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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:

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So less than two dozen ( 24) amateurs aren't enough to make up a VE
team? That IS news to me.


If the numbers presented earlier were correct, it would not matter if they
were all VEs. They could not have tested Mark since only one of them held
a
license class higher than General. To conduct a General license exam, they
must hold either an Advanced or Extra license.


Dee is a cheerleader for Morse Code and the ARRL. That's known as
"bias."


My support of Morse code has no bearing on the number of VEs in Mark's
area
who are eligible to administer the General exam.

Dee, N8UZE

In retrospect, using the "cheerleader" descriptor thus presented, I could
easily make a similar case that his no-code bias is glaringly obvious. Tit
for tat, eh?
Thanks again, Dee.

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On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 8, 10:08?am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:01:35 -0500, "Lardass Davies"
wrote:

You would have passed that exam if the VE didn't hate bisexual
pagens
morkietard.

no I might have passed it if I had not been tried frommaking the
trip
in this season which I had to do becuase the locals VE were too
procode to schedlue a session here dispite having more poeple asking
than have attened all ve's session combined in the last 2 years

Several points, Morkie...

First of all, FCC Rules and Regulations require that a VE team
consist of three unrelated (to the applicant) members. According to
QRZ, I find less than 2 dozen licensed Amateurs within 20 miles of
you. You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway.

Secondly, the VE team members must be of at least equal licensure
to the level being TESTED FOR...Not already in-hand. That means that
only SEVEN of those number were even ELIGIBLE to be VE's to test you
to the level of General, and only ONE of those persons holds an
Extra,
so no matter what, you'd have to drive somewhere to get above
General.

Now we get to the root of the matter. Unless the rules have changed, a
VE
(with the exception of Extras) must have a license class higher than
the
exams they administer. Thus the General class licensee can only
administer
Tech class exams. To get above Tech, he would most likely have to
drive
somewhere else.

The Advanced and Extras can administer Tech & General Exams. The
Extras
can
administer Tech, General, and Extra exams. If your data is correct on
the
number of licensees in the area, they could NOT have tested him for
General
unless there were also some Advanced class licensees around who were
VEs.
So it would seem that he asked for the impossible. No wonder they
would
not
schedule an exam for him.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?


He made an error that needed correcting (i.e. what tests Generals could
give). Otherwise some readers might have ended up acting on this
incorrect
information and been disappointed.

Dee, N8UZE

Mark? In err? Oh, say it ain't so!
Mark (no pun intended) my words...Mark will soon dispute you. He won't let a
few facts stand in his way.

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On Mar 9, 10:12�pm, wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:
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On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
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On Mar 8, 10:08?am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:01:35 -0500, "Lardass Davies"
wrote:

You would have passed that exam if the VE didn't hate bisexual
pagens
morkietard.

no I might have passed it if I had not been tried frommaking the trip
in this season which I had to do becuase the locals VE were too
procode to schedlue a session here dispite having more poeple asking
than have attened all ve's session combined in the last 2 years

* *Several points, Morkie...

* *First of all, FCC Rules and Regulations require that a VE team
consist of three unrelated (to the applicant) members. *According to
QRZ, I find less than 2 dozen licensed Amateurs within 20 miles of
you. *You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway.

* *Secondly, the VE team members must be of at least equal licensure
to the level being TESTED FOR...Not already in-hand. *That means that
only SEVEN of those number were even ELIGIBLE to be VE's to test you
to the level of General, and only ONE of those persons holds an Extra,
so no matter what, you'd have to drive somewhere to get above General.

Now we get to the root of the matter. *Unless the rules have changed, a
VE
(with the exception of Extras) must have a license class higher than the
exams they administer. *Thus the General class licensee can only
administer
Tech class exams. *To get above Tech, he would most likely have to drive
somewhere else.

The Advanced and Extras can administer Tech & General Exams. *The Extras
can
administer Tech, General, and Extra exams. *If your data is correct on
the
number of licensees in the area, they could NOT have tested him for
General
unless there were also some Advanced class licensees around who were
VEs.
So it would seem that he asked for the impossible. *No wonder they would
not
schedule an exam for him.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?

Mr. Cheese:

What's wrong with N8UZE's response?

And who is "Robesin"?

Dee was not validating Robesin's remarks.

She replied to Robesin.

She was validating those of KH6HZ.

She replied to Robesin. *She if free to reply to Deigan if it were
Deignan she wishe dto reply to.

Read her post again.

Yep.

She was making a learned statement of fact. That KH6HZ
did a little research and pointed out some of the issues with the numbers
and classifications of Hams in Mark's immediate area could have been
researched by anybody, even you.

Why would I?

To ascertain the facts.

Even if every single amateur in Mark's area were an accredited
VE, there don't appear to bet enough who hold the FCC-required
class of license to hold a VE session for him.

*Is there another mailing going out to Mark's ham
neighbors?

Steve merely voiced the findings and added
to them.

Robesin adds nothing to the discussion except sexual inuendo and
accusations that Mark's wife is a man.

In fact, Dee rightfully defended the VE's

So less than two dozen ( 24) amateurs aren't enough to make up a VE
team? *That IS news to me.

Then you need to read the appropriate FCC rules about the
class of license required of a VE for a particular license class.

You obviously aren't up to speed on certain aspects of Part 97.

that Mark wrongfully accused of
being "pro code", and who, according to Mark, refused him a test session.

So who was this VE? *What did he/she tell you about the discussion he
had with Mark?

Dee has a great amount of credibility.

Dee is a cheerleader for Morse Code and the ARRL. *That's known as
"bias."

Mr. Cheese, you have just performed a textbook example of the
classic "ad hominem" attack. N8UZE's opinion of Morse Code
testing and/or ARRL has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual
FCC rules about VE testing, yet you claim "bias" of some sort.

Mark has none. Dee has never misled
or printed falsehoods in these groups. Mark has.

So has Robesin and Deignan. *How many amateurs are in their
"Hoods?" *(Good luck on getting a valid address for Deignan.)

Another example from you. Try sticking to the fact that there
simply aren't enough amateurs who hold the required licenses
within 20 miles of Mark in order to hold a VE session for General
or Extra. That's one of the downsides for choosing to live in an area
with
low population density.

---

It seems to me that an important point about VE testing has been
missed in thise discussion - that of VEs being, well, "Volunteers".

VEs aren't paid, unless you count the refreshments and maybe
some expenses. They have to do a lot of paperwork and legwork
to set up, run and document a VE session, all on their own time.
Their amateur radio reputations and licenses are on the line
every time they do so.

Yet some unnamed VEs are being attacked and accused of
bias simply because they didn't put on a special VE session
for one amateur who chooses to live in a low-population-density
area. Mark wanted VEs from outside his area to come
to him, rather than he going to them, and blamed it all on them
being "procode". As if there's something wrong with being
in favor of Morse Code - not the test, the mode itself.

There was no requirement that any VEs put on special sessions
because of the rules changes. They did so anyway, as a favor,
not a requirement.

I am reminded of someone who accused certain VEs of
"fraud" simply because they presided over the license
testing of a young amateur, even though the accuser did
not know of any real fraud, was not present at the VE session,
and in fact had no evidence and did not know any of the
people involved at all.

How about a little respect and thanks for the VEs?
They certainly deserve it.

AFAIK, "Mr. Cheese" is not a VE. Nor am I, or anyone
posting to this thread except N8UZE.

So I'll say "THANK YOU" to Dee, and all VEs who help
with the licensing process. And all who have done so
for more than 20 years, since the FCC abdicated the
responsibility of testing for amateur radio licenses.

Without those Volunteer Examiners, there would be
no possibility of the so-called "Revolution".


And I'll put my first name and call on this post.

Jim, N2EY

Morkie and VE Testing
 

On Mar 9, 10:31 pm, "Mandy" anon@anon wrote:
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ups.com... On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:

Steve merely voiced the findings and added
to them.

Robesin adds nothing to the discussion except sexual inuendo and
accusations that Mark's wife is a man.

But..but...it is OK for Mark to outright state that Steve's wife should have
aborted their daughter?

Doesn't a woman have the right to choose?

And prove to us that Mark's alleged wife is of one gender or another. We
have no proof that she is even his wife.

What has this to do with amateur radio policy?

It's none of your business. None of Robesin's business either.

In fact, Dee rightfully defended the VE's

So less than two dozen ( 24) amateurs aren't enough to make up a VE
team? That IS news to me.

How many of them are accredited VE examiners? Can you show me that?

Can you? You're the one claiming that Mark lied.

that Mark wrongfully accused of
being "pro code", and who, according to Mark, refused him a test
session.

So who was this VE? What did he/she tell you about the discussion he
had with Mark?

I'd like to know that myself. We have only Mark's "word", and Mark has been
known to twist the facts to suit his eternal victim status.

No, we have Robesin making accusations. I'd like to know which VE he
talked to and got this information.

Dee has a great amount of credibility.

Dee is a cheerleader for Morse Code and the ARRL. That's known as
"bias."

Dee is well educated. That apparently rankles you and Mark.

Well educated people can be biased. No collitches even specialize in
it.

Mark has none. Dee has never misled
or printed falsehoods in these groups. Mark has.

So has Robesin and Deignan. How many amateurs are in their
"Hoods?" (Good luck on getting a valid address for Deignan.)

Why would I want same? Better yet, why would YOU want same?

I could care less how many amateurs have to suffer with those two on
their local repeaters.

Morkie and VE Testing
 

On Mar 10, 12:15 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:

[snip]



So less than two dozen ( 24) amateurs aren't enough to make up a VE
team? That IS news to me.

If the numbers presented earlier were correct, it would not matter if they
were all VEs. They could not have tested Mark since only one of them held a
license class higher than General. To conduct a General license exam, they
must hold either an Advanced or Extra license.



Dee is a cheerleader for Morse Code and the ARRL. That's known as
"bias."

My support of Morse code has no bearing on the number of VEs in Mark's area
who are eligible to administer the General exam.

Dee, N8UZE

Fair enough.

I was just disgusted by your legitimizing Robesin's sexual inuendo and
accusations that Mark's wife is a man.

That is all.

Morkie and VE Testing
 

On Mar 10, 12:38 am, "Mandy" anon@anon wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message

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wrote in message
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On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:

[snip]

So less than two dozen ( 24) amateurs aren't enough to make up a VE
team? That IS news to me.

If the numbers presented earlier were correct, it would not matter if they
were all VEs. They could not have tested Mark since only one of them held
a
license class higher than General. To conduct a General license exam, they
must hold either an Advanced or Extra license.

Dee is a cheerleader for Morse Code and the ARRL. That's known as
"bias."

My support of Morse code has no bearing on the number of VEs in Mark's
area
who are eligible to administer the General exam.

Dee, N8UZE

In retrospect, using the "cheerleader" descriptor thus presented, I could
easily make a similar case that his no-code bias is glaringly obvious. Tit
for tat, eh?
Thanks again, Dee.

No-Code is the law of the land. Is that bias?

"Well you came and you gave without takin'
But I sent you away, oh Mandy
Well, you kissed me and stopped me from shakin'
And I need you today, oh Mandy"

Barry Manilow

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On Mar 10, 7:40 am, wrote:
On Mar 9, 10:12?pm, wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:53 pm, "Mork" Dork@anon wrote:
wrote in message
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On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
roups.com...
On Mar 8, 10:08?am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:01:35 -0500, "Lardass Davies"
wrote:

You would have passed that exam if the VE didn't hate bisexual
pagens
morkietard.

no I might have passed it if I had not been tried frommaking the trip
in this season which I had to do becuase the locals VE were too
procode to schedlue a session here dispite having more poeple asking
than have attened all ve's session combined in the last 2 years

? ?Several points, Morkie...

? ?First of all, FCC Rules and Regulations require that a VE team
consist of three unrelated (to the applicant) members. ?According to
QRZ, I find less than 2 dozen licensed Amateurs within 20 miles of
you. ?You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway.

? ?Secondly, the VE team members must be of at least equal licensure
to the level being TESTED FOR...Not already in-hand. ?That means that
only SEVEN of those number were even ELIGIBLE to be VE's to test you
to the level of General, and only ONE of those persons holds an Extra,
so no matter what, you'd have to drive somewhere to get above General.

Now we get to the root of the matter. ?Unless the rules have changed, a
VE
(with the exception of Extras) must have a license class higher than the
exams they administer. ?Thus the General class licensee can only
administer
Tech class exams. ?To get above Tech, he would most likely have to drive
somewhere else.

The Advanced and Extras can administer Tech & General Exams. ?The Extras
can
administer Tech, General, and Extra exams. ?If your data is correct on
the
number of licensees in the area, they could NOT have tested him for
General
unless there were also some Advanced class licensees around who were
VEs.
So it would seem that he asked for the impossible. ?No wonder they would
not
schedule an exam for him.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?

Mr. Cheese:

What's wrong with N8UZE's response?

She legitimizes Robesin's inuendo remarks and accusations that Mark's
wife is a man.

Morkie and VE Testing
 

On Mar 10, 12:04 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message

You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway.

Now we get to the root of the matter. Unless the rules have changed, a
VE
(with the exception of Extras) must have a license class higher than the
exams they administer. Thus the General class licensee can only
administer
Tech class exams. To get above Tech, he would most likely have to drive
somewhere else.

The Advanced and Extras can administer Tech & General Exams. The Extras
can
administer Tech, General, and Extra exams. If your data is correct on
the
number of licensees in the area, they could NOT have tested him for
General
unless there were also some Advanced class licensees around who were VEs.
So it would seem that he asked for the impossible. No wonder they would
not
schedule an exam for him.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?

He made an error that needed correcting (i.e. what tests Generals could
give).

He made other errors and accusations, i.e., "You're shacked up with
one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway."

Why did you legitimize his inuendo and accusations with your remarks?

Otherwise some readers might have ended up acting on this incorrect
information and been disappointed.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, how would we have "acted" on incorrect information? which
readers?

Morkie and VE Testing
 

On Mar 10, 12:43 am, "Mandy" anon@anon wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message

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wrote in message
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On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message

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On Mar 8, 10:08?am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:01:35 -0500, "Lardass Davies"
wrote:

You would have passed that exam if the VE didn't hate bisexual
pagens
morkietard.

no I might have passed it if I had not been tried frommaking the
trip
in this season which I had to do becuase the locals VE were too
procode to schedlue a session here dispite having more poeple asking
than have attened all ve's session combined in the last 2 years

Several points, Morkie...

First of all, FCC Rules and Regulations require that a VE team
consist of three unrelated (to the applicant) members. According to
QRZ, I find less than 2 dozen licensed Amateurs within 20 miles of
you. You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway.

Secondly, the VE team members must be of at least equal licensure
to the level being TESTED FOR...Not already in-hand. That means that
only SEVEN of those number were even ELIGIBLE to be VE's to test you
to the level of General, and only ONE of those persons holds an
Extra,
so no matter what, you'd have to drive somewhere to get above
General.

Now we get to the root of the matter. Unless the rules have changed, a
VE
(with the exception of Extras) must have a license class higher than
the
exams they administer. Thus the General class licensee can only
administer
Tech class exams. To get above Tech, he would most likely have to
drive
somewhere else.

The Advanced and Extras can administer Tech & General Exams. The
Extras
can
administer Tech, General, and Extra exams. If your data is correct on
the
number of licensees in the area, they could NOT have tested him for
General
unless there were also some Advanced class licensees around who were
VEs.
So it would seem that he asked for the impossible. No wonder they
would
not
schedule an exam for him.

Dee, N8UZE-

Dee, why do you even validate Robesin's remarks with a legitimate
reply?

He made an error that needed correcting (i.e. what tests Generals could
give). Otherwise some readers might have ended up acting on this
incorrect
information and been disappointed.

Dee, N8UZE

Mark? In err? Oh, say it ain't so!
Mark (no pun intended) my words...Mark will soon dispute you. He won't let a
few facts stand in his way.

"You're shacked up with one of them, but in any case he's only a
Technician and ineligible to test you anyway."

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wrote

As if there's something wrong with being in favor of
Morse Code - not the test, the mode itself.

Pretty much. A textbook example of how a large segment of the "No Code
Agenda" isn't about simply removing the code test, but instead is interested
in destroying the mode itself, due to some irrational hatred of the mode of
operation.

The funny part about Mark's rant is even if there were an adequate number of
Extra-class operators around to give him a test, it is not outside the realm
of possibility that those Extras might have been licensed after 2000, and
could have only passed the fairly trivial 5wpm code examination to obtain
their Extra-class license.


I am reminded of someone who accused certain
VEs of "fraud" simply because they presided over
the license testing of a young amateur,

I seem to recall that too. And, if I remember correctly, the accuser wasn't
even a licensed amateur at the time of the accusation.


So I'll say "THANK YOU" to Dee, and all VEs who help
with the licensing process.

Most definitely. I've been to 4 VE sessions in my lifetime, and that was
enough for me.

73
kh6hz