowledge. To EVERYONE's knowledge, sweetums. Miccolis finally admitted in public he had NEVER SERVED in the military. Period. DID he? What ARE WE to MAKE of it, super citizen? I've worked in radio-electronics full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living. It is apparent that not knowing bugs the hell out of you. No, it should be "apparent" that there are FAKERS out there telling lots of LIES. Should IT BE, Len? Has Jim FAKED ANYTHING by not telling you about HIS JOB? What faking has he done? What outrageous claims has he made about his job? "Major Dud" Robeson is one of those. There is no one by the name of "Major Dud", Len. I've already told you that there is a web site which confirms his Marine Corps service. You either can't find it or haven't looked for it. You go on accusing folks of being liars or fakers, but you're simply shooting blanks, old sojer. You lean in that direction...by very careful wording to avoid details of yourself, only the overall "big picture" phrasing (giving no details) is what you've used. Yeah? What is my military service to you? Bugs you, doesn't it? Sound like someone familiar? No, not really. It should be, that technique was tried by some civilian "major" of the CAP. You've fired a lot of blanks, Leonard. Steve Robeson doesn't owe you proof of his military service. I don't owe you proof of military service. Live with it. You have a good family and children and I have a good wife who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger brother "into radio." It is also apparent that your lack of information on Jim's personal life also bugs the hell out of you. No, only that some want to keep things hidden from public view. Did you have a point? What information does Jim owe you? He's seen what you do with a little information. I've seen what you do with a little information. You don't have much information about Jim. You don't have much information about my Air Force service in or out of Vietnam. Outside of throwing a tantrum, there's not much you can do about it. We will all know when he comes out of the closet. Comes out of the closet? Are you nuts? Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than any of us? We don't know enough about Him to compare. It can be demonstrated that Jim has over 40 times as much experience in amateur radio than you, Leonard. Oh, WOW! Forty years as an amateur! Right. Jim has been a radio amateur for over forty years. Do you think you have an outside chance of equaling that number of years? When do you think he will turn Professional? :-) You're obsessed with PROFESSIONALS. :-) Chew on that for a while. Go bite your own horse's ass. I'm not going to bite you, Len. There are times that I think you've been assigned as my own personal horse's ass. Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." I've never seen evidence that he is pretending anything, Len. He PRETENDS to be a "military expert." He doesn't know squat about the military. I've read his posts on military matters. His information is usually quite accurate. He's never called himself a military expert. Are you a military expert? He PRETENDS to be an "amateur radio historian," yet all his "writings" are cribbings from other, real historians. Who are the real amateur radio historians, Len? Since Jim has never called himself an "amateur radio historian", you'll have a tough time making your silly accusations stick. He PRETENDS to be a professional (salaried) engineer, yet he can't say ONE thing in here about what he does or what his "products" are. I think he say much more than ONE thing about his job. He has chosen not to do so. Now what are you going to do? Why don't you PRETEND that it's none of your business? He PRETENDS to know "all about" other modes in amateur radio but all he can talk about is his own OOK CW morsemanship. You don't have any idea if CW is all Jim can talk about. You're PRETENDING to know. He PRETENDS to be a "knowledgeable expert on southern California real estate but he knows squat about that. I've never seen any post where Jim has claimed to be an expert in real estate anywhere. You're PRETENDING that he said so. He is a PRETENDER on par with the infamous Robesin. You're still a horse's patoot, Len--and you aren't PRETENDING. Jim's analogy of real estate zoning changes in your local area to your attempts as an outsider to effect change in amateur radio licensing (all the while insisting that it was not for your personal benefit) was an apt one. You didn't like that one single bit. It was INEPT. It was both apt and "EPT". Learn to spell. You don't give orders, old sojer. There was NEVER any analogue, not even a corollary to "amateur radio." The comparison was spot on, Len. You didn't like it. You KNOW that, but you are sooooo enjoying your PUT DOWN attempt that you can't help yourself. No, Len, I don't KNOW that. Miccolis FABRICATED his case out of wispy cloth used for the Emperor's New Clothes. No, Len, he did not. You say that Jim pretends, yet he has posted the data on a regular basis. Erich von Daniken has written FIVE books on "ancient astronauts." Is he "right?" What do you think, Len? Has he written anything about American amateur radio licensing statistics? I can find no errors in the material he has submitted. You better not...those numbers are straight from the ARRL's own page on "FCC License Counts." Are they? Are you now a "Mathematician," Heil? Are you a mathematician, Anderson? Some kind of "numbers guru?" Are you a "numbers guru" or simply the "Maharishi of Math", Len? Who awarded you that title? Where'd your math credentials come from? One of your alternate personalities? What? It isn't about fear, Len. It should be about exercising restraint and using civility. You just plain honk people off. I "honk" morsemen off. TS. You've honked off people who supported the elimination of Morse testing. You've honked off folks who were in favor of the retention of Morse tests. Who the hell are YOU to be such a "judge and jury" of what goes on in US amateur radio? I'm a person you've honked off. I'm a guy who has forty-three years in amateur radio. I'm one who doesn't believe that you've suddenly become civil just because you've finally obtained an amateur radio license. You've had a deep Personality Conflict with me ever since I didn't care for your Guinea-Bisseau "morsemanship saves the RTTY day" for you STORY you posted in here long ago. You honked me off way before any discussion of Guinea-Bissau, Len. I've never written anything to the effect that Morse Code save the day, but that hasn't stopped you from writing such things. You play fast and loose with the truth. You manufacture statements. You're disingenuous. Wow, you REALLY tried to shine yourself on the average regular in here then...you with the STATE DEPARTMENT and all that stuff, posted to a little third-world African country whose major export was cashew nuts. You got your nuts off on my response, big expert on radio. You revealed yourself to be an unpleasant little man back then. You show yourself as a still unpleasant little man today. You honk people off. My work experience AND radio licensing is public record if anyone cares to look for it... ...or if anyone cares. The FBI cared. Lots of federal agencies cared. I've had several background investigations without problems. Those folks were paid to look at it, Len. It isn't that they found you fascinating. Neither have I ever been fired from an electronics engineering job for incompetence or anything else. Well sir, that's very nice for you. Yep, that's something in which you can take a great deal of pride. I'm not sure what we're supposed to make of the information in an amateur radio newsgroup, but it must mean a lot to you. ...and I DO have documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin). There is no one named "Robesin" who has posted here. Yes there is. No, Len, there isn't. He goes by several different pseudonyms. Ahhh! He's undercover, is he? If you mean Steve Robeson, he hasn't submitted proof of his military service to you. That's not the same as it not haven taken place. It hasn't. You've not been able to demonstrate otherwise. He's a FAKE, pure and simple. A poseur. That's not what the easily found web site says of his Marine Corps service. It sounds like you're the fake. I have plenty of proof of my military service, but I'm not going to submit it to you. Submit to EVERYBODY. Make it public. My Vietnam service is documented on a couple of veterans organization web sites. I even got in contact with the fellow I replaced in Vietnam. Have you found even one of those sites? Show everyone how gloriously you served the nation in "a country at war." What claims of glorious service have I made, Len? I certainly served in the country where the war was taking place. That's at odds with your Korean War tale of what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage, while you were in Japan. You've squawked about that and you've insulted me over my Vietnam service a number of times, that despite your claims that you've never denigrated the military service of a fellow veteran. Poor baby. Still crying over not being believed by telling NO DETAILS of that glorious service? Good sales technique but you don't have much of a product. Poor Leonard. Tsk, tsk. He has nothing further to go on. It bugs the hell out of him! It isn't an "insult" to challenge a salesman-type who can't come up with DETAILS on his "service." There's no "can't" involved, Len. I've chosen not to reveal the details of my military service to you. I have lots of DETAILS. I'm not sharing them with Leonard H. Anderson, super citizen. You might not have "lied" but - with so few details and so many generalities - you never told the TRUTH, either. Anything and everything I've shared concerning my military service is absolutely true. That's all you're getting. What has YOUR MILITARY SERVICE to do with RADIO? Did you ever operate a radio in Vietnam? If so, what and under which circumstances? Come ON, Heil, you can get very creative here, no photographs need be reproduced, you can MAKE UP nice heroic stories to really convince the folks! I have no need to get creative. You have little to go on. Now what will you do? I'm an old timer. Yes, with that weight and continued smoking you need not worry about any future. The odds are very good that I'll be around longer than Leonard H. Anderson. I do not use Morse Code exclusively. That's difficult to believe. Then again, you're a brand new ham. I'm an amateur radio operator. You were granted an amateur radio license. It is the SAME class license as the FCC granted me for my FIRST amateur radio license. So? I've forty-three years of experience as an amateur radio op. Thirty of them have been as an Extra Class licensee. You're short a bunch of decades and at least one operating mode. Quit trying to be an instant expert, Len. I PUT you DOWN because you continue to act like a horse's ass. Bull****. That's not the kind that comes from a horse, Len. You have this deep abiding hatred called a Personality Conflict with me. TS. I don't hate you, Len. I don't like you. Better get that disorder fixed. I'm not going away any time soon. Define "soon." No one here has done more "I am better than you" bragging, than Leonard H. Anderson, a man who, up until a few weeks back, was not an amateur radio op. What "bragging?" "It ain't braggin' if ya done it!" a slight misquote written by Miccolis several times in here. :-) You've bragged about a number of things you hadn't done. The "Extra right out of the box" and the "spincter post" immediately come to mind. I done it, sweetums. You've certainly boasted, Sugar Dumpling. It can be verified if you haven't seen it already. I'm still waiting for confirmation of that artillery barrage. No need to "brag" for me. I agree. You're doing fine all by yourself. You really showed everyone. What was there to "show?" I decided to take all the tests, did that, passed them all, was granted my amateur radio license. ....after seven years and a reg change. It complements the First 'Phone that I passed in one session back in 1956. I waited about two weeks to take my First 'Phone test, only about a week (plus a day) to take my Extra test. How does an amateur radio license compliment your commercial ticket, Len? Did I surprise you? You surely did. I was expecting you to act seven years back. Make you ANGRY at my audacity? :-) It is hardly audacious to sit on your duff for seven years. Are you disturbed that I didn't ask your royal permission to take a ham test? Were you considering asking? Was I supposed to kiss your ass and deliver unto you a bunch of gratuitous nice-nice words first? :-) Just remember, Leonard: It is never too late! Poor baby. Before the "TEST" you couldn't say enough nasty about my NOT having an amateur radio license. Yep, you boasted and fell. You were a boor and you acted like a horse's patoot. NOW you can't say enough nasty about my HAVING an amateur radio license! You're still a boor and you still act like a horse's patoot. You've now become a brand new radio amateur. Do something with the license. Don't feel compelled to tell old timers of your expertise. If you use your receiver more than your transmitter and pay attention, you just may learn a bit. You are a paragon of the paradigm of paradox...all hung up on Hate because your prideful feathers got ruffled a long time ago. Tsk, tsk. I don't hate you, Len. I just don't like you. You grate on people. You can't handle the use of Morse. ...that you know of. :-) I'm sure that someone would be pleased to have a QSO with you, using that mode. I'm not going to be the someone. Colonel Jessup, one thing for damn sure is that YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! I'm not Colonel Jessup and you're short on truth, old sojer. I've told truth in here. It has been a distinct rarity in your posts. They have generally been filled with factual errors and deliberate falsehoods. Others who have similar Personality Conflicts with me have MANUFACTURED LIES out of my statements. You're a riot, Len. I expect such manufacturing of lies out of my truth in a computer-modem communications venue. It's par for the course in here. This can't be the first place where you've encountered numbers of people who believe you to be a horse's ass, Len. What I didn't expect was the lonnnng-running Hatred that a few have over others' accomplishments. I'm sure we're all simply envious of your deeds, Mr. Mitty. Surprise, surprise, Gomer! :-) I was never a Marine and never served on TV. Like it or not (we know you HATE it), I have my amateur radio license, at Amateur Extra class. I don't hate the fact that you have an amateur radio license nor do