"Vshah101" wrote in message
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From Larry, K3LT

I regret to inform you that "Restructuring" the US Amateur Radio
Service's
licensing system, to reduce the code testing speed to 5 WPM for General
and Extra class, in addition to the existing No-Code Technician-class
license, has resulted in a whopping 1.79 percent growth rate in the ARS
overall! What do you suppose we're gonna get from No-Code HF? Maybe
2 percent?

The base of EEs can be expanded. You can get more EE from the rf
specialty.
Not all EEs have an interest in that specialty. But, from those that do,
amateur radio could be a good hobby.

Amateur radio is not an EE friendly hobby. Those that like to build
circuits
are not welcomed as those that want to learn Morse code, contest, or work
DX.
EEs that are put off by Hams don't join the hobby.


You keep putting out this misinformation. I know of no one who has not been
welcomed into ham radio. Everyone is welcom. As far as building circuits,
again everyone is welcome. When someone in our club mentions that they are
building something, others ask about the progress of the project and help if
needed.

As, I have noted before, the quality of rf courses could be improved with
ARRL
publications. The projects have real, rather than just textbook
applications.
This is not being currently done in most colleges.

Secondly, EEs are not joining amateur radio clubs. Some Profs that teach
rf
courses that I took do not have amateur radio licenses. People in the rf
field
are not attending club meetings.


It is not the business of a university or college to promote ham radio. The
university will have no higher percentage of hams than the general
population. Unless one is or wants to become a ham, there is no need for
someone to attend ham club meetings. There is no requirement that EE
professors be hams or need for them to be so.

The ARRL should make more efforts in this area. This would increase the
number
of people in the hobby. Also, there is a strong connection between EE and
amateur radio that is not being realized.

As with any organization, the ARRL has limited resources. They must pick
and choose where to apply those resources. Recruiting new hams is something
that can be done easily and cheaply by individual hams via word of mouth if
they choose. It would be much more costly for the ARRL to try to do that
recruiting as they would need to purchase advertising on TV, radio, and in
the magazines and send recruiters out on lecture circuits to schools of all
levels. They just can't do it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article , Dwight Stewart
writes:

If those with your views continue to deride modern Ham Radio, perhaps even
less then 2 percent. Those changes are part of Ham Radio today. If you
belittle those changes, you belittle today's Ham Radio.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

Dwight:

Belittling ham radio? Moi??? Hmmm, you may have a point there. Now
that ham radio licensing requirements in the U.S. have been reduced to
insignificance, and are about to be made a whole lot less significant when
code testing is abolished, I guess one could make the point that there is
a lot "belittleable" about ham radio these days! We are about to start
the first "generation" of hams who have never been bothered to learn the
Morse code, and will never know the benefits and advantages of the
Morse/CW mode from personal operational experience. Now THERE's
a perfect example of something that would inspire one to "belittle"
ham radio, indeed!

73 de Larry, K3LT

"WA3IYC" wrote:

That 52,990 "increase" is not all new license
issues. (snip)

(snip) How "code proficient" any amateur is
cannot be determined from license class alone.


Of course, Jim. I clearly stated my numbers were a "rough estimate."


The important point is that the number of US hams
is growing at a slow rate. Restructuring did not
result in a big change in growth. (snip)


True. However, to make something out of that, one has to eliminate all
factors outside restructuring. In my last message, I hinted at factors such
as the attitude of current operators towards those new to ham radio. Today's
new operator faces more ridicule and harassment than perhaps any new
operator in the history of this activity. And lets face it, that new
operator is not likely going to invite friends or family members to join
after an negative exchange with Larry in this newsgroup (or someone like him
here or elsewhere). Clearly, the attitude of current operators has a role to
play in the lackluster growth of ham radio today, perhaps even far more than
restructuring at this point.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

Belittling ham radio? Moi??? Hmmm, you may have
a point there. Now that ham radio licensing
requirements in the U.S. have been reduced to
insignificance, and are about to be made a whole
lot less significant when code testing is
abolished, I guess one could make the point that
there is a lot "belittleable" about ham radio
these days! We are about to start the first
"generation" of hams who have never been bothered
to learn the Morse code, and will never know the
benefits and advantages of the Morse/CW mode from
personal operational experience. Now THERE's a
perfect example of something that would inspire
one to "belittle" ham radio, indeed!


Well, if you don't like ham radio today, perhaps you should find another
hobby. Only a masochist would continue doing something that makes him or her
miserable. Ham radio is moving in a direction opposite from what you seem to
want and is not likely to move in the direction you want anytime soon. When
that happens, you either learn to live with it, walk away, or continue to be
miserable. If you choose the later, it is rather sleazy of you to take your
misery out on the new members of this activity. They didn't ask for your
negative garbage (none of us did), and this activity certainly would be far
better off without it.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Wrong..... All the arrl needs to do is create the PSA's and distribute them
to the various radio and/or television stations.
Commercial radio and television stations are REQUIRED to air a certain
amount of PSA announcements per day and being a non-profit, allegedly
service-based organization, that would definitely fit the bill. The only
cost involved is the creation of the tapes, and the distribution thereof.



