On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown.
Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just
reap what you sow.
I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll
have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*.

Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape. Great
subject to joke about.

? ?Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
? ?operator license 51 years ago NOT count? ?
Count for what, Len?
What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur
radio?
Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.
You continue to misquote me.

I see no quote.

You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement.
You are in error.

Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote.

My amateur radio license gave me the
knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams.

Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how
could you have passed the amateur exam?

The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam.

So how could it be that your amateur radio knowledge was useful in
passing such a non-amateur radio exam?

A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.

If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.

Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with
something I've not stated.

Yet it is what you did.

The Air Force did not provide a pass on
training because I held an amateur radio license. The Air Force allowed
me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam.

Yet in your own words, you were able to pass that exam because of
amateur radio knowledge...

You sure do like to twist things up and smoke them.

Of course it
? ?"doesn't count" sinc AMATEUR RADIO is the ONLY WAY
? ?one can "get experience" according to the snipers and
? ?general cat-callers.
Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience,
Len.
You've got plenty of that, Jim. Probably more than a 4 year old
Extra.
You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

He'll have forty years experience in forty years.

Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority.

Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?
What's to know? Please start a list.
You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

You're 59...

That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an
amateur radio license?

What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second
QSOs?

And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an
amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind-
the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.
What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

No, Brian, I have not.

Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run?

I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.
He's merely annoying. He knows everything - just ask him.
I will. Len, do you know everything?

Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,
put together a basic station, and made a few contacts
using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"
is that?
He did it on HF without a single morse code exam.
Vive le revolucion!
Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more
like you are one of the arrogant nobility.
Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal.
I can't see how that works, Brian. Len is a guy who became a brand new
radio amateur a few weeks ago.
Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Oh, Len holds a license of the same class.

Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has
gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other
services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience
allowed you to bypass military comms school?

He's been a radio amateur
for several weeks. He's green. Despite the tenor of some of his posts,
he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun.

You're the one who's green - with envy...

Best of Luck

Well, thanks for the kind wishes, Brian. Maybe you'll want to wish Len
some luck in his venture into the world of amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

Sure.

From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical

Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.
You continue to misquote me.

I see no quote.

You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement.
You are in error.

Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote.

:-) All those outraged morsemen bitching and moaning about
EVIDENCE and EXACT WORDS...so that they will have some trivial
thing to argue over in front of some "judge." :-)


My amateur radio license gave me the
knowledge to pass the Bypassed Specialist exams.

Wrong. False. The knowledge comes before the license, otherwise how
could you have passed the amateur exam?

The Bypassed Specialist exam was not an amateur radio exam.

So how could it be that your amateur radio knowledge was useful in
passing such a non-amateur radio exam?

The mystery of the ages... :-)

One slight omission by "Barrister" Heil: His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in
a country at war?"

During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the
vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either
one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types
made and operational.


A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.

If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.

True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby
activity.

But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted
(terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes,
especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their
beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down
(and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee.

Now IN the electronics industry (where the rest of the radio
world's equipment - and some amateur gear - is designed and
made), the vast majority of those involved do NOT have amateur
radio licenses! Those involved in everyday work with radio
and electronics found it a fascinating, challenging activity
all by itself. No "ham ticket" was necessary...indeed was a
superfluous thing since amateur radio licenses are NOT needed
for the rest of the radio world.


Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.

So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with
something I've not stated.

Yet it is what you did.

WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he
states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war."


The Air Force did not provide a pass on
training because I held an amateur radio license. The Air Force allowed
me to skip Tech School because I passed the Bypassed Specialist exam.

Yet in your own words, you were able to pass that exam because of
amateur radio knowledge...

You sure do like to twist things up and smoke them.

:-) I think he tries to be a "Johnnie Cochrane" in some "court"
and winds up sounding more like he drank too much Johnnie Walker.


You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

He'll have forty years experience in forty years.

Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority.

He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority."

He MUST be above all others. The Latin phrase "Primus inter pares"
suits him ("first among equals"), a Latin oxymoron of all things.

Notice he is getting to be more like The Robesin all the time?


Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?
What's to know? Please start a list.
You've held a license for at least a couple of decades. Shouldn't you
have an inkling by now?

You're 59...

That's the sum total of knowledge you've acquired since you obtained an
amateur radio license?

What? You don't like standardized replies that allow for 13 second
QSOs?

Heil wants His NOW. Instant gratification of his "superiority."


Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.
What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

No, Brian, I have not.

Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run?

Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that,
change their mind, that is...

Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!


Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Oh, Len holds a license of the same class.

Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has
gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other
services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience
allowed you to bypass military comms school?

Brian, it only works ONE WAY, Heil's Way.

Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)


He's been a radio amateur
for several weeks. He's green.

NO, NO, NO...FACTUAL ERROR BY Heil. I am not green. As a
caucasoid
type human racial type I am various shades of PINK commonly
referred
to as "flesh color." Blue eyes, light brown hair (with a little
grey
here and there).

I recycle recyclable trash every week...although the LA City
Sanitation supplied can is colored BLUE. :-)

My specific amateur radio equipment is "basic BLACK" with white
legends and a little chrome and aluminum trim (Icom - LDG - MFJ -
Heil Sound - chosen colors). It sits on a nice desk (melamine
surfaces) of BROWN. The credit card I used to pay for it is
mostly BLUE with RED and White trim.


Despite the tenor of some of his posts,
he's a novice in amateur radio. He's just begun.

You're the one who's green - with envy...

I'm not a tenor. More of a baritone. I do have "perfect pitch"
as far as the standard chromatic scale of musical notes is
concerned.

There is NO "novice" class for new US amateur radio license
class grants. That ended almost seven years ago.

Neither is there any AGE discrimination in FCC regulations,
age low or high. It was perfectly permissible by law to take
and pass ALL test elements in one test session...which is what
I did on 25 Feb 07. The ARRL VEC accepted that, the FCC
accepted that. Heil and Miccolis still can't "accept" that.

I BEGAN in big-time radio in the US Army in 1953 with my first
posting to an HF transmitter site. That involved not just KW
RF output transmitters but VHF, UHF radios, then microwave radio
relay terminals (late 1954), plus HTs and backpack radio use
common to "line" outfits (infantry-artillery-armor). So my
"beginning" happened 54 years ago, not a "month" ago. The
laws of physics applied equally well to radios in that time
(and to fields and waves) as it does NOW.

Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses
attitude of "beginners." When someone proves that amateur radios
work with "different" laws of physics than all other radios,
I might consider myself as a "beginner." Until then, the REAL
difference between amateur radio and the rest of radio is just
some man-made adminstrative details...and from the ham bigots
busy with self-righteous, I-am-so-important-because-I-know-code
sneering and insulting of new licensees.

73s, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical

Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. He was DDA.
You continue to misquote me.
I see no quote.
You used the words "according to Heil". I never made such a statement.
You are in error.
Yes I did, but that is no substitute for a quote.

:-) All those outraged morsemen bitching and moaning about
EVIDENCE and EXACT WORDS...so that they will have some trivial
thing to argue over in front of some "judge." :-)

Words and their meanings are important, Len. Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote
"according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all.
You wrote that you obtained an Extra out of the box, but you keeping
trying to skip over the word "right". You used it when you told us that
you were going for an "Extra right out the box."


One slight omission by "Barrister" Heil:

I've not claimed to be a barrister, Foghorn. I've omitted much about my
time in the Air Force. It seems to drive you crazy.

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in
a country at war?"

I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. I maxed out at ten hours per day, six
days per week.

During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the
vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either
one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types
made and operational.

I used no low power, tinker toy radio equipment during my time in the
military.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:27:14 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical


Words and their meanings are important, Len. Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote
"according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all.

Somebody else writes your posts here?

You wrote that you obtained an Extra out of the box, but you keeping
trying to skip over the word "right". You used it when you told us that
you were going for an "Extra right out the box."

Tsk. The phrase "Extra [right] Out Of The Box" is a colloquial
amateur radio one referring to one who takes and passes ALL
test elements in one exam session. It was used BEFORE the
2000 US amateur radio Restructuring.

I've not claimed to be a barrister, Foghorn.

You sure ACT like you were one...complete with the powdered
wig and black robes.

I've omitted much about my time in the Air Force.

You probably SHOULD. You don't want to talk about it, so
you must not have done anything significant.


It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

You are out of order in this court, counselor. What did you
DO in the USAF? Explain it in words. Don't be EVASIVE by
misdirecting into trivial chewing out about using "wrong"
USAF titles of occupation specialties.

Did Heil operate ANY radio (other than a BC receiver) while "in
a country at war?"

I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. I maxed out at ten hours per day, six
days per week.

Poor baby. Was the service rough on you?

In the US Army all are soldiers...those not on authorized leave
are ON DUTY 24/7.

During the Vietanm War only two transceiver types made up the
vast bulk of communications. I've not seen Heil mention either
one of them, despite an eighth of a million of those two types
made and operational.

I used no low power, tinker toy radio equipment during my time in the
military.

Oh, my, the ELITIST speaks! All of the US military branches
don't consider operational radio communications equipment as
"low power, tinker toy." Certainly not for REAL COMBAT
operations involving real Life and Death situations.

You are being EVASIVE again. You've NOT described what you DID
over 35 years ago "in a country at war." You've NOT described
ANY radio equipment you (supposedly) USED over 35 years ago "in
a country at war."

Tsk, you are coming across as a clone, a carbon copy of the
infamous "Major Dud" Robeson. Like he did, YOU are evasive on
details but very BIG on lofty, general-purpose emotional
phrases. Do you also hold a "commission" in the Civil Air
Patrol?

I can supply very exact DETAILS of what I did for 3 years of
my active-duty US Army assignment, pictures and text. See it at:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

Was that "amateur radio" operations? No. It was HF transmitter
operations 24/7 in a direct service for the Far East Command
Headquarters and Army Central Command, Japan. The radio
technology and radio wave propagation was the SAME as was then
used for US amateur radio (with the exception of RF power output
levels being higher than allowed for amateurs). "Boatanchor"
radio equipment afficionados in US amateur radio use the SAME
techniques TODAY. Another exception to amaetur practice is that
messaging was done by teleprinter (now called "data") and morse
code mode was NOT used for all those hundreds of thousands of
messages sent per month. Morse mode just wasn't up to the task.

Not only that but the communications involved operation and
maintenance of VHF, UHF, microwave radio relay equipment as well
as frequency-multiplexed "carrier" equipment for both wired and
radio service. In addition we in the US Army Signal Corps also
had to use standard small-unit radio communications equipment
[PRC-8 family manpack FM transceivers, PRC-6 handheld FM
transceivers] when undergoing Provisional Infantry Platoon
training in addition to our regular Signal Corps occupational
tasks. That was in a country NOT at war (Japan) although the
United States of America was IN a war in Korea 55 years ago.

For the USA, the "Vietnam War" ended in 1973. 1973 was 34
years ago. The Korean War is still not settled and remains
in a curious continuous Truce condition today...US troops
are still stationed in Korea along the Demilitarized Zone.
During your Department of State employ help END that Korean
War? That hasn't been in the news.

I can't take any credit for BIG national-level policy things.
I volunteered, did my duties as assigned, performed honorably
and am proud to have done so. I did my part, yet a number of
you Elitists of Amateur Radio continue to scoff and sneer at
what I and others did in REAL Radio Communications...and then
expect to be treated as some kind of "royalty" or "gurus" of
"decades of experience" in (amateur) radio.

I KNOW what I did and can talk about it in detail. There is
very little of that bound by any US National Security
requirements. Yet, a number of Amateur ELITISTS in here have
been Unable to supply any Details of what they did. They are
remarkably Ambiguous in their most-general non-descriptions,
relying only on emotional catch-phrases of "importance" AS IF
that was DUE to them.

Please continue as a Robeson Clone. He seems to be gone and
his continuing snarling and denigrating has left a big hole
in message content of this newsgroup.

00 [no regards], AF6AY

On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

On Apr 12, 3:27�am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?
* *His USAF MOS (Military
* *Occupation Specialty). *Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. *I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". *It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? *"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important. Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it. They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are. All that smoke is bad for them...and not too swift
for us, either.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!
Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!
Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

Yawn.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.
True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.
No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27�am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:
Subject: What Revolution?
� �His USAF MOS (Military
� �Occupation Specialty). �Was it ever mentioned by him?
It can't have been mentioned by me. �I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". �It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.
Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? �"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

That's good advice, Len. :-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

There's no cloud. I've told you straight out: You aren't getting the
information from me.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

I'm not arguing the issue with you, Len. I'm not providing you the
information. It is available elsewhere on the web. Check it out or don't.

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did.

I had one unit in Basic Training. I had another during a two-year U.S.
assignment. I had a third in Vietnam. My fourth unit was a U.S. tour
after Vietnam. I recall them all. I recall where I was. I recall what
I did. What I haven't done is share the information with you. Now what?

I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

I have not elevated myself as doing more than I actually did. I haven't
told you what I did.

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important.

If they are mythical bootstraps, that can't be a very effective technique.

Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

As an alternative, they've seen your insulting behavior toward others
and have decided that they have no need to fuel you.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it.

You never get the big picture, Len. I've seen what I did in the
military. You haven't seen it. *That* is the way I want it.

They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are.

Let's test that theory. I've told you relatively nothing about what I
did in Vietnam. According to you, I'd have to be peddling a different
story about my duties in Vietnam in order to elevate myself. That
didn't happen. I haven't told you anything.

All that smoke is bad for them...

There's been no smoke--and there's been no information.

...and not too swift
for us, either.

You don't appear to be very swift.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!

That's how you work it. You know that I was in the Air Force in
Vietnam. That's all the information you have to work with. Generate
all the "wow's" you like.

Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!

....not in Vietnam, Len. That only took place in West Africa.

Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

That's correct--not at any time in the military. I wrote "low power,
tinker toy radios."

Yawn.

Take a nap if the puzzle has you fatigued.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.

I've already told you that I was in the country where the war was going
on. It wasn't like being in Japan during the Korean War with artillery
barrages and threats from yet-to-be-developed Soviet bombers.

True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.
No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

That's nice, Len. It wasn't much different than Japan for you then. :-)

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

That's fantastic!

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

....and I have no doubt that when someone describes an object as "Mickey
Mouse", you're busy looking for Mr. Disney.

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

That's a relief, Len. I was concerned for your towers and antennas.
What size tower have you installed at the Los Angeles home? Have you
put up a sizable yagi or are you a cubical quad man?

The tower which failed here was made out your way. It didn't meet its
published specs. The winds which rake this exposed hilltop are likely
higher than those encountered in a place like yours, a low spot
surrounded by hills.

I have another tower and yagi ready to be installed later this month. It
won't be a California-made, crank up model. It'll be another Rohn 25
with guys at two levels. My seventy-footer of the same tower has
withstood all storms encountered here, even with a 40m beam and other
antennas mounted on it. If you're worried about high winds, perhaps
Roger Wiseman can recommend a wire multiband antenna with great
performance, even when mounted relatively low to the ground. It might
even be a better antenna for earthquake country.

Dave K8MN

On Apr 12, 2:53 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27?am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?
? ?His USAF MOS (Military
? ?Occupation Specialty). ?Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. ?I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". ?It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? ?"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

I'm still trying to get him to answer what he meant by his *reap*
remark. My meaning was pefectly clear, but he pulled a Robesin, made
a funny about something despicable, now he won't respond.

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Yup.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

Yup.

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

Engaged in seven (7) hostile actions and stolen valor?

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important. Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it. They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are. All that smoke is bad for them...and not too swift
for us, either.

Second-hand smoke is being outlawed everywhere.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!
Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!
Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

Yawn.

I'm so proud of him.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.
True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.

Dominican Republic, Grenada, Somalia, Haiti, Panama...

No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

What? About two years after Churchill begged them? I'm so proud.

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly).

NASA engineers came to us... remote sensing.

Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

I'd love to watch a shuttle launch.

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form.

There are some kid electronics kits that are "LEGO" like. Expensive,
but modular. Looks cool.

Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

Dejavu all over again!

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

73, Len AF6AY

Welp, Dave won't talk about his directional loops anymore... must have
come down with his tower.

On Apr 12, 1:59�pm, wrote:
On Apr 12, 2:53 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27?am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

I'm still trying to get him to answer what he meant by his *reap*
remark. *My meaning was pefectly clear, but he pulled a Robesin, made
a funny about something despicable, now he won't respond.

Typical. :-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. *He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Yup.

So far he's holding true to form. :-)

He "knows where he was" but won't say where or what he
was doing there. WE are "supposed" to take "His Word"
for it without yielding anything (WE don't have to be
supplied with detailed answers?).

Any way one slices that it is olde-tyme "snake oil
salesman" BS.


Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

Yup.

He's still true to form in that department. :-)


I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. *I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

Engaged in seven (7) hostile actions and stolen valor?

A Robeson clone in action! :-)

Second-hand smoke is being outlawed everywhere.

His is old, worn-out obsolete smoke. koff koff

I'd love to watch a shuttle launch.

So would I! One SSME on a test stand is impressive
enough...three plus the SRBs lighting off would be no
less than spectacular!


Welp, Dave won't talk about his directional loops anymore... must have
come down with his tower

Most regretable for him...snif, snif...

73, Len AF6AY

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On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Nah! Ya don't spose' he was a "drafted" Lt. Colonel like Morkie?