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"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From Larry, K3LT I regret to inform you that "Restructuring" the US Amateur Radio Service's licensing system, to reduce the code testing speed to 5 WPM for General and Extra class, in addition to the existing No-Code Technician-class license, has resulted in a whopping 1.79 percent growth rate in the ARS overall! What do you suppose we're gonna get from No-Code HF? Maybe 2 percent? The base of EEs can be expanded. You can get more EE from the rf specialty. Not all EEs have an interest in that specialty. But, from those that do, amateur radio could be a good hobby. Amateur radio is not an EE friendly hobby. Those that like to build circuits are not welcomed as those that want to learn Morse code, contest, or work DX. EEs that are put off by Hams don't join the hobby. You keep putting out this misinformation. I know of no one who has not been welcomed into ham radio. Everyone is welcom. As far as building circuits, again everyone is welcome. When someone in our club mentions that they are building something, others ask about the progress of the project and help if needed. As, I have noted before, the quality of rf courses could be improved with ARRL publications. The projects have real, rather than just textbook applications. This is not being currently done in most colleges. Secondly, EEs are not joining amateur radio clubs. Some Profs that teach rf courses that I took do not have amateur radio licenses. People in the rf field are not attending club meetings. It is not the business of a university or college to promote ham radio. The university will have no higher percentage of hams than the general population. Unless one is or wants to become a ham, there is no need for someone to attend ham club meetings. There is no requirement that EE professors be hams or need for them to be so. The ARRL should make more efforts in this area. This would increase the number of people in the hobby. Also, there is a strong connection between EE and amateur radio that is not being realized. As with any organization, the ARRL has limited resources. They must pick and choose where to apply those resources. Recruiting new hams is something that can be done easily and cheaply by individual hams via word of mouth if they choose. It would be much more costly for the ARRL to try to do that recruiting as they would need to purchase advertising on TV, radio, and in the magazines and send recruiters out on lecture circuits to schools of all levels. They just can't do it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
In article , Dwight Stewart
writes: If those with your views continue to deride modern Ham Radio, perhaps even less then 2 percent. Those changes are part of Ham Radio today. If you belittle those changes, you belittle today's Ham Radio. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) Dwight: Belittling ham radio? Moi??? Hmmm, you may have a point there. Now that ham radio licensing requirements in the U.S. have been reduced to insignificance, and are about to be made a whole lot less significant when code testing is abolished, I guess one could make the point that there is a lot "belittleable" about ham radio these days! We are about to start the first "generation" of hams who have never been bothered to learn the Morse code, and will never know the benefits and advantages of the Morse/CW mode from personal operational experience. Now THERE's a perfect example of something that would inspire one to "belittle" ham radio, indeed! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"WA3IYC" wrote:
That 52,990 "increase" is not all new license issues. (snip) (snip) How "code proficient" any amateur is cannot be determined from license class alone. Of course, Jim. I clearly stated my numbers were a "rough estimate." The important point is that the number of US hams is growing at a slow rate. Restructuring did not result in a big change in growth. (snip) True. However, to make something out of that, one has to eliminate all factors outside restructuring. In my last message, I hinted at factors such as the attitude of current operators towards those new to ham radio. Today's new operator faces more ridicule and harassment than perhaps any new operator in the history of this activity. And lets face it, that new operator is not likely going to invite friends or family members to join after an negative exchange with Larry in this newsgroup (or someone like him here or elsewhere). Clearly, the attitude of current operators has a role to play in the lackluster growth of ham radio today, perhaps even far more than restructuring at this point. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:
Belittling ham radio? Moi??? Hmmm, you may have a point there. Now that ham radio licensing requirements in the U.S. have been reduced to insignificance, and are about to be made a whole lot less significant when code testing is abolished, I guess one could make the point that there is a lot "belittleable" about ham radio these days! We are about to start the first "generation" of hams who have never been bothered to learn the Morse code, and will never know the benefits and advantages of the Morse/CW mode from personal operational experience. Now THERE's a perfect example of something that would inspire one to "belittle" ham radio, indeed! Well, if you don't like ham radio today, perhaps you should find another hobby. Only a masochist would continue doing something that makes him or her miserable. Ham radio is moving in a direction opposite from what you seem to want and is not likely to move in the direction you want anytime soon. When that happens, you either learn to live with it, walk away, or continue to be miserable. If you choose the later, it is rather sleazy of you to take your misery out on the new members of this activity. They didn't ask for your negative garbage (none of us did), and this activity certainly would be far better off without it. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
Wrong..... All the arrl needs to do is create the PSA's and distribute them
to the various radio and/or television stations. Commercial radio and television stations are REQUIRED to air a certain amount of PSA announcements per day and being a non-profit, allegedly service-based organization, that would definitely fit the bill. The only cost involved is the creation of the tapes, and the distribution thereof. As with any organization, the ARRL has limited resources. They must pick and choose where to apply those resources. Recruiting new hams is something that can be done easily and cheaply by individual hams via word of mouth if they choose. Aparently that has not worked like it should...... If the word of mouth thing really worked, we have better numbers to have N2EY to post each month! After all, how many times can we hit up our friends and relatives?? It would be much more costly for the ARRL to try to do that recruiting as they would need to purchase advertising on TV, radio, and in the magazines and send recruiters out on lecture circuits to schools of all levels. They just can't do it. As far as sending out "recruiters," where the hell is this all-fired important field organization?? Apparently there is a decent enough amount of people that could direct people/groups to work on presentations! I worked out a wonderful Powerpoint presentation to take to the schools and tried and tried to get at least ONE person to assist me in going to the 30-40 schools just in my county alone! Not one person would help. I don't have a ton of stuff along the lines of equipment to "impress upon" some of these students so I wanted to enlist the help of others. My goal was to attract ONE person from each school (not a huge effort) each year with this plan. What really boiled my ass in all of this, was that to get information regarding the ARRL (their brochures) was going to cost me a bunch of cash. What the hell do these people pay dues for? Apparently the ARRL does not have to justify where the money goes, although they allege to spend it in the defense of amateur radio. I have asked in the past (as a possible condition of choosing to be a member or not) as to where in DC the money goes, and so far, still have not heard anything. Still have yet to see proof that the ARRL is nothing more than an expensive subscription to a magazine. (I do however think QST is a decent magazine, not the best, but pretty good.) -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... |
Probably a little growth initially, but it will flatten back out to where it
is now is my guess Jim. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... there would instead be a 7.85 percent decrease in overall numbers. Of course, that's a rough estimate - as rough as the numbers used in your argument. The important point is that the number of US hams is growing at a slow rate. Restructuring did not result in a big change in growth. If Element 1 is dropped, it will be interesting to see if there is any significant increase in growth. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
In addition to my other response to this particular message is, "A good
defense is a good offense." This can be read into as if something is promoted more in a positive light, to educate the public, then less effort is needed to defend it. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "Vshah101" wrote in message ... From Larry, K3LT I regret to inform you that "Restructuring" the US Amateur Radio Service's licensing system, to reduce the code testing speed to 5 WPM for General and Extra class, in addition to the existing No-Code Technician-class license, has resulted in a whopping 1.79 percent growth rate in the ARS overall! What do you suppose we're gonna get from No-Code HF? Maybe 2 percent? The base of EEs can be expanded. You can get more EE from the rf specialty. Not all EEs have an interest in that specialty. But, from those that do, amateur radio could be a good hobby. Amateur radio is not an EE friendly hobby. Those that like to build circuits are not welcomed as those that want to learn Morse code, contest, or work DX. EEs that are put off by Hams don't join the hobby. You keep putting out this misinformation. I know of no one who has not been welcomed into ham radio. Everyone is welcom. As far as building circuits, again everyone is welcome. When someone in our club mentions that they are building something, others ask about the progress of the project and help if needed. As, I have noted before, the quality of rf courses could be improved with ARRL publications. The projects have real, rather than just textbook applications. This is not being currently done in most colleges. Secondly, EEs are not joining amateur radio clubs. Some Profs that teach rf courses that I took do not have amateur radio licenses. People in the rf field are not attending club meetings. It is not the business of a university or college to promote ham radio. The university will have no higher percentage of hams than the general population. Unless one is or wants to become a ham, there is no need for someone to attend ham club meetings. There is no requirement that EE professors be hams or need for them to be so. The ARRL should make more efforts in this area. This would increase the number of people in the hobby. Also, there is a strong connection between EE and amateur radio that is not being realized. As with any organization, the ARRL has limited resources. They must pick and choose where to apply those resources. Recruiting new hams is something that can be done easily and cheaply by individual hams via word of mouth if they choose. It would be much more costly for the ARRL to try to do that recruiting as they would need to purchase advertising on TV, radio, and in the magazines and send recruiters out on lecture circuits to schools of all levels. They just can't do it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
(Vshah101) wrote in message ...
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) Some Profs that teach rf courses that I took do not have amateur radio licenses. Most people who do "x" for a living generally do not do it for a past time either, Vippy. So what? Some EE got interested from building kits as a hobby and then decided to get an EE degree. Most EEs like to build circuits for fun. They enjoy that. And they are certainly welcome to do exactly that, with or without an Amatuer Radio license. Many Profs or working EEs belong to the IEEE section of their field. For example If they are in the rf field, they would be a member of the microwave techniques society. Those "societies" are professional organization, Vippy. Hardly relevent to the Amateur Radio service. In other words, you would be a part of the organizations and associations related to your field. If you are a professor or a person working in the rf field, it seems logical and likely you would get an amateur radio license. Which STILL does not, in any way, shape of form, make any sense of your assertion that EE's are "turned away" from Amatuer Radio. I know of at least 15 people who are EE's (two holding doctorates) who are Amateurs. I know a few Profs that teach rf courses. An antenna theory Prof has also worked in industry doing rf antenna work. This Prof does NOT have an amateur radio license. Also, another Prof that teaches microwave circuits do not have an amateur radio license. And your "Prof" is not in this forum or insisting that he be granted an Amateur license based solely upon his status as an instructor, either... You STILL have not answered the question, Vippy...SO WHAT...?!?!? That points to the lack of relavance of amateur radio to people in the rf specialization. No more than my lack of membership in the NRA "proves" that I am not interested in firearms. I can still hit a target in the black from 800 meters and am not a member of the NRA..So what? The ARRL should make more efforts in this area. This would increase the number of people in the hobby. Also, there is a strong connection between EE and amateur radio that is not being realized. How? Hit them over the head with a mallet then drag them off to the shack? One idea is to expand the ARRL courses available now (such as antenna modelling). More publicity on these courses as useful to industry would help as well. It would show that people that took these courses have certain skills that could be useful in industry. These courses aer well distributed and made available to anyone who cares to use them. They are, however, written for NON-TECHNICALLY educated folks who want to LEARN the basics...NOT for professional engineers. Sleep. Please do. Maybe you'll wake up a bit more alert and responsible when you do. Steve, K4YZ |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:
(snip) The newcomer "hams" will, from now on, have to deal with the fact that they are here on a pass. I'm not suggesting that they be deliberately treated with antagonism; however they will have to be VERY careful not to make any implications of total equality with their Pre-Restructuring superiors. The only "equality" they possess is that granted by a government agency that could simply care less, as opposed to that granted by their superior "peers" in the ARS itself. The newcomers are here on a pass, and will have a lot to prove in order to be granted acceptance. To date, they have not even scratched the surface. Larry, you're one of the most pampas, bigoted, individuals I've ever talked to. I've honestly met Klux Klux Klan members with less bigoted views. How do you live with yourself? How can you post what you write and still have any self-respect afterward? Let me make something very clear - you don't have the right, or moral high ground, to assign or not assign equality to others. You're a two-bit punk trying to make yourself feel important by pointing to your petty code skill. In this world today, that skill is so trivial as to be almost laughable (and you know that is true). For you to hold it up like a badge of honor is laughable. I'm one of those newcomers you keep talking about - a newcomer damn tired of your hateful comments towards those like me in this newsgroup. If you want to play this game, then you, Larry, are my inferior, as a human being and as a ham operator. In fact, you're inferior to just about anyone with more civilized views, which probably includes just about everyone else. You keep yelling about how superior you are. Each time you do, you instead show how inferior you are, as a person and as a member of this ham radio community. If I were not aware of how harmful bigoted people who practice discrimination can be in a community, I would almost pity your desperate need to feel important. As it is, I'm simply ashamed to be associated with you, even if that association is nothing more than a mutual interest. And that is all I have to say to you, Larry. If you want to talk further, do so with someone who is interested in what you have to say. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
Larry, you're one of the most pampas, bigoted, individuals I've ever
talked to. I've honestly met Klux Klux Klan members with less bigoted views. How do you live with yourself? How can you post what you write and still have any self-respect afterward? Let me make something very clear - you don't have the right, or moral high ground, to assign or not assign equality to others. You're a two-bit punk trying to make yourself feel important by pointing to your petty code skill. In this world today, that skill is so trivial as to be almost laughable (and you know that is true). For you to hold it up like a badge of honor is laughable. I'm one of those newcomers you keep talking about - a newcomer damn tired of your hateful comments towards those like me in this newsgroup. If you want to play this game, then you, Larry, are my inferior, as a human being and as a ham operator. In fact, you're inferior to just about anyone with more civilized views, which probably includes just about everyone else. You keep yelling about how superior you are. Each time you do, you instead show how inferior you are, as a person and as a member of this ham radio community. If I were not aware of how harmful bigoted people who practice discrimination can be in a community, I would almost pity your desperate need to feel important. As it is, I'm simply ashamed to be associated with you, even if that association is nothing more than a mutual interest. And that is all I have to say to you, Larry. If you want to talk further, do so with someone who is interested in what you have to say. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) Cry Whinner CRY. All you CBplussers have left, is your useless attempts to try and Justify your Welfare Status as Hams. All we want to be is an Equal to you real Hams, seems to be all you guys can come up with. Guess what Dwight, it will never happen.You guys have got what you wanted a Dumb Down Service with no effort required. So stop your Damn Whinning and get to the back of the Bus where you belong. |
Dwight Stewart wrote:
Larry, you're one of the most pampas... Was Larry ever a gaucho in Argentina? Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: Dwight Stewart wrote: Larry, you're one of the most pampas... Was Larry ever a gaucho in Argentina? Anyone here remember Gaucho cookies? - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Dwight Stewart wrote: Larry, you're one of the most pampas... Was Larry ever a gaucho in Argentina? Dave K8MN Dave: Si! 73 de Larry, LU3LT Disclaimer: "LU3LT" is not my real callsign. In fact, it isn't anyone's real callsign! |
In article , Dwight Stewart
writes: Larry, you're one of the most pampas, bigoted, individuals I've ever talked to. I've honestly met Klux Klux Klan members with less bigoted views. How do you live with yourself? How can you post what you write and still have any self-respect afterward? Let me make something very clear - you don't have the right, or moral high ground, to assign or not assign equality to others. You're a two-bit punk trying to make yourself feel important by pointing to your petty code skill. In this world today, that skill is so trivial as to be almost laughable (and you know that is true). For you to hold it up like a badge of honor is laughable. I'm one of those newcomers you keep talking about - a newcomer damn tired of your hateful comments towards those like me in this newsgroup. If you want to play this game, then you, Larry, are my inferior, as a human being and as a ham operator. In fact, you're inferior to just about anyone with more civilized views, which probably includes just about everyone else. You keep yelling about how superior you are. Each time you do, you instead show how inferior you are, as a person and as a member of this ham radio community. If I were not aware of how harmful bigoted people who practice discrimination can be in a community, I would almost pity your desperate need to feel important. As it is, I'm simply ashamed to be associated with you, even if that association is nothing more than a mutual interest. And that is all I have to say to you, Larry. If you want to talk further, do so with someone who is interested in what you have to say. Awww, c'mon, Dwight -- what do you really think??? Unfortunately, Bruce stole my thunder as far as a reply to the above is concerned, so all I have to say is, enjoy the ride in the back of the bus with the rest of your dumbed-down Welfare-class ham radio underlings. And, do feel free to open the Emergency Exit door and bail out whenever you please! Anyway, it's nice to know that when I yank a chain, it STAYS yanked! Keep stewing, Dwight! 73 de Larry, K3LT Dwight's Intellectual and Moral Superior (which doesn't take much effort on my part!) |
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Larry Roll K3LT wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Dwight Stewart wrote: Larry, you're one of the most pampas... Was Larry ever a gaucho in Argentina? Dave K8MN Dave: Si! 73 de Larry, LU3LT Disclaimer: "LU3LT" is not my real callsign. In fact, it isn't anyone's real callsign! Larry, You're just going to have to be less pampas. Dave K8MN |
Y'know, Dwight, it's kinda surreal to read somebody lambasting others
about "effort" who won't even turn on the spellchecker, let alone look at grammar, punctuation and capitalization..... Hell no I wont turn it on. |
(DickCarroll) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com... (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... (Vshah101) wrote in message ... Secondly, EEs are not joining amateur radio clubs. Some Profs that teach rf courses that I took do not have amateur radio licenses. People in the rf field are not attending club meetings. Most people who do "x" for a living generally do not do it for a past time either, Vippy. So what? From just the small sample called RRAP, Exhibit 1: David Heil. Claims to have been a Dept. of State Radioman. Exhibit 2: Parson Jim. Claims to be an EE. Exhibit 3: Barrister Phil. Claims to be an Radio attorney. Exhibit 4: Labman Ed. Claims to be ARRL Lab Manager. Exhibit 5: 1000' tall Alien Ed. Claims to be an EE. Exhibit 6: Machine Gun Kelly. Claims to be some kind of an Engineer, mainly in rubberband technologies. But, as Heil, Jim, Kelly, and you continually point out, doing it for a living, i.e., professionally, has absolutely nothing to do with doing it amateurishly, i.e., without compensation. Well, that's a few percent of all posters to rrap. DICK, you're just miffed that I left you and gudbuddy Bruce off. Exhibit 7: DICK, former SWR adjuster at the Sheriff's office. Exhibit 8: Bruce, professional electronics repairman. Specialized in getting p-nut butter sandwiches and vanilla wafers out of the kids VCR. Evidently you thught you had a point but discovered you were still wearing it as headgear. I've never worn a thught as headgear. Are they comfortable in long contests? Can you get one with a boom mic? |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
... In article , Dwight Stewart writes: If those with your views continue to deride modern Ham Radio, perhaps even less then 2 percent. Those changes are part of Ham Radio today. If you belittle those changes, you belittle today's Ham Radio. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) Dwight: Belittling ham radio? Moi??? Hmmm, you may have a point there. Now that ham radio licensing requirements in the U.S. have been reduced to insignificance, and are about to be made a whole lot less significant when code testing is abolished, I guess one could make the point that there is a lot "belittleable" about ham radio these days! We are about to start the first "generation" of hams who have never been bothered to learn the Morse code, and will never know the benefits and advantages of the Morse/CW mode from personal operational experience. Now THERE's a perfect example of something that would inspire one to "belittle" ham radio, indeed! 73 de Larry, K3LT I wonder if you realize how incessant your whining is... Kim W5TIT |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Disclaimer: "LU3LT" is not my real callsign. In fact, it isn't anyone's real callsign! Larry, You're just going to have to be less pampas. Dave K8MN Dave: Perhaps Dwight knew what he was talking about. Pampas grass is pretty nasty stuff, and perhaps, he was insinuating the same about me. How charming. http://www.nps.gov/redw/pampas.htm 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: I wonder if you realize how incessant your whining is... Kim W5TIT As usual, Kim, you stole the words right out from under my fingertips! What I'd like to know is, when are you going to even make an attempt to come up with an original thought? 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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"WA8ULX" wrote:
Cry Whinner CRY. All you CBplussers have left, is your useless attempts to try and Justify your Welfare Status as Hams. All we want to be is an Equal to you real Hams, seems to be all you guys can come up with. Guess what Dwight, it will never happen.You guys have got what you wanted a Dumb Down Service with no effort required. So stop your Damn Whinning and get to the back of the Bus where you belong. If you and Larry are examples of what a real ham is, then I have no problem with being considered something else. And, observing your rudeness and demonstrated ignorance, I have no desire to be your equal. Finally, I don't ride on a bus - there are too many like Larry driving them and too many like you riding as passengers. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote: Belittling ham radio? Moi??? Hmmm, you may have a point there. Now that ham radio licensing requirements in the U.S. have been reduced to insignificance, (snip) I wonder if you realize how incessant your whining is... At this point, I don't think Larry can think of anything else, Kim. I've been reading his negative garbage for four or five years now. The same subjects (code, licensing requirements, and newer hams) are almost always the focus of his messages and those messages are almost always filled with delusions about his own self-importance and insults towards others. I don't know if Larry thinks he's being funny or if he really believes the hatred he spews. Whatever the case, I'm getting real darn tired of it. If he continues with ridicule that includes me as a target, I'm not going to continue to sit back and say nothing. If the majority of respondents in this newsgroup side with him, making him the de facto spokesperson for ham radio and the higher license classes, then perhaps this isn't an activity I wish to continue participating in. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
.. . "Kim W5TIT" wrote: "Larry Roll K3LT" wrote: Belittling ham radio? Moi??? Hmmm, you may have a point there. Now that ham radio licensing requirements in the U.S. have been reduced to insignificance, (snip) I wonder if you realize how incessant your whining is... At this point, I don't think Larry can think of anything else, Kim. I've been reading his negative garbage for four or five years now. The same subjects (code, licensing requirements, and newer hams) are almost always the focus of his messages and those messages are almost always filled with delusions about his own self-importance and insults towards others. I don't know if Larry thinks he's being funny or if he really believes the hatred he spews. Whatever the case, I'm getting real darn tired of it. If he continues with ridicule that includes me as a target, I'm not going to continue to sit back and say nothing. If the majority of respondents in this newsgroup side with him, making him the de facto spokesperson for ham radio and the higher license classes, then perhaps this isn't an activity I wish to continue participating in. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Oh goodness, Dwight! That's a lot said right there. BUT, it's *in spite of* the likes of Larry that I like being in the hobby/service of ham radio. And, believe me, Larry really believes what he is saying. He's a desperate, lonely, little man--and his delusions are all he's got. Oh, and by the way. Look real close at who is actually communicating with him on an intellectual level. Nada. Zip. There are people in this newsgroup who get communicated with, and there are people in this newsgroup who get communicated to. Larry is in the latter. For all the times I've ****ed people off, across the board, there are still times when threads have been maintained for a good length of time that involved intellectual debate. Same for you. Same for any of us "antagonizers" as we are affectionately called. But, not for Larry, not for a couple of others. Larry isn't "spewing" anything that sticks; his kind of logic and reasoning are quite in the minority in ham radio. Kim W5TIT |
Dwight Stewart wrote in message ...
"WA3IYC" wrote: That 52,990 "increase" is not all new license issues. (snip) (snip) How "code proficient" any amateur is cannot be determined from license class alone. Of course, Jim. I clearly stated my numbers were a "rough estimate." What I was getting at is that a test is just one data point. There are hams who passed 20 per once-upon-a-time who would be hard pressed to pass Element 1 today. And there are hams whose testing never exceeded 5 wpm who have gone far beyond 20 wpm. Etc. And the same thing applies to the writtens. They're all just one data point, often decades old. The important point is that the number of US hams is growing at a slow rate. Restructuring did not result in a big change in growth. (snip) True. However, to make something out of that, one has to eliminate all factors outside restructuring. Agreed! There are all sorts of factors - cost of equipment, antenna restrictions, RFI concerns, even competing radio services. Not too many years ago, it was common to encounter hams who had gotten licenses for the express purpose of "honeydew" communications. Today almost all of them have cellphones. In my last message, I hinted at factors such as the attitude of current operators towards those new to ham radio. I hope you mean "the attitude of *some* current operators...." Today's new operator faces more ridicule and harassment than perhaps any new operator in the history of this activity. I don't know about that. Around here, and everywhere else I've lived since becoming a ham 36 years ago, newcomers of all ages, sizes, genders, ethnicities, etc., are welcomed and encouraged, as a general rule. Yes, there are a few sourpusses with negative addytoods. They've been around forever. I can recall comments that Novices were "not real hams" and that my homebrew CW rigs were "not real radios", etc., etc., ad infinitum. Ol' W2OY was well known for his misanthropic "no kids, no lids, no space cadets" tirades. Oddly enough, most of those folks are not hams anymore, but I am. bwaahaahaa.... If you look for and listen to the naysayers and sourpusses, it just encourages them. And lets face it, that new operator is not likely going to invite friends or family members to join after an negative exchange with Larry in this newsgroup (or someone like him here or elsewhere). Sure. But are folks like that the rule or the exception? Clearly, the attitude of current operators has a role to play in the lackluster growth of ham radio today, perhaps even far more than restructuring at this point. True - but consider also the attitudes expressed by a very few newcomers towards experienced amateurs. Should we welcome a newcomer who says all hams are fat and that no EE with self-respect would use Morse code? How about one who insults others' employment, technical knowledge, education, ethnicity, appearance, age, and name? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
In article , Dwight Stewart
writes: I don't know if Larry thinks he's being funny or if he really believes the hatred he spews. Whatever the case, I'm getting real darn tired of it. If he continues with ridicule that includes me as a target, I'm not going to continue to sit back and say nothing. Dwight: By all means, feel free to say something about it. We're waiting... If the majority of respondents in this newsgroup side with him, making him the de facto spokesperson for ham radio and the higher license classes, then perhaps this isn't an activity I wish to continue participating in. Hey, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In the end, the only clear way to completely get away from
his nonsense is to leave this newsgroup (an occasional break from this newsgroup is probably not a bad idea anyway). Good, your leaving, might I suggest you go back to cb.rec. At least there you will be able to talk to your kind of people. |
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(DickCarroll) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com... (DickCarroll) wrote in message . com... Those pointy caps need no further introduction nor accessories. Apparently, they do. You might want to have QST feature them in an article and explain how they are different from ceramic and electrolytic caps. I'll just suggest you as a reference. Sorry, but I'm not an Extra. |
"WA8ULX" wrote:
Good, your leaving, might I suggest you go back to cb.rec. At least there you will be able to talk to your kind of people. My kind of people? Do you mean people like yourself? I see you've posted a few messages in the CB newsgroup (well over 100 according to Google). Most of my messages there were cross-posted to rec.radio.cb from messages posted elsewhere, but most of yours were posted directly in that newsgroup. In fact, the first message I ever saw from you was in that newsgroup. If I remember correctly, you were talking about the big tube-type linear amp you were using with the 10 meter radio you had modified to use on the frequencies in and above the CB band. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I certainly don't think so. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
My kind of people?
Yes your kind of people If I remember correctly, you were talking about the big tube-type linear amp you were using with the 10 meter radio you had modified to use on the frequencies in and above the CB band. Pure BS and you know it |
Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
PS, get to the back of the Bus where you and your kind belong. |
"WA3IYC" wrote:
A problem only if you take them seriously. I used to not take them seriously. However, after I start hearing what is written here repeated outside this newsgroup, it is perhaps time to start taking the stuff written here more seriously. A lot of people, far more than perhaps some imagine, read this newsgroup. Absent an alternative viewpoint, they have no reason not to believe what they read here, and repeat it elsewhere. Enough of this and the entire image of this radio service is dragged down - which is exactly what I think is going on now. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
.. . "WA3IYC" wrote: A problem only if you take them seriously. I used to not take them seriously. However, after I start hearing what is written here repeated outside this newsgroup, it is perhaps time to start taking the stuff written here more seriously. A lot of people, far more than perhaps some imagine, read this newsgroup. Absent an alternative viewpoint, they have no reason not to believe what they read here, and repeat it elsewhere. Enough of this and the entire image of this radio service is dragged down - which is exactly what I think is going on now. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ You're right, Dwight. If Riley Hollingsworth's words that he spoke to many groups, many times are correct, then ham radio is dead--or is dying a slow death. I know and have heard the very conversations you speak of. When I first heard talk like that on the air when I got my ticket, I was shocked because I didn't think it was allowed. There's a repeater here in Dallas. During the last Presidential campaign and election, the hate spewed on that repeater was horrifying--and that is not an overreaction. I heard things like that Democrats were the equivalent of people who "let" things like Hitler happen and, believe me, that is mild. That is why Larry remarks about my callsign--or anyone else's for that matter--are such a damned joke. My callsign has nothing to do with the destruction of the ARS. It is people like Larry and his attitudes that are destroying the ARS. In Larry's mind, it's probably my fault because he has to be so hateful toward me because of my callsign :) Kim W5TIT |
Enough of this and the entire image of this radio service is
dragged down - which is exactly what I think is going on now. Dwight Stewart (W5NET Damn its working. |
"WA8ULX" wrote:
Damn its working. Bruce, I realize your agenda is to drive Ham Radio right into the ground. Why you would want to do so is beyond me. Perhaps your messages in the CB newsgroup offer a hint - you're really a CB'er with some type of grudge against Ham Radio operators. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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