I hate you. I just wouldn't want you to hang around me or move next door. I don't want a QSO with you on the air. I intend to enjoy it despite all your cat-calling, LIES, and general personal insults in this newsgroup. I've not engaged in lies, Len. You have received the cat calls and personal insults your demeanor has generated. I'm sure that you've become used to such in numerous venues. If you act on the amateur radio bands as you've acted here, don't be surprised if the QSOs are few and far between. Give the attitude a rest and try your very best to be a warm and pleasant individual. If you succeed at that, you may find that amteur radio *is* enjoyable for you. If not, you may find that it isn't to your liking. Know what? YOU really DON'T MATTER in what I decide to do for myself. Not one whit. There's no reason for you to waste your valuable remaining time in responding to my posts. To date, it seems that I've mattered. Like it or not, I *AM* part of the "revolution" in U.S. amateur radio I've not seen any revolution, Len. The numbers do not support your claim. ...one who DID do "Extra Out Of The Box" AFTER the code test was eliminated by the FCC. That word "right" keeps tripping you up. You got no amateur license "right out" of anything. You waited over seven years from the time of your boast to obtain the "Extra right out of the box". That didn't happen. There aren't many of us who are PART of that "revolution," fewer still who did it ALL in one test session. But, WE did it. There will be MORE in the future. You didn't, as you've told us a number of times, do it for yourself. You were, you said, motivated by altruism in eliminating Morse testing for *others*. That simply wasn't true. The "revolution" has had the immediate impact of a fart in a wind storm. Eventually, all the morsemen of today will have gone SK and the only licensed radio amateurs will be those who NEVER HAD TO TAKE ANY MORSE CODE TEST! Wave the banners! Storm the Winter Palace! I'm betting that at least part of the vanguard of this silent revolution will be long gone before I take my leave of amateur radio. Oh, there will be some niche interested morsemen in U.S. amateur radio in the future just as there are niche interests in other modes. Son of a niche! On the way to that future, the morsemen will be sitting around whining and crying for days when They were the "leaders" and "keepers of 'tradition'." You've demonstrated little respect for the traditions and values of amateur radio. Your tenure will be, of necessity, a short one. That is already disappearing. What is already disappearing? Whining? Days? Leaders? The "revolution" happened but guys like you were so deep in self-righteous wrath you went into denial. I guess most of us expected something to happen. The expected swarms of the "otherwise qualified" hasn't materialized. Not my problem. It is yours. That's right. When you are a part of a problem, you are somebody else's problem. Enjoy your hate. I don't hate you, Len. I just don't like you. Carry your "revolution" idea into amateur radio and see what it gets you. You seem to have earned it. :-) ....and you've earned the respect of all those you've encountered? Tsk, tsk. Poor baby. Dave K8MN |
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On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*. Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. Great subject to joke about. ? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone ? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ? Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. You continue to misquote me. I see no quote. You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement. You are in error. Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote. My amateur radio license gave me the knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams. Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how could you have passed the amateur exam? The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam. So how could it be that your amateur radio knowledge was useful in passing such a non-amateur radio exam? A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have pointed that out. Passing the exams allowed me to bypass tech school. So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I "misquote" you? You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with something I've not stated. Yet it is what you did. The Air Force did not provide a pass on training because I held an amateur radio license. The Air Force allowed me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam. Yet in your own words, you were able to pass that exam because of amateur radio knowledge... You sure do like to twist things up and smoke them. Of course it ? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY ? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and ? ?general cat-callers. Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience. Len has a few weeks at best. I'm sure he'll catsup quick. He'll have forty years experience in forty years. Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you have an inkling by now? You're 59... That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an amateur radio license? What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second QSOs? And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an ARRL elected position? You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship. No, Brian, I have not. Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run? I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len. He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him. I will. Len, do you know everything? Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment, put together a basic station, and made a few contacts using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary" is that? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. Vive le revolucion! Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more like you are one of the arrogant nobility. Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal. I can't see how that works, Brian. Len is a guy who became a brand new radio amateur a few weeks ago. Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you hold? ...does Jim hold? Oh, Len holds a license of the same class. Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience allowed you to bypass military comms school? He's been a radio amateur for several weeks. He's green. Despite the tenor of some of his posts, he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun. You're the one who's green - with envy... Best of Luck Well, thanks for the kind wishes, Brian. Maybe you'll want to wish Len some luck in his venture into the world of amateur radio. Dave K8MN Sure. |
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On Apr 9, 1:17 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*. Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. No, Brian, I made no reference to anyone called "Robesin", nor did I mention the word "rape". Right. kly explain what you did mean. Great subject to joke about. The joke was not about rape. The joke was about one of the great manglers of language, a person who is a perpetual "victum". Dave K8MN *reap* Please do a word scramble and provide all possible words other than RAPE which you were referring to. Thanks. |
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Dave Heil wrote:
... Life has in no way bypassed me, "John". Amateur radio is not the sum total of my existence. Within amateur radio, I am free to use any mode of operation available to me. You, it seems, are limited in your choices. It is evident from your postings that it was never about the Morse test with you. You take it far beyond testing. Dave K8MN Absolutely! We know you well from your over-abundant postings. I don't believe I have EVER seen a smaller-pettier old woman in my life! (and, I suspect I'd have the best luck looking here!) Now, others may disagree, and let us hope so--a life without friends is a lonely life. JS |
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From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. You continue to misquote me. I see no quote. You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement. You are in error. Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote. :-) All those outraged morsemen bitching and moaning about EVIDENCE and EXACT WORDS...so that they will have some trivial thing to argue over in front of some "judge." :-) My amateur radio license gave me the knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams. Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how could you have passed the amateur exam? The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam. So how could it be that your amateur radio knowledge was useful in passing such a non-amateur radio exam? The mystery of the ages... :-) One slight omission by "Barrister" Heil: His USAF MOS (Military Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him? Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in a country at war?" During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types made and operational. A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have pointed that out. True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby activity. But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted (terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes, especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down (and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee. Now IN the electronics industry (where the rest of the radio world's equipment - and some amateur gear - is designed and made), the vast majority of those involved do NOT have amateur radio licenses! Those involved in everyday work with radio and electronics found it a fascinating, challenging activity all by itself. No "ham ticket" was necessary...indeed was a superfluous thing since amateur radio licenses are NOT needed for the rest of the radio world. Passing the exams allowed me to bypass tech school. So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I "misquote" you? You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with something I've not stated. Yet it is what you did. WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war." The Air Force did not provide a pass on training because I held an amateur radio license. The Air Force allowed me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam. Yet in your own words, you were able to pass that exam because of amateur radio knowledge... You sure do like to twist things up and smoke them. :-) I think he tries to be a "Johnnie Cochrane" in some "court" and winds up sounding more like he drank too much Johnnie Walker. You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience. Len has a few weeks at best. I'm sure he'll catsup quick. He'll have forty years experience in forty years. Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority. He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority." He MUST be above all others. The Latin phrase "Primus inter pares" suits him ("first among equals"), a Latin oxymoron of all things. Notice he is getting to be more like The Robesin all the time? Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you have an inkling by now? You're 59... That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an amateur radio license? What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second QSOs? Heil wants His NOW. Instant gratification of his "superiority." Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an ARRL elected position? You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship. No, Brian, I have not. Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run? Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that, change their mind, that is... Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed! Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you hold? ...does Jim hold? Oh, Len holds a license of the same class. Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience allowed you to bypass military comms school? Brian, it only works ONE WAY, Heil's Way. Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-) He's been a radio amateur for several weeks. He's green. NO, NO, NO...FACTUAL ERROR BY Heil. I am not green. As a caucasoid type human racial type I am various shades of PINK commonly referred to as "flesh color." Blue eyes, light brown hair (with a little grey here and there). I recycle recyclable trash every week...although the LA City Sanitation supplied can is colored BLUE. :-) My specific amateur radio equipment is "basic BLACK" with white legends and a little chrome and aluminum trim (Icom - LDG - MFJ - Heil Sound - chosen colors). It sits on a nice desk (melamine surfaces) of BROWN. The credit card I used to pay for it is mostly BLUE with RED and White trim. Despite the tenor of some of his posts, he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun. You're the one who's green - with envy... I'm not a tenor. More of a baritone. I do have "perfect pitch" as far as the standard chromatic scale of musical notes is concerned. There is NO "novice" class for new US amateur radio license class grants. That ended almost seven years ago. Neither is there any AGE discrimination in FCC regulations, age low or high. It was perfectly permissible by law to take and pass ALL test elements in one test session...which is what I did on 25 Feb 07. The ARRL VEC accepted that, the FCC accepted that. Heil and Miccolis still can't "accept" that. I BEGAN in big-time radio in the US Army in 1953 with my first posting to an HF transmitter site. That involved not just KW RF output transmitters but VHF, UHF radios, then microwave radio relay terminals (late 1954), plus HTs and backpack radio use common to "line" outfits (infantry-artillery-armor). So my "beginning" happened 54 years ago, not a "month" ago. The laws of physics applied equally well to radios in that time (and to fields and waves) as it does NOW. Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses attitude of "beginners." When someone proves that amateur radios work with "different" laws of physics than all other radios, I might consider myself as a "beginner." Until then, the REAL difference between amateur radio and the rest of radio is just some man-made adminstrative details...and from the ham bigots busy with self-righteous, I-am-so-important-because-I-know-code sneering and insulting of new licensees. 73s, Len AF6AY |
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AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. He was DDA. You continue to misquote me. I see no quote. You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement. You are in error. Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote. :-) All those outraged morsemen bitching and moaning about EVIDENCE and EXACT WORDS...so that they will have some trivial thing to argue over in front of some "judge." :-) Words and their meanings are important, Len. Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote "according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all. You wrote that you obtained an Extra out of the box, but you keeping trying to skip over the word "right". You used it when you told us that you were going for an "Extra right out the box." One slight omission by "Barrister" Heil: I've not claimed to be a barrister, Foghorn. I've omitted much about my time in the Air Force. It seems to drive you crazy. His USAF MOS (Military Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in a country at war?" I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. I maxed out at ten hours per day, six days per week. During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types made and operational. I used no low power, tinker toy radio equipment during my time in the military. Dave K8MN |
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AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have pointed that out. True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby activity. I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word "hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio. But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted (terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes, especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down (and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee. That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of reality, you're sticking to it. You've always had a perceptible inferiority complex. Now IN the electronics industry (where the rest of the radio world's equipment - and some amateur gear - is designed and made), the vast majority of those involved do NOT have amateur radio licenses! Those involved in everyday work with radio and electronics found it a fascinating, challenging activity all by itself. No "ham ticket" was necessary...indeed was a superfluous thing since amateur radio licenses are NOT needed for the rest of the radio world. If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true today. Passing the exams allowed me to bypass tech school. So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I "misquote" you? You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with something I've not stated. Yet it is what you did. WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war." The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. If you're going to play Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info. You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience. Len has a few weeks at best. I'm sure he'll catsup quick. He'll have forty years experience in forty years. Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority. He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority." Where did you see me writing of myself? You have a terrible personal case of inferiority. He MUST be above all others. JIM has forty years more experience that you. You MUST have seen that. The Latin phrase "Primus inter pares" suits him ("first among equals"), a Latin oxymoron of all things. You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility. You're a beginner in one and you have yet to practice the other. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you have an inkling by now? You're 59... That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an amateur radio license? What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second QSOs? Heil wants His NOW. Instant gratification of his "superiority." *Snicker* Yeah, I've gained instant superiority after only forty-three years in the game. Stop, Len! You're cracking me up! Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an ARRL elected position? You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship. No, Brian, I have not. Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run? Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that, change their mind, that is... To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't make such a statement. Oh deary me. What will he do now? Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed! You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further attention to himself by braying about it. Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you hold? ...does Jim hold? Oh, Len holds a license of the same class. Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience allowed you to bypass military comms school? Brian, it only works ONE WAY, Heil's Way. Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-) The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same apprentice level. Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or the highway, but the Air Force way. He's been a radio amateur for several weeks. He's green. NO, NO, NO...FACTUAL ERROR BY Heil. I am not green. As a caucasoid type human racial type I am various shades of PINK commonly referred to as "flesh color." As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio. You're green--a beginner. Despite the tenor of some of his posts, he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun. There is NO "novice" class for new US amateur radio license class grants. That ended almost seven years ago. Sorry, Len. There was a Novice Class, but no novice class. I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case. You're a neophyte, a beginner. Neither is there any AGE discrimination in FCC regulations, age low or high. It was perfectly permissible by law to take and pass ALL test elements in one test session...which is what I did on 25 Feb 07. The ARRL VEC accepted that, the FCC accepted that. Heil and Miccolis still can't "accept" that. I'll let Jim speak for himself on this issue. I fully accept that you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra. You've been issued a license. I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age. You now have an amateur radio license. Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio. I BEGAN in big-time radio... snip of irrelevant reruns Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses attitude of "beginners." I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license. Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal. When someone proves that amateur radios work with "different" laws of physics than all other radios, I might consider myself as a "beginner." Until then, the REAL difference between amateur radio and the rest of radio is just some man-made adminstrative details...and from the ham bigots busy with self-righteous, I-am-so-important-because-I-know-code sneering and insulting of new licensees. That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio. Amateur radio is not solely concerned with the physics of radio. The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio. You have much to learn. You aren't an instant expert, Len. Dave K8MN |
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On Apr 10, 11:57 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have pointed that out. True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby activity. I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word "hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio. so what? the ARS is basicaly a hobby or would you care to discuss the service asspects of the CB service |
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On Apr 9, 12:05�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. *He was DDA. You continue to misquote me. * I see no quote. You used the words "according to Heil". *I never made such a statement. You are in error. My amateur radio license gave me the knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams. * Wrong. *False. *The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how could you have passed the amateur exam? The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam. *A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. Passing the exams allowed me to bypass tech school. So you really did bypass military comms training? *Exactly how did I "misquote" you? You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with something I've not stated. *The Air Force did not provide a pass on training because I held an amateur radio license. *The Air Force allowed me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam. Dave, What you're seeing in this and other exchanges with Len and "hot-ham-and-cheese" is their attention-getting behavior by means of factual errors. They're clearly so desperate to get others' attention that they put obvious errors into the postings in the hope of getting a reply that corrects the error. * *Of course it "doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY one can "get experience" according to the snipers and general cat-callers. There's another method: name-calling mixed with factual error. Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. *Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. No such thing as a 4 year old Extra - the youngest on record was 7 years old. See how it works, Dave? You're right, Brian. *Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience. Len has a few weeks at best. Yup. I'm sure he'll catsup quick. He'll have forty years experience in forty years. Only if he's an active radio amateur for those forty years. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? *Please start a list. You could put my list of operating skills here, Dave... You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. *Shouldn't you have an inkling by now? You're 59... That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an amateur radio license? And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. *Are you running for ARRL office as well? *Sure sounds like it. What do you mean "as well?" *Do you know someone who is running for an ARRL elected position? You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship. No, Brian, I have not. See? Another factual error from "hot-ham-and-cheese". I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len. He's merely annoying. *He knows everything - just ask him. I will. *Len, do you know everything? Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment, put together a basic station, and made a few contacts using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary" is that? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. Vive le revolucion! Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more like you are one of the arrogant nobility. Len, nobility? *He's merely your peer... *your equal. The funny part about that statement is that it's not clear whether "hot-ham-and-cheese" is trying to insult Len, myself, or both... It clearly got to Len because of the tirade he unleashed about me. I can't see how that works, Brian. *Len is a guy who became a brand new radio amateur a few weeks ago. Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. *What class of license do you hold? *...does Jim hold? Oh, Len holds a license of the same class. *He's been a radio amateur for several weeks. *He's green. *Despite the tenor of some of his posts, he's a novice in amateur radio. *He's just begun. Yup. I don't think we have to worry about him outperforming us anytime soon, Dave. Like making a higher score in the November Sweepstakes. Best of Luck Well, thanks for the kind wishes, Brian. *Maybe you'll want to wish Len some luck in his venture into the world of amateur radio. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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On Apr 8, 4:40�pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700 Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. Who said life was treating me unfairly? Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several publicly-accessible references and documented licenses. :-) Has anyone doubted that, Len? * *[yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did * *that in your life!"] That was in reference to your claim of having worked 24/7. Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors and civilian government service "careerists." ? :-) Is there something wrong with being in government service for a couple of decades? As long as it doesn't lead to a case of pompousness, as with Heil. What pompousness? * *Heil's assignments were given by him as 1985 to 2000, a term * *of 15 years, NOT "a couple of decades." * *Hello? *Can anyone see FACTUAL ERROR on Jimmie's part? Who is this "Jimmie" you refer to, Len? Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone operator license 51 years ago NOT count? Count for what, Len? What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur radio? Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training as he held an amateur license. *He was DDA. * *Is that the same as "DOA?" *[Heil is dead in the water most * *of the time with his attitude...] Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience, Len. You've got plenty of that, Jim. *Probably more than a 4 year old Extra. * *Right...according to these amateur professionals, AMATEUR * *radio does NOT work the same as all other radio. * In many ways, it does not. The regulations are different, the Basis and Purposes are different, etc. For example, is there any other radio service where any licensee can design, build, align repair and operate their own radio stations on any frequency allocated to that radio service, without any documentation or certification? It is * *"different" and can never be compared to other radio. You can compare it, but the differences must be considered. You don't consider the differences. *It's * *experience is totally different. *Uh huh... In most ways it *is* different. For example, with all your claimed experience as a "PROFESSIONAL in radio", if you had the opportunity and permission to operate my amateur radio station, you wouldn't be able to use most of the equipment at all. K8MN, on the other hand, would have no problem. We, on the other hand, would have no problem using an Icom transceiver like yours. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? *Please start a list. * *Jimmie should WRITE A BOOK, maybe a whole set of volumes * *on his life and times in amateur radio, pioneering the * *airwaves of the 1980s with his morse code modes. *Here's * *a suggested working title "200 Meters and Sideways." Who is this "Jimmie", you keep mentioning, Len? * *If the ARRL doesn't resell it, he can work it up as a * *promo of a recent motion picture...or get on a Jay Leno * *show in another morse v. cell-phone-text contest. The Morse Code operators won that contest, Len. And they weren't even going half the record speed. And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind- the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. It's true. Not that their's anything wrong with it! Len will soon have 40 days experience as a radio amateur. I will soon have 40 years. *Are you running for ARRL office as well? *Sure sounds like it. * *Sigh. *Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but * *demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty * *macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by * *twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of * *"homeland security." Len, you're just reaping what you have sown. In fact, you are treated much better here than you treat others. * *Jimmie still thinks that amateur radio works "differently" * *than all other radio. *Perhaps he thinks that way out of * *ignorance in NOT being acquainted with all other radio or * *even just parts of all other radio? *Maybe he was taught * *that in his school (that still thinks it was "first" to * *"invent" the "first electronic computer")? Ah, there you go, Len, inserting the factual errors. ENIAC was the world's very first fully operational, high speed, general purpose, electronic digital computer. That's historical fact. Amateur Radio is considerably different from other radio services in many ways. I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47 again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that... Doesn't matter. Neither does half a million 13 second QSO's. * *Yes it DOES matter, Brian. *By all that "different" amateur * *radio, those short QSOs result in life-long friendships * *and mutual love between morsemen. Your jealousy is showing, Len. So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via amateur radio. What does that prove? 1) Experience 2) Operating skill 3) A certain level of activity. I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len. He's merely annoying. *He knows everything - just ask him. * *Jimmie is merely annoying with his little "game" of adding * *in question marks that were never written originally. Google does that sometimes. The capability of making lots of [transitory] contacts? ?Yes, but doing so many is little more than accumulating some self-logged contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. There are collectors who have amassed great quantities of pennies, string, and other items. ? ?Not the same thing at all.? Beer can tabs, navel lint, etc. * *QSL cards over a whole wall...another wall filled with * *certificates of great (amateur) accomplishments...yet * *another wall filled with photographs (posed photo-ops) * *of him with other ham notables...fourth wall stacked * *with old, yellowing copies of QST going back longer than * *he has lived. *Marker lines on the floor so that "friends * *and neighbors" know where to stand when "admiring his * *accomplishments." Whose station are you describing, Len? If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let him play. Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-) What "revolution", Len? It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there have been more than in previous months but it's hardly enough to be a "revolution". Must the revolution be in numbers *This revolution is in the regulations. They dropped a test and not much happened. * *Brian, it hasn't sunk into his morsemen's mind yet. * *Morsemen's minds are too cluttered with beeps to get * *the picture of more complex subjects...at least until * *a Dave Sumner "editorial" explains it all to them in * *QST. Ah, the classic Len abuse of those he envies... Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment, put together a basic station, and made a few contacts using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary" ? ?is that?? He did it on HF without a single morse code exam. * *On VHF first (the discone was up first), then on HF. *:-) * *What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL * *the test elements at one exam session...without asking * *for His Permission, too! Well, Len, I don't now what that "Jimmie" person thinks, but it didn't bother me at all. It only took you seven years and twenty-some days to go from your "out of the box" boast to actually doing it. * *"Extra out of the box!" *Heil says I "didn't do it," * *yet I did. *Sunnuvagun! You are mistaken. Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the rules and good *amateur radio* practice, but it's hardly a revolution. Hmmmm? *"Good Amateur Practice." *Some of your Cronies have a hard time with that one. You mean like Len's neighbor, ex-KG6IRO? * *His Cronies only know morsemanship. *To them, morsemanship * *is the ONLY "good amateur practice." * Another factual error on your part, Len. Ptui. Ah - so you spit on other amateurs. Is that "good amateur practice", Len? Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but don't lose your head in excoriating them... Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more like you are one of the arrogant nobility. Len, nobility? *He's merely your peer... *your equal. * *ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges, * *rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! *:-) Only as far as the license class. Doesn't bother me at all. * *Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military; * *Jimmie never did that. * Well, I don't know what "Jimmie" did. But I know what I have done. K8MN also served voluntarily in the US military. I've worked in radio-electronics * *full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is * *supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living. I don't know what "Jimmie" does for a living. But I know what I do, and have done. * *You have a good family and children and I have a good wife * *who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything * *about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger * *brother "into radio." *Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than * *any of us? *We don't know enough about Him to compare. Who is this "Jimmie" anyway, Len? Why do you so much want to compare yourself to him? * *Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." *Like an "amateur radio * *historian," pretending to be the olde-tymer, all the while * *cribbing from OTHER sources of ham radio history. *Jimmie * *PRETENDS to be a real estate "expert" yet he has never dealt * *up-close-and-personal with any real estate matters in my * *city or neighborhood...yet he wants to imply He knows more * *and is therefore the 'superior being' on that. *Jimmie * *PRETENDS to be a statistical archivist with his amateur radio * *numbers posting...yet those numbers are the SAME as what the * *ARRL posts plus his own commentary (7 years old) about the * *"difference between Techs and Tech Plusses." I don't know about this "Jimmie" person, Len. But I don't claim to be an expert about anything. I do know some things about amateur radio history, real estate, and the numbers of current FCC issued amateur radio licenses held by individuals. It seems to me that my knowledge of those subjects really, really bothers you. * *I don't PRETEND anything. * Sure you do, Len. You pretend to be better than all who disagree with you. I have opinions and am not scared * *to voice them. You also voice things that are demonstrably untrue. *My work experience AND radio licensing is * *public record if anyone cares to look for it...and I DO have * *documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin). If you won't look, you won't find. * *But, some of the olde-tyme morsemen want to PUT DOWN those * *that don't share their lofty, god-given opinions. *They * *don't take kindly to such folk and manage to pollute this * *newsgroup with their "I am better than you" bragging. Len, you're projecting your own behavior onto others - again. �I * *didn't decide to get into amateur radio on Their terms and * *wouldn't want to personally associate with such narrow- * *minded, arrogant persons. Yet you associate with them here. Why is that? I think you are both jealous and sfraid of them. *Amateur radio is, to me, much * *more than morsemanship and something to enjoy by itself, * *not a vehicle for morsepersons to engage in self- * *aggrandizement. I agree 100%, Len. I do much more with Amateur Radio than Morse Code. Then why do you behave the way you do here, Len? You told us you'd leave this newsgroup when the Morse Code test went away. But you're still here, following your classic behavior profile. Why is that? btw, Len, the telegraphic abbreviation "73" means "best regards". It's already plural. So when you write "73s", you're saying "best regardses" 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:27:14 GMT
Subject: What Revolution? AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical Words and their meanings are important, Len. Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote "according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all. Somebody else writes your posts here? You wrote that you obtained an Extra out of the box, but you keeping trying to skip over the word "right". You used it when you told us that you were going for an "Extra right out the box." Tsk. The phrase "Extra [right] Out Of The Box" is a colloquial amateur radio one referring to one who takes and passes ALL test elements in one exam session. It was used BEFORE the 2000 US amateur radio Restructuring. I've not claimed to be a barrister, Foghorn. You sure ACT like you were one...complete with the powdered wig and black robes. I've omitted much about my time in the Air Force. You probably SHOULD. You don't want to talk about it, so you must not have done anything significant. It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. You are out of order in this court, counselor. What did you DO in the USAF? Explain it in words. Don't be EVASIVE by misdirecting into trivial chewing out about using "wrong" USAF titles of occupation specialties. Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in a country at war?" I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. I maxed out at ten hours per day, six days per week. Poor baby. Was the service rough on you? In the US Army all are soldiers...those not on authorized leave are ON DUTY 24/7. During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types made and operational. I used no low power, tinker toy radio equipment during my time in the military. Oh, my, the ELITIST speaks! All of the US military branches don't consider operational radio communications equipment as "low power, tinker toy." Certainly not for REAL COMBAT operations involving real Life and Death situations. You are being EVASIVE again. You've NOT described what you DID over 35 years ago "in a country at war." You've NOT described ANY radio equipment you (supposedly) USED over 35 years ago "in a country at war." Tsk, you are coming across as a clone, a carbon copy of the infamous "Major Dud" Robeson. Like he did, YOU are evasive on details but very BIG on lofty, general-purpose emotional phrases. Do you also hold a "commission" in the Civil Air Patrol? I can supply very exact DETAILS of what I did for 3 years of my active-duty US Army assignment, pictures and text. See it at: http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf Was that "amateur radio" operations? No. It was HF transmitter operations 24/7 in a direct service for the Far East Command Headquarters and Army Central Command, Japan. The radio technology and radio wave propagation was the SAME as was then used for US amateur radio (with the exception of RF power output levels being higher than allowed for amateurs). "Boatanchor" radio equipment afficionados in US amateur radio use the SAME techniques TODAY. Another exception to amaetur practice is that messaging was done by teleprinter (now called "data") and morse code mode was NOT used for all those hundreds of thousands of messages sent per month. Morse mode just wasn't up to the task. Not only that but the communications involved operation and maintenance of VHF, UHF, microwave radio relay equipment as well as frequency-multiplexed "carrier" equipment for both wired and radio service. In addition we in the US Army Signal Corps also had to use standard small-unit radio communications equipment [PRC-8 family manpack FM transceivers, PRC-6 handheld FM transceivers] when undergoing Provisional Infantry Platoon training in addition to our regular Signal Corps occupational tasks. That was in a country NOT at war (Japan) although the United States of America was IN a war in Korea 55 years ago. For the USA, the "Vietnam War" ended in 1973. 1973 was 34 years ago. The Korean War is still not settled and remains in a curious continuous Truce condition today...US troops are still stationed in Korea along the Demilitarized Zone. During your Department of State employ help END that Korean War? That hasn't been in the news. I can't take any credit for BIG national-level policy things. I volunteered, did my duties as assigned, performed honorably and am proud to have done so. I did my part, yet a number of you Elitists of Amateur Radio continue to scoff and sneer at what I and others did in REAL Radio Communications...and then expect to be treated as some kind of "royalty" or "gurus" of "decades of experience" in (amateur) radio. I KNOW what I did and can talk about it in detail. There is very little of that bound by any US National Security requirements. Yet, a number of Amateur ELITISTS in here have been Unable to supply any Details of what they did. They are remarkably Ambiguous in their most-general non-descriptions, relying only on emotional catch-phrases of "importance" AS IF that was DUE to them. Please continue as a Robeson Clone. He seems to be gone and his continuing snarling and denigrating has left a big hole in message content of this newsgroup. 00 [no regards], AF6AY |
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From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT
Subject: What Revolution? AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have pointed that out. True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby activity. I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word "hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio. I've told you a number of times that YOU are NOT the FCC and HAVE NO AUTHORITY over amateur radio. But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted (terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes, especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down (and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee. That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of reality, you're sticking to it. It IS reality. Just how long have you had this idea that you are NOBILITY? Did God give that to you or did you develop it on your own? If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true today. So? I took and passed all the test elements for a US amateur radio license on 25 Feb 07. The FCC (not your royal asshole self) granted me an AMATEUR EXTRA class license on 7 Mar 07. Lets see...before 7 Mar 07 you couldn't say enough bad things about me BECAUSE I didn't have any amateur radio license...now after 7 Mar 07 and the grant of AMATEUR EXTRA you STILL can't say enough bad things, can't denigrate me enough. I'd say you have one great big whopper of a PERSONALITY CONFLICT filled with hate and bile because you can't put me down, can't silence me, can't change my mind. Ergo, YOU MUST RULE. Sorry, you DO NOT rule. You don't even work in the FCC. WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war." The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. If you're going to play Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info. Evasion, ambiguity, attempt to misdirect. Classic "Major Dud" Robeson responses in here for years. Are you a Robeson Clone? You sure sound like one. *WHAT* did Heil *DO* in Vietnam? Try to be more specific than "serving his country" or being "in a country at war." Did Heil spot artillery fall? Was he under "incoming?" How did David Heil get the experience-granted "authority" to denigrate anyone who has had that experience? Try answering challenges DIRECTLY and not evading or misdirecting every single question. [not that I expect such things but one has to ask...] Where did you see me writing of myself? Everywhere that is free...certainly here in describing your adventures in Embassy postings...on two websites elsewhere. I'm not that concerned with boy-wonder rock musician turned "diplomat" that I care to look unless someone sends me the web addresses. For example, you described your "synchronization of TTYs via morse code communications"...in 1980...as a "good idea." AS IF radio teletype hasn't been used for 50 years before that. JIM has forty years more experience that you. He has? He was born in 1892?!? "Radio" has been around as a communications medium only since 1896. JIMMIE Miccolis must be a "true pioneer" in radio! Hmmm...let's see...born in 1892, the first US radio regulating agency begun in 1912...he got his Amateur Extra at age 20? Wow! I can't top that, nossir! Neither can you, your Grateness. You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility. Who is "Jim?" :-) Welp, I looked through Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. and NOWHERE does it say I have to bow down to any Grate Ones in amateur radio nor even disturb them (into being "honked off") by comments in a newsgroup. What are you going to do NOW, your Grateness? Write Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth and demand the FCC take away my amateur radio license due to "bad attitudes?" Poor baby. Still honked off because you can't put me down, can't silence my comments with all your mighty denigrations and put-downs? You must be. That seems to be all you do. Ya know, nowhere in Title 47 C.F.R. does it say anything about "beginners, neophytes, wet-behind-the-ears tyros" or other blabbering to me you and JIMMIE Miccolis have done. I am a United States Amateur Extra class amateur licensee by a grant from the United States Federal Communications Commission. I took and passed all the required tests in one license exam session, thus qualifying for the colloquial ham radio expression of "Extra out of the box." YOU don't like that. MICCOLIS doesn't like that. Both of you think I should have "tested for International Morse Code cognition" during my amateur license exam. Sorry, but that wasn't a legal requirement. No matter, both of you would have tried to PUT ME DOWN because the old code test rate was only 5 WPM and you "masters of radio operating" can do much faster code. :-) Heh, the actual test-and-passing wouldn't have made any change in your Gratenesses' attempts at put-downs. You both have been doing that since before and after I tested-and- passed! :-) Only your steamed Gratenesses' words were interchanged slightly before and after my test. :-) To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't make such a statement. Then WHO writes all your postings for you? An alternate personality? [getting to be more like The Robesin every day...] If YOU - or whoever is impersonating you - writes a statement in here, then whatever you write "is attributed to you." Is that too complex for you to understand? Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed! You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further attention to himself by braying about it. If MICCOLIS were MORE CIVIL he wouldn't constantly be bringing up OLD arguments, OLD postings, that were dropped by others long ago. Neither would he be trying to MANUFACTURE "errors" and "facts" OUT OF CONTEXT. You do that also, but JIMMIE Miccolis makes it a de facto career. Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-) The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same apprentice level. God forbid the Grate Heil being an "APPRENTICE" level in anything! :-) Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or the highway, but the Air Force way. So you DID get the free USAF training. You said you hadn't. Oh, my, such inconsistency in your "factual" statements! As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio. The United States Army does NOT use the term "boot" except for foot apparel. "Boot" is a USN term for RECRUITS. You want me to attend Basic Training ALL OVER AGAIN? Stupid man, you just can't stop your attempts at put- downs of others, can you? Stupid man, the laws of physics work the SAME for amateur radio as it does for ALL OTHER RADIO SERVICES. The only "differences" lie in the (sometimes warped) mental attitudes of others...such as yourself, plus some adminstrative differentiations applied by the single U.S. civil radio regulating agency, the FCC. United States amateur radio is NOT a military or para- military "service." It is not a craft, a guild, or union that has "apprentice, journeyman, master" skill levels. It isn't even a "national service." US amateur radio is defined by the FCC for administrative purposes in differentiating between different radio services. The word "service" as used in all of Title 47 C.F.R. is a regulatory term defining the type and kind of radio activity being regulated by them. You're green--a beginner. You are an antagonistic asshole who can't stop trying to put down your newsgroup "enemies" with the slightest denigrations you can dream up. I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case. You're a neophyte, a beginner. You've REALLY got a hard one in trying to put me down. You ought to experience some catharsis, such as writing Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth about my "negligent attitude at now taking your Grateness 'advice.'" Maybe, with the "help" of your elected representatives, you can force the FCC to change my license to Technician! Or, you could get some mental counseling and LOSE your antagoinistic I-am-superior attitude. Nobody has to kiss YOUR ass, salute you, or give up their seat on the amateur bus to you just because you are the Mighty Heil. I fully accept that you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra. Tsk, you had to add the qualifier "currently in place!" :-) Why would anyone HAVE to pass requisite exams for any OTHER era? How could anyone possibly pass requisite exams for a FUTURE era? I obeyed the LAW. I passed. In ONE EXAM SESSION. You've been issued a license. NO! I was GRANTED an amateur radio license by the FCC. If you must be the irritating, anatagonistic asshole about WORDS, try to use the CORRECT ones! I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age. Tsk, tsk! You've done that consistently, old man. You now have an amateur radio license. Amateur Extra class. Yes, it complements the First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operators License I was granted in March, 1956, and kept renewed until FCC regulations changed to make it a "GROL" with NO renewals necessary. Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio. Is that a COMMAND, your Grateness? Believe it or not, individuals are allowed a great freedom to do what THEY want, not what you "command." I will DO with MY amateur radio license what *I* choose to do...always keeping within the letter and spirit of the LAW (not working Frenchmen out of band on 6m). I BEGAN in big-time radio... snip of irrelevant reruns Exactly WHAT is "irrelevant" about MY life experience, your Grateness? Other than my being a perceived newsgroup "enemy" of yours? The US Army didn't have - or allow - any "skipping of (union- grade) levels." I went to my assigned Signal School and learned my military occupation specialty. I was assigned to the third-largest US Army radio communications transmitter site located in Tokyo. I learned to operate, maintain, and (slightly later after arrival) to supervise fixed station transmitters. I also learned to operate, maintain, and supervise VHF-UHF radio relay equipment other than the microwave radio relay equipment. I also tried to learn all I could about communications, taking advantage of the situation. That station DID operate "24/7" and all (not on authorized leave) were available 24/7. Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses attitude of "beginners." I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license. You act the contemptible HYPOCRITE, Heil. You've spent a long, long message trying to put me down through all of it. Now you try the "nice-nice" route with the "congratulations." You are about as two-faced a Janus as I've ever met. Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal. Keep YOUR mouth and keyboard SHUT once in a while and YOU might learn to be a civil human being. That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio. See, the WRONG side of the Janus face gets all the attention and it MUST mouth off with "advice." The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio. The "fact" is that you are an asshole of a human being wannabe, Heil. You have much to learn. YOU have MUCH MUCH MORE to learn about getting along with others. OFF radio. You aren't an instant expert, Len. I don't pretend to be. Why do YOU pretend to be an "expert?" Other than with morse code mode communications, that is. You come back ONLY when you've had PART of the experience I've had in OTHER radio services, INCLUDING radio as used by the Department of Defense in various contracting jobs (NO license necessary). Don't try to snow the other hams with your "State Departement" radio officer stuff. You were a civilian government employee (regardless of the fancy-schmancy Title you love to drop) for under 20 years. Your Big Claim is BEING DX for radio amateurs through your posting in Finland and African countries. Did the FCC post you there? Did the ARRL send you there? NO to both. So try being a HUMAN BEING. It must be hard for you to do that, but TRY. You are NOT in "command." You have NO "authority." Try to remember that next time you use your "authority" to "command" others to do something, anything. AF6AY |
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On Apr 11, 12:57 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 Subject: What Revolution? On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have pointed that out. True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby activity. I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word "hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio. The BMV doesn't list hobby driving in it's regulations, yet some people collect and drive cars for a hobby. But the amateur radio SERVICE is serious business - 13 second QSOs and all! But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted (terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes, especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down (and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee. That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of reality, you're sticking to it. There are several elements of truth in there. Can you find them? You've always had a perceptible inferiority complex. You've always had a smug complex. Now IN the electronics industry (where the rest of the radio world's equipment - and some amateur gear - is designed and made), the vast majority of those involved do NOT have amateur radio licenses! Those involved in everyday work with radio and electronics found it a fascinating, challenging activity all by itself. No "ham ticket" was necessary...indeed was a superfluous thing since amateur radio licenses are NOT needed for the rest of the radio world. If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true today. Heil got one right. Passing the exams allowed me to bypass tech school. So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I "misquote" you? You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with something I've not stated. Yet it is what you did. WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war." The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. The US Army does. It is "Military Occupational Specialty," the equivalent of the Air Force Specialty Code (AFSC). If you're going to play Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info. Nobody minds when Robesin gets it "half-right" about his own service or MARS, so why the prob with Len's mostly accurate statement? You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience. Len has a few weeks at best. I'm sure he'll catsup quick. He'll have forty years experience in forty years. Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority. He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority." Where did you see me writing of myself? You have a terrible personal case of inferiority. And you have a terrible impersonal case. He MUST be above all others. JIM has forty years more experience that you. You MUST have seen that. If you were to add up all of your 13 second QSOs, how many years of experience would that be? The Latin phrase "Primus inter pares" suits him ("first among equals"), a Latin oxymoron of all things. You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility. You're a beginner in one and you have yet to practice the other. It looks like you have an opinion. How nice. Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has been an active radio amateur for several decades? What's to know? Please start a list. You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you have an inkling by now? You're 59... That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an amateur radio license? What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second QSOs? Heil wants His NOW. Instant gratification of his "superiority." *Snicker* Yeah, I've gained instant superiority after only forty-three years in the game. Stop, Len! You're cracking me up! Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it. What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an ARRL elected position? You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship. No, Brian, I have not. Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run? Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that, change their mind, that is... To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't make such a statement. Oh deary me. What will he do now? I don't believe you, so I'm sticking by MY statement even if you can't stick by yours. Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed! You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further attention to himself by braying about it. So how's your run for the Roanoke Division Directorship going? Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you hold? ...does Jim hold? Oh, Len holds a license of the same class. Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience allowed you to bypass military comms school? Brian, it only works ONE WAY, Heil's Way. Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-) The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same apprentice level. Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or the highway, but the Air Force way. Thank goodness it wasn't the amateur way... He's been a radio amateur for several weeks. He's green. NO, NO, NO...FACTUAL ERROR BY Heil. I am not green. As a caucasoid type human racial type I am various shades of PINK commonly referred to as "flesh color." As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio. You're green--a beginner. Will the hazing ever stop? Despite the tenor of some of his posts, he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun. There is NO "novice" class for new US amateur radio license class grants. That ended almost seven years ago. Sorry, Len. There was a Novice Class, but no novice class. I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case. You're a neophyte, a beginner. Hazing... Neither is there any AGE discrimination in FCC regulations, age low or high. It was perfectly permissible by law to take and pass ALL test elements in one test session...which is what I did on 25 Feb 07. The ARRL VEC accepted that, the FCC accepted that. Heil and Miccolis still can't "accept" that. I'll let Jim speak for himself on this issue. I fully accept that you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra. You've been issued a license. I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age. You now have an amateur radio license. Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio. The FCC does not require one to use their license. And forty years later one would have forty years of "experience." Your continued hazing is noted. I BEGAN in big-time radio... snip of irrelevant reruns Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses attitude of "beginners." I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license. Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal. You're 59. When someone proves that amateur radios work with "different" laws of physics than all other radios, I might consider myself as a "beginner." Until then, the REAL difference between amateur radio and the rest of radio is just some man-made adminstrative details...and from the ham bigots busy with self-righteous, I-am-so-important-because-I-know-code sneering and insulting of new licensees. That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio. Amateur radio is not solely concerned with the physics of radio. The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio. You have much to learn. You aren't an instant expert, Len. Dave K8MN Nor are you an expert, even after 40+ years. Really, what were you doing working out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters? |
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On Apr 10, 7:59 am, wrote:
On Apr 9, 1:17 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*. Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. No, Brian, I made no reference to anyone called "Robesin", nor did I mention the word "rape". Right. Kindly explain what you did mean. Great subject to joke about. The joke was not about rape. The joke was about one of the great manglers of language, a person who is a perpetual "victum". Dave K8MN *reap* Please do a word scramble and provide all possible words other than RAPE which you were referring to. Thanks. Hey, Dave. What word did you think Mark might have scrambled??? |
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AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT Subject: What Revolution? AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical A number of individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only the beginning. If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have pointed that out. True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby activity. I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word "hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio. I've told you a number of times that YOU are NOT the FCC and HAVE NO AUTHORITY over amateur radio. Are you losing control of yourself, Leonard? I wrote nothing about my being the FCC. I told you that the FCC does not use the word "hobby" to define amateur radio. It's a fact! But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted (terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes, especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down (and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee. That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of reality, you're sticking to it. It IS reality. No, Leonard, it is not. In fact, if you'll read your own words, just down the page, you'll see a guy with a brand new callsign acting as if he were very conscious of his new found RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES. Just how long have you had this idea that you are NOBILITY? Did God give that to you or did you develop it on your own? Wow, you *are* losing it. I wrote nothing of NOBILITY or God. If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true today. So? I took and passed all the test elements for a US amateur radio license on 25 Feb 07. The FCC (not your royal asshole self) granted me an AMATEUR EXTRA class license on 7 Mar 07. So I've noted. I've noted written that I handed you your new license. Lets see...before 7 Mar 07 you couldn't say enough bad things about me BECAUSE I didn't have any amateur radio license...now after 7 Mar 07 and the grant of AMATEUR EXTRA you STILL can't say enough bad things, can't denigrate me enough. Well, when you're an unbearable horse's patoot *without* an amateur radio license and an unbearable horse's patoot *with* an amateur radio license, it couldn't have been much of a surprise to you. I'd say you have one great big whopper of a PERSONALITY CONFLICT filled with hate and bile because you can't put me down... Putting you down hasn't proven to be the least bit difficult. can't silence me, I can't actually hear you, Len. Unlike you, I've never ordered anyone to leave the newsgroup. :-) ...can't change my mind. You've done that on your own on a number of occasions. :-) Ergo, YOU MUST RULE. Sorry, you DO NOT rule. You don't even work in the FCC. I've never claimed to "work in the FCC." We're in the same boat. Neither of us works for the FCC. WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war." The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. If you're going to play Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info. Evasion, ambiguity, attempt to misdirect. Why should you change tactics now? I'm used to seeing your evasion, ambiguity and attempts to misdirect. I gave you factual information. Classic "Major Dud" Robeson responses in here for years. It can't be much of a classic. There's no Major Dud posting here. Are you a Robeson Clone? You sure sound like one. I'm not using any usenet technology you could possibly hear, Len. *WHAT* did Heil *DO* in Vietnam? Try to be more specific than "serving his country" or being "in a country at war." What is it to you, Len? I'm not feeding you information. Did Heil spot artillery fall? Was he under "incoming?" How did David Heil get the experience-granted "authority" to denigrate anyone who has had that experience? I've not denigrated *anyone* who has had that experience. I have denigrated at least one individual who has not had the experience but who wrote about it as if he had. Try answering challenges DIRECTLY and not evading or misdirecting every single question. [not that I expect such things but one has to ask...] I've told you quite DIRECTLY that I've seen what you do with a little information. You don't have any and I'm not providing it for you. Now what will you do? You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience. Len has a few weeks at best. I'm sure he'll catsup quick. He'll have forty years experience in forty years. Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority. He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority." reinsertion of relative material snipped by Len Where did you see me writing of myself? You have a terrible personal case of inferiority. Everywhere that is free...certainly here in describing your adventures in Embassy postings...on two websites elsewhere. Let's keep you honest, shall we? I reinserted the material you snipped in an effort to make it appear that you responded to something other than that under discussion. Anyone can look at the reinserted material and see your tactic. I'm not that concerned with boy-wonder rock musician turned "diplomat" that I care to look unless someone sends me the web addresses. You must have missed a bunch of bio material, Len. I worked in broadcast radio in Miami and Cincinnati, was an outside salesman for a couple of industrial electronics distributors, played in a traveling rock band and was ten years with Cincinnati's Big Joe Duskin. You can even Google Duskin if you like. Don't forget the other classified info: I worked part-time at Sears as a high schooler and my car is yellow. For example, you described your "synchronization of TTYs via morse code communications"...in 1980...as a "good idea." Your quotes are selective and you shouldn't have used the word "your". AS IF radio teletype hasn't been used for 50 years before that. I made no statement to the time frame in which teletype was used. JIM has forty years more experience that you. He has? He was born in 1892?!? Awww, the old gent is becoming forgetful! He didn't remember that we were discussing amateur radio. You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility. Who is "Jim?" :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Welp, I looked through Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. and NOWHERE does it say I have to bow down to any Grate Ones in amateur radio nor even disturb them (into being "honked off") by comments in a newsgroup. Nope, you may continue with your usual tactics, in which case you'll continue to receive what you dish out. What are you going to do NOW, your Grateness? Write Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth and demand the FCC take away my amateur radio license due to "bad attitudes?" I'm dealing with your attitude this very moment. Poor baby. Still honked off because you can't put me down... That's easily done. Its effectiveness is indicated when you start coming unglued. can't silence my comments... I can't hear your comments. I've never suggested that you take your usenet posts elsewhere or that you stop. You've suggested that newsgroup posters do both. ...with all your mighty denigrations and put-downs? You must be. That seems to be all you do. I'm not going to silence you. I'm not going to tell you to go elsewhere. I'm going to counter you and make you an object of ridicule. Ya know, nowhere in Title 47 C.F.R. does it say anything about "beginners, neophytes, wet-behind-the-ears tyros" or other blabbering to me you and JIMMIE Miccolis have done. That doesn't mean there are no beginners in amateur radio. Everyone with an amateur radio license was a newcomer at some point. Only you are trying to deny your beginner status. I am a United States Amateur Extra class amateur licensee by a grant from the United States Federal Communications Commission. Yep, and you're a beginner in amateur radio. I took and passed all the required tests in one license exam session... Yep, you have the license. You're now a neophyte in amateur radio. ...thus qualifying for the colloquial ham radio expression of "Extra out of the box." ....but not qualifying for the colloquial amateur radio expression "Extra *right* out of the box." YOU don't like that. I'm rather ambivalent on the issue. I don't want to hang out with you. I don't want you as an on-air pal. I really don't expect to encounter you on the ham bands. MICCOLIS doesn't like that. Well, ANDERSON, I don't really know whether he does or not. Both of you think I should have "tested for International Morse Code cognition" during my amateur license exam. You know and I know and Jim knows that the 5 wpm Morse Code test had you beat. You got the license the way you could get the license. Sorry, but that wasn't a legal requirement. You got that part right. You waited for regs to change. It was a very, very long wait. No matter, both of you would have tried to PUT ME DOWN because the old code test rate was only 5 WPM and you "masters of radio operating" can do much faster code. :-) I run into a number of folks who can't do high speed CW and whom I've never "put down". It must be something about you and your attitude. :-) Heh, the actual test-and-passing wouldn't have made any change in your Gratenesses' attempts at put-downs. You both have been doing that since before and after I tested-and- passed! :-) Only your steamed Gratenesses' words were interchanged slightly before and after my test. :-) You just don't get it, Windy. Dave K8MN |
What Revolution?
AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT Subject: What Revolution? AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an ARRL elected position? You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship. No, Brian, I have not. Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run? Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that, change their mind, that is... reinsertion of related material snipped by Len To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't make such a statement. Then WHO writes all your postings for you? The way it looks now is that I type the bulk of my postings and hot-ham-and-cheese makes some of them up. :-) An alternate personality? [getting to be more like The Robesin every day...] If I have an alternate personality, it must be hot-ham-and-cheese. :-) If YOU - or whoever is impersonating you - writes a statement in here, then whatever you write "is attributed to you." ....and if I do not write a statement and someone pulls a statement from the air and tried to make it appear that it is something I've said, that is fiction at best and a deliberate falsehood at worst. Is that too complex for you to understand? I'm a couple of steps ahead of you on this one, Len. Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed! You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further attention to himself by braying about it. If MICCOLIS were MORE CIVIL he wouldn't constantly be bringing up OLD arguments, OLD postings, that were dropped by others long ago. I disagree. You've trotted out OLD arguments and OLD postings. You've told and retold your "Big time" ADA story countless times. You've used the same, tired, jokes five and six times each. Most of the stuff you classify as "dropped by others" means "swept under the rug" by Leonard Anderson. Other "dropped by others" items are termed "throwaway lines" by you. Neither would he be trying to MANUFACTURE "errors" and "facts" OUT OF CONTEXT. They aren't MANUFACTURED errors, Len. You've actually made them. In no case have you been able to show that the material was taken OUT OF CONTEXT. You do that also, but JIMMIE Miccolis makes it a de facto career. That's a factual error on your part, Foghorn. Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-) The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same apprentice level. God forbid the Grate Heil being an "APPRENTICE" level in anything! :-) Everybody starts somewhere, Len. Don't shy away from your neophyte status in amateur radio. :-) Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or the highway, but the Air Force way. So you DID get the free USAF training. You said you hadn't. That's a factual error on your part. I said no such thing. I wrote that I'd never had to attend an Air Force Technical School. Oh, my, such inconsistency in your "factual" statements! The inconsistency was in your ability to read and understand words. As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio. The United States Army does NOT use the term "boot" except for foot apparel. "Boot" is a USN term for RECRUITS. That'll come as news to those in the Air Force who are called "boot" as a term of derision. I'm sure you can tell us, Len, what was the term of derision used for new recruits in the Army? You want me to attend Basic Training ALL OVER AGAIN? Sounds fine to me, Len. Stupid man, you just can't stop your attempts at put- downs of others, can you? You and I both know that I'm not a stupid man, Len. Stupid man, the laws of physics work the SAME for amateur radio as it does for ALL OTHER RADIO SERVICES. The only "differences" lie in the (sometimes warped) mental attitudes of others...such as yourself, plus some adminstrative differentiations applied by the single U.S. civil radio regulating agency, the FCC. Did you know that you misspelled "administrative" the last two times you've attempted to use it? You've made another factual error, Leonard, old piranha. Administrative "differentiations" are not the same as different purposes for various radio service, different protocol in operation, different operating modes used and the like. One example would be the very common used of CW in amateur radio. VHF/UHF users would not concern themselves typically with a knowledge of propagation. Point-to-point HF users would likely concern themselves with the propagation between their station and up to several others. Radio amateurs, not being point-to-point users, concern themselves with weak signal, possible propagation paths. United States amateur radio is NOT a military or para- military "service." It is not a craft, a guild, or union that has "apprentice, journeyman, master" skill levels. It isn't even a "national service." Don't tell us what amateur radio is not, Len. Tell us what it is. US amateur radio is defined by the FCC for administrative purposes in differentiating between different radio services. That tells us pretty much nothing useful. The word "service" as used in all of Title 47 C.F.R. is a regulatory term defining the type and kind of radio activity being regulated by them. Tell us how the FCC defines amateur radio. Does the Commission ever refer to it as a hobby? You're green--a beginner. You are an antagonistic asshole who can't stop trying to put down your newsgroup "enemies" with the slightest denigrations you can dream up. I stated nothing unfactual, Len. You have just obtained your very first amateur radio license. You have no previous experience in amateur radio. You're a newcomer, a novice, a neophyte, green. We all start somewhere. You've started. I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case. You're a neophyte, a beginner. You've REALLY got a hard one in trying to put me down. It isn't hard at all, Len. You don't like being called a beginner, no matter how true it happens to be. We were all beginners in amateur radio at one time. You really don't like being called one. You ought to experience some catharsis, such as writing Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth about my "negligent attitude at now taking your Grateness 'advice.'" You are in no way obligated to take my advice, Len. You may cling to your old attitude and the results it has brought you. Maybe, with the "help" of your elected representatives, you can force the FCC to change my license to Technician! You'd still be a beginner as a Technician or a General Class licensee. Any way you slice it, you're a brand new ham. You don't like that part. Or, you could get some mental counseling and LOSE your antagoinistic I-am-superior attitude. Nobody has to kiss YOUR ass, salute you, or give up their seat on the amateur bus to you just because you are the Mighty Heil. You should take some of those swell ideas and write 'em down in a little notebook. You could look them over when you have your morning coffee (or before your mental counseling sessions) and ask yourself: Have I, a beginner in amateur radio, come off with an "I-am_superior" attitude? Have I acted in a manner that makes others feel that they have to kiss my ass, salut me or give up their seat on the bus to me, just because I am Leonard H. "I started in big time HF radio fifty years ago" Anderson? If you do that on a regular basis, you might come to see how it is that you aren't getting the warm welcome you seem to feel is your due. You aren't impressing long time hams, some of whom have done at least as much in electronics or radio operation as you've done. You aren't impressing those who have decades in amateur radio under their belts. You might understand why you are seem by some, as a pontificating blow hard. I fully accept that you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra. Tsk, you had to add the qualifier "currently in place!" :-) Why would anyone HAVE to pass requisite exams for any OTHER era? How could anyone possibly pass requisite exams for a FUTURE era? PRECISELY!!!! You passed the requisite exams currently in place. I obeyed the LAW. I passed. There's no law requiring you to pass. In ONE EXAM SESSION. ....but not "right out of the box." You've been issued a license. NO! I was GRANTED an amateur radio license by the FCC. As I said, you've been issued a license. If you must be the irritating, anatagonistic asshole about WORDS, try to use the CORRECT ones! You have to love a guy telling another to use the CORRECT words in the same sentence that he uses "anatagonistic." I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age. Tsk, tsk! You've done that consistently, old man. Since you snipped the material, I REALLY can't find anywhere above where I commented on your age. There is no maximum age for obtaining an amateur radio license in the United States, just as there is no minimum age. You now have an amateur radio license. Amateur Extra class. RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGE? Yes, it complements the First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operators License I was granted in March, 1956, and kept renewed until FCC regulations changed to make it a "GROL" with NO renewals necessary. How does it do that, Len? How does it complement the commercial license? Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio. Is that a COMMAND, your Grateness? Lenny don't do COMMANDS! Believe it or not, individuals are allowed a great freedom to do what THEY want, not what you "command." Have it your way. Don't use it and don't gain any experience. I will DO with MY amateur radio license what *I* choose to do...always keeping within the letter and spirit of the LAW (not working Frenchmen out of band on 6m). You may work all of the Frenchmen you like on Six Meters, Len and it won't matter a whit where they are in the band, as long as you stay where you are permitted to operate. I BEGAN in big-time radio... snip of irrelevant reruns Exactly WHAT is "irrelevant" about MY life experience, your Grateness? If it doesn't relate to amateur radio, it is irrelevant. If it has been written countless times before, it is irrelevant. Other than my being a perceived newsgroup "enemy" of yours? You attempted to snip a great deal of relevant comments when you responded to my last post in this thread. You did so, it seems, to try to make it appear that my words were about something else. The US Army didn't have - or allow - any "skipping of (union- grade) levels." That must have been tough for you. Do you think you could have challenged the course? snip Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses attitude of "beginners." I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license. You act the contemptible HYPOCRITE, Heil. You've spent a long, long message trying to put me down through all of it. Now you try the "nice-nice" route with the "congratulations." I'll be happy to withdraw my congratulations. You are about as two-faced a Janus as I've ever met. Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal. Keep YOUR mouth and keyboard SHUT once in a while and YOU might learn to be a civil human being. My keyboard doesn't open and shut, Len. Whatever shall I do? I've taken your ten year r.r.a.p. civility course, Leonard. Do I pass? That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio. See, the WRONG side of the Janus face gets all the attention and it MUST mouth off with "advice." How do you tell which is the wrong side? The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio. The "fact" is that you are an asshole of a human being wannabe, Heil. I think you're beginning to come apart. You have much to learn. YOU have MUCH MUCH MORE to learn about getting along with others. OFF radio. You almost have it. I've been trying to tell you something. You're still looking outside yourself. You aren't an instant expert, Len. I don't pretend to be. Yes, Len, you do pretend to be--often! Why do YOU pretend to be an "expert?" I've never claimed to be an expert in anything, Len. Other than with morse code mode communications, that is. I've not even claimed that. You come back ONLY when you've had PART of the experience I've had in OTHER radio services, INCLUDING radio as used by the Department of Defense in various contracting jobs (NO license necessary). Come back? I'm not going anywhere. Are you ordering someone to leave again, Len? I've had PART of the experiences you've had in OTHER radio service, INCLUDING DOD and I've done even more. Now what? Do I get a certificate? Don't try to snow the other hams with your "State Departement" radio officer stuff. I've not done that, Leonid. There's no "State Departement radio officer" position and there was no snow, just a lonely old know-it-all from California who acted as if he knew my job better than I. You were a civilian government employee (regardless of the fancy-schmancy Title you love to drop) for under 20 years. As I recall, you don't care for RANK-STATUS. Your Big Claim is BEING DX for radio amateurs through your posting in Finland and African countries. Finland isn't rare DX and I don't have a "Big Claim". You're reaching. The next thing you know, you'll be telling me my car color. Did the FCC post you there? Did the ARRL send you there? NO to both. So why were you asking if you already knew? So try being a HUMAN BEING. It must be hard for you to do that, but TRY. I think you're missing the point of the lesson, Len. There is a lesson, you know. You are NOT in "command." You have NO "authority." Try to remember that next time you use your "authority" to "command" others to do something, anything. What were you commanded to do? Dave K8MN |
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On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote: Subject: What Revolution? His USAF MOS (Military Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is the US Army equivalent of the AFSC. Dave, what was your AFSC? |
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On Apr 12, 3:27�am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Subject: What Revolution? * *His USAF MOS (Military * *Occupation Specialty). *Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. *I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". *It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and fall over such things? *"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is the US Army equivalent of the AFSC. Dave, what was your AFSC? Brian, don't expect an answer...:-) Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his "answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being specific. Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with the intention of putting down those he perceives are his newsgroup "enemies." I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I have also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non- specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their military jobs were...because they wished to elevate themselves as doing more than they actually did. I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be "more important sounding" to those around them, raise themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very Important. Those won't give specifics, claiming some kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details. We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what they actually did...which is the way they want it. They like to cloud issues because that is the first step in trying to sell themselves as something better than They are. All that smoke is bad for them...and not too swift for us, either. Heil was "in a country at war." Wow! Heil "worked with NASA." Wow! Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow! Yawn. I was in a country at war without even leaving the country. True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War. No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming," no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War directly only about WW2. :-) I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). Only one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally. Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few radio telemetry links. I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. Since Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks? At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949 in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of 2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged my 35-year old garage door opener which required replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires. 73, Len AF6AY |
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On Apr 11, 3:33�pm, wrote:
On 11 Apr 2007 16:20:45 -0700, "AF6AY" wrote: From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:27:14 GMT AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical Words and their meanings are important, Len. *Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote "according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all. * Somebody else writes your posts here? would n't that be an improvement in most cases WE will never know, Mark. :-) You wrote that you obtained an Extra out of the box, but you keeping trying to skip over the word "right". *You used it when you told us that you were going for an "Extra right out the box." * Tsk. *The phrase "Extra [right] Out Of The Box" is a colloquial * amateur radio one referring to one who takes and passes ALL * test elements in one exam session. *It was used BEFORE the * 2000 US amateur radio Restructuring. and given it was Your statement Len obviously you are the most unlike one to know it means (unless we go deep Pych terms of terms for myself I never doubted that assuming as occured we both lived long enough to see the end of Code testing that I would see you in short order as Ham and possible an extra given tha mount of BS in the combined question sort the frew prevelegdes of the several classes I did have some dout youd make in one test session I was worng about that Hey, no sweat, Mark. I didn't decide until February 17, 2007, seeing a very local test session available on February 25; I was busy with other things on Friday the 23rd. For me it was just "cram time" just like college days or the impossible-to-do-in-assigned-time- frame work assignments...download the QPs from www.ncvec.org, do a bunch of on-line practice tests (all of passing grades). The FCC license grant was legal on 7 March 2007, taking just two days more than my First 'Phone grant of March 1956...back in days when there was NO privatized testing and I had to go 90 miles into the Chicago FCC Field Office to take all four test elements for that. While "airmail" was quick back then, there wasn't any relatively-inexpensive "overnight delivery" services. I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. *I maxed out at ten hours per day, six days per week. * Poor baby. *Was the service rough on you? * In the US Army all are soldiers...those not on authorized leave * are ON DUTY 24/7. yep and likely to be wgo from sleeping to work in a mater of seconds True, but veteran battle-hardened, "I was in a country AT war" Heil won't comment on that. He "maxed-out" on only 10 hours per day, poor baby. I once worked 34 hours at a stretch on an emergency (military) transmitter repair, breaks only for meals and nature calls. I've worked 16 to 18 hours at a stretch in civilian jobs, fortunately not often. Thank you, but I'll take retirement any day...and the freedom to tell the control freaks to "up yours" when they get into "command mode." :-) Heil won't say what his "AFSC" was "a country at war." He probably is too "maxed out" to admit it? :-) 73, Len AF6AY |
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"Dave Heil" wrote:
In ONE EXAM SESSION. ...but not "right out of the box." Let's cut Windy some slack. Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was referring to might have been a coffin! |
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AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27�am, wrote: On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Subject: What Revolution? � �His USAF MOS (Military � �Occupation Specialty). �Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. �I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". �It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and fall over such things? �"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is the US Army equivalent of the AFSC. Dave, what was your AFSC? Brian, don't expect an answer...:-) That's good advice, Len. :-) Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his "answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being specific. There's no cloud. I've told you straight out: You aren't getting the information from me. Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with the intention of putting down those he perceives are his newsgroup "enemies." I'm not arguing the issue with you, Len. I'm not providing you the information. It is available elsewhere on the web. Check it out or don't. I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I had one unit in Basic Training. I had another during a two-year U.S. assignment. I had a third in Vietnam. My fourth unit was a U.S. tour after Vietnam. I recall them all. I recall where I was. I recall what I did. What I haven't done is share the information with you. Now what? I have also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non- specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their military jobs were...because they wished to elevate themselves as doing more than they actually did. I have not elevated myself as doing more than I actually did. I haven't told you what I did. I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be "more important sounding" to those around them, raise themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very Important. If they are mythical bootstraps, that can't be a very effective technique. Those won't give specifics, claiming some kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details. As an alternative, they've seen your insulting behavior toward others and have decided that they have no need to fuel you. We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what they actually did...which is the way they want it. You never get the big picture, Len. I've seen what I did in the military. You haven't seen it. *That* is the way I want it. They like to cloud issues because that is the first step in trying to sell themselves as something better than They are. Let's test that theory. I've told you relatively nothing about what I did in Vietnam. According to you, I'd have to be peddling a different story about my duties in Vietnam in order to elevate myself. That didn't happen. I haven't told you anything. All that smoke is bad for them... There's been no smoke--and there's been no information. ...and not too swift for us, either. You don't appear to be very swift. Heil was "in a country at war." Wow! That's how you work it. You know that I was in the Air Force in Vietnam. That's all the information you have to work with. Generate all the "wow's" you like. Heil "worked with NASA." Wow! ....not in Vietnam, Len. That only took place in West Africa. Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow! That's correct--not at any time in the military. I wrote "low power, tinker toy radios." Yawn. Take a nap if the puzzle has you fatigued. I was in a country at war without even leaving the country. I've already told you that I was in the country where the war was going on. It wasn't like being in Japan during the Korean War with artillery barrages and threats from yet-to-be-developed Soviet bombers. True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War. No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming," no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War directly only about WW2. :-) That's nice, Len. It wasn't much different than Japan for you then. :-) I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). Only one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally. Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few radio telemetry links. That's fantastic! I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. Since Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks? ....and I have no doubt that when someone describes an object as "Mickey Mouse", you're busy looking for Mr. Disney. At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949 in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of 2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged my 35-year old garage door opener which required replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires. That's a relief, Len. I was concerned for your towers and antennas. What size tower have you installed at the Los Angeles home? Have you put up a sizable yagi or are you a cubical quad man? The tower which failed here was made out your way. It didn't meet its published specs. The winds which rake this exposed hilltop are likely higher than those encountered in a place like yours, a low spot surrounded by hills. I have another tower and yagi ready to be installed later this month. It won't be a California-made, crank up model. It'll be another Rohn 25 with guys at two levels. My seventy-footer of the same tower has withstood all storms encountered here, even with a 40m beam and other antennas mounted on it. If you're worried about high winds, perhaps Roger Wiseman can recommend a wire multiband antenna with great performance, even when mounted relatively low to the ground. It might even be a better antenna for earthquake country. Dave K8MN |
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AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 11, 3:33�pm, wrote: On 11 Apr 2007 16:20:45 -0700, "AF6AY" wrote: From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:27:14 GMT AF6AY wrote: From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700 On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical Words and their meanings are important, Len. �Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote "according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all. � Somebody else writes your posts here? would n't that be an improvement in most cases WE will never know, Mark. :-) What a surprise! I have responses from a guy who plays fast and loose with the meanings of words and another who writes gibberish. I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. �I maxed out at ten hours per day, six days per week. � Poor baby. �Was the service rough on you? � In the US Army all are soldiers...those not on authorized leave � are ON DUTY 24/7. yep and likely to be wgo from sleeping to work in a mater of seconds True, but veteran battle-hardened, "I was in a country AT war" Heil won't comment on that. You're starting to get it! He "maxed-out" on only 10 hours per day, poor baby. I once worked 34 hours at a stretch on an emergency (military) transmitter repair, breaks only for meals and nature calls. ....but you've never worked 24-hours per day, seven days per week. I've worked 16 to 18 hours at a stretch in civilian jobs, fortunately not often. ....but you've never worked 24-hours per day, seven days per week. Heil won't say what his "AFSC" was "a country at war." He probably is too "maxed out" to admit it? :-) Like my DD-214 and copies of my military orders, my AFSC (not MOS) was never any of your concern. I can tell you that my AFSC was not "a country at war." :-) :-) Dave K8MN |
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KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote: In ONE EXAM SESSION. ...but not "right out of the box." Let's cut Windy some slack. Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was referring to might have been a coffin! He's not coming "out of the box" or "right out of the box" in that case. Dave K8MN |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Subject: What Revolution? His USAF MOS (Military Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is the US Army equivalent of the AFSC. Dave, what was your AFSC? Nah! Ya don't spose' he was a "drafted" Lt. Colonel like Morkie? |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:54:42 -0400, "KH6HZ" wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote: In ONE EXAM SESSION. ...but not "right out of the box." Let's cut Windy some slack. Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was referring to might have been a coffin! realy I guess you are a dumb as you sound MD Thank God he's not as dumb as YOU sound, Morkins. -- I don't want to poison any NG please stop lying about me |
What Revolution?
On Apr 11, 8:37 pm, wrote:
On Apr 10, 7:59 am, wrote: On Apr 9, 1:17 pm, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote: On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical warm, wonderful "welcome" message of: Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown. Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just reap what you sow. I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*. Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. No, Brian, I made no reference to anyone called "Robesin", nor did I mention the word "rape". Right. Kindly explain what you did mean. Great subject to joke about. The joke was not about rape. The joke was about one of the great manglers of language, a person who is a perpetual "victum". Dave K8MN *reap* Please do a word scramble and provide all possible words other than RAPE which you were referring to. Thanks. Hey, Dave. What word did you think Mark might have scrambled??? Yo Dave, why can't you tell me what you really meant? ...so Robesinesque! |
What Revolution?
On Apr 12, 2:53 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27?am, wrote: On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Subject: What Revolution? ? ?His USAF MOS (Military ? ?Occupation Specialty). ?Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. ?I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". ?It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and fall over such things? ?"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is the US Army equivalent of the AFSC. Dave, what was your AFSC? Brian, don't expect an answer...:-) I'm still trying to get him to answer what he meant by his *reap* remark. My meaning was pefectly clear, but he pulled a Robesin, made a funny about something despicable, now he won't respond. Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his "answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being specific. Yup. Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with the intention of putting down those he perceives are his newsgroup "enemies." Yup. I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I have also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non- specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their military jobs were...because they wished to elevate themselves as doing more than they actually did. Engaged in seven (7) hostile actions and stolen valor? I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be "more important sounding" to those around them, raise themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very Important. Those won't give specifics, claiming some kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details. We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what they actually did...which is the way they want it. They like to cloud issues because that is the first step in trying to sell themselves as something better than They are. All that smoke is bad for them...and not too swift for us, either. Second-hand smoke is being outlawed everywhere. Heil was "in a country at war." Wow! Heil "worked with NASA." Wow! Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow! Yawn. I'm so proud of him. I was in a country at war without even leaving the country. True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War. Dominican Republic, Grenada, Somalia, Haiti, Panama... No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming," no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War directly only about WW2. :-) What? About two years after Churchill begged them? I'm so proud. I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). NASA engineers came to us... remote sensing. Only one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally. Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few radio telemetry links. I'd love to watch a shuttle launch. I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. There are some kid electronics kits that are "LEGO" like. Expensive, but modular. Looks cool. Since Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks? Dejavu all over again! At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949 in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of 2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged my 35-year old garage door opener which required replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires. 73, Len AF6AY Welp, Dave won't talk about his directional loops anymore... must have come down with his tower. |
What Revolution?
On Apr 12, 6:09 pm, "AccountsPayable" anon@anon wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Subject: What Revolution? His USAF MOS (Military Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is the US Army equivalent of the AFSC. Dave, what was your AFSC? Nah! Ya don't spose' he was a "drafted" Lt. Colonel like Morkie?- The US Army drafted people. The US Air Force didn't. |
What Revolution?
wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 12, 6:09 pm, "AccountsPayable" anon@anon wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote: AF6AY wrote: Subject: What Revolution? His USAF MOS (Military Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him? It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force Specialty Code. Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is the US Army equivalent of the AFSC. Dave, what was your AFSC? Nah! Ya don't spose' he was a "drafted" Lt. Colonel like Morkie?- The US Army drafted people. The US Air Force didn't. Makes little difference. The group Myna bird wasn't an officer, either. |
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