In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)



Maybe we should pull a Cecil, switch horses, and be part of the
in-crowd.

I have more than a hundred horses. All out in the garage. :-)

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

I wonder if Steve will still focus on male genitalia, homosexuality,
and pedophilia?

Nursie will use anything he can think of to insult anyone having
opinions opposite to his...or trying to deny he ever said anything
wrong. :-)

I certainly hope that that kind of thinking is his independent
thoughts and not a trait shared by all PCTA.

Not those exact thoughts but, observe in here...a "renowned"
amateur historian took to using a phony screenname and has
"conversations" with another phony screenname, talking of
little but nastygrams of certain others in here.

Der uber-oberst does very little in content in here except to
attempt denigration of you and I. One would think that, after
a whole heaping 41 years as an amateur, he might have
something constructive to offer on amateur radio policy...other
than holding the quo as status as he can.

The Coslonaut is busy working both sides of every aisle, but
not saying very much in any post. Spends time in the penalty
box for trying to stick others.

The newsgroup has all the PCTA in deep ennui, busy trying to
fill dead air with old morsemanship slogans, then realizing those
are so dead that it would be just necro-equine flaggelation.

A few newbie newsgroupies have shown up, see the PCTA
extra regulars frothing worse than a latte machine, and leave for
(hopefully) a better venue. Sigh.

This newsgroup isn't about radio. Or policy.

It's about domination. By the PCTA extras.

shrug

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

"Jimmie"?

If you ever have a future in amateur radio, it will be a short
one.
You've talked and talked and talked the talk. You've not yet
begun to
walk the walk.

Dave K8MN

Hey Dave, what is Quitefine's role in amateur radio?

I have no idea. Why not ask him?

But Dave, we've got you running around here commenting on people's
roles in amateur radio. And we've got Quitefine trying so hard to
establish herself as having a role in amateur radio.

You don't have me doing anything.

I may not "have" you doing it, but you're doing it none-the-less.
Feel better?

As long as you realize that your "we have you running around" statement
is in error.

As long as you realize that you're running around commenting on
people's roles in amateur radio.

I'm not running at all. I'm sitting
in a comfy chair. As to commenting on peoples' roles in amateur radio,
they first have to be radio amateurs in order to have a role.

Tell me about Quitefine. Is she an amateur?

I haven't the slightest idea.

No? You appear to have ideas about quite a number of things, yet you
draw a blank on this one. I just don't believe that.

Der uber-oberst fills in blanks with pencil smudges...

I'm not Quitefine.

Are you Quitesure?

Ah, just what everyojne doesn't need, another idiot with a phony
name. :-)

You need to address your question to Quitefine.

Clue: I get to decide what I need to do.

Brian, you do NOT get to decide anything with der uber-oberst's
blessing and authoritative approval.

That factum is at the top of der uber-oberst's Orders of das Day.

(Please refer to Jimmy Who's Point Paper that was faxed out late
Sunday)

Len doesn't have a role in amateur radio. Whether Leonard H. Anderson
posts
here or doesn't post here, amateur radio goes on. Morse code goes on.
Chasing DX goes on.

Does it go on with or without Quitefine?

It certainly does.

Yet you choose to make daily statements to Len that it goes on without
him, but are (almost) silent when it comes to Quitefine. Perhaps
Quitefine has made contributions to Ham Radio magazine. Perhaps you
have, too.

"Quitefine" (James p. Miccolis) didn't praise the "foreign service"
veteran's illustrious service in Guinea-Bisseau...surprising that
der uber-oberst didn't blow the straps of his jack boots at that
slight. :-)

So what is Quitefine's role? Unless you're just here to give her a
pass.

I'm not Quitefine.

I'm not Quitesure.

Are you Quitesure?

Yes.

Great! Another alias. At least you admit to it.

An ILLEGAL alias "who has NOTHING to do with ham radio!" :-)

You have a bad habit of directing your questions to
the wrong people.

Actually, no.

Actually, yes you do.

Why are you the wrong person?

Der uber-oberst IS the "right" person!

Everyone else makes errors. Der uber-oberst never does.

You seem to have so many opinions about so many things, but draw a
blank on this one. Hi, hi.

You even hold the opinion, stated above, that amateur radio, morse
code, and chasing dx go on without Quitefine.

Yet you haven't the "slightest idea" whether Quitefine is an amateur
or not.

Doesn't matter. If der uber-oberst approves, that is that!

You have the bad habit of enabling anonymous people to
behave badly, while crying foul with respect to some people who do
identify themselves.

What are you, Susan Sarandon? Barbra Streisand?

No. I am bb.

I'm not buying your "enabling" scenario. I'm responsible for my
actions.

You certainly are. You are responsible for your own "Good Amateur
Practice."

Der uber-oberst IS amateur good practice!

You are responsible for your actions.

I certainly am. I have always been responsible for my actions.

NOT without der uber-oberst's authoritative approval!

You need to ask Quitefine. You may or may not get an
answer.

I asked you.

That was a poor decision on your part. You keep making the same mistake
of seeking information from the wrong source.

I've made mistakes before, probably will again. How about you?

Der uber-oberst NEVER makes mistakes!

He is a PCTA extra.

That explains it all...

I won't get an answer because you have a history of
enabling bad behavior. working out of band French ops on 6M.

You won't get an answer because I'm not the person posting as
"Quitefine".

I never thought that you were the person posting as Quitefine.

He isn't Quite that Good. :-)

French authorities are responsible for what French radio amateurs do.

French -radio amateurs- are responsible for what they do, not the
French communications authorities. And you are responsible for what
you do.

Der uber-oberst is responsible for ALL U.S. amateur radio!

[he sure acts like it...]

You can choose to use "Good Amateur Practice" or not. Although Riley
says that "Good Amateur Practice" is enforceable, you were lucky that
you were operating under a Tanzanian permit and not subject to U.S.
enforcement.

"Foreign Service" employees are not subject to U.S. enforcement.

They've been diplomatically immunized. :-)


That's been pointed out to you any number of times.

Many things have been pointed out to me any number of times. They are
often wrong.

It doesn't say much
for your intelligence that you've been unable to grasp this basic
concept.

To think that French communication authorities are responsible for out
of band French amateurs and you carrying on on six meters is absurd.

Did they send you a nice QSL card?

Probably did...in a diplomatic pouch. :-)

"Sorry Hans, Working French Hams Out-Of-Band IS JUST LIKE
Working French Hams In-Band!"

Hans? He isn't involved. He's already advised you that he thinks
you're all wet on this one too, "Bill".

Dave K8MN

Not a problem. As I pointed out above, many things have been pointed
out to me any number of times. They are often wrong.

So, do you also have an opinion of Blackguard Vox Deus?

Der uber-oberst will insist that BVD be contacted direct.

Der uber-oberst heartily approves of anyone - even phonies - taking
down "Enemies of the State" (in his perception).

Meanwhile, www.hamdata.com figures don't agree with "Quitefine"
er, Rev. Jim's postings.

Hamdata numbers LIE. Only PCTA extras always speak truth!

1984 anyone? :-)

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)



Maybe we should pull a Cecil, switch horses, and be part of the
in-crowd.

I have more than a hundred horses. All out in the garage. :-)

Sounds like a human health hazard. "Dialing...." Hi, hi!

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.

Cecil moved some time after the "rrapnet."

He also moved physically...to take care of his elderly parents.

In the light of reality, the foolishness of a few morsemen fantasizers
in here looks silly. Can't blame Cecil for exiting.

I wonder if Steve will still focus on male genitalia, homosexuality,
and pedophilia?

Nursie will use anything he can think of to insult anyone having
opinions opposite to his...or trying to deny he ever said anything
wrong. :-)

To quote Shorty on Indy Jones II, "He's not nuts, he's cwazy!"

The Indy pictures were escapist entertainment.

Nursie is just escapist.

I certainly hope that that kind of thinking is his independent
thoughts and not a trait shared by all PCTA.

Not those exact thoughts but, observe in here...a "renowned"
amateur historian took to using a phony screenname and has
"conversations" with another phony screenname, talking of
little but nastygrams of certain others in here.

I wonder if they rehearse before they get on-line? Hi, hi!

Don't laugh too much. I observed one individual on the former
Talk Channel BBS who had a "girlfriend" personna. So much so
that he even paid for her subscription! Sysop Gary made him
leave once that was discovered, refunded his remaining
subscription money.

Local BBS sysops were warned of several such nutsos in a
self-regulating system. Not a great percentage, less than 1%.

Der uber-oberst does very little in content in here except to
attempt denigration of you and I. One would think that, after
a whole heaping 41 years as an amateur,

He say's he "just did it" with respect to getting "Extra right out of
the box!"

The FCC rewarded him with a "WN" prefix. Hi, hi!

Der uber-oberst says a lot of things. He commands. Few bother
obeying. :-)

he might have
something constructive to offer on amateur radio policy...other
than holding the quo as status as he can.

Yet he doesn't. So sad.

Tsk.

The Coslonaut is busy working both sides of every aisle, but
not saying very much in any post. Spends time in the penalty
box for trying to stick others.

The newsgroup has all the PCTA in deep ennui, busy trying to
fill dead air with old morsemanship slogans, then realizing those
are so dead that it would be just necro-equine flaggelation.

Welp, if they can't have the Amateur Service that they want, they'd
just as well see it dead.

They seem to want only the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service as it
exists in their individual imaginations.

A few newbie newsgroupies have shown up, see the PCTA
extra regulars frothing worse than a latte machine, and leave for
(hopefully) a better venue. Sigh.

I remember a cordless Tech named Val Germann. Showed up here a newbie
singing the praises of Morse Code; how he was going to learn the Morse
Code and sit to the right of God. Every one of these PCTA sychophants
were fawning and frothing all over Val.

Did Val ever report back that he is now copying 20+ on the low end of
any band?

Nope. He sure suckered them, and they were so willing to be suckered.

I got the impression this "Val" was just another phony. shrug

This newsgroup isn't about radio. Or policy.

It's about domination. By the PCTA extras.

shrug



World Domination? And I'm called "Minimi!"

I don't mind being compared to a machinegun.

None of the PCTA extras are as high as your caliber, Brian. :-)

LHA / WMD

On 9 Sep 2004 19:04:03 -0700, (William) wrote:

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.

A fitting closure for this egocentric, confused, whining, alleged
(self-proclaimed) "genius" who was, by and large, the hemmeroid of
rrap, that is to say, a major pain in the ass sponsored by Intel corp.

Len Over 21 wrote:

Der uber-oberst fills in blanks with pencil smudges...

Brian, you do NOT get to decide anything with der uber-oberst's
blessing and authoritative approval.

That factum is at the top of der uber-oberst's Orders of das Day.

"Quitefine" (James p. Miccolis) didn't praise the "foreign service"
veteran's illustrious service in Guinea-Bisseau...surprising that
der uber-oberst didn't blow the straps of his jack boots at that
slight. :-)

Der uber-oberst IS the "right" person!

Everyone else makes errors. Der uber-oberst never does.

Doesn't matter. If der uber-oberst approves, that is that!

Der uber-oberst IS amateur good practice!

NOT without der uber-oberst's authoritative approval!

Der uber-oberst NEVER makes mistakes!

He is a PCTA extra.
That explains it all...

Der uber-oberst is responsible for ALL U.S. amateur radio!
[he sure acts like it...]

"Foreign Service" employees are not subject to U.S. enforcement.
They've been diplomatically immunized. :-)

Probably did...in a diplomatic pouch. :-)

Der uber-oberst will insist that BVD be contacted direct.

Der uber-oberst heartily approves of anyone - even phonies - taking
down "Enemies of the State" (in his perception).


"Ergo, all you can play is the hand with the personal denigrations
cards. You keep losing."

--Leonard H. Anderson

What can I say about your typical behavior here except to ask:
"are you having too much fun peeing in the pool?"
--Leonard H. Anderson

Dave K8MN

Subject: Pull a "Cecil?"
From: (William)
Date: 9/8/2004 6:27 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Independent thought is allowed in here, even cherished, as long
as the independency doesn't deviate from established norms of
olde-tyme hamme raddio. Their theme music might just as well
be "We all live in a brown sub-marine..." :-)



Maybe we should pull a Cecil, switch horses, and be part of the
in-crowd.

I wonder if Steve will still focus on male genitalia, homosexuality,
and pedophilia?

I certainly hope that that kind of thinking is his independent
thoughts and not a trait shared by all PCTA.

I guess your condoning of Lennie's "olde-tyme hamme" and "brown sub-marine"
comments are part of YOUR "civil discourse", Brain?

And we've already proven who the gentalia focused pedophile-prone one is
here, Brain...

And it's NOT me...

Steve. K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

What can I say about your typical behavior here except to ask:
"are you having too much fun peeing in the pool?"
--Leonard H. Anderson

Tsk. You still haven't answered any questions.

Too hard for you? :-)

How come there's a disagreement between Quitefine's numbers and
those on the www.hamdata.com site?

[the thread subject is "ARS License Numbers"]

No doubt Quitefine MUST jump in here to "defend his honor" or
whatever he thinks makes him always right... :-)

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.


********
BULL**** you lying and utterly inconseqential Putzlet!!!
********

You really do need to pop for that tome on "recovering from assholism"
and read it as many times as it takes to get it's message.

Ah...another "civil discourse" PCTA extra heard from. :-)

Kellie seems to have roared after building up more steam in his
mighty catapult!

Tsk.

So, three years ago all of four CW-using-fans made a "net" after
arranging the contact time and frequency through the newsgroup?

Wow. Great "pioneering" of the airwaves...plus awarding "best of"
ratings for the four (or was it five?).

Did the "net" all with CW to show "CW isn't dead!" :-)

Well, that just goes to show everyone that ALL newbies on HF
MUST learn CW in order to be in company with Giants of the Air!

Marvelous "reasoning." Too much seasoning. A broth of frosh oar.

:-)

In article , Gareeb
writes:

On 9 Sep 2004 19:04:03 -0700, (William) wrote:

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.

A fitting closure for this egocentric, confused, whining, alleged
(self-proclaimed) "genius" who was, by and large, the hemmeroid of
rrap, that is to say, a major pain in the ass sponsored by Intel corp.

"Gareeb" (another anonymouse) who wasn't here, wasn't there,
wasn't much of anywhere...seems to want to vent.

Poor baby.

"Gareeb" can't stand Cecil, wants to take swipes at Intel Corporation.

Why? Intel isn't any subject for AMATEUR policy discussion.

Cecil retired from Intel, his last corporate employer in a long career
of electronics industry work. Cecil has a number of patents granted
(more than the Katapult King) and is an independent thinker. Not a
whiny parody of those who wish to have CW as king and continue to
make U.S. amateur radio into the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service.

Perhaps Paul Schleck ought to take a poll and establish the Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Service "policy" newsgroup...where all the
anonymousies can go and Vent all their bilge and bile to their heart's
content?

NO independent thinking to be allowed in this new Anonymousie
Policy newsgroup! All must slavishly follow The Old Man, worship
at the Church of St. Hiram, extoll the "virtues" of CW until the last
code key is pried out of cold, dead fingers.

Okay, Paul, where be you? :-)

On 10 Sep 2004 17:35:34 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Gareeb
writes:

On 9 Sep 2004 19:04:03 -0700, (William) wrote:

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.

A fitting closure for this egocentric, confused, whining, alleged
(self-proclaimed) "genius" who was, by and large, the hemmeroid of
rrap, that is to say, a major pain in the ass sponsored by Intel corp.

"Gareeb" (another anonymouse) who wasn't here, wasn't there,
wasn't much of anywhere...seems to want to vent.

Ha ha ha , stick it where the sun don't shine you
old retired fool. I was here in 1995 which is way before you joined or
even knew about the existence of usenet (I think you first showed
your ugly face in 1997 when aol performed the ultimate insult to the
internet community by availing usenet available to its 'members', who
would otherwise have no clue as to how to get here). Cecil thought
quite highly of himself, all you had to do was ask him. Your greatest
accomplishment in life is 30 years of 1 years experience. I will say
that Cecil did have the intellect to learn code (or at least how to
pass the test), you can't even do that. Get out of my face aol'er. As
we used to say in those days, find a real ISP.

Come to think of it, it occurs to me that there may be a relationship
between aol'ers and those who can't learn code. Hmmmm....

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

What can I say about your typical behavior here except to ask:
"are you having too much fun peeing in the pool?"
--Leonard H. Anderson

Tsk. You still haven't answered any questions.

Too hard for you? :-)

Double Tsk. You still haven't passed an amateur radio exam at any
level.
Too hard for you? :-)

How come there's a disagreement between Quitefine's numbers and
those on the www.hamdata.com site?

Feel free to ask "Quitefine" or the folks at www.hamdata.com.

[the thread subject is "ARS License Numbers"]

Would you really like me to go back through google and come up with the
total number of your posts to the thread which are on topic?

No doubt Quitefine MUST jump in here to "defend his honor" or
whatever he thinks makes him always right... :-)

Are you speaking from experience, Lennie boy? :-)

Dave K8MN

On 11 Sep 2004 09:22:17 -0700, (Hans K0HB)
wrote:



Cecil is a grown boy (he's been licensed since even before Len was a
sojer), a free thinker, and not at all the type to be "dogged" into
doing something he doesn't want to by a bunch of twits on rrap.

Since you are on rrap, that would make you a twit as well?

"Gareeb" wrote

Cecil is a grown boy (he's been licensed since even before Len was a
sojer), a free thinker, and not at all the type to be "dogged" into
doing something he doesn't want to by a bunch of twits on rrap.

Since you are on rrap, that would make you a twit as well?


Yup, pretty much all of us, and especially anonymous twits like you.

Sunuvagun!

With kindest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:06:58 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:


"Gareeb" wrote

Cecil is a grown boy (he's been licensed since even before Len was a
sojer), a free thinker, and not at all the type to be "dogged" into
doing something he doesn't want to by a bunch of twits on rrap.

Since you are on rrap, that would make you a twit as well?


Yup, pretty much all of us, and especially anonymous twits like you.


Ok, so we are all twits except for your man Cecil (I would assume you
are implying that Cecil was not a twit). Is this because he could not
be dogged? Or is it because he was a grown boy (understatement of the
years based on pictures I have seen, especially in terms of abdominal
growth).

Your friend in kindness,

Gareeb

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

(William) wrote

You guys dogged the poor ******* so much that he risked his property
and his life to prove that he was Morse Worthy.

Awww, cry me a river, Brian!!!

Ah, a fan of old Marilyn Monroe pictures of the 1950s? :-)

Cecil is a grown boy (he's been licensed since even before Len was a
sojer), a free thinker, and not at all the type to be "dogged" into
doing something he doesn't want to by a bunch of twits on rrap.

Moore was licensed before 1952? Okay. Fine.

Hans became a sailor before 1952? Okay. Fine.

Tsk. "A bunch of twits on rrap!" Not a nice thing to say...specially
from someone who was on the "rrapnet." :-)

Also I'm not sure why you call him a *******. Most everyone here, on
both sides of the Morse question, respect him as a "stand up" sort of
guy who voices his views in reasoned language without resorting to
personal attacks.

Tsk. Not my take at all. "Most everyone in here" seemed absolutely
****ed that Cecil had made replies to their postings...not of the
opinion or content that they wanted to see! :-)

With the kindest of regards...in-kind...

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Cecil is off in other newsgroups. I'm sure he got sick and tired
of the PCTA regulars in here. :-)

Welp, he tried to appease them by joining in one of their CW nets, but
they still crapped on him. Then he joined them, but was so distraught
by that action he left the group.


********
BULL**** you lying and utterly inconseqential Putzlet!!!
********

You really do need to pop for that tome on "recovering from assholism"
and read it as many times as it takes to get it's message.

Ah...another "civil discourse" PCTA extra heard from. :-)

Civil discourse is RAGING throughout the news group!

Heh. All they have is RAGE. :-)

Kellie seems to have roared after building up more steam in his
mighty catapult!

Tsk.

He should put a whistle on that steam valve.

Nah. We already heard his boiler blow up some while ago.

So, three years ago all of four CW-using-fans made a "net" after
arranging the contact time and frequency through the newsgroup?

Wow. Great "pioneering" of the airwaves...plus awarding "best of"
ratings for the four (or was it five?).

Yep goading an NCI member into operating during a thunderstorm. They
learned nothing from Ben Franklin.

Ben who? What was his call? Hi hi. :-)

Did the "net" all with CW to show "CW isn't dead!" :-)

Well, that just goes to show everyone that ALL newbies on HF
MUST learn CW in order to be in company with Giants of the Air!

Marvelous "reasoning." Too much seasoning. A broth of frosh oar.

:-)



Len, go easy on them. It's all they know.

I AM being easy on them! :-)

Poor babies can't take return fire in here.

PCTA extra Double Standard has to be invoked to "justify" (rationalize)
their position.

Expect more raging nastygrams from them PCTAs. :-)

"Len Over 21" wrote

Moore was licensed before 1952? Okay. Fine.

Yup.

Hans became a sailor before 1952? Okay. Fine.

Nope. Not this Hans. http://tinyurl.com/3dnws

With kindest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

How come there's a disagreement between Quitefine's numbers and
those on the www.hamdata.com site?

Feel free to ask "Quitefine" or the folks at www.hamdata.com.

Whoever "Quitefine" may be, he/she/they haven't posted any ARS license
numbers here.

I have, for some time now.

The difference between the license totals I post and those at
"hamdata" is this:

The hamdata numbers are the entire current database, including expired
licenses in the grace period, club licenses, RACES licenses, etc.

The numbers I post are only the currently active licenses held by
individuals. No clubs, no RACES, no expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses, etc.

These facts are all explained in the posts and on the website in
question.

Both sets of numbers are "right" as long as you keep in mind what they
include.

Just clarifying the facts.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

How come there's a disagreement between Quitefine's numbers and
those on the www.hamdata.com site?

Feel free to ask "Quitefine" or the folks at www.hamdata.com.

Whoever "Quitefine" may be, he/she/they haven't posted any ARS license
numbers here.

I have, for some time now.

The difference between the license totals I post and those at
"hamdata" is this:

The hamdata numbers are the entire current database, including expired
licenses in the grace period, club licenses, RACES licenses, etc.

The numbers I post are only the currently active licenses held by
individuals. No clubs, no RACES, no expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses, etc.

These facts are all explained in the posts and on the website in
question.

Both sets of numbers are "right" as long as you keep in mind what they
include.

Just clarifying the facts.

I could have sworn that you'd explained all of that for Leonard's
benefit at least on a couple of previous occasions.

How could he have confused your postings of the license figures with
"Quitefine"?

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

How come there's a disagreement between Quitefine's numbers and
those on the www.hamdata.com site?

Feel free to ask "Quitefine" or the folks at www.hamdata.com.

Whoever "Quitefine" may be, he/she/they haven't posted any ARS license
numbers here.

I have, for some time now.

The difference between the license totals I post and those at
"hamdata" is this:

The hamdata numbers are the entire current database, including expired
licenses in the grace period, club licenses, RACES licenses, etc.

The numbers I post are only the currently active licenses held by
individuals. No clubs, no RACES, no expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses, etc.

These facts are all explained in the posts and on the website in
question.

Both sets of numbers are "right" as long as you keep in mind what they
include.

Just clarifying the facts.

I could have sworn that you'd explained all of that for Leonard's
benefit at least on a couple of previous occasions.

More than a couple. Mr. Anderson sometimes has trouble with the interpretation
of facts. For example, he still has trouble with the fact that FCC has been
renewing Tech Pluses as Techs for 4-1/2 years....

He also seems to have a lot of trouble with recalling certain past events, like
when Cecil, W6RCA/W5DXP, participated in rrap and on the air.

For the record, in chronological order:

1) Cecil held W6RCA and worked for Intel
2) He retired from Intel and moved back to Texas, in part to care for aging
relatives
3) He participated in the 7037 get-together
4) He and I ran antenna tests on 40 CW, checking his vertical against his
all-band linear-tuner dipole
4) He got his old W5DXP call back

Somewhere in that sequence, he decided that rather than dropping the code test
completely, he was satisfied with 5 wpm. He resigned his NCI membership and
decreased his rrap participation to near-zero.

Mr. Anderson has it all mixed up, as usual. Not my problem, though.

How could he have confused your postings of the license figures with
"Quitefine"?

I don't know. Ask *him*.

---

btw, thinking of departed rrap folk, it occurred to me that I probably hold the
record for most rrapper's QSO'd. Anybody beat this list?:

K8MN
W4NTI
K0HB
AC6XG
K3LT
K4YZ
W3RV
W6RCA
W0EX
WA2SI

73 de Jim, N2EY

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/11/2004 10:26 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

N2EY wrote:

Just clarifying the facts.

I could have sworn that you'd explained all of that for Leonard's
benefit at least on a couple of previous occasions.

How could he have confused your postings of the license figures with
"Quitefine"?

Being an idiot helps.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Gareeb
writes:

Come to think of it, it occurs to me that there may be a relationship
between aol'ers and those who can't learn code. Hmmmm....

Hmmmm....I use AOL, and I learned and use Morse Code.

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

Cecil is a grown boy (he's been licensed since even before Len was a
sojer), a free thinker, and not at all the type to be "dogged" into
doing something he doesn't want to by a bunch of twits on rrap.

Yep.

Also I'm not sure why you call him a *******. Most everyone here, on
both sides of the Morse question, respect him as a "stand up" sort of
guy who voices his views in reasoned language without resorting to
personal attacks.

He's the sort of person who does what he says he's going to do, which is just
another example of how "stand up" guys act. He said he'd be there on 7037, and
he was. More then once, too. He said Morse Code was his favorite fun mode, and
he demonstrated that he does indeed use it and enjoy it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

btw, thinking of departed rrap folk, it occurred to me that I probably hold the
record for most rrapper's QSO'd. Anybody beat this list?:

K8MN
W4NTI
K0HB
AC6XG
K3LT
K4YZ
W3RV
W6RCA
W0EX
WA2SI

73 de Jim, N2EY

I think you have the record. I've worked four from the list and you.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
N2EY wrote:

btw, thinking of departed rrap folk, it occurred to me that I probably
hold the
record for most rrapper's QSO'd. Anybody beat this list?:

K8MN
W4NTI
K0HB
AC6XG
K3LT
K4YZ
W3RV
W6RCA
W0EX
WA2SI

73 de Jim, N2EY

I think you have the record. I've worked four from the list and you.

Dave K8MN

Ditto, I have two from the list plus Jim. I'm certainly looking for more
tho...7037 @ 0100z anybody?

Vy 73 de Bert
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

Then On 13 Sep 2004 10:10:07 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article , Gareeb
writes:

Come to think of it, it occurs to me that there may be a relationship
between aol'ers and those who can't learn code. Hmmmm....

Hmmmm....I use AOL, and I learned and use Morse Code.


There are exceptions...I merely said there 'may' be a 'relationship'
in the statistical sense, certainly not the absolute sense. Did you
learn code only to pass the test? Can you still do 15wpm? Do you beat
your wife? See, there are many other considerations to factor in.

On 13 Sep 2004 10:10:08 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

Cecil is a grown boy (he's been licensed since even before Len was a
sojer), a free thinker, and not at all the type to be "dogged" into
doing something he doesn't want to by a bunch of twits on rrap.

Yep.

Also I'm not sure why you call him a *******. Most everyone here, on
both sides of the Morse question, respect him as a "stand up" sort of
guy who voices his views in reasoned language without resorting to
personal attacks.

He's the sort of person who does what he says he's going to do, which is just
another example of how "stand up" guys act. He said he'd be there on 7037, and
he was. More then once, too. He said Morse Code was his favorite fun mode, and
he demonstrated that he does indeed use it and enjoy it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I think Cecil was self-adulating crank but that is only my (most)
humble opinion. He certainly was not the genius he made himself out to
be but hey, no one who ever makes that claim is. No one who claims to
be in mensa ever really is. There were only two really intelligent
people in this group, both of whom were anti-code and whom I utterly
detested: Todd Little and Gary (you make 'em we break 'em) Coleman.

Is there a way to tell what class has the most vanity call signs? If I
had to bet, I would say the Tech, I wonder if they just want people to
think they have been hams a long time? I do understand a few have calls
that were their fathers, elmers, mothers, ect. Some even have calls that
are their initials, most of those start k7*** not N7*** , but most I
have asked and they say just cause?

N2EY wrote:
These are the number of unexpired FCC ARS
licenses held by individuals on the dates listed:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329
Technician - 205,394
Technician Plus - 128,860
General - 112,677
Advanced - 99,782
Extra - 78,750

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254

Total all classes - 674,792

As of September 4, 2004:

Novice - 30,510 (decrease of 18,819)
Technician - 263,752 (increase of 58,358)
Technician Plus - 57,119 (decrease of 71,741)
General - 139,064 (increase of 26,387)
Advanced - 78,968 (decrease of 20,814)
Extra - 105,739 (increase of 26,989)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 320,871 (decrease of 13,383)

Total all classes - 675,152 (increase of 360)

73 de Jim, N2EY

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:10:14 GMT, Gareeb wrote:

On 13 Sep 2004 10:10:08 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

Cecil is a grown boy (he's been licensed since even before Len was a
sojer), a free thinker, and not at all the type to be "dogged" into
doing something he doesn't want to by a bunch of twits on rrap.

Yep.

Also I'm not sure why you call him a *******. Most everyone here, on
both sides of the Morse question, respect him as a "stand up" sort of
guy who voices his views in reasoned language without resorting to
personal attacks.

He's the sort of person who does what he says he's going to do, which is just
another example of how "stand up" guys act. He said he'd be there on 7037, and
he was. More then once, too. He said Morse Code was his favorite fun mode, and
he demonstrated that he does indeed use it and enjoy it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I think Cecil was self-adulating crank but that is only my (most)
humble opinion. He certainly was not the genius he made himself out to
be but hey, no one who ever makes that claim is. No one who claims to
be in mensa ever really is. There were only two really intelligent
people in this group, both of whom were anti-code and whom I utterly
detested: Todd Little and Gary (you make 'em we break 'em) Coleman.

I mean, Coffman. Gary Coffman. A true intellectual smartass.

Gareeb wrote:

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:10:14 GMT, Gareeb wrote:

I think Cecil was self-adulating crank but that is only my (most)
humble opinion. He certainly was not the genius he made himself out to
be but hey, no one who ever makes that claim is. No one who claims to
be in mensa ever really is. There were only two really intelligent
people in this group, both of whom were anti-code and whom I utterly
detested: Todd Little and Gary (you make 'em we break 'em) Coleman.

I mean, Coffman. Gary Coffman. A true intellectual smartass.

I thought you did pretty well the first time around, though I never
thought of any of those you mentioned as being gifted.

Dave K8MN

In article , Gareeb
writes:

Then On 13 Sep 2004 10:10:07 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article , Gareeb
writes:

Come to think of it, it occurs to me that there may be a relationship
between aol'ers and those who can't learn code. Hmmmm....

Hmmmm....I use AOL, and I learned and use Morse Code.

There are exceptions...

Yep, I'm one of 'em. There are lots more.

I merely said there 'may' be a 'relationship'
in the statistical sense, certainly not the absolute sense.

Of course.

Did you
learn code only to pass the test?

At first. I became a ham 37 years ago in large part because I wanted to join
the folks on 75 AM. But once I was exposed to the code and used it on the air,
I found I liked it, and just kept on using it. Wound up passing all six code
tests (5/13/20 wpm, sending and receiving).

Can you still do 15wpm?

Oh yes. More than double that, in fact. Also much less. 5-40 wpm or
thereabouts, what ever the situation calls for.

Do you beat
your wife?

I haven't mentioned marital status here. Not relevant. But I don't beat anyone.


See, there are many other considerations to factor in.

Such as?

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , whoever whoever@wherever
writes:

Is there a way to tell what class has the most vanity call signs?

Yes, but it's not easy.

The license database information includes various letter codes - you can see
them in QRZ.com. For example, "HVAE". I don't recall all of the codes but one
of them indicates whether the call was issued under the 'modern' vanity call
program.

So all you need do is download the entire database, filter through the info for
license class and vanity, and there you are.

If I
had to bet, I would say the Tech, I wonder if they just want people to
think they have been hams a long time?

I'd say it has more to do with not wanting a six-character callsign. They can
be long and unwieldy. I had six-character callsigns for the first 10 years I
was a ham, and a shorter call has definite advantages. But my callsign was not
issued under the modern vanity program.

I do understand a few have calls
that were their fathers, elmers, mothers, ect. Some even have calls that
are their initials, most of those start k7*** not N7*** , but most I
have asked and they say just cause?

Why not?

If you don't like the callsign blocks available to the various license classes,
you can petition FCC to change them.

73 de Jim, N2EY

(sequentially issued 1977)