As with any organization, the ARRL has limited resources. They must pick
and choose where to apply those resources. Recruiting new hams is
something
that can be done easily and cheaply by individual hams via word of mouth
if
they choose.

Aparently that has not worked like it should...... If the word of mouth
thing really worked, we have better numbers to have N2EY to post each month!
After all, how many times can we hit up our friends and relatives??


It would be much more costly for the ARRL to try to do that
recruiting as they would need to purchase advertising on TV, radio, and in
the magazines and send recruiters out on lecture circuits to schools of
all
levels. They just can't do it.

As far as sending out "recruiters," where the hell is this all-fired
important field organization?? Apparently there is a decent enough amount
of people that could direct people/groups to work on presentations! I
worked out a wonderful Powerpoint presentation to take to the schools and
tried and tried to get at least ONE person to assist me in going to the
30-40 schools just in my county alone! Not one person would help. I don't
have a ton of stuff along the lines of equipment to "impress upon" some of
these students so I wanted to enlist the help of others. My goal was to
attract ONE person from each school (not a huge effort) each year with this
plan. What really boiled my ass in all of this, was that to get information
regarding the ARRL (their brochures) was going to cost me a bunch of cash.
What the hell do these people pay dues for? Apparently the ARRL does not
have to justify where the money goes, although they allege to spend it in
the defense of amateur radio. I have asked in the past (as a possible
condition of choosing to be a member or not) as to where in DC the money
goes, and so far, still have not heard anything. Still have yet to see
proof that the ARRL is nothing more than an expensive subscription to a
magazine. (I do however think QST is a decent magazine, not the best, but
pretty good.)


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Ryan, KC8PMX
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Probably a little growth initially, but it will flatten back out to where it
is now is my guess Jim.



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Ryan, KC8PMX
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there
would instead be a 7.85 percent decrease in overall numbers. Of course,
that's a rough estimate - as rough as the numbers used in your argument.

The important point is that the number of US hams is growing at a slow
rate.
Restructuring did not result in a big change in growth. If Element 1 is
dropped, it will be interesting to see if there is any significant
increase in
growth.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In addition to my other response to this particular message is, "A good
defense is a good offense." This can be read into as if something is
promoted more in a positive light, to educate the public, then less effort
is needed to defend it.



--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Vshah101" wrote in message
...
From Larry, K3LT

I regret to inform you that "Restructuring" the US Amateur Radio
Service's
licensing system, to reduce the code testing speed to 5 WPM for General
and Extra class, in addition to the existing No-Code Technician-class
license, has resulted in a whopping 1.79 percent growth rate in the ARS
overall! What do you suppose we're gonna get from No-Code HF? Maybe
2 percent?

The base of EEs can be expanded. You can get more EE from the rf
specialty.
Not all EEs have an interest in that specialty. But, from those that do,
amateur radio could be a good hobby.

Amateur radio is not an EE friendly hobby. Those that like to build
circuits
are not welcomed as those that want to learn Morse code, contest, or
work
DX.
EEs that are put off by Hams don't join the hobby.


You keep putting out this misinformation. I know of no one who has not
been
welcomed into ham radio. Everyone is welcom. As far as building
circuits,
again everyone is welcome. When someone in our club mentions that they
are
building something, others ask about the progress of the project and help
if
needed.

As, I have noted before, the quality of rf courses could be improved
with
ARRL
publications. The projects have real, rather than just textbook
applications.
This is not being currently done in most colleges.

Secondly, EEs are not joining amateur radio clubs. Some Profs that teach
rf
courses that I took do not have amateur radio licenses. People in the rf
field
are not attending club meetings.


It is not the business of a university or college to promote ham radio.
The
university will have no higher percentage of hams than the general
population. Unless one is or wants to become a ham, there is no need for
someone to attend ham club meetings. There is no requirement that EE
professors be hams or need for them to be so.

The ARRL should make more efforts in this area. This would increase the
number
of people in the hobby. Also, there is a strong connection between EE
and
amateur radio that is not being realized.

As with any organization, the ARRL has limited resources. They must pick
and choose where to apply those resources. Recruiting new hams is
something
that can be done easily and cheaply by individual hams via word of mouth
if
they choose. It would be much more costly for the ARRL to try to do that
recruiting as they would need to purchase advertising on TV, radio, and in
the magazines and send recruiters out on lecture circuits to schools of
all
levels. They just can't do it